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tmorr37
12-02-2008, 07:07 PM
RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS CHALLENGE CLIMATE CHANGE CONSENSUS - Russian scientists ‘reject the very idea that carbon dioxide may be responsible for global warming’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/a4230d9c51) - The Hindu - India’s National Newspaper: July 10, 2008:

‘Considerable presence’ of global warming skeptics exist, science group admits (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/ee888a9c6e) - July 16, 2008 - Australian Herald

India Issues Report Challenging Global Warming Fears (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/b52890f84c/FuseAction=PressRoom.Facts&ContentRecord_id=09DF614E-802A-23AD-46C9-8A90FCB5569A) - July 9, 2008

Team of 13 International Scientists Write Letter To UN Sec. Gen. - IPCC ‘Must be called to account and cease its deceptive practices’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/8b4c95d6e7) - 14th of July, 2008)

Australian scientist reverses view on man-made warming! Now says ‘new evidence has seriously weakened’ the case (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/c8c6681c4c) - (By Mathematician, Rocket Scientist & Engineer Dr. David Evans, who did carbon accounting for the Australian Government) - July 18, 2008)

Nobel Prize Winner for Physics Declares Himself Dissenter ‘I am a skeptic’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/7305406666) - July 2, 2008

Top UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Turns on IPCC. Calls Warming Fears: ‘Worst scientific scandal in the history’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/cf2755c00e) - June 27, 2008 - By Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist who specializes in optical waveguide spectroscopy from the Yokohama National University, also contributed to the 2007 UN IPCC AR4 (fourth assessment report) as an expert reviewer.)

New scientific paper shows CO2’s effect on temperature was overstated 500-2000% (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/504768755e/option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=1) - Published in Physics and Society journal of the American Physical Society - July 2008)

Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Roy Spencer, formerly of NASA, presented ‘smoking gun’ analysis showing UN IPCC models ‚Äösignificantly overstated climate sensitivity to human climate forcings’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/5258af817a) - June 17, 2008

Arctic ice INCREASES by nearly a half million square miles over this time last year (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/e5a8e29e44) - July 18, 2008

New Study Exposes UN IPCC as ‘single-interest organization’ with echo chamber process (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/190b030d45) - July 15, 2008 - By Climate data analyst John McLean

Atmospheric Physicist James Peden Dissents from man-made CO2 Fears - ‘The so-called Greenhouse Effect is a Myth’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/2e158c7119/Entry=8878) - Peden is formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh and Extranuclear Laboratories in Blawnox, Pennsylvania, studying ion-molecule reactions in the upper atmosphere.)

South African Scientist: ‘There is no evidence man-made CO2 causes climate change’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/138a4d8b58/a_id=136273) - By Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa’s Atomic Energy Corporation.

Climatologist dismisses extreme weather predictions due to man-made warming as ‘complete nonsense’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/fde816cb50) - Climatologist Stewart Franks

Another Scientist Smacks Down Fear Mongers: Midwest Floods and ‘Completely Unjustified’ Climate Change Fear Mongering (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/abb25ca188) - June 22, 2008 - By Mike Smith is a certified consulting meteorologist and a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society He is CEO of WeatherData Services, Inc., an AccuWeather Company, based in Wichita.

Another scientist Dissents: MIT’s Rose: Cooler heads needed in global warming debate (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/06289b955e) (By Robert Rose is a professor of Materials Science and Engineering at MIT with approximately 50 years of experience teaching various scientific disciplines at the graduate and undergraduate levels)

Veteran UN Climate Scientist Resigns Science Group in Protest: “AN ORCHESTRATED LITANY OF LIES” (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/0a332ea6f6/option=com_content&task=view&id=312&Itemid=1) By UN IPCC Chemist Dr. Vincent Gray

Prominent scientist refutes his own theory, finds warming does not increase hurricanes (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/495f6c9f29/id=909e4b84-eb40-4088-950e-e7ed8200e880) - July 15, 2008 - Dr. Kerry Emanuel, an MIT professor of atmospheric science

Another prominent hurricane expert reconsiders view: New study says global warming not worsening hurricanes (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/c3cc0431c2) - May 19, 2008 - By Meteorologist Tom Knutson of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s fluid dynamics lab in Princeton, N.J.

Arctic ice has actually increased by nearly a half million square miles over this time last year (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/28eb2f80a2)- July 18, 2008

Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/afeb6461c1/FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=5CEAEDB7-802A-23AD-4BFE-9E32747616F9)
UK Scientist Calls Man-Made Warming Fears ‘Dangerous Nonsense of the Age’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/7f9535d5a4) - July 17, 2008 - By BiogeographyProfessor Philip Stott, emeritus of the University of London

Oceans Cooling! Scientists puzzled by “mystery of global warming’s missing heat” (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/b7ff4e5fa3/storyId=88520025) - Marc 19, 2008

Climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer, formerly of NASA, found not one peer-reviewed paper has ‘ruled out a natural cause for most of our recent warmth’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/a238e15ac4/aid=828) - March 20, 2008

UN IPCC in ‘Panic Mode’ as Earth Fails to Warm, Scientist says (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/e9311a91d6) - March 25, 2008

Scientists find dust free atmosphere may be responsible for up to .36 F rise in global temps (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/2dd969e40d) - March 3, 2008

Analysis in peer-reviewed journal finds cold periods - not warm periods - see increase in floods, droughts, storms, famine (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/d56444974d) - April 24, 2008

MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen’s March 2008 presentation of data from the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office found the Earth has had “no statistically significant warming since 1995.” (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/27d9cc7f64)

An International team of scientists released a March 2008 report to counter UN IPCC, declaring: “Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate” (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/3d0be7bbd9)Emitting MORE CO2 may ‘be good for life on Earth’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/8e029a9bec/q=MWJlODMxYmUzYWNmZGZiM2NhNmExYTYyNDUzYmViZjQ=), says climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer, formerly of NASA in May 2008.

New Report finds global sea ice GROWING: ‘World sea ice in April 2008 reached levels that were ‘unprecedented’ for the month of April in over 25 years.’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/220c77dfc7/p=3066)
Former Colorado State Climatologist Pielke Sr. Rails Against ‘Abuse of the scientific method’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/c74304fa83) in global warming study
Swedish scientists: ‘No concrete global warming proof in polar region’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/f7df990872) - June 21, 2008
Study: ‘Absolutely no evidence of warming for all of Antarctica’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/72c2a761b9) - July 1, 2008 - Study conducted by Vesa Laine of the Finnish Meteorological Institute in Helsinki; the work was funded by the Academy of Finland and the Finnish Funding Agency for Technology and Innovation
Flashback: ‘Global Warming Will Stop,’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/de30eb1493/FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=A17DEFA8-802A-23AD-4912-8AB7138A7C3F) New Peer-Reviewed Study Says - Global Warming Takes a Break for Nearly 20 Years? (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/be3c6674ba/FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=A17DEFA8-802A-23AD-4912-8AB7138A7C3F)
Cooling Underway: Global Temperature Continues to Drop in May - ‘Significantly Colder’ - 16-month temperature drop of -0.774¬∞C! (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/bfdf0ee834/FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=53DE09DC-802A-23AD-4EC4-C8ACCD44A47D)
Alaska sees ‘longest stretch of no-nineties in the Alaska climate record, since 1904’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/d475f0b366) - June 25, 2008 - By Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks

Peru declares state of emergency due to record-breaking cold spell - 61 children die (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/72fd7dfb92) - June 19, 2008

Meteorologist says Man-Made Global Warming Movement ‘Rapidly Running Out of Gas’ (http://cts.vresp.com/c/?AmericanPolicyCenter/fcf1afbcc3/a18e6edcab/2c391c5fee/p=7509) - In past year (By Meteorologist James Spann) - June 17, 2008


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6673

Daddy Needs Mils
12-02-2008, 07:17 PM
tmoor,

Tell us it ain't so!

You mean the few of us here on the IIF aren't the only ones that think this stuff to be "junk science"?

Either that....................Or we are far more powerful voices than we give ourselves credit for!:muscle:
http://www.becomeagenius.net/how-to-become-a-genius.jpg

geowhiz
12-02-2008, 08:15 PM
Ok, Ok, DNM and Tmorr win, severe glacial ablation well documented in Alaska, Argentina, Europe, Antarctica (and both Glacier Natl Park cirque summer ice and Mount Kilamanjaro glaciers almost gone), and the first completely navigated ice-free crossing last summer of the Arctic Ocean) none of this matters.. junk science all the way..

Whatever.. Enjoy the "wacky weather"..

JUSTAGIRL
12-02-2008, 11:09 PM
Ok, Ok, DNM and Tmorr win, severe glacial ablation well documented in Alaska, Argentina, Europe, Antarctica (and both Glacier Natl Park cirque summer ice and Mount Kilamanjaro glaciers almost gone), and the first completely navigated ice-free crossing last summer of the Arctic Ocean) none of this matters.. junk science all the way..

Whatever.. Enjoy the "wacky weather"..

Don't blame mankind - blame the Sun - and the hot spots under the Earth's crust. Besides, the weather has absolutely cooled off worldwide the last two years - or doesn't that count? I am sick of this cool weather here in California lately. BRRRRR! Where is it warmer? -We might move there. Any scientifically accurate advice is much appreciated. - JAG:sun::hi::kiss::cool-too:

geowhiz
12-02-2008, 11:15 PM
Don't blame mankind - blame the Sun - and the hot spots under the Earth's crust. Besides, the weather has absolutely cooled off worldwide the last two years - or doesn't that count? I am sick of this cool weather here in California lately. BRRRRR! Where is it warmer? -We might move there. Any scientifically accurate advice is much appreciated. - JAG:sun::hi::kiss::cool-too:

Im not blaming anybody, and I dont care if its man or nature, it's not a political issue IMO. If it feels colder where you are at, "me so happy", enjoy the weather. When I say our earth has a problem, Im going off measurements of actual glaciers where people go out and survey them with lasers and sticks and GPS and stuff like that.

Here is somebody you might want to contact. Tell him I sent you. He is a professor of "glaciology". He has spent multiple years measuring these things precisely.


http://www.spacegrant.montana.edu/Text/EPSCoR_Harper_Glacier.html

Wolverine
12-02-2008, 11:27 PM
http://www.spacegrant.montana.edu/Text/EPSCoR_Harper_Glacier.html

Some of the "sensitive people " on the forum might take offense to President Elect Obama being pictured in your new avatar !!

JUSTAGIRL
12-02-2008, 11:45 PM
Im not blaming anybody, and I dont care if its man or nature, it's not a political issue IMO. If it feels colder where you are at, "me so happy", enjoy the weather. When I say our earth has a problem, Im going off measurements of actual glaciers where people go out and survey them with lasers and sticks and GPS and stuff like that.

Here is somebody you might want to contact. Tell him I sent you. He is a professor of "glaciology". He has spent multiple years measuring these things precisely.


http://www.spacegrant.montana.edu/Text/EPSCoR_Harper_Glacier.html

Guess you haven't been updated in regards to the greenland glaciers. The cause is not the atmosphere, but the heating of the water near the glaciers by hot spots under the ocean floor. Even the U.S. Army has stated that civilization is not the cause, rather the Sun(2008 report). Just read this on another thread about Chemtrails, which I see you have posted on. Go to the first post and click on the link jeffrense.com. Since these reports however, things have changed.This past July, there were no flare-ups on the Sun's surface for 30 consecutive days - a new modern day record since these things were studied.We are in a cooling trend - this is the latest consensus by NON-AL Gore Scientists(you know, REAL SCIENTISTS). There are many scientists today who have declared GLOBAL WARMING THE SCAM OF THE CENTURY - its all over the internet - unless you only believe our young journalists, who graduated from "THE DAN RATHER SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM". - JMDO - JAG:sun::sun::sun::sun:

urbanwhitebear
12-02-2008, 11:53 PM
Don't blame mankind - blame the Sun - and the hot spots under the Earth's crust. Besides, the weather has absolutely cooled off worldwide the last two years - or doesn't that count? I am sick of this cool weather here in California lately. BRRRRR! Where is it warmer? -We might move there. Any scientifically accurate advice is much appreciated. - JAG:sun::hi::kiss::cool-too:

Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States

. http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Bart
12-03-2008, 12:05 AM
Huh.....

Say it ain't so. Do you mean we have to pull Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize! :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:

Don't argue with that big ball of fire in the sky. It has more power than all of our SUVs combined. and then some


Bart.

JUSTAGIRL
12-03-2008, 12:14 AM
Huh.....

Say it ain't so. Do you mean we have to pull Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize! :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:

Don't argue with that big ball of fire in the sky. It has more power than all of our SUVs combined. and then some


Bart.

MY DADDY SAYS that was a great sixties song - "BALL OF FIRE" - Tommy James/ Shondells - JAG:yes:

tmorr37
12-03-2008, 01:06 AM
Im not blaming anybody, and I dont care if its man or nature, it's not a political issue IMO. If it feels colder where you are at, "me so happy", enjoy the weather. When I say our earth has a problem, Im going off measurements of actual glaciers where people go out and survey them with lasers and sticks and GPS and stuff like that.

Here is somebody you might want to contact. Tell him I sent you. He is a professor of "glaciology". He has spent multiple years measuring these things precisely.


http://www.spacegrant.montana.edu/Text/EPSCoR_Harper_Glacier.html

Here is the Problem, you have to assume what is a normal temperature. The Earth has been here for millions of years and in it's past it has been much warmer and much colder then it is now.
So are we warming back to normal or what? Either way the World is in Constant flux. As far as Science and Al Gore are concerned, CO2 is not connected to the rise of the Temperature as Al Gore's Theory has been proven False and manipulated Data.

geowhiz
12-03-2008, 08:39 AM
Here is the Problem, you have to assume what is a normal temperature. The Earth has been here for millions of years and in it's past it has been much warmer and much colder then it is now.
So are we warming back to normal or what? Either way the World is in Constant flux. As far as Science and Al Gore are concerned, CO2 is not connected to the rise of the Temperature as Al Gore's Theory has been proven False and manipulated Data.


I agree, Earth has gone from molten to ice free to massive ice sheets and everything in-between. During the early Devonian much of North America was covered by shallow seas. But it's the weather that affects humans today that has to be the concern because there are now 6 billion people stinking up the place, and the bottom line is that if Greenland continues to melt at current rates then thousands of cities along coasts or near deltas are going to experience massive and very expensive flooding issues within our and our children's lifetimes. Creating a "blame-game" is silly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet

tmorr37
12-03-2008, 10:02 AM
I agree, Earth has gone from molten to ice free to massive ice sheets and everything in-between. During the early Devonian much of North America was covered by shallow seas. But it's the weather that affects humans today that has to be the concern because there are now 6 billion people stinking up the place, and the bottom line is that if Greenland continues to melt at current rates then thousands of cities along coasts or near deltas are going to experience massive and very expensive flooding issues within our and our children's lifetimes. Creating a "blame-game" is silly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet

Nobody is creating a Blame game, it is this, CO2 has no correlation to Global warming this has been Proven. Man Produces less than 3% of Co2 the Rest is from Nature. If the world is warming there is nothing we can do about it.

Why Punish the World through higher Food and Fuel Price. This is what the Gov is going to do. Things like Cap and Trade will do nothing but .................I'm not going to get into all this. Please go get an Education on the Subject before the rest of the world is reaping from your loss.
Cap and trade is nothing but Transfer of Wealth...Yours.
Other Countries will Less efficiently use Fuel and Create even high Co2 outputs and you will pay them to do it.

Thanks for not paying attention to your Gov. It is your Freedom that you will Loss. Your Forefathers have warned you.



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