Illegal immigrants deported from region at record rate

[Dinars4Jesus]

Illegal immigrants deported from region at record rate
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/nov/07/12753-illegal-immigrants-deported-region/

Three cheers for our side!

[Howler]

unfortunately, its only a drop in the bucket.

[Dinars4Jesus]

Tony's Illegal Criminal Immigration Agenda:

All illegals have 60 days to leave the country taking everything they own with them. Children born in the US that received automatic citizenship is null and void. If you leave peacefully and within the established time limit you will have the ability to return after going to the end of the line and following our laws of immigration.

Anyone staying beyond the 60 days will be imprisoned for a minimum of 5 years and all their properties confiscated. If you left within the 60 days and return illegally you will also be imprisoned.

Employers will stop the employment of illegals immediately and submit the names of those individuals illegally employed without repercussions. After the 60 day moritorium if you have retained any illegals knowingly you will be fined a minimum of $100,000 per illegal, imprisoned a minimum of 1 year and your business will be sold.

Illegals who move about the country to avoid this automatic deportation will be imprisoned for a minimum of 10 years.

State laws should be ammended to allow authorities in each town, city, county and state the ability to access the INS database and have a liason within their offices.

Increase INS, ICE and police presence within each community until illegal situation is contained.

Deputize volunteers for community surveilance of suspicious activities.

Disband any organizations: MS13, La Raza and ANY gangs whose members sole agenda is to commit crimes. Guilt by association = complicity in criminal activites.

Eliminate liberal judges that create laws and show by their records they are unbiased toward illegals.

Put the Mexican government on notice: No more border intrusions by illegals, drug dealers and military personnel of Mexico or any other nations. Ramifications would be swift and deadly if violated.

Intergrate enclaves (communities) of ethnic groups that have a population that is not as diverse as our population. This will have an effect on discrimination much as bussing does.

So much more.......

[Artemus]

Illegal immigrants deported from region at record rate
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/nov/07/12753-illegal-immigrants-deported-region/

Three cheers for our side!

I hate to say it D4Jesus but that's three cheers until Obungler is sworn in...mmmm,:wait: just realized why they call it "SWORN IN", at least in Obummers case.

[carlos]

D4J

Again you take delight in reporting events that you think are good for "your side" i was just wondering what exactly your agenda is?

I know what your responce will be...."that what they are doing is illigal!"

You (or someone else) will follow up by asking me what part of "illigal" I don't understand.

I do understand the meaning of the word and understand the need for change from the status quo.

However...with all that has happened to us as a nation over the last...let's just say, the last three months...I don't exactly understand your fixation on the issue. I suppose there is a reason for you to have a personal interest in seeing every illigal deported. Perhaps you will at last be at ease and will sleep at night knowing that you have been vindicated, and that there are no more illigals of any kind in this country.

Or like many...you simply feel that the illigal problem is one of the monumental issues of our times?

That the illigal problem has singlehandedly brought down our economy?
If your awnser is "yes", I would suggest that you are not informed and not up to speed on current events, and have a distorted perspective!

Personally, and unlike you, I think the illigal immigration issue is a minor issue compared to others that have not received the media attention that you has morbidly kept you fixated.

Howler said it well when he said; "a drop in the bucket"

I feel that it is ironic and disgusting that the big issues concerning people that have, or are breaking the law, have neither received any media attention or have just plain been swept under the carpet!

Case in point would be the criminal prosecution of all the greedy and corrupt execs on Wall Street that have so far eluded indictment and procecution because their crimes were "white collar" crimes even though they jointly are responsable for bilking investors out of BILLIONS in the retirement funds of honest hard working Americans.

Another case would be the indictment and procecution of the corporations that worked in Iraq and lost or stole, suddenly lost millions of taxpayers dollars during the procecution of the war!

I think your choise of fixations is petty, and mean spirited and disproportional in the face of the reality of our new issues!

Dinars for Jesus...I'm glad you found a mission in life! I hope you enjoy and delight in the capture of these miserable poor people, that are mostly here looking for work to take care of their families in other countries. I'm sure their hungry children will be glad you are concerned for them!

I don't understand how you can reconcille you Christian beliefs with your new found hobby?

Personally I suspect that there is a deeper motive to your dislike for the illigals and your delight in their deportation???

I know you will tell me that you come from Latin stock originally, and that you regularly eat at the local Mcdonnald's where you have befriended the workers there, and you feel a connection to them that proves your link to these people, and that you are innocent of any possible conflict of interests in any other regard...So what is up with this?

I guess you never heard the saying.."live and let live" and or never understood what you were reading in the bible.

Carlos

[geowhiz]

Why stay, there is probably more work in Mexico these days.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

D4J

Again you take delight in reporting events that you think are good for "your side" i was just wondering what exactly your agenda is?

I know what your responce will be...."that what they are doing is illigal!"

You (or someone else) will follow up by asking me what part of "illigal" I don't understand.

I do understand the meaning of the word and understand the need for change from the status quo.

However...with all that has happened to us as a nation over the last...let's just say, the last three months...I don't exactly understand your fixation on the issue. I suppose there is a reason for you to have a personal interest in seeing every illigal deported. Perhaps you will at last be at ease and will sleep at night knowing that you have been vindicated, and that there are no more illigals of any kind in this country.

Or like many...you simply feel that the illigal problem is one of the monumental issues of our times?

That the illigal problem has singlehandedly brought down our economy?
If your awnser is "yes", I would suggest that you are not informed and not up to speed on current events, and have a distorted perspective!

Personally, and unlike you, I think the illigal immigration issue is a minor issue compared to others that have not received the media attention that you has morbidly kept you fixated.

Howler said it well when he said; "a drop in the bucket"

I feel that it is ironic and disgusting that the big issues concerning people that have, or are breaking the law, have neither received any media attention or have just plain been swept under the carpet!

Case in point would be the criminal prosecution of all the greedy and corrupt execs on Wall Street that have so far eluded indictment and procecution because their crimes were "white collar" crimes even though they jointly are responsable for bilking investors out of BILLIONS in the retirement funds of honest hard working Americans.

Another case would be the indictment and procecution of the corporations that worked in Iraq and lost or stole, suddenly lost millions of taxpayers dollars during the procecution of the war!

I think your choise of fixations is petty, and mean spirited and disproportional in the face of the reality of our new issues!

Dinars for Jesus...I'm glad you found a mission in life! I hope you enjoy and delight in the capture of these miserable poor people, that are mostly here looking for work to take care of their families in other countries. I'm sure their hungry children will be glad you are concerned for them!

I don't understand how you can reconcille you Christian beliefs with your new found hobby?

Personally I suspect that there is a deeper motive to your dislike for the illigals and your delight in their deportation???

I know you will tell me that you come from Latin stock originally, and that you regularly eat at the local Mcdonnald's where you have befriended the workers there, and you feel a connection to them that proves your link to these people, and that you are innocent of any possible conflict of interests in any other regard...So what is up with this?

I guess you never heard the saying.."live and let live" and or never understood what you were reading in the bible.

Carlos


Typical carlos response. Only a moron like you would quote the Bible with no knowledge of it. "Live and Let Live" was a song, kinda like fairyland. (maybe like your last jail cell, you know)

Piss and moan about the way Bush spent our tax dollars, and then call $38,000,000,000 in spending on illegals not good enough of a drain on our economy.

And getting a spell check download won't help you either. You will still be just as stupid as you always spew anyway.

[williambedloe]

For a guy that lives in California, you really are not clued in Carlos:

Read these two articles:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2004/dec/06/20041206-102115-6766r/

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration..."

(From 2004 - costs are probably much worse now)


and here:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122599664335505605.html


SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed a temporary 1.5% sales tax increase to deal with California's worsening fiscal crisis, which has created an $11.2 billion deficit in this year's budget.
"We have a dramatic situation here and it takes dramatic solutions... and immediate action," the governor said as he called the Legislature back into session to deal with the budget shortfall. "We must stop the bleeding."




Can you connect the two Carlos, or is it above your pay grade???? Keep electing socialists, and your taxes will keep going sky high. Eventually, jobs will leave the state due to costs, yet you will continue to blame Republicans...You live in a state run by socialists, and all you can do is blame Bush.

[carlos]

For a guy that lives in California, you really are not clued in Carlos:

Read these two articles:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2004/dec/06/20041206-102115-6766r/

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration..."

(From 2004 - costs are probably much worse now)


and here:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122599664335505605.html


SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed a temporary 1.5% sales tax increase to deal with California's worsening fiscal crisis, which has created an $11.2 billion deficit in this year's budget.
"We have a dramatic situation here and it takes dramatic solutions... and immediate action," the governor said as he called the Legislature back into session to deal with the budget shortfall. "We must stop the bleeding."




Can you connect the two Carlos, or is it above your pay grade???? Keep electing socialists, and your taxes will keep going sky high. Eventually, jobs will leave the state due to costs, yet you will continue to blame Republicans...You live in a state run by socialists, and all you can do is blame Bush.


William

I've read a lot of these reports. I believe they are mostly written by people with their own agendas. They are slanted to infuriate people like yourself into joining them in their rage.

I will continue to vote Democratic, or socialist as you prefer to call it, because I believe in a government FOR the people, and not in a government for big business. It's as simple as that, and it seems that a vast amount of other American people agree. Enough to make you a minority within a minority.

As far as California is concerned...don't worry about us and our economy...we've gotten along just fine without you so far and most likely will continue to do so.

Here Spanish is spoken on just about every street corner in the State, I don't expect this will change anytime soon, despite the racial hate and bigotry there is in the rest of the country.

Carlos

[carlos]

Typical carlos response. Only a moron like you would quote the Bible with no knowledge of it. "Live and Let Live" was a song, kinda like fairyland. (maybe like your last jail cell, you know)

Piss and moan about the way Bush spent our tax dollars, and then call $38,000,000,000 in spending on illegals not good enough of a drain on our economy.

And getting a spell check download won't help you either. You will still be just as stupid as you always spew anyway.


daddy needs more brain capacity

Learn to read idiot! I did not say that "live and let live" was in the bible!
Don't know where you got the figures that you are bantying about, as being a real number to represent what you claim!

I guess one number is just as good as another! It does not matter to me what you feel you are paying as your share of that...because your too cheap to pay your share of anything! That's why you hold the views you do!
Your numbers are meaningless to me...they were probably figured by someone like you that has to take his shoes off to count past ten!

You don't like my spelling? Oh...I'm absolutely CRUSHED!

Hey...idiot, you don't HAVE to read anything that I write! You don't like what I write?.....I'M GLAD!:happy64:

Just look at it this way....your life is nothing, you have nothing, nor were ever anything! that's why you are so bitter and opinionted.
So where would you be without me to bring some sunshine into your abjectly miserable existance?

So keep the fan mail coming!

Carlos

[carlos]

Why stay, there is probably more work in Mexico these days.


Geo

Specially after 8 years of the Bush trickle down economics.

Carlos

[Howler]

D4J

Again you take delight in reporting events that you think are good for "your side" i was just wondering what exactly your agenda is?

I know what your responce will be...."that what they are doing is illigal!"

You (or someone else) will follow up by asking me what part of "illigal" I don't understand.

I do understand the meaning of the word and understand the need for change from the status quo.

However...with all that has happened to us as a nation over the last...let's just say, the last three months...I don't exactly understand your fixation on the issue. I suppose there is a reason for you to have a personal interest in seeing every illigal deported. Perhaps you will at last be at ease and will sleep at night knowing that you have been vindicated, and that there are no more illigals of any kind in this country.

Or like many...you simply feel that the illigal problem is one of the monumental issues of our times?

That the illigal problem has singlehandedly brought down our economy?
If your awnser is "yes", I would suggest that you are not informed and not up to speed on current events, and have a distorted perspective!

Personally, and unlike you, I think the illigal immigration issue is a minor issue compared to others that have not received the media attention that you has morbidly kept you fixated.

Howler said it well when he said; "a drop in the bucket"

I feel that it is ironic and disgusting that the big issues concerning people that have, or are breaking the law, have neither received any media attention or have just plain been swept under the carpet!

Case in point would be the criminal prosecution of all the greedy and corrupt execs on Wall Street that have so far eluded indictment and procecution because their crimes were "white collar" crimes even though they jointly are responsable for bilking investors out of BILLIONS in the retirement funds of honest hard working Americans.

Another case would be the indictment and procecution of the corporations that worked in Iraq and lost or stole, suddenly lost millions of taxpayers dollars during the procecution of the war!

I think your choise of fixations is petty, and mean spirited and disproportional in the face of the reality of our new issues!

Dinars for Jesus...I'm glad you found a mission in life! I hope you enjoy and delight in the capture of these miserable poor people, that are mostly here looking for work to take care of their families in other countries. I'm sure their hungry children will be glad you are concerned for them!

I don't understand how you can reconcille you Christian beliefs with your new found hobby?

Personally I suspect that there is a deeper motive to your dislike for the illigals and your delight in their deportation???

I know you will tell me that you come from Latin stock originally, and that you regularly eat at the local Mcdonnald's where you have befriended the workers there, and you feel a connection to them that proves your link to these people, and that you are innocent of any possible conflict of interests in any other regard...So what is up with this?

I guess you never heard the saying.."live and let live" and or never understood what you were reading in the bible.

Carlos

woah! Hold on there cowboy. I meant the number of illegals getting the righteous boot was a drop in the bucket.
You are delusional if you dont think the illegals in this country are a monumental drain on our economy.

Yes they are here looking for work to help their families in OTHER countries. Sorry but I'm all out of compassion at the moment. You see our own country has a huge problem right now. And all those jobs that the illegals are now doing, we will want and need desperately! Let Mexico help their own for a change.

You see I am married to an immigrant, and nothing irritates us more than to see illegals here skirting the system, yet reaping all the benefits of this great nation. They want to be here? Fine. Go home and come back the legal way. If they cant afford that, TOUGH! Stay home!!!!!
NO IF's AND's OR BUT's ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!:headbang::punch::angry:

[Dinars4Jesus]

D4J

Again you take delight in reporting events that you think are good for "your side" i was just wondering what exactly your agenda is? My agenda Carlos is to save our Constitution and nation.

I know what your responce will be...."that what they are doing is illigal!"

You (or someone else) will follow up by asking me what part of "illigal" I don't understand.

I do understand the meaning of the word and understand the need for change from the status quo.

However...with all that has happened to us as a nation over the last...let's just say, the last three months...I don't exactly understand your fixation on the issue. I suppose there is a reason for you to have a personal interest in seeing every illigal deported. Perhaps you will at last be at ease and will sleep at night knowing that you have been vindicated, and that there are no more illigals of any kind in this country. Sounds okay by me. Have you checked the immigration laws in Mexico my friend. They enforce them too.

Or like many...you simply feel that the illigal problem is one of the monumental issues of our times? It is because it syphons of jobs, money shipped out of country, cost us US taxpayers for free health benefits and more. I know you don't live in a cave Carlos, hospitals are hurting and even shutting down because free health care is not denied to illegals. States are going broke and wouldn't if they quit giving out freebees to the illegals.

That the illigal problem has singlehandedly brought down our economy?
If your awnser is "yes", I would suggest that you are not informed and not up to speed on current events, and have a distorted perspective! Carlos, I'm American with hispanic ethnicity, came from a military family, served and am a Patriot who wants the best for this country and ITS citizens. Understand that the illegal issue is not just about Mexicans, many have overstayed their visa's, Obama's aunt for example is hiding in the shadows receiving welfare. Is that okay with you?

Personally, and unlike you, I think the illigal immigration issue is a minor issue compared to others that have not received the media attention that you has morbidly kept you fixated. And you also believe they should receive amnesty?

Howler said it well when he said; "a drop in the bucket"

I feel that it is ironic and disgusting that the big issues concerning people that have, or are breaking the law, have neither received any media attention or have just plain been swept under the carpet! Because the media is biased and liberal not conservative.

Case in point would be the criminal prosecution of all the greedy and corrupt execs on Wall Street that have so far eluded indictment and procecution because their crimes were "white collar" crimes even though they jointly are responsable for bilking investors out of BILLIONS in the retirement funds of honest hard working Americans. The majority, Congress of Democrats will not go after them. Except Berg who is a democrat going after Obama's legal right to be a President. As you notice Obama took to his cabinet Emmanuel who was party to the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac debacle. Talk about rewarding bad behavior.

Another case would be the indictment and procecution of the corporations that worked in Iraq and lost or stole, suddenly lost millions of taxpayers dollars during the procecution of the war! Yes, they should be held accountable, again where is the Democratic congress pursuing this crime. Its enough to say we should do this or that, but when those in power, your guys, do nothing it smacks of cronieism and collusion.

I think your choise of fixations is petty, and mean spirited and disproportional in the face of the reality of our new issues! Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Laws are in place for a reason. We are not in a world of shades of grey Carlos, its either black or its white.

Dinars for Jesus...I'm glad you found a mission in life! I hope you enjoy and delight in the capture of these miserable poor people, that are mostly here looking for work to take care of their families in other countries. I'm sure their hungry children will be glad you are concerned for them! Carlos, you misunderstand the point about soverignity, the Constitution and our laws. There will always be the poor and I take care of many in my ministry. We have enough here who can't get a job because of the illegals. I know jobs we wouldn't take.....wrong....when the raids took place at McDonalds last year the positions were filled with Americans and even some white people.

I don't understand how you can reconcille you Christian beliefs with your new found hobby? My Christian beliefs are fine Carlos. If things didn't line up with the Word of God I wouldn't be doing this. I not only want to bring to light the illegal situation, but the corruption everywhere. We are to fight evil. Carlos, its not a hobby either. My father fought for this country as many of our IIF"ers fathers have and we will not let their lives be in vain. Remember our Constitution? We, all Americans, must stand for our Constitution and protect it from enemies within and without. Are you an American, will you defend the Constitution of the United States? If not then you need to vacate so we can fill the space with someone who wants to be here and knows what we are about. Do we have a lanuage barrier?

Personally I suspect that there is a deeper motive to your dislike for the illigals and your delight in their deportation??? I love all peoples that are hones, loyal and I will help those in need of a helping hand when necessary. They need to be deported because Carlos they are CRIMINALS AND ILLEGAL (hint: they came here through the back door) and they have no loyalty to the United States, the Constitution or its flag.
And Carlos, tell me what you think my "deeper motives" are.

I know you will tell me that you come from Latin stock originally, and that you regularly eat at the local Mcdonnald's where you have befriended the workers there, and you feel a connection to them that proves your link to these people, and that you are innocent of any possible conflict of interests in any other regard...So what is up with this? The law! And ma friends, even the illegals, and I have conversations about this same thing. We are still friends. Carlos, you may never understand what an American is or an American's Patriotism. And I've been against the illegal issue since the 1980's Carlos, its not a new thing.

I guess you never heard the saying.."live and let live" and or never understood what you were reading in the bible. Live and let live, how about letting us American's live and let live in our own country without an invasion from the south and corruption of our whole system? And I know my bible a whole lot more than you think. I've been at this to long Carlos and its an argument you can't win.
Carlos

If you were a loyal American and a Patriot you would understand. Would you like someone invading your homeland? Again look up Mexican immigration laws which are more strict than ours.
And the figure is $380,000,000 dollars spent on illegals and counting. Thats a lot of freebies!

[carlos]

Howler

The fact is that there is a national problem that has grown exponencially; mostly, over the last decade. I have seen it first hand in my community and cannot deny what I have seen.

The awnser to this problem is complex. Many, many thousands will be hurt very badly by whatever is done to control the problem and at many more levels than most people realise possible.

I suspect the majority of the impact of the problem could have been avoided years ago, had only our government interviened in a timely manner, to stem the illigal flow: that has now turned into a flood. But this is just looking in the rear view mirror of life!

This statement also holds a lesson for whatever is needed in the future to abate the problem once and for all. If it is true that our government should have interviened years ago...then action is needed now!

Will this happen as is needed, in one decisive blow?...or will we prioritize our national problems and justify putting the issue on the back burner once again?

Meanwhile, the hate and intolerance grows more, with every passing year that the problem continues.
The hate mongers and the intolerant will be in their element...they will flourish. And the illigal immigration will continue.

Many rational people are upset. Many irrational people have taken matters into their own hands.

Both groups feel impotent, and understandably so...
They don't understand what is happening and they don't understand why their government has not done anything about it!

My personal battle is with the irrational people. The intolerant and the ones that hate...because they know no other way to express themselves.
I have involved myself because to me...this issue touches me on a personal level.

I say again, that the problem is complex...and people will be badly hurt no matter where this thing goes. But...all problems have GOOD solutions if you remove the emotion from the equation and deal with the complex problem from an objective and clear headed approach and try and minimize the colateral damage as much as possible.

Until this issue moves from the back burner to the front burner on our national agenda...the pot will continue to boil!
Let's hope no one gets hurt!

Carlos

[Dinars4Jesus]

Right or wrong, laws or lawlessness, soverignity or surrender.

[carlos]

[/color]

If you were a loyal American and a Patriot you would understand. Would you like someone invading your homeland? Again look up Mexican immigration laws which are more strict than ours.
And the figure is $380,000,000 dollars spent on illegals and counting. Thats a lot of freebies!


Dinars for jesus

I concede defeat at your hands. You win the argument. With one exception....and one footnote..I still dispute your figures, of $380.000.000.00 on general principals....I recollect the source from some months ago and I found irregularities and double listings, or overlapping charges. I will not buy the figure! It's unrealistic and questionable!

item 2...don't question my loyalty! I am an American! 100% and resent any disparaging insinuations! it's uncalled for!!!!

Note...As an American...I have the right to my opinion, and if you happen to not agree with that opinion, that's fine...
However...your dissagreeing with my opinion does NOT give you the right to question my loyalties. As a matter of fact, I consider it a cheap shot!
Thanks

Carlos

[Dinars4Jesus]

Dinars for jesus

I concede defeat at your hands. This is not about who wins or loses Carlos. You win the argument. With one exception....and one footnote..I still dispute your figures, of $380.000.000.00 Mistake on my part: Should be $338 Billion,sorry (see chart below). on general principals....I recollect the source from some months ago and I found irregularities and double listings, or overlapping charges. I will not buy the figure! It's unrealistic and questionable!

item 2...don't question my loyalty! I am an American! 100% and resent any disparaging insinuations! it's uncalled for!!!! Would you die for this country defending it? Would you die for the Constitution of the United States? Will you uphold its laws? Depending on your answers......

Note...As an American...I have the right to my opinion, and if you happen to not agree with that opinion, that's fine...
However...your dissagreeing with my opinion does NOT give you the right to question my loyalties. As a matter of fact, I consider it a cheap shot!
Thanks See above questions.

Carlos

HIDDEN COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: ID THEFT
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/03/hidden_cost_of_.html

Cost of illegal immigration (http://endiana.blogspot.com/2008/02/cost-of-illegal-immigration.html)

1. Welfare: $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77 (http://tinyurl.com/zob77)

2. Food assistance: $2.2 billion dollars a year are spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http ://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html (http://www.blogger.com/http%20://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html)

3. Social services: Add social services to welfare and food assistance and American taxpayers are spending $90 billion dollars a year are spent on illegal aliens.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html (http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html)

4. Medicaid: $2.5 billion dollars a year are spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html)

5.Education: $12 billion dollars a year are spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html)

6. Education: $17 billion dollars a year are spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604%20/01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604%20/01/ldt.01.html) /01/ldt.01.html

7. Lost wages: Americans lose $200 billion dollars a year in suppressed wages caused by illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

8. Crime: The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html)

9. Sex crime: 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '.
http://www.blogger.com/Immigrants%20In%20The%20United%20States%20 (http://www.blogger.com/Immigrants%20In%20The%20United%20States%20)

10. Incarceration: $3 million dollars per day are spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

11. Incarceration: 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

12. Border crossing: During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 million illegal aliens that crossed our southern border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the southern
border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht (http://tinyurl.com/t9sht)

13. Deportation: The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf (http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf)

14. Remittances: In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 billion in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm (http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm)

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

To be an American you have to defend what is American! Ask a soldier or veteran.

[Artemus]

Dinars for jesus

I concede defeat at your hands. You win the argument. With one exception....and one footnote..I still dispute your figures, of $380.000.000.00 on general principals....I recollect the source from some months ago and I found irregularities and double listings, or overlapping charges. I will not buy the figure! It's unrealistic and questionable!

item 2...don't question my loyalty! I am an American! 100% and resent any disparaging insinuations! it's uncalled for!!!!

Note...As an American...I have the right to my opinion, and if you happen to not agree with that opinion, that's fine...
However...your dissagreeing with my opinion does NOT give you the right to question my loyalties. As a matter of fact, I consider it a cheap shot!
Thanksou do not have.

Carlos

Item 1 No one ever doubted your defeat. :giggle:

Item 2 No one can question something that you demonstrate you do not have to begin with! :wait:

As an illegal, as an American, or even as a cockroach your entitled to your opinion and if it demonstrates your disloyal then that's an opinion someone else is entitled to have. Do you think you have the corner on opinion entitlement? :fubar:

[williambedloe]

William

I've read a lot of these reports. I believe they are mostly written by people with their own agendas. They are slanted to infuriate people like yourself into joining them in their rage.

I will continue to vote Democratic, or socialist as you prefer to call it, because I believe in a government FOR the people, and not in a government for big business. It's as simple as that, and it seems that a vast amount of other American people agree. Enough to make you a minority within a minority.

As far as California is concerned...don't worry about us and our economy...we've gotten along just fine without you so far and most likely will continue to do so.

Here Spanish is spoken on just about every street corner in the State, I don't expect this will change anytime soon, despite the racial hate and bigotry there is in the rest of the country.

Carlos


I finally figured it out the condition many of you Democrats have - it's a cross between Battered Spouse syndrome and Stockholm syndrome. You take tons of abuse from your party, but cannot take independent action to leave them, and admire them greatly for the abuse they heap upon you.

[Betty]

SEND ALL ILLEGALS BACK HOME, NOW! Then we can cut so many costly programs, stop building new schools, keep our hospitals open, etc. They can apply legally as others do. And, maybe we can eventually balance our budget without raising our taxes more. I am curious as to what they will do with Obama's aunt who is illegal. It's not right to send her back to her country while they let all these other illegals stay.

Betty

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Item 1 No one ever doubted your defeat. :giggle:

Item 2 No one can question something that you demonstrate you do not have to begin with! :wait:

As an illegal, as an American, or even as a cockroach your entitled to your opinion and if it demonstrates your disloyal then that's an opinion someone else is entitled to have. Do you think you have the corner on opinion entitlement? :fubar:

Item #1. Too bad he couldn't put his stubborness to something intelligent and useful. The numbers are provable, but you have to speak to someone with a mind.

Item #2. Do you think you have the corner on opinion entitlement? You really had to ask this question? carlos could write a book "Entitlements R Us".....if he could find someone to read his spelling.

[Artemus]

I finally figured it out the condition many of you Democrats have - it's a cross between Battered Spouse syndrome and Stockholm syndrome. You take tons of abuse from your party, but cannot take independent action to leave them, and admire them greatly for the abuse they heap upon you.


President Carlos and
the Coming Stock Market Crash

How destructive to the U.S. economy would a CARLOS presidency be?
An exclusive NUMBNUTS analysis warns: There could be a very rough time ahead.

Beneath Carlos’ flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.
Carlos plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.

Worse, Carlos says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.
In the coming months — when investors realize that Carlos will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Carlos’ doubling of the tax rates next year.
All of these issues and more are explored in NUMBNUTS magazine's special report "Carlosmanomics — the Coming Tax-and-Spend Nightmare," by IIF Journalist columnist Artemus Maximus

This NUMBNUTS magazine special report gives Americans the first in-depth look at the Democratic presidential candidate's likely strategies — and how they will affect not just the larger economy, but your personal wealth as well.

Indeed, Carlos makes no bones about his plans to go on a tax rampage. Not only would he increase the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to as much as 28 percent, he wants to allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010, which effectively raises taxes on Americans by tens of billions of dollars.

He also wants to do away with the $102,000 FICA payroll tax cap, which means anyone making over $102,000 would pay an additional 7 percent in taxes on earned income.

And the loan dividend tax rate George Bush implemented? Under President Carlos it will be DOA!

If you are concerned about your wealth and family's financial well-being — and that the American economy remains strong — you must read this special report and share it with all your other Lib dummy friends, illegals, socialists, and terrorists.!

SO SUBSCRIBE TO NUMBNUTS MAGAZINE TODAY!

[Stuck@Cedar]

...I am curious as to what they will do with Obama's aunt who is illegal. It's not right to send her back to her country while they let all these other illegals stay.

Betty

My money is on a presidential pardon and citizenship right after the inauguration.

[Dinars4Jesus]

SEND ALL ILLEGALS BACK HOME, NOW! Then we can cut so many costly programs, stop building new schools, keep our hospitals open, etc. They can apply legally as others do. And, maybe we can eventually balance our budget without raising our taxes more. I am curious as to what they will do with Obama's aunt who is illegal. It's not right to send her back to her country while they let all these other illegals stay.

Betty

Betty, you can count on OB to fixit for her. Deportation for his auntie will never happen, betcha. Well not really a bet, but you get my drift. Remember OB's agenda (McCains also) was to have another amnesty.

[Dinars4Jesus]

President Carlos and
the Coming Stock Market Crash

How destructive to the U.S. economy would a CARLOS presidency be?
An exclusive NUMBNUTS analysis warns: There could be a very rough time ahead.

Beneath Carlos’ flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.
Carlos plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.

Worse, Carlos says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.
In the coming months — when investors realize that Carlos will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Carlos’ doubling of the tax rates next year.
All of these issues and more are explored in NUMBNUTS magazine's special report "Carlosmanomics — the Coming Tax-and-Spend Nightmare," by IIF Journalist columnist Artemus Maximus

This NUMBNUTS magazine special report gives Americans the first in-depth look at the Democratic presidential candidate's likely strategies — and how they will affect not just the larger economy, but your personal wealth as well.

Indeed, Carlos makes no bones about his plans to go on a tax rampage. Not only would he increase the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to as much as 28 percent, he wants to allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010, which effectively raises taxes on Americans by tens of billions of dollars.

He also wants to do away with the $102,000 FICA payroll tax cap, which means anyone making over $102,000 would pay an additional 7 percent in taxes on earned income.

And the loan dividend tax rate George Bush implemented? Under President Carlos it will be DOA!

If you are concerned about your wealth and family's financial well-being — and that the American economy remains strong — you must read this special report and share it with all your other Lib dummy friends, illegals, socialists, and terrorists.!

SO SUBSCRIBE TO NUMBNUTS MAGAZINE TODAY!

Impeach Carlos! :headbang:

[AmericanGirl]

The few times I talked to you Carlos via PM I thought you where a great guy. But I must DEFEND the USA.

HELLO for every job these people take is a family man or women that has no job.

I only read about 1/3 of your post before I replied since it was to me not worth reading anymore

A.G.


D4J

Again you take delight in reporting events that you think are good for "your side" i was just wondering what exactly your agenda is?

I know what your responce will be...."that what they are doing is illigal!"

You (or someone else) will follow up by asking me what part of "illigal" I don't understand.

I do understand the meaning of the word and understand the need for change from the status quo.

However...with all that has happened to us as a nation over the last...let's just say, the last three months...I don't exactly understand your fixation on the issue. I suppose there is a reason for you to have a personal interest in seeing every illigal deported. Perhaps you will at last be at ease and will sleep at night knowing that you have been vindicated, and that there are no more illigals of any kind in this country.

Or like many...you simply feel that the illigal problem is one of the monumental issues of our times?

That the illigal problem has singlehandedly brought down our economy?
If your awnser is "yes", I would suggest that you are not informed and not up to speed on current events, and have a distorted perspective!

Personally, and unlike you, I think the illigal immigration issue is a minor issue compared to others that have not received the media attention that you has morbidly kept you fixated.

Howler said it well when he said; "a drop in the bucket"

I feel that it is ironic and disgusting that the big issues concerning people that have, or are breaking the law, have neither received any media attention or have just plain been swept under the carpet!

Case in point would be the criminal prosecution of all the greedy and corrupt execs on Wall Street that have so far eluded indictment and procecution because their crimes were "white collar" crimes even though they jointly are responsable for bilking investors out of BILLIONS in the retirement funds of honest hard working Americans.

Another case would be the indictment and procecution of the corporations that worked in Iraq and lost or stole, suddenly lost millions of taxpayers dollars during the procecution of the war!

I think your choise of fixations is petty, and mean spirited and disproportional in the face of the reality of our new issues!

Dinars for Jesus...I'm glad you found a mission in life! I hope you enjoy and delight in the capture of these miserable poor people, that are mostly here looking for work to take care of their families in other countries. I'm sure their hungry children will be glad you are concerned for them!

I don't understand how you can reconcille you Christian beliefs with your new found hobby?

Personally I suspect that there is a deeper motive to your dislike for the illigals and your delight in their deportation???

I know you will tell me that you come from Latin stock originally, and that you regularly eat at the local Mcdonnald's where you have befriended the workers there, and you feel a connection to them that proves your link to these people, and that you are innocent of any possible conflict of interests in any other regard...So what is up with this?

I guess you never heard the saying.."live and let live" and or never understood what you were reading in the bible.

Carlos

[Daddy Needs Mils]

William

I've read a lot of these reports. I believe they are mostly written by people with their own agendas. They are slanted to infuriate people like yourself into joining them in their rage.

I will continue to vote Democratic, or socialist as you prefer to call it, because I believe in a government FOR the people, and not in a government for big business. It's as simple as that, and it seems that a vast amount of other American people agree. Enough to make you a minority within a minority.

As far as California is concerned...don't worry about us and our economy...we've gotten along just fine without you so far and most likely will continue to do so.



Carlos


Yes, they are just fine William. That are just asking us (the rest of the United States) to bail them out of their socially irresponsibe debt.

Yep, this is the measure of what the average democrat seems to think. Fiscal responsibllity is considered bankrupting someione else to pay for the 9th largest economy that has managed to bankrupt itself.

To carlos, this is the new morality. about Bush's poor fiscal responsibility, and then ask us to fix their own socialistic problems of their own creation.

That makes them just fine.

Is carlos the only one this genuinely makes sense to? Must be. I deidn't see his supporters rallying behind him.

[Artemus]

Yes, they are just fine William. That are just asking us (the rest of the United States) to bail them out of their socially irresponsibe debt.

Yep, this is the measure of what the average democrat seems to think. Fiscal responsibllity is considered bankrupting someione else to pay for the 9th largest economy that has managed to bankrupt itself.

To carlos, this is the new morality. about Bush's poor fiscal responsibility, and then ask us to fix their own socialistic problems of their own creation.

That makes them just fine.

Is carlos the only one this genuinely makes sense to? Must be. I deidn't see his supporters rallying behind him.

:rofl: D4Jesus has it right! Impeach Carlos Numbnuts! :happy64::party:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

:rofl: D4Jesus has it right! Impeach Carlos Numbnuts! :happy64::party:

Impeach him from what?/// His stupidity????

That is his natural born, God given right.

Just wait till he gets another day out of his cell. He'll be calling you a hateful bigot too.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

The few times I talked to you Carlos via PM I thought you where a great guy. But I must DEFEND the USA.


A.G.


Is this a typo A.G.????

Sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense after the PM's we have exchanged, and your other posts.

Did you have a hangover, or were you high on something?

He is always this way on the forum.

[Artemus]

Impeach him from what?/// His stupidity????

That is his natural born, God given right.

Just wait till he gets another day out of his cell. He'll be calling you a hateful bigot too.

I'm sorry, I thought he slipped all that stupidity across the border illegally.:thinking:

[lordrazor1]

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Its unfortunate that Carlos is misguided like most Democrats and have no idea what the constitution says. Notice how he threw out a Government “For the People”, evidently he didn't read the preamble of the Constitution. If you notice it says we the people of the United States, not Mexico, not England, nor any other country. To establish justice, well it is the United States government’s duty to establish justice and that would mean to follow the law and get rid of Illegal Immigrants (hence the word illegal), and to ensure domestic tranquility (a state of peace and calm), well there is no tranquility if they are here illegally. Provide for the common defense this one is easy, and I think this is were Democrats get confused, the general welfare (except it don’t mean a welfare state giving money away to lazy people), then it says secure the blessings of liberty to OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY, NOT MEXICO’S people, ENGLAND's people, AFRICA's people and so on.

And I can see how he and others are misguided since this isn’t taught in schools anymore nor even do our (so they think) intelligent college professors’. The only way to change this misinterpretation is to actually teach the meaning of the constitution and hopefully people like Carlos will understand what it means.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Its unfortunate that Carlos is misguided like most Democrats and have no idea what the constitution says. Notice how he threw out a Government “For the People”, evidently he didn't read the preamble of the Constitution. If you notice it says we the people of the United States, not Mexico, not England, nor any other country. To establish justice, well it is the United States government’s duty to establish justice and that would mean to follow the law and get rid of Illegal Immigrants (hence the word illegal), and to ensure domestic tranquility (a state of peace and calm), well there is no tranquility if they are here illegally. Provide for the common defense this one is easy, and I think this is were Democrats get confused, the general welfare (except it don’t mean a welfare state giving money away to lazy people), then it says secure the blessings of liberty to OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY, NOT MEXICO’S people, ENGLAND's people, AFRICA's people and so on.

And I can see how he and others are misguided since this isn’t taught in schools anymore nor even do our (so they think) intelligent college professors’. The only way to change this misinterpretation is to actually teach the meaning of the constitution and hopefully people like Carlos will understand what it means.

What carlos recites is the "jail house lawyer" version. It is all he knows, since he has been there so many times. (He's even bragged about how many times he's been to court)

[Betty]

My money is on a presidential pardon and citizenship right after the inauguration.

Actually, she might even live in the White House like Michelle's mother is going to do.

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008811080316

[Betty]

Betty, you can count on OB to fixit for her. Deportation for his auntie will never happen, betcha. Well not really a bet, but you get my drift. Remember OB's agenda (McCains also) was to have another amnesty.

Oh, he'll fix it for her alright. She will live in the White House to help with the children, too. They'll have two "Nannies".

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Actually, she might even live in the White House like Michelle's mother is going to do.

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008811080316

:eek: YES! :eek: Proof there is a God! :eek:

Obama's momma in law in the White House. There is one form of justice he won't be able to skate away from. (if she's the one who raised Michelle, we may never hear from him again):happy64:

[AmericanGirl]

Is this a typo A.G.????

Sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense after the PM's we have exchanged, and your other posts.

Did you have a hangover, or were you high on something?

He is always this way on the forum.

Hey Daddy, Carlos wrote to me about how I had been in a spot a while back and had to use the FREE services of a breadline / soup kitchen we talked a few times... but soon he just stopped replying... maybe he got scared I'd ask for :cash: maybe.

I to thought that was him in the photo w/ his young bride/GR but found out its not him. Not high or hungover to old for that carp.

[Semper Fidelis]

AZ is kicking illegal .... Just shot down more lenient Illegal law props.... Illegals are FLEEING the state...

[Dakota77]

AZ is kicking illegal .... Just shot down more lenient Illegal law props.... Illegals are FLEEING the state...
Is this for real??

[JUSTAGIRL]

WHAT happened to CARLOS? MY DADDY SAYS perhaps carlos is a traitor to America, which is punishable by death. MY DADDY SAYS - "HANG 'EM HIGH" - JMDO - JAG

[Semper Fidelis]

Is this for real??


Well AZ is not "literally" kicking illegals in the . But yes...the situation has improved.

[LARRY_5CENTS]

the article mentions Puerto Rico.Are they not allowed come over and work here being that they are a territory?Maybe they are talking about illegals that went to puerto rico first...

[Dakota77]

I agree that they need to leave! They are milking America for all it's worth. The CASH COW is all out of MILK!:headbang:

[AmericanGirl]

WHAT happened to CARLOS? MY DADDY SAYS perhaps carlos is a traitor to America, which is punishable by death. MY DADDY SAYS - "HANG 'EM HIGH" - JMDO - JAG


:giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[t454blue]

William

I've read a lot of these reports. I believe they are mostly written by people with their own agendas. They are slanted to infuriate people like yourself into joining them in their rage.

I will continue to vote Democratic, or socialist as you prefer to call it, because I believe in a government FOR the people, and not in a government for big business. It's as simple as that, and it seems that a vast amount of other American people agree. Enough to make you a minority within a minority.

As far as California is concerned...don't worry about us and our economy...we've gotten along just fine without you so far and most likely will continue to do so.

Here Spanish is spoken on just about every street corner in the State, I don't expect this will change anytime soon, despite the racial hate and bigotry there is in the rest of the country.

Carlos

I believe that California is too far gone to be saved anyways. Give it to Mexico.

[Dinars4Jesus]

The reason Carlos is so happy with the condition of California and that the street corners are full of the sound of Mariachi's (love their music) is that Carlos knows that if they keep going the way their going it will be Mexico and he won't have to feign a false American citizenship anymore and because he is loyal to Mexico. Another thing, don't you think that when the population of California is a majority of illegals that the government may well stop funding them. It will also be easier to build a fence from the border in AZ up NV and around to Oregon. Totally cut off is nice!

I do have to admit I have Carlos on ignore because he keeps spouting his anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Constitution rhetoric. I do get to see every now and then a "quote" publication of his when someone responds to him.

I got tired of responding to a socialist/democrat/liberal who only wants to take from the system and gives nothing back. All he espouses is what he's been told and he NEVER investigates anyone's findings. Tomato, tomaato kinda thing. He will disagree with everything not to his liking. Go back to Mexico Carlos you are not welcome here.

By the way Carlos, we Americans are not in any rage, we are a patient people and it will come around to "OUR" way of thinking because Carlos, after all this is "AMERICA" or did you not know that?

And Carlos, I am not a racist or a bigot and I love "LEGALS" that paid their dues, did it right and actually want that piece of paper and am proud to call them Americans and friends. The name calling is just a ploy to cause confusion and to have Americans back down for fear of law suits, jail or what ever. Some of us don't care what you think Carlos and know what your agenda is, to "destroy" this country and take back the south west......how do you say it Carlos, "Viva La Raza"? We are also aware of your front organizations and so much more Carlos, you would be surprised. And Carlos, LEGALS are welcome to any job they qualify for and the best to them. Illegals are thieves by stealing health care, welfare, American jobs (that we will do) and oh yes, the education we tax payers are paying for. It will soon come to an end Carlos.

So Carlos, my suggestion is tell your illegal friends to go home, apply to come to America like everyone else and they will be welcome. . . ONLY if they are truly wanting to become American citizens, not freeloaders using the system to get the "Stinkin Paper" as I have been told by some illegals....."its only a piece of paper." Totally disrespectful of a culture toward this country. You should be ashamed!

Lets not get into the religious aspect of coveting, stealing, lieing, and all the other sins an illegal commits starting with one foot step across the border. Where's is the Pope when you need him?

Enough of my venting tonight Carlos, I just wanted to let you know I'm still here. Have a good night Carlos and for God's sake, pick up a bible, go to church and visit the library for some educational material and "Think for yourself".

Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked Carlos his opinion on Ramos and Campean? Let me guess?

Here's one for you Carlos, when the RV happens I'm moving to Texas and one of the businesses I'm opening is going to be a "MEXICAN RESTAURANT" go figure......it will be staffed with "LEGALS". So much for your racist, bigoted comments.

[Dinars4Jesus]

the article mentions Puerto Rico.Are they not allowed come over and work here being that they are a territory?Maybe they are talking about illegals that went to puerto rico first...

No Larry the illegals that have found their way to Puerto Rico were being deported. Puerto Rico is a US possession and all US citizens who can move freely anywhere in this country.

[SickNastyX2]

It's the government's fault, not the illegal's. I think a distinction needs to be made there. I think any person would agree that legal immigration has greatly benefited the country. Mexicans aren't coming over the border to steal 'your' jobs and they aren't the boogeyman by any means. They, like you and I, are trying to feed their families. The problem here, is that the money isn't necessarily staying in the U.S. (Though, this varies with countries. I believe different immigrants do things differently.) Mexicans, for example, are trying to move their families into this country and gain citizenship, versus lets say, maybe Brazilians are sending the money back home. I think Americans naturally assume all immigrants really want to send money back home and not adopt 'American' culture. That is simply not always true.

Some of you ought to do some research on U.S./ Latin American foreign relations. I think you would learn something about how we essentially create some of these problems in other countries.

But yes, the government is not enforcing law, and I wonder if they even want to?

[Dinars4Jesus]

It's the government's fault, not the illegal's. I think a distinction needs to be made there. I think any person would agree that legal immigration has greatly benefited the country. Mexicans aren't coming over the border to steal 'your' jobs and they aren't the boogeyman by any means. They, like you and I, are trying to feed their families. The problem here, is that the money isn't necessarily staying in the U.S. (Though, this varies with countries. I believe different immigrants do things differently.) Mexicans, for example, are trying to move their families into this country and gain citizenship, versus lets say, maybe Brazilians are sending the money back home. I think Americans naturally assume all immigrants really want to send money back home and not adopt 'American' culture. That is simply not always true.

Some of you ought to do some research on U.S./ Latin American foreign relations. I think you would learn something about how we essentially create some of these problems in other countries.

But yes, the government is not enforcing law, and I wonder if they even want to?

SickNastyX2, it is not ALL the governments fault, its the Mexican government, its the illegals who have conscience's and know they are coming here illegally, its the employers and more. Legal immigration works as it was intended when the loyalty to our country is paramount in the immigrants mind. The point about feeding their families I can sympathize with, but they have land they grow on just like we do. If the they would "revolt" in Mexico they could change things, but they don't have the will to do so and they escape slavery by coming here. And I know to well that our government is not wanting to do anything about it because of hidden agenda thats not so hidden anymore.
I am an American with Hispanic heritage so I know some what of US/Latin American relations. I am also aware of North American Union, etc.

[Luko1234]

well obama won, so we can kiss all this goobye?????? If you really hate illegals, go to church and pray that they go away?? Obama, is more concerned about the economy!!

I am impressed with the variety of clowns that bother posting junk?

Ask yourself what would Jesus really thinck of you???? This world belongs to our lord, not me, dinarsforjesus, bush,

[Luko1234]

Can't we all get along?????

[geowhiz]

SickNastyX2, it is not ALL the governments fault, its the Mexican government, its the illegals who have conscience's and know they are coming here illegally, its the employers and more. Legal immigration works as it was intended when the loyalty to our country is paramount in the immigrants mind. The point about feeding their families I can sympathize with, but they have land they grow on just like we do. If the they would "revolt" in Mexico they could change things, but they don't have the will to do so and they escape slavery by coming here. And I know to well that our government is not wanting to do anything about it because of hidden agenda thats not so hidden anymore.
I am an American with Hispanic heritage so I know some what of US/Latin American relations. I am also aware of North American Union, etc.


Corrupt Mexican government has a part, but the real problem is with NAFTA, the abolishment of tariffs, ever-increasing free trade across borders, and the multinational corporations who benefit from these laws. Companies like Dole and Archer Daniels Midland, with their automated farming techniques have literally bought up and squeezed out the single family peasant (livelihood) farmers all over Mexico and pushed them over the border simply to survive.

[Artemus]

William

I've read a lot of these reports. I believe they are mostly written by people with their own agendas. They are slanted to infuriate people like yourself into joining them in their rage.

I will continue to vote Democratic, or socialist as you prefer to call it, because I believe in a government FOR the people,(Who's government and what people?) and not in a government for big business.(Do you mean the big business that is owned by the people and provides all the jobs?) It's as simple as that, and it seems that a vast amount of other American(ILLEGALS like your self?) people agree. Enough to make you a minority within a minority.

As far as California is concerned.(Who? You and Arnold?)..don't worry about us and our economy...we've gotten along just fine without you so far and most likely will continue to do so.

Here Spanish is spoken on just about every street corner in the State, I don't expect this will change anytime soon, despite the racial hate and bigotry there is in the rest of the country.

Carlos

ICE is looking for you Carlos! Get off the street corner:eek: :wave:

[Dinars4Jesus]

well obama won, so we can kiss all this goobye?????? If you really hate illegals, go to church and pray that they go away?? Obama, is more concerned about the economy!!

I am impressed with the variety of clowns that bother posting junk?

Ask yourself what would Jesus really thinck of you???? This world belongs to our lord, not me, dinarsforjesus, bush,

Hello Luko, apparently you need to brush up on your scripture. We are to "occupy till He comes", that means "do business". We are to abhor evil and we are to fight evil. I don't hate any man by the way, not even Carlos, I am to love and pray for my enemies. I don't have to "like" anyone especially if they go against God's doctrine and the laws of this country.

There is so much more I could quote from scripture, but I think it would behoove you to dust off your bible.

God says, "obey the laws of the land". Now in my thinking, most of those coming north and illegal are Catholics as most are in the southern hemisphere. Catholics believe in and are suppose to adhere to the Ten Commandments and as I see it they are not doing so. They are not obeying our laws (try that in Mexico) and they are also not obeying the Ten Commandment as directed to do so by the Catholic church.

Now don't get on me about "judging" as the bible talks about "righteous judging" and there is a difference.

As for asking myself what would Jesus think of me, I know what he thinks of me and I know the work I he has commaneded me and other Christians to do. He wants us involved Luko, are you involved?

Disclaimer: The above was said without anger, and with love and kindness. :wave:

[Luko1234]

I have choosen to bless instead of hate. To be judge by the lord instead of judging my brothers and sisters. I love my neighbors whether they are legal or illegal!!! There is only one true judge, let mans law be second for his justice is is holy!

My brothers and sisters hell is big enough for all of us.

[Stuck@Cedar]

It's the government's fault, not the illegal's. I think a distinction needs to be made there.
What isn't the illegal's fault? That they are here illegally? I guess you could say that about any violation of the law... "Hey, it's not my fault, I wouldn't have broken the law if the government had made it legal for me to do what I did!":yelrotflmao: A distinction HAS been made that some people seem to continually ignore. If you illegally cross the boarder into the United States, or any other country for that matter, you are an illegal alien. If the government (Mexican or U.S., take your pick) had grabbed them off the street, brought them across the boarder and dumped them in the U.S. then I would agree with you about it being the government's fault. Unless that happened, however, it is the illegal alien's fault that he (or she) is an illegal alien.
I think any person would agree that legal immigration has greatly benefited the country.
Yes, I will agree with that, but what does it have to do with the topic of illegal aliens?
...They, like you and I, are trying to feed their families. The problem here, is that the money isn't necessarily staying in the U.S. (Though, this varies with countries. I believe different immigrants do things differently.) Mexicans, for example, are trying to move their families into this country and gain citizenship, versus lets say, maybe Brazilians are sending the money back home. I think Americans naturally assume all immigrants really want to send money back home and not adopt 'American' culture. That is simply not always true.

Some of you ought to do some research on U.S./ Latin American foreign relations. I think you would learn something about how we essentially create some of these problems in other countries...
It doesn't vary with the country, it varies with the immigrant. Maybe YOU should do some research before you make blanket statements! "Mexicans, for example, are... Brazilians are..." Your statement implies that ALL Mexicans are trying to move their families here and gain citizenship. That statement is just full of carp, or to quote YOU, "that is simply not always true". Your statement doesn't say "some Mexicans", it just says "Mexicans". If a white Republican made that statement he (or she) would be besieged by the Democrats (and various other groups) with accusations of racism. There are a lot of Mexicans in the U.S. that are there specifically to make money to send home to their families and have no intention of becoming a citizen.

[Dinars4Jesus]

I have choosen to bless instead of hate. To be judge by the lord instead of judging my brothers and sisters. I love my neighbors whether they are legal or illegal!!! There is only one true judge, let mans law be second for his justice is is holy!

My brothers and sisters hell is big enough for all of us.

But Luko, you need to read up on righteous judging. And according to your thinking, its okay for illegals to break the law when God says to obey the laws of the land. We are to love our enemies, we are to love our neighbor, but what your saying is we shouldn't judge right and wrong and that ggoes against what the Lord says. Are you a minister? If not, you need to talk to your minister about illegals and what the Word says about judging righteously.

Are you apathetic, turn your cheek kind of Christian? If so, then when an illegal comes into your home (I pray not) then don't do anything except stand there and do not judge the situation, and don't react, and just give them everything. What your seeing here is illegals coming into our home (the USA) and taking what they want. Its got to stop!

And the Lord Jesus Christ in His Word allows the defending of ourselves.

And by the way, not everyone is your brother and sister in Christ. And I am a minister!

[Stuck@Cedar]

I didn't read the thread....

IF PEOPLE COULD GET IN LEGALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE ANY ILLEGALS LEFT
The problem is the backlog in the system more then anything....next illegal you meet ask them...if they applied for citizenship....i bet ya 1 out of 10 have...the ones that haven't have ran into the backlog or talked to other who have been waiting years and found it easier illegally these people are kept waiting for year

A freinds father came here from Italy when he was eighteen...immediatly applied for citizenship...he FINALLY was approved 15 YEARS LATER...

Clean up the system let people become citizens without having to wait 5-10 years....employee more people in the INS! and the problem of illegal immigration will end...


its just impossible in this day and age to get into this country legally....THATS WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!

Well, I applied for a loan...but the bank hadn't got back to me by the time I needed the money. It's not my fault they took so long and if it wasn't against the law, taking the money wouldn't have made me a criminal! :giggle:

How about a better idea, let's just get rid of all the laws and we will no longer have a crime problem!:yelrotflmao:

I won't argue that there isn't a backlog, but that doesn't justify someone breaking our laws. The problem is that the bleeding heart liberals don't seem to think that entering our country by other than an authorized means should be illegal. I hate to break it to you, but people that don't respect our laws aren't the people that we want to allow to move into our country... we have enough of those types that were born here.

The illegal aliens are not much different than the guy that was recently found living in someone's attic in Pennsylvania http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/video_man_found_living_in_familys_attic/52647/. He was on someone else's property without authorization which was illegal. Illegal aliens are in our country without authorization and are breaking the law.

[JUSTAGIRL]

Well, I applied for a loan...but the bank hadn't got back to me by the time I needed the money. It's not my fault they took so long and if it wasn't against the law, taking the money wouldn't have made me a criminal! :giggle:

How about a better idea, let's just get rid of all the laws and we will no longer have a crime problem!:yelrotflmao:

I won't argue that there isn't a backlog, but that doesn't justify someone breaking our laws. The problem is that the bleeding heart liberals don't seem to think that entering our country by other than an authorized means should be illegal. I hate to break it to you, but people that don't respect our laws aren't the people that we want to allow to move into our country... we have enough of those types that were born here.

The illegal aliens are not much different than the guy that was recently found living in someone's attic in Pennsylvania http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/video_man_found_living_in_familys_attic/52647/. He was on someone else's property without authorization which was illegal. Illegal aliens are in our country without authorization and are breaking the law.

My Daddy says that's a fine retort to Dinarhunters ignorance and lack of logic, however , we need to be patient with said ignoramous, as he is obviously NEW to this planet. - JMDO - JAG:thinking::tmi:

[Mr.Dinar$]

WHAT happened to CARLOS? MY DADDY SAYS perhaps carlos is a traitor to America, which is punishable by death. MY DADDY SAYS - "HANG 'EM HIGH" - JMDO - JAG


May be he got himself deported. :clapping: :party::party:

[Stuck@Cedar]

What's the matter? So, ya want to move to the good ol' U. S. of A. and you say you can't get a green card?

Enter the Lottery!!

What? You think I'm kidding? Just go to http://www.usafis.org/_sys/EN/english_msn_faq.asp?af=yhc_en_mail_lrec_pass_en