The biggest Constitutional decisionin our history???

[Daddy Needs Mils]

If The Supreme Court Decides...?


At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."

Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200811072518/editorial/america-the-beautiful.html


:movie: What will he do?????? Provide proof, or lose the presidency- elect?

[Ridewithme38]

I don't see why you guys seem to think Burg has a case at all...Hawaii confirmed already...even if he wasn't born there(Everyone knows he was) You think it would be hard for a PRESIDENT Elect to get a legitamite enough birth certificate from ANY state he wants??

He's the president of the United States of America...Even if he wasn't born in Hawaii there'd be no way to prove it!

[Daddy Needs Mils]

As documented by Diane Alden for Newsmax.com (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/13/194350.shtml):

During the Civil War, Republicans planned the most significant amendments ever to our Constitution and enacted - despite fierce opposition from the Democrats - the 13th Amendment to ban slavery, the 14th Amendment to protect all Americans regardless of the color of their skin, and the 15th Amendment to extend voting rights to African-Americans.



"Every man that wanted the privilege of whipping another man to make him work for nothing, and pay him with lashes on his naked back, was a Democrat.Every man that raised bloodhounds to pursue human beings was a Democrat.Every man that cursed Abraham Lincoln because he issued the Emancipation Proclamation was a Democrat,"wrote Robert Ingersoll in 1876.



For its first 80 years, the Republican Party was the only one to provide a home for African-Americans.Until well into the 20th century, every African-American member of Congress was a Republican. The same was true for nearly all state legislators and other elected officials.



In 1888, Republican Senator Aaron Sargent introduced the "Susan B. Anthony" Amendment to the Constitution, according women of all races the right to vote.Strong Democrat opposition to what would become the 19th Amendment delayed ratification until 1920.
But that's ancient history, you say. Okay, how about the 20th century?

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of their votes, while the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. See here (http://www.congresslink.org/civil/essay.html)and here (http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1982/3/82.03.04.x.html).



When President John F. Kennedy was a senator from Massachusetts, he could have voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Act pushed by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson, but he didn't. This Act only passed with the help of Republicans. After JFK was elected president, he failed to suggest any new civil rights proposals in 1961 or 1962.



In 1963, Kennedy decided to act on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but faced a filibuster by southern Democrats. Republicans favored the bill, which would have failed without their votes.



Hubert Humphrey, a member of Congress when Democrats held both houses of Congress, admitted that, "without the leadership and help of Republicans," legislative efforts "would have been watered down or failed because of obstinate Democrats - i.e., the Dixiecrats."



The fact that Democrats are quick to take credit for the Civil Rights Act and for the civil rights movement itself is both phony and a self-absorbed vanity," Alden says.



The Republican Leader in the Senate, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), wrote the 1960 Civil Rights Act, and was the person most responsible for defeating the Democrat filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed the House of Representatives with 80% Republican support but only 61% of Democrats.



In the Senate, 82% of Republicans supported the bill compared to 69% of Democrats.



Similarly, the 1965 Voting Rights Act was supported in Congress by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats.Democrats vigorously opposed Republican efforts to protect the civil rights of African-Americans, from Reconstruction until well into the 20th century. In much of the country, racist Democrats virtually destroyed the Republican Party, which did not become a force in those areas until President Reagan's message of freedom and equality prevailed in the 1980s.Today, the Republican Party continues its historical commitment to civil rights at home and around the world.



In 2004, [America celebrated] the 150th anniversary of the GOP as well as the 50th anniversaryof Brown v. Board of Education - a watershed of the modern-day civil rights movement.In May 1954, former Republican Governor and GOP vice presidential candidate Earl Warren, appointed Chief Justice by Republican President Eisenhower, wrote this landmark decision declaring that "separate but equal" is inherently unconstitutional.To help enforce this principle, the Eisenhower administration drafted the 1957 Civil Rights Act and guided it to passage over a Democrat filibuster.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

EDUCATION- A WONDERFUL TOOL---IF USED

The Four S's


In Why Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican, (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500)FrancesRice, Chairman of the National Black Republican Association, tells us that, "in that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism." Rice continues:

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.



The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks.



The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.
Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#). Not mentioned is the fact that it was President Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

President Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican.
President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#) Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.



In 1968, after riots broke out in Tennessee where a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.



Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.

It was Republicans who founded the historically Black Colleges and Universities.
Critics of Republican Senator Barry Goldwater who ran for president against Democrat President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Goldwater wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation.

President Johnson, in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address delivered on January 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights.Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's protest against the Viet Nam War, President Johnson referred to Dr. King as "that Nigger preacher."



Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Democrat Senator Robert Byrd who is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.



Republican Senator Strom Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Senator Byrd and Senator Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched.
"Today," Rice says, "Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats." In 2004, they blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Bill Clinton before he finally signed it. They are opposed to school-choice opportunity scholarships (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#) that would help black children get out of failing schools, and they blocked Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 years for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites).

"Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30-40 years," Rice adds, "and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. Over $7 trillion dollars has been spent on poverty programs...with little, if any, impact on poverty."
These are facts - you know those pesky little things that liberals abhor. But in spite of the Democrats' historical racism, their abominable record in serving the needs of the black community, and their obvious inability to handle our economy, there's a new Democrat in town, once again promising the moon.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I don't see why you guys seem to think Burg has a case at all...Hawaii confirmed already...even if he wasn't born there(Everyone knows he was) You think it would be hard for a PRESIDENT Elect to get a legitamite enough birth certificate from ANY state he wants??

He's the president of the United States of America...Even if he wasn't born in Hawaii there'd be no way to prove it!

No, he's the president elect, not a sworn in President of the United States of America!

He has so far snubbed his nose at doing just that. A fake internet copy is all that has been produced. The Governor of Hawaii has been outspoken for Obama, and the "appearance of impropriety is there for the WORLD to see.

Hawaii can confirm all they want, but if the US Supreme Court demands it, then it will have to finally be proven.

My guess, if he snubs the Supreme Court, the Guardians of the Constitution, he will be ruled invalid, then the accusations of stealing the election will come.

If it is proven that he does not qualify to be President, it will be due to the DNC and Obama himself who would be responsible for the theft, not the Republicans, not the Supreme Court. This was also brought to court by a Democrat as well.

And to think, this could have all been avoided by producing the BC like McCain did, at the first mention.

[Wolverine]

I don't see why you guys seem to think Burg has a case at all...Hawaii confirmed already...even if he wasn't born there(Everyone knows he was) You think it would be hard for a PRESIDENT Elect to get a legitamite enough birth certificate from ANY state he wants??

He's the president of the United States of America...Even if he wasn't born in Hawaii there'd be no way to prove it!

Hawaiian birth doesn't resolve anything, according to his own autobiographical book, his time at school in Indonesia as a child would make him a naturalized citizen, at best. Screw Hawaii, what's his INS status ???
:wave:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Hawaiian birth doesn't resolve anything, according to his own autobiographical book, his time at school in Indonesia as a child would make him a naturalized citizen, at best. Screw Hawaii, what's his INS status ???
:wave:

Ouch, that could be ugly, couldn't it?

[Ridewithme38]

Thats IF he renounced his american citizenship...which i'm not entirely sure he did...Just because Indonesia wouldn't allow you to be a dual citizen doesn't mean America wouldn't....He would have had to FORMALLY Renounce his citizenship..not as easy as most people here seem to think...its not just a matter of being adopted...if he was...it goes much much deeper then that...theres paper work,meetings, lawyers, apointments at the us embassy....

[GypsyRose]

He will take a plane to San Diego, a train to Tiajuana and a bus to Juan's the Birth Certificate Makers shop, where Juan with construct the needed document - case solved, document furnished

[GypsyRose]

Thats IF he renounced his american citizenship...which i'm not entirely sure he did...Just because Indonesia wouldn't allow you to be a dual citizen doesn't mean America wouldn't....He would have had to FORMALLY Renounce his citizenship..not as easy as most people here seem to think...its not just a matter of being adopted...if he was...it goes much much deeper then that...theres paper work,meetings, lawyers, apointments at the us embassy....

As a minor Ride, that would have been done for him by his parents. So there is an INS issue which also needs to be attended to. But I look for his 'friends' to keep him clean in all of this - they have deep pockets and friends in not so nice places.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Thats IF he renounced his american citizenship...which i'm not entirely sure he did...Just because Indonesia wouldn't allow you to be a dual citizen doesn't mean America wouldn't....He would have had to FORMALLY Renounce his citizenship..not as easy as most people here seem to think...its not just a matter of being adopted...if he was...it goes much much deeper then that...theres paper work,meetings, lawyers, apointments at the us embassy....

There is also another partial solution.

If he wished to retain his US citizenship, then he should have a Declaration of Oath to the US, FILED SOMEWHERE.

Either way, there are even more issues.

That fact that he travelled under an Indonesian passport at the time he did, would suggest that he wa still an Indonesian citizen because Indonesia did not allow for duals until 2007.

Some friends or relatives said he stated that he got tuition assistance based on being a foreign citizen.

I think that there have been a number of reasons for his secrecy with his identity.

Again, merely open the files and dispell the rumors and inuendos, and it alls goes away.

If he is legit, he is our next president. If he's not......well, there is the Constitution that he is supposed to be an expert on, and his whole campaign was a fraud, bilking hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters. The restitution for that might take him a month or two to pay back.

[Ridewithme38]

Do you know what would happen in america if our first black president would be thrown out of office for not being a citizen...thrown out of office for anything??

I hope they don't find anything out about him that would get him thrown out of office...just for america's sake...

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Do you know what would happen in america if our first black president would be thrown out of office for not being a citizen...thrown out of office for anything??

I hope they don't find anything out about him that would get him thrown out of office...just for america's sake...

I understand what you are saying. It will be very ugly.

But the question is, Who's fault will it be if he is thrown out?

His? The DNC's? The Democrat, Berg that launched this? The MSM for burring this so that it becomes a big surprise to most of Americana?

If he's not legit, are we supposed to forget about the Constitution of The United States?

Who would you LEGITIMATELY blame?

[texanchic0]

:clapping: just a gut feeling since tuesday night.....this is NOT over! :sun:

[Wolverine]

Do you know what would happen in america if our first black president would be thrown out of office for not being a citizen...thrown out of office for anything??

I hope they don't find anything out about him that would get him thrown out of office...just for america's sake...

I don't doubt, based on the facts presented to date, that a case could still be made to remove him from office, but I don't believe that removal from office will be the eventual outcome, right or wrong,we will have a last minute retroactive constitutional amendment before that ever happens.................

[moses]

I belive thats half black

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I don't doubt, based on the facts presented to date, that a case could still be made to remove him from office, but I don't believe that removal from office will be the eventual outcome, right or wrong,we will have a last minute retroactive constitutional amendment before that ever happens.................

If that happens, there is no longer any need for the Constitution. If it can be changed that fast, with such wreckless abandon, it would render it completely useless.

Welcome anarchy!

[tmorr37]

EDUCATION- A WONDERFUL TOOL---IF USED

America's Founders and Slavery
Some people suggest today that all early Americans must have been despicable to allow such an evil as slavery. They say early America should be judged as evil and sinful, and anything they have to say should be discounted. But if we were to judge modern America by this same standard, it would be far more wicked - we are not merely enslaving people, but we are murdering tens of millions of innocent unborn children through abortion. These people claim that they would not have allowed slavery if they were alive then. They would speak out and take any measures necessary. But where is their outcry and action to end slavery in the Sudan today? (And slavery there is much worse than that in early America.)
Some say we should not listen to the Founders of America because they owned slaves, or at least allowed slavery to exist in the society. However, if we were to cut ourselves off from the history of nations that had slavery in the past we would have to have nothing to do with any people because almost every society has had slavery, including African Americans, for many African societies sold slaves to the Europeans; and up to ten percent of blacks in America owned slaves.

[Wolverine]

If that happens, there is no longer any need for the Constitution. If it can be changed that fast, with such wreckless abandon, it would render it completely useless.

Welcome anarchy!

If he, in fact , just got elected president on grandfathered naturalized residency credentials..........ANARCHY is here !!!!

[tmorr37]

The Founders Believed Slavery Was Fundamentally Wrong.
The overwhelming majority of early Americans and most of America's leaders did not own slaves. Some did own slaves, which were often inherited (like George Washington at age eleven), but many of these people set them free after independence. Most Founders believed that slavery was wrong and that it should be abolished. William Livingston, signer of the Constitution and Governor of New Jersey, wrote to an anti-slavery society in New York (John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the Continental Congress, was President of this society): I would most ardently wish to become a member of it [the anti-slavery society] and . . . I can safely promise them that neither my tongue, nor my pen, nor purse shall be wanting to promote the abolition of what to me appears so inconsistent with humanity and Christianity. . . . May the great and the equal Father of the human race, who has expressly declared His abhorrence of oppression, and that He is no respecter of persons, succeed a design so laudably calculated to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke. 11 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN11)
John Quincy Adams, who worked tirelessly for years to end slavery, spoke of the anti-slavery views of the southern Founders, including Jefferson who owned slaves: The inconsistency of the institution of domestic slavery with the principles of the Declaration of Independence was seen and lamented by all the southern patriots of the Revolution; by no one with deeper and more unalterable conviction than by the author of the Declaration himself. No charge of insincerity or hypocrisy can be fairly laid to their charge. Never from their lips was heard one syllable of attempt to justify the institution of slavery. They universally considered it as a reproach fastened upon them by the unnatural step-mother country and they saw that before the principles of the Declaration of Independence, slavery, in common with every other mode of oppression, was destined sooner or later to be banished from the earth. Such was the undoubting conviction of Jefferson to his dying day. In the Memoir of His Life, written at the age of seventy-seven, he gave to his countrymen the solemn and emphatic warning that the day was not distant when they must hear and adopt the general emancipation of their slaves. “Nothing is more certainly written,” said he, “in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free.” 12 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN12)
The Founding Fathers believed that blacks had the same God-given inalienable rights as any other peoples. James Otis of Massachusetts said in 1764 that “The colonists are by the law of nature freeborn, as indeed all men are, white or black.” 13 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN13)
There had always been free blacks in America who owned property, voted, and had the same rights as other citizens. 14 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN14) Most of the men who gave us the Declaration and the Constitution wanted to see slavery abolished. For example, George Washington wrote in a letter to Robert Morris: I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery]. 15 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN15)
Charles Carroll, Signer of Declaration from Maryland, wrote: Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil. 16 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN16)
Benjamin Rush, Signer from Pennsylvania, stated: Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men. 17 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN17)
Father of American education, and contributor to the ideas in the Constitution, Noah Webster wrote: Justice and humanity require it [the end of slavery] - Christianity commands it. Let every benevolent . . . pray for the glorious period when the last slave who fights for freedom shall be restored to the possession of that inestimable right. 18 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN18)
Quotes from John Adams reveal his strong anti-slavery views: Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. . . . I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in . . . abhorrence. 19 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN19)
My opinion against it [slavery] has always been known. . . . [N]ever in my life did I own a slave. 20 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN20)
When Benjamin Franklin served as President of the Pennsylvania Society of Promoting the Abolition of Slavery he declared: “Slavery is . . . an atrocious debasement of human nature.” 21 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN21)
Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the Declaration included a strong denunciation of slavery, declaring the king's perpetuation of the slave trade and his vetoing of colonial anti-slavery measures as one reason the colonists were declaring their independence: He [King George III] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere. . . . Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. 22 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN22)
Prior to independence, anti-slavery measures by the colonists were thwarted by the British government. Franklin wrote in 1773: A disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed.. 23 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN23)

The Founders took action against slavery.
The founders did not just believe slavery was an evil that needed to be abolished, and they did not just speak against it, but they acted on their beliefs. During the Revolutionary War black slaves who fought won their freedom in every state except South Carolina and Georgia. 24 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120#FN24)


More can be Found here
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=120

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Please read the whole article. Very good read on the issue of the Constitution.

While I do remain deeply troubled by the media's fawning and intentional malicious intervention in this election outcome, it is what it is. Polls showed that most voters recognized the media bias intellectually; however, the misinformation also appears to have been effective. It is what it is; and I do believe, people who were truly interested in finding reasonably reliable information about Sen. Obama could find sufficient amounts to make a somewhat informed decision about him. For those who have been suffering under BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome), no amount of information would have had any effect whatsoever. Again, it is what it is.

http://www.faxts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=563:its-after-the-election-should-we-let-sleeping-dogs-lie&catid=68:usa-news

[TerryTate]

I guess we will find out, as the U.S. Supreme Court has demanded proof of authenticity.

It will probably be supplied, but man that would be something if after all this time it was shown he wasn't a U.S. citizen.

I think the country might just implode if it were true.

[tmorr37]

I guess we will find out, as the U.S. Supreme Court has demanded proof of authenticity.

It will probably be supplied, but man that would be something if after all this time it was shown he wasn't a U.S. citizen.

I think the country might just implode if it were true.

I think if it were true it would soon get a pass and forgotten
Everything else got a pass why not this

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I guess we will find out, as the U.S. Supreme Court has demanded proof of authenticity.

It will probably be supplied, but man that would be something if after all this time it was shown he wasn't a U.S. citizen.

I think the country might just implode if it were true.

The new World order will be......

Load and UNlock!

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I think if it were true it would soon get a pass and forgotten
Everything else got a pass why not this

I guess that makes you a passamist?

[tmorr37]

I guess that makes you a passamist?

I feel more like a one man show living in the twilight zone

*look at the freak conservative*

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I feel more like a one man show living in the twilight zone

*look at the freak conservative*

Living on the left coast all of my life, I've learned to smile at them like I'm in a zoo cage.
YouTube - 1MONKEYC

Nightmares of hanging chads again?

The least you could have done was take those older folks in and "read" their ballots to them, and help them mark them properly.

[Bart]

EDUCATION- A WONDERFUL TOOL---IF USED


I agree. but one has to go way back to original documents and/or very old history scholars to get the real truth about the Dem party and slavery. Our current public fool system hides the real truth.

This fits very good with your post. originally posted here a while back by PKG.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295


As for the Berg case, I really would like America to find out the truth about Obama, but as mentioned earlier, it is unknown what would happen if he got booted before he started.

I see it as a lose lose situation either way.
If he is legit, we get socialism and a weaker America.
If he gets the boot, we may have another civil war and open the door to our enemies taking advantage while we are distracted with killing each other.


JMO
Bart

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I agree. but one has to go way back to original documents and/or very old history scholars to get the real truth about the Dem party and slavery. Our current public fool system hides the real truth.

This fits very good with your post. originally posted here a while back by PKG.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295


As for the Berg case, I really would like America to find out the truth about Obama, but as mentioned earlier, it is unknown what would happen if he got booted before he started.

I see it as a lose lose situation either way.
If he is legit, we get socialism and a weaker America.
If he gets the boot, we may have another civil war and open the door to our enemies taking advantage while we are distracted with killing each other.


JMO
Bart

Now for the $64 question. (fill in the blank)

"If things get really ugly, I will side with _ _ _ _ _ ?

[TerryTate]

I agree. but one has to go way back to original documents and/or very old history scholars to get the real truth about the Dem party and slavery. Our current public fool system hides the real truth.

This fits very good with your post. originally posted here a while back by PKG.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295


As for the Berg case, I really would like America to find out the truth about Obama, but as mentioned earlier, it is unknown what would happen if he got booted before he started.

I see it as a lose lose situation either way.
If he is legit, we get socialism and a weaker America.
If he gets the boot, we may have another civil war and open the door to our enemies taking advantage while we are distracted with killing each other.


JMO
Bart

Gee, I guess I'm glad I bought those guns and am stocking up on all of that expensive ammo.....

Right Reitman?

:yelrotflmao:

[urbanwhitebear]

Phil Berg can be listen to tonight here----actually right nowhttp://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/livejava.php

Andy.....case in Hawaii was on last night...should be able to be found in archives....was a good listen.....he's going all the way.....even if it takes 2 years

[dldnl]

I understand what you are saying. It will be very ugly.

But the question is, Who's fault will it be if he is thrown out?

His? The DNC's? The Democrat, Berg that launched this? The MSM for burring this so that it becomes a big surprise to most of Americana?

If he's not legit, are we supposed to forget about the Constitution of The United States?

Who would you LEGITIMATELY blame?

I think it would be Obama himsel as he knew he was not legitament and then goes down the line from there...

[arh777]

A Mombasa Mosque Imam agrees to release Barack Obama’s documents of birth

Posted by africanpress on November 7, 2008

We have stated earlier that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

A confirmation to the effect will now be forthcoming. A Mombasa Mosque Imam has decided to release documents of birth that will indicate Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, given his middle name on the day he was born and blessed by the Imam of the day.”

All other documents pertaining to his registration of birth in Kenya have been sealed and categorised confidential.

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/a-mombasa-mosque-imam-agrees-to-release-barack-obamas-documents-of-birth/

[arh777]

Announcement: The airing of Michelle Obama tape


I have discussed this matter at length with our counsel.

To protect our professional reputation and our legal recourses against FOX NEWS and others, he advised us to air the tapes in their entirety, as this is a proper exercise of our and your freedom of speech, of thought and of press.

The dates an dplace to air the tape is now getting thorough attention as we go to press.————–

It’s Not Over Yet.
Obama Is NOT President-Elect Until The Electoral College’s Meeting Of Electors Takes Place And Casts Their Votes on December 15, 2008, And Ratified By A Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2009.
U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter Has Ordered Obama To Respond To Berg’s Lawsuit By December 1. (Source: Marchreport)
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/announcement-the-airing-of-michelle-obama-tape/

[williambedloe]

EDUCATION- A WONDERFUL TOOL---IF USED

The Four S's



In Why Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican, (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500)FrancesRice, Chairman of the National Black Republican Association, tells us that, "in that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism." Rice continues:

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.


The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks.


The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools.
Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#). Not mentioned is the fact that it was President Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

President Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican.
President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#) Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.


In 1968, after riots broke out in Tennessee where a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.


Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.

It was Republicans who founded the historically Black Colleges and Universities.
Critics of Republican Senator Barry Goldwater who ran for president against Democrat President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Goldwater wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation.

President Johnson, in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address delivered on January 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights.Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's protest against the Viet Nam War, President Johnson referred to Dr. King as "that Nigger preacher."


Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Democrat Senator Robert Byrd who is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.


Republican Senator Strom Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Senator Byrd and Senator Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched.
"Today," Rice says, "Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats." In 2004, they blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Bill Clinton before he finally signed it. They are opposed to school-choice opportunity scholarships (http://www.rightsidenews.com/#) that would help black children get out of failing schools, and they blocked Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 years for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites).

"Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30-40 years," Rice adds, "and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. Over $7 trillion dollars has been spent on poverty programs...with little, if any, impact on poverty."
These are facts - you know those pesky little things that liberals abhor. But in spite of the Democrats' historical racism, their abominable record in serving the needs of the black community, and their obvious inability to handle our economy, there's a new Democrat in town, once again promising the moon.


Brilliant post - I wish blacks would wake up and join us...come on brothers and sisters!!! Shake off those dem cobwebs and come on over to our side! The lib plantation leads to slavery and death....

[Wolverine]

......this president should have come with free popcorn !!! He keeps you glued , what will happen next ?
Hopefully he brings back government cheese & peanut butter, talk about good stuff !!!
:wave:

[Dale]

Every one better hope that he Is a U.S. citizen, If he Is not and Is denied the Office he won this country will split In half. IMO there will be a race war that will make the riots look like a picknick. Millions could die...

[Howler]

I understand what you are saying. It will be very ugly.

But the question is, Who's fault will it be if he is thrown out?

His? The DNC's? The Democrat, Berg that launched this? The MSM for burring this so that it becomes a big surprise to most of Americana?

If he's not legit, are we supposed to forget about the Constitution of The United States?

Who would you LEGITIMATELY blame?



speaking of the rat droppings MSM. Did anyone catch ABC news night before last? They were in Indonesia at Barry's old school. Talking about how proud they were of their former student. The principal called him Barry several times, anding with a resounding "GOOD LUCK BARRY!" Then to top it off they went to Kenya, showing where his family was from:rolleyes:
They wouldnt even suggest any of that stuff before the election.:headbang::headbang:

[Betty]

What bothers me is that he is already going to "briefings" with our President and staff to learn all our secret stuff.

Has anyone tried to look him up on Ancestry.com or some other ancestry site? I tried but have not found anything, yet. They couldn't have contacted all of those sites to get his name off,hmmm? There might be a birth certificate with his parents names and place on it, or even a newspaper announcement of his marriage with parents name on it. Maybe a christening record? This has probably already been done, huh? But, I'll still look some more.

Betty

[Wolverine]

speaking of the rat droppings MSM. Did anyone catch ABC news night before last? They were in Indonesia at Barry's old school. Talking about how proud they were of their former student. The principal called him Barry several times, anding with a resounding "GOOD LUCK BARRY!" Then to top it off they went to Kenya, showing where his family was from:rolleyes:
They wouldnt even suggest any of that stuff before the election.:headbang::headbang:

After hearing about his upcoming move to the White House, his family packed up to leave Kenya for D.C...........

[urbanwhitebear]

speaking of the rat droppings MSM. Did anyone catch ABC news night before last? They were in Indonesia at Barry's old school. Talking about how proud they were of their former student. The principal called him Barry several times, anding with a resounding "GOOD LUCK BARRY!" Then to top it off they went to Kenya, showing where his family was from:rolleyes:
They wouldnt even suggest any of that stuff before the election.:headbang::headbang:

Wow...Still not acknowledging this in Canada...phoned in to a radio show night before....screener knew what I was talking about.....DJ played dumb.....he tryed to tell completly different story.....managed to get some websites quoted.....next morn, checked the archives.....my conversation was not there......others where......makes me wonder.....

[williambedloe]

speaking of the rat droppings MSM. Did anyone catch ABC news night before last? They were in Indonesia at Barry's old school. Talking about how proud they were of their former student. The principal called him Barry several times, anding with a resounding "GOOD LUCK BARRY!" Then to top it off they went to Kenya, showing where his family was from:rolleyes:
They wouldnt even suggest any of that stuff before the election.:headbang::headbang:

OK - who's going in with me on the printing of the "Buck Ofama" Bumper stickers?

[zajacik]

We have a fraudulent person elected to our Presidency. He has lied, cheated, and defiled most election laws to get votes. He will not be President-Elect until Dec 13th. The Electoral College does not all meet together. They meet state by state and send in their votes to the Senate.

You need to contact the party headquarters in your state and find out who the Electoral representatives are and send them a letter demanding an end to all this secret information and come forth and open up to the American people OR delay the vote. This procedure is what the founding father designed into our election system just for a time like this to avoid those who take advantage of the system to be weeded out.

The President is an elected official and serves at the will of the people. Obama has not earned any right to serve those that love this country and loves our Constitution. Certainly, He does not love the Constitution as even with all his knowledge of it he had defiled it many times over and has overtly stated he will change it to suit his needs.

This country is in the control of the people and without the support of the People he will not be able to serve. There are three things we can do according to Andy Martin (lawyer fighting to see Obama's birth certificate).

1. Demand that Obama be legitimate.

2. Do not volunteer to serve under his Administration (any type of government service, including military).

3. Reduce your spending at the retail level and make it known that the big retailers need to support our constitution and demand a legitimate President.

4. Fly your American flag upside down. This is the international sign of distress. It is NOT disrespectful. See below.

This country is officially in a great time of distress unless We The People step up and defend our Constitution.

If Obama is unwilling to show his original birth certificate even after lying to ALL of us that the Internet fake was the original then we ought to be unwilling to serve under him and his Chicago groupies.

The US American government is controlled by the People not but some power hungry fake and his foreign cronies that rake in illegal funds to buy votes and buy the election by stuffing the ballet box.

If you missed this then you need to listen to all of it now.

http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/livejava.php

If you think all of this is a bunch of dodo then you need to examine the foundation of this country and begin to realize that the foundation has already been cracked bigtime by Obama and its just beginning. If for some reason he starts his term there is NO reason he needs to serve beyond two years.


THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976
§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

OK - who's going in with me on the printing of the "Buck Ofama" Bumper stickers?

:happy64: :happy64: :happy64:
:eek: :eek:
:yes:

[Howler]

OK - who's going in with me on the printing of the "Buck Ofama" Bumper stickers?



count me in.
Can we also make "Buck Ofama voters"?


I couldnt be the only one who saw that on ABC. I was livid! Like they were rubbing it in Americas face that they pulled one over on us.:headbang::headbang::headbang:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

We have a fraudulent person elected to our Presidency. He has lied, cheated, and defiled most election laws to get votes. He will not be President-Elect until Dec 13th. The Electoral College does not all meet together. They meet state by state and send in their votes to the Senate.

You need to contact the party headquarters in your state and find out who the Electoral representatives are and send them a letter demanding an end to all this secret information and come forth and open up to the American people OR delay the vote. This procedure is what the founding father designed into our election system just for a time like this to avoid those who take advantage of the system to be weeded out.

The President is an elected official and serves at the will of the people. Obama has not earned any right to serve those that love this country and loves our Constitution. Certainly, He does not love the Constitution as even with all his knowledge of it he had defiled it many times over and has overtly stated he will change it to suit his needs.

This country is in the control of the people and without the support of the People he will not be able to serve. There are three things we can do according to Andy Martin (lawyer fighting to see Obama's birth certificate).

1. Demand that Obama be legitimate.

2. Do not volunteer to serve under his Administration (any type of government service, including military).

3. Reduce your spending at the retail level and make it known that the big retailers need to support our constitution and demand a legitimate President.

4. Fly your American flag upside down. This is the international sign of distress. It is NOT disrespectful. See below.

This country is officially in a great time of distress unless We The People step up and defend our Constitution.

If Obama is unwilling to show his original birth certificate even after lying to ALL of us that the Internet fake was the original then we ought to be unwilling to serve under him and his Chicago groupies.

The US American government is controlled by the People not but some power hungry fake and his foreign cronies that rake in illegal funds to buy votes and buy the election by stuffing the ballet box.

If you missed this then you need to listen to all of it now.

http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/livejava.php

If you think all of this is a bunch of dodo then you need to examine the foundation of this country and begin to realize that the foundation has already been cracked bigtime by Obama and its just beginning. If for some reason he starts his term there is NO reason he needs to serve beyond two years.


THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976
§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

Where the hell have you been hiding for so long?

Thanks for the info on the flag, and trying to get people to get fired up enough to do something.

Join our revolution. This is your enlistment invitation my friend.

[urbanwhitebear]

We have a fraudulent person elected to our Presidency. He has lied, cheated, and defiled most election laws to get votes. He will not be President-Elect until Dec 13th. The Electoral College does not all meet together. They meet state by state and send in their votes to the Senate.



4. Fly your American flag upside down. This is the international sign of distress. It is NOT disrespectful. See below.



THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976
§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.


GREAT IDEA !:yes:

[williambedloe]

I couldnt be the only one who saw that on ABC. I was livid! Like they were rubbing it in Americas face that they pulled one over on us.:headbang::headbang::headbang:

Don't worry about ABC - they're going to get theirs...hehehe:devil: :devil:

[mochasmom]

I saw it too Howler, his Kenyan granny was jumping all around, and i saw the part about his school..........just like you said..........never saw any of that prior to 11/4.

[Bart]

Now for the $64 question. (fill in the blank)

"If things get really ugly, I will side with _ _ _ _ _ ?

Correct answer is Jesus, but don't want to turn this thread.

Thread answer is I will side with like minded believers in our constitution, who love freedom and accept responsibility for themselves without requiring any govt to provide for their every need. Of course, these people are self reliant, hard working, generous, and Color Blind.

We have all heard Obama's answer to that question. He has written in one of his books that he will side with the muslims if the the political winds shift.

Bart

PS. I am not overtly religious, nor athiest, but raised christian and believe in the ideals and teachings of Christ.

[Bart]

Gee, I guess I'm glad I bought those guns and am stocking up on all of that expensive ammo.....

Right Reitman?

:yelrotflmao:

Load up while you can!

I bought 200 more rounds on the way home (for my 45 and 40 XD)

Bart

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

[Howler]

I saw it too Howler, his Kenyan granny was jumping all around, and i saw the part about his school..........just like you said..........never saw any of that prior to 11/4.


phew! Thanks for the back up! I was all doped up on Nyquill, but I knew I saw it!:whew:

[Wolverine]

phew! Thanks for the back up! I was all doped up on Nyquill, but I knew I saw it!:whew:

That's the hard stuff !
The original green death coma !!!

[Tallil1]

Do you know what would happen in america if our first black president would be thrown out of office for not being a citizen...thrown out of office for anything??

I hope they don't find anything out about him that would get him thrown out of office...just for america's sake...

Fearful of the consequences of the TRUTH, are we???:eek:

So, at what point do you think it necessary to defend what this Country was founded upon???:smoke: