The Ramifications of an Illegal Presidential Election

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy [/URL]

According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.

"Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

"He may have nominated people to different positions; he may have nominated people to the judicial branch, who may have been confirmed, they may have gone out on xecutive duty and done various things," said Mr. Vieira. "The people that he's put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped."

Mr. Vieira said Obama supporters should be the ones concerned about the case, because Mr. Obama's platform would be discredited it he were forced to step down from the presidency later due to his ineligibility, were it to be discovered.

"If he were my client and this question came up in civil litigation, if there was some reason that his birth status was relevant and the other side wanted him to produce the thing and he said 'no,' I would tell him, 'you have about 15 minutes to produce it or sign the papers necessary to produce the document, or I'm resigning as your attorney," said Mr. Vieira. "I don't think any ethical attorney would go ahead on the basis that his client could produce an objective document in civil litigation [and refused to do so]."

Further, Mr. Vieira cited a fraud ruling in a 1977 case called U.S. v. Prudden, which he feels applies in this case.

"Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading," the ruling reads. "We cannot condone this shocking conduct ... If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately."

Mr. Vieira said such an ethical question of representing a client who refused to produce such a basic document is important, even in a small civil case. The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button.

"[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there," said Mr. Vieira. "What if it isn't? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn't there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn't there? Does the CIA know that it isn't there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?"

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[TerryTate]

The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button.

"[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there," said Mr. Vieira. "What if it isn't? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn't there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn't there? Does the CIA know that it isn't there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?"


Now there is an interesting bit of thought I hadn't considered.

Given the potential disruption that would be caused by such a discovery, that is truly frightening.

This needs resolution and it needs to be conclusive.

One way or the other.

[97ChameleonTA]

I received a response from Mel Martinez today on this very topic. I'm sure its a form letter to respond to all that petitioned him. To say the least, I was extremely disappointed in what it said. In short, it said 'what's done is done, deal with it...'

Posted for your viewing pleasure :dull:


Below is a response to the recent comments I received from you:


Dear Mr. ***:

Thank you for contacting me regarding President-Elect Obama's citizenship. I appreciate hearing from you and would like to respond to your concerns.

Like you, I believe that our federal government has the responsibility to make certain that the Constitution of the United States is not compromised. We must fight to uphold our Constitution through our courts and political processes.

Article II of the Constitution provides that "no Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President." The Constitution, however, does not specify how that qualification for office is to be enforced. As you may know, a voter recently raised this issue before a federal court in Pennsylvania. On October 24, 2008, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania released an order in the case of Berg v.Obama.In that case, the plaintiff, Phillip Berg, raised the same issue that your letter raises regarding proof of the President-Elect's birthplace. Through his lawsuit, Mr. Berg sought to compel President-Elect Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate.

The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg's suit and held that the question of Obama's citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.

Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice - first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President.

After he is sworn into office, Mr. Obama will be our nation's President and I intend to bestow upon him the honor and respect due any man who holds that Office. Yet, I am certain that there will be times when I will disagree and oppose President Obama's policies. When that happens, you can be assured that I will pursue vigorously what I believe to be in the best interest of Florida and the nation.

I thank you for sharing your views with me and will keep your concerns in mind. If you have additional questions or comments, please contact me. For more information about issues and activities important to Florida, please sign up for my weekly newsletter at http://martinez.senate.gov (http://martinez.senate.gov/).

Sincerely,

Mel Martinez
United States Senator


**Note: PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL. If you would like to reply to this message, please contact me through my website at http://martinez.senate.gov (http://martinez.senate.gov/).

[AZDinar]

Ol' Mel has got to go. Voters do not 'vet' candidates, the Party they belong to does it first, then the Media, and that is spoon fed to the masses. Whether or not the 'voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets qualifications' is not the issue. Voters do not decide upon the constitutionality of a candidacy. Only a court can. Mr. Martinez is wrong, and should be told so in no uncertain terms. He's part of the reason the Republican party is in such a mess...

[Midnight Tide]

Now there is an interesting bit of thought I hadn't considered.

Given the potential disruption that would be caused by such a discovery, that is truly frightening.

This needs resolution and it needs to be conclusive.

One way or the other.

That is why even if Obama had noble intentions in his presidency - he will be at the beck and call of the individuals who hold this evidence.

[Fishindinar]

If it is proven that Obama was not born in the USA then would Biden be made president? I know conspiracy theorist sound a little off the wall but
it seems that they are right. Read up on the illuminati, and you will see that Biden is one of them, they plan on killing off most of the population of the world. Now look at the latest news from Biden.

http://news.aol.co.uk/world-news/germ-attack-on-us-before-2013/article/2008120202505517718999

[EJAMM]

If it is proven that Obama was not born in the USA then would Biden be made president? I know conspiracy theorist sound a little off the wall but
it seems that they are right. Read up on the illuminati, and you will see that Biden is one of them, they plan on killing off most of the population of the world. Now look at the latest news from Biden.

http://news.aol.co.uk/world-news/germ-attack-on-us-before-2013/article/2008120202505517718999

Your link does not work..."Page not found"

Interested in how the link between the Illuminati and "Joe the Biden" was made.

According to US law Biden would indeed become President in the event the The President-elect was unable to the fill the elected post.

My thoughs

[97ChameleonTA]

Your link does not work..."Page not found"

Interested in how the link between the Illuminati and "Joe the Biden" was made.

According to US law Biden would indeed become President in the event the The President-elect was unable to the fill the elected post.

My thoughs

Not too sure about that. I would think that any decisions made by the ineligible president would be reversed if this proves to be true. One of those decisions, I would think, would be his selection for vice president.

No?

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Not too sure about that. I would think that any decisions made by the ineligible president would be reversed if this proves to be true. One of those decisions, I would think, would be his selection for vice president.

No?

Ejamm is correct

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 20

1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

[GypsyRose]

That is why even if Obama had noble intentions in his presidency - he will be at the beck and call of the individuals who hold this evidence.


Hillary's name pops into my mind !! Since Phillip Berg was the first to bring this one up and he is one of Bill and Hillary's bestest friends ever !!

:frown:

[GypsyRose]

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

...and there is the 1000$ question answered - Thanks Daddy !!