Current, Past and Retired Military Question

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Thank you in advance for answering the question I am about to ask. I am including the oath that all military personnel take when joining one of the US branches of military.

I really would appraciate all candor in this.

To all other members, I ask for civility and no bashing of our soldiers/ troops, past or present.


Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment oath. The oath of enlistment into the United States Armed Forces is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military. The officer asks the person, or persons, to raise their right hand and repeat the oath after him. The oath is traditionally performed in front of the United States Flag and other flags, such as the state flag, military branch flag, and unit guidon may be present.


Example; Army and Air force/ Air Guard

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

If or when we reach a point of declaring Marshall Law on the American people, where do you stand? Behind the oath you have taken, or a man (even the President) that may be breaking that oath and or violating the Constitution?

i.e. Which comes first? the Constitution, or the President?

[TerryTate]

Well, an interesting question DNM, and loaded to boot. I have thought about asking it myself.

I'm not sure if it would be a good idea though for active duty members to publicly state their intentions should something like that occur. In today's technological environment who knows who or what is listening.

Not that I am not interested though.

Personally speaking I would hope that our military would support the constitution and protect the citizenry of this nation should the government be subverted to the whims of those in power.

It would certainly be something that, were I in the military, would want to give some thought to so that I would know what to do should the situation present itself.

I don't think that the constitution is going to be challenged in such an overt manner, so I don't think we will have the opportunity to stop it.

It is slowly and incrementally being destroyed.

You know, like cooking a lobster.

So, much so, that we don't even see it happening until its over.

[bikey]

Thank you in advance for answering the question I am about to ask. I am including the oath that all military personnel take when joining one of the US branches of military.

I really would appraciate all candor in this.

To all other members, I ask for civility and no bashing of our soldiers/ troops, past or present.



Example; Army and Air force/ Air Guard



If or when we reach a point of declaring Marshall Law on the American people, where do you stand? Behind the oath you have taken, or a man (even the President) that may be breaking that oath and or violating the Constitution?

i.e. Which comes first? the Constitution, or the President?


thats a tough one. but it clearly states in the oath the constitution. i always looked at it like i would defend the country to protect my loved ones and those who have noone to protect them. i think at this point in my life as far as marshall law it would depend on the circumstances of which it were implemented. but i can can guarantee you anything that would jeopardise the constitution or my family....lets just say i dont have my own small arsenal for nothing!

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Well, an interesting question DNM, and loaded to boot. I have thought about asking it myself.

I'm not sure if it would be a good idea though for active duty members to publicly state their intentions should something like that occur. In today's technological environment who knows who or what is listening.

Not that I am not interested though.

Personally speaking I would hope that our military would support the constitution and protect the citizenry of this nation should the government be subverted to the whims of those in power.

It would certainly be something that, were I in the military, would want to give some thought to so that I would know what to do.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the constitution is going to be challenged in such an overt manner.

It is slowly and incrementally being destroyed.

You know, like cooking a lobster.

So, much so, that we don't even see it happening until its over.

Thanks for this post TT.

I hadn't thought about the danger that the present military could put themselves into.

I guess this is a free for all then.:muscle:

[REITman]

If or when we reach a point of declaring Marshall Law on the American people, where do you stand?

Oh brother, if you're going to ask a question like this at least get it it right.

It's MARTIAL LAW not Marshall. :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Martial+law

I'll put on a uniform and come and drag you out of your house and beat you with a dictionary if the president says so. :giggle:

The troops won't have to worry about TT he'll pull out his gun but then realize he doesn't have any bullets. :bigsmile:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Oh brother, if you're going to ask a question like this at least get it it right.

It's MARTIAL LAW not Marshall. :yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Martial+law

I'll put on a uniform and come and drag you out of your house and beat you with a dictionary if the president says so. :giggle:

The troops won't have to worry about TT he'll pull out his gun but then realize he doesn't have any bullets. :bigsmile:

OOPS! My bad!

I was reading about the "Marshall Law School" Blago attended when the question popped into my mind....

And I have lots of ammo!

[tonysg]

I would hope that all these law enforcment officals and military would remember the 3rd amendment to the Bill of Rights that prohibits using the military to do any search & seizers during a time of peace.
I know that when I was a paratrooper such thoughts never entered my mind but i think I would consider it wrong if I was asked to detain or use deadly force against the people I was sworn to defend

[EJAMM]

I have recited the Oath of Enlistment 5 times in my career. I am sworn to defend the Constitution but there are some things you should know.

1. "and the orders of the officers appointed over me", has to be a lawful order. We in the military do not have to follow all orders, and the "lawful" part can sometimes be skewed.

2. " defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", the domestic enemy is the hardest to identify. Should the President or anyone else for that matter try to overthrow the government, for instance, they would be deemed domestic enemies.

I am an American first, Air Force 2nd.

My thoughts

[REITman]

OOPS! My bad!

I was reading about the "Marshall Law School" Blago attended when the question popped into my mind....

And I have lots of ammo!

Yeah right :giggle:, I suppose Bikey was too.

Since you have lots of ammo you should share some with TT, it's really sad. :crying:

[14thcorps]

The constitution has been violated numerous times, even before now. Let us not forget how President Lincoln used his executive office to this as well. Never had the constitution been overtly violated during the time of the "civil war" (which it wasn't a civil war). Obama is being compared to Lincoln now. We may very well get another Lincoln.

[TerryTate]

Yeah right :giggle:, I suppose Bikey was too.

Since you have lots of ammo you should share some with TT, it's really sad. :crying:

Not to worry Reit, I'm buying a case of ammo a week.

You want to come over and shoot some rounds?

Oh come on, it's only paper targets.

Everytime I pull the trigger its $0.36.

Oh what fun we can have.

Care to come on over and help me waste some money and ammo?

Remember, ever bullet you shoot in fun is one less bullet for you to worry about.

:hi:

:angel:

[REITman]

Remember, ever bullet you shoot in fun is one less bullet for you to worry about.

:hi:

:angel:

Thanks for the invite TT but i'd probably shoot myself in the foot :giggle:. You make a good point about using up the fun bullets though. :yes:

Ready on the left, ready on the right, ready on the firing line......FIRE!
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[Copedawg]

I have recited the Oath of Enlistment 5 times in my career. I am sworn to defend the Constitution but there are some things you should know.

1. "and the orders of the officers appointed over me", has to be a lawful order. We in the military do not have to follow all orders, and the "lawful" part can sometimes be skewed.

2. " defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", the domestic enemy is the hardest to identify. Should the President or anyone else for that matter try to overthrow the government, for instance, they would be deemed domestic enemies.

I am an American first, Air Force 2nd.

My thoughts

I would like to echo EJAMM's words and add, "and the orders of the officers appointed over me" wich are not limited to commissioned officers but to include your first noncommissioned officer appointed over you (squad leader, Platoon SGT, 1SG and so on), who is not only the first person in your NCO support chain but is also your first in your chain of command.


is that a run on sentance or what? I hope REITman doesn't beat me with a grammer book. :yelrotflmao:

[REITman]

is that a run on sentance or what? I hope REITman doesn't beat me with a grammer book. :yelrotflmao:

GRAMMAR!!!

I'll stick a comma in where the sun don't shine!! :yelrotflmao:

[ibyumper]

Thank you in advance for answering the question I am about to ask. I am including the oath that all military personnel take when joining one of the US branches of military.

I really would appraciate all candor in this.

To all other members, I ask for civility and no bashing of our soldiers/ troops, past or present.



Example; Army and Air force/ Air Guard



If or when we reach a point of declaring Marshall Law on the American people, where do you stand? Behind the oath you have taken, or a man (even the President) that may be breaking that oath and or violating the Constitution?

i.e. Which comes first? the Constitution, or the President?

The oath you have there is for non-commissioned officers....officers do not have the part of the oath dealing with obeying the orders of those above us...only to protect and defend the constitution....

[Artemus]

Thank you in advance for answering the question I am about to ask. I am including the oath that all military personnel take when joining one of the US branches of military.

I really would appraciate all candor in this.

To all other members, I ask for civility and no bashing of our soldiers/ troops, past or present.



Example; Army and Air force/ Air Guard



If or when we reach a point of declaring Marshall Law on the American people, where do you stand? Behind the oath you have taken, or a man (even the President) that may be breaking that oath and or violating the Constitution?

i.e. Which comes first? the Constitution, or the President?

That question is not as tough as one might think,........I would stand behind the Constitution and the American people, if the President is a userper then he isn't the president at all, just deport him with his Aunty and queer buddy. :bigsmile:

[LongShot]

Well i can answer this without repercussions so......I would stand behind the people because there is no way ever that the people could be the threat to freedom only the government can IMHO.

This country has laws and mechanisms in place to ensure freedom and liberty and only the government could take that away enough to get the people to rise up. IMHO

That being said back when i was in; the country was nothing like it is now so my view might have been different.

To me th oath was to defend the country which is the people and not the government, I didn't do what I did for the government I did what I did for the people of the country.

Also the circumstances of why martial law was declared plays a big role in the decision.

Constitution comes before the President for me anyway.

My mindset in my answer above is not of past but of our present situation just to be a tad more clear in why i answer the way i did.

[LongShot]

I also agree with whomever said it that active enlistees refrain from answering.....I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble.

[ptolemy]

The military takes an oath to defend the Constitution...! But, when that document is being hijacked, then what does the military do? This is a fair question.

IMO free men/women will not consent to give up their liberties for a bunch of thugs that are attempting to hijack our freedoms and rights. The military will HAVE to side with the people. Lets hope there are those in the military who are WISE enough to see it the same way!!!

[ptolemy]

well i can answer this without repercussions so......i would stand behind the people because there is no way ever that the people could be the threat to freedom only the government can imho.

This country has laws and mechanisms in place to ensure freedom and liberty and only the government could take that away enough to get the people to rise up. Imho

that being said back when i was in; the country was nothing like it is now so my view might have been different.

To me th oath was to defend the country which is the people and not the government, i didn't do what i did for the government i did what i did for the people of the country.

Also the circumstances of why martial law was declared plays a big role in the decision.

Constitution comes before the president for me anyway.

My mindset in my answer above is not of past but of our present situation just to be a tad more clear in why i answer the way i did.


god bless you!!!

[acrtech]

I took the oath 5 times. I would not take it now if I were in the military. Anybody want some free Obama dolls. Just look down the toilet and pick it up after you have done number 2

[ptolemy]

The military takes an oath to defend the Constitution...! But, when that document is being hijacked, then what does the military do? This is a fair question.

IMO free men/women will not consent to give up their liberties for a bunch of thugs that are attempting to hijack our freedoms and rights. The military will HAVE to side with the people. Lets hope there are those in the military who are WISE enough to see it the same way!!!


When the CIA that is under investigation by the marxists and the military that has asked for more men to fight in Afghanistan get NO response from the CIC . Then he's either incompetent or he is a COMMIE who is out to change the "system".

My question to the military, however, has been...; since the Constitution is being subverted by the marxists in more ways than one then what the hell is the brass doing sitting on their asse$$? They are suppose to be defending the Constitution and the people. Will it require an "uprising" by the people?

[Zerep11]

In the oath we are to "Support & Defend" the US Constitution, against all enemies, foreign, domestic, or any person / entity that perverts it, to include the government or the president, all of whom swore to do the same thing. So no, we serve the US Constitution & the American People - not the presidency - for they are all to serve America & Her Citizens.

However, since Ho-Bama has stated that the US Constitution is 'basically flawed', he thereby admitted openly when he made this statement that he is an enemy of the state.

[ptolemy]

I took the oath 5 times. I would not take it now if I were in the military. Anybody want some free Obama dolls. Just look down the toilet and pick it up after you have done number 2


There are many who feel the same way. Problem is the idiots who are in the WH look at their sh-t and as Peter Sparks said to one of his own constituents that..., he would not waste his own urine on the constituent."

This is what the marxists think of the PATRIOTS in this country...!!! iT'S TIME TO GET READY FOLKS...!!!