Halliburton wages

[Silver Spoon]

I was just informed by my Husband that the Stars and Stripes ran a story about a lawsuit involving Halliburton, KBR and SEII. So I went to the site of Lopez-Hodes and this is what I found......read and follow up here.

http://www.lopezhodes.com/wstv/halliburton.php

[BugmanIraq]

Ambulance chasers!

[firedawg2000]

That law firm will have to get in line with all the others. There are several going after Halliburton/KBR.

[stargazer1968]

And we wonder why all of U.S. corporations shut down shop in the U.S. and take their business elsewhere where people are just happy to have a job.

[zbamboo]

I work for KBR. I spent a year in Iraq and am now in GTMO. I met several people who were so happy to get hired but as soon as they arrived, they complained about not getting paid overtime. They signed an employment agreement which clearly stated the terms of remuneration. They didn't have to accept the job. Now they want to change the terms. The lawyers didn't do this.:no:

[Goalie Interference]

That law firm will have to get in line with all the others. There are several going after Halliburton/KBR.

And if you watch their progress, you will witness virtually every one of them fail miserably. They're nothing more than a bunch of squirrels scrambling for nuts.

[JeezIDunno]

Please delete this... I got an error message the first time I tried to submit, and didn't realize my post went through twice. Thanks :o)

[JeezIDunno]

And we wonder why all of U.S. corporations shut down shop in the U.S. and take their business elsewhere where people are just happy to have a job.


I AM happy to have a job. However I've been told that according to Halliburton's contract with the Army, we are supposed to get paid uplift on EVERY hour we work, not just the first 40 hours a week. I don't know if this is true or not, and no, I don't have any way to prove it. I do know however that if it turns out to be true, I'll be damned if I don't attempt to get the money I am legally and rightfully entitled to.

Like I said, I am very happy that I am over here making the money that I am making. Of course I wouldn't make this kind of money in the States... but IF what I've been told is true, then why should Halliburton be allowed to screw around with its employees the way it is? Why is everyone so quick to make the "ambulance chasers" and "we're just never satisfied" type of comments?

Believe me, I've had many opportunities in my time to try and sue someone or some company and probably could've won... but these were petty little things that I didn't care enough to follow up on. Halliburton however, is a HUGE corporation who is KNOWN to screw around with finances. Regardless of what my contract says, if this rumor is true I am entitled to every penny. And IF it is true, then my contract is bogus anyway because it is incorrect... whether I signed it or not.

I'll say one more time: I AM VERY HAPPY AND GRATEFUL to have this job, but I WILL be unhappy if I find out I am being taken advantage of. And I WILL do what I can to try and fix it.

Tina

[icarusII]

Here is an excerpt from the Congressional Testimony from the SIGIR.
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html
Attestation Engagement Report concerning the Award of
Non-competitive Contract DACA63-03-D-0005 to Kellogg, Brown
and Root Services, Inc.
SIGIR 05-019, September 30, 2005
The Director of the Defense Reconstruction Support Office-Iraq (DRSO) asked
SIGIR to provide an attestation on a non-competitively awarded contract that
Kellogg, Brown and Root obtained before the 2003 Iraq war. SIGIR performed
the attestation based on agreed-upon procedures of both DRSO and the UN
International Advisory and Monitoring Board. The purpose of the attestation
was to determine whether the non-competitive award of the contract was
appropriately justified and whether the goods and services delivered and billed
for were those required under the contract.

Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction
October 30, 2005
Report to Congress

SIGIR concluded that the use of the non-competitive contract was appropriately justified and that the goods and services delivered and billed for were those required under the contract. SIGIR’s review of the contract files revealed that:
1. The non-competitive award of contract number DACA63-03-D-0005 to Brown and Root Services, a division of Kellogg, Brown and Root was properly justified.
2. The contract was a cost-plus award-fee (CPAF) indefinite-delivery,
indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract. The final determination of fair and
reasonable price was not made until the Defense Contract Audit Agency
(DCAA) conducted the final incurred cost audit.
3. The only individual authorized by U. S. Code, Title 41, Section 253, to
approve non-competitive contracting actions in excess of $50 million
is the Assistant Secretary of the Army (Acquisition, Logistics and
Technology). The Assistant Secretary of the Army (Acquisition, Logistics
and Technology) signed the Justification and Approval for the contract.
4. The goods and services received and paid for with DFI funds under the
contract were the goods and services required by in the contract.
5. The total amount of DFI fund disbursements under the contract did not
exceed the total amount obligated for the contract.
Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations.

[Javabear]

I know there is a lot of controversey about the uplift we get. Is there anyway to actually read through the contract and see what it says? I know when I worked for a Navy contractor, the contract was on the internet if you knew where to look.

Rumor had it a few months ago that the KBR truck drivers sued over the uplift and won, but KBR was appealing the ruling. I haven't heard any more than that in a few months.

[myranchretirement]

I AM happy to have a job. However I've been told that according to Halliburton's contract with the Army, we are supposed to get paid uplift on EVERY hour we work, not just the first 40 hours a week. I don't know if this is true or not, and no, I don't have any way to prove it. I do know however that if it turns out to be true, I'll be damned if I don't attempt to get the money I am legally and rightfully entitled to.

Like I said, I am very happy that I am over here making the money that I am making. Of course I wouldn't make this kind of money in the States... but IF what I've been told is true, then why should Halliburton be allowed to screw around with its employees the way it is? Why is everyone so quick to make the "ambulance chasers" and "we're just never satisfied" type of comments?

Believe me, I've had many opportunities in my time to try and sue someone or some company and probably could've won... but these were petty little things that I didn't care enough to follow up on. Halliburton however, is a HUGE corporation who is KNOWN to screw around with finances. Regardless of what my contract says, if this rumor is true I am entitled to every penny. And IF it is true, then my contract is bogus anyway because it is incorrect... whether I signed it or not.

I'll say one more time: I AM VERY HAPPY AND GRATEFUL to have this job, but I WILL be unhappy if I find out I am being taken advantage of. And I WILL do what I can to try and fix it.

Tina


Uh Yeah. I work for KBR as well. Apparently no one read the part in the contract where it states that the uplift is based on 40 hours. They also can terminate you at anytime without cause and it states it in there. Before you leave Houston You sign that contract agreeing to its terms. If you didn't read it then thats on you and don't tell me you did because you would have known what you were getting yourself into as far as the uplift if you had and by your signature, you agreed to it.

[myranchretirement]

I know there is a lot of controversey about the uplift we get. Is there anyway to actually read through the contract and see what it says? I know when I worked for a Navy contractor, the contract was on the internet if you knew where to look.

Rumor had it a few months ago that the KBR truck drivers sued over the uplift and won, but KBR was appealing the ruling. I haven't heard any more than that in a few months.


That rumor was total bunk. Just that a rumor.

[firedawg2000]

Uh Yeah. I work for KBR as well. Apparently no one read the part in the contract where it states that the uplift is based on 40 hours. They also can terminate you at anytime without cause and it states it in there. Before you leave Houston You sign that contract agreeing to its terms. If you didn't read it then thats on you and don't tell me you did because you would have known what you were getting yourself into as far as the uplift if you had and by your signature, you agreed to it.

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

[JeezIDunno]

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for saving me the time :D

[icarusII]

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

FireDawg2000.......the overseas contract KBR is working within is a "contingency ops" military contract. These have exclusions from the FLSA.
As you are aware, there are MANY "watchdog" auditing agencies reviewing compliance to the specs of this contract. Special congressional reports are filed quarterly by the Special Inspector General on Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR). After a comprehensive review of the KBR contract....."Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations"
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html

Icarus

[firedawg2000]

FireDawg2000.......the overseas contract KBR is working within is a "contingency ops" military contract. These have exclusions from the FLSA.
As you are aware, there are MANY "watchdog" auditing agencies reviewing compliance to the specs of this contract. Special congressional reports are filed quarterly by the Special Inspector General on Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR). After a comprehensive review of the KBR contract....."Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations"
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html

Icarus

I cant seem to pull up that website. It keeps timing out. I'm wondering who SIGIR is affiliated with and who assigned them to do the audit. I know these contracts are constantly audited, but I'm pretty sure it's geared more towards how they're spending on materials, equipment, DFACS, subcontracts,etc. If you can send me an excerpt out of their audits that specifies wages if you could.

You don't need to worry about all this considering the big dollars you make. This concerns us little guys. You just go out the back of your villa to the swimming pool and soak your feet while the rest of us sweat this out.:happy26:

[icarusII]

I cant seem to pull up that website. It keeps timing out. I'm wondering who SIGIR is affiliated with and who assigned them to do the audit. I know these contracts are constantly audited, but I'm pretty sure it's geared more towards how they're spending on materials, equipment, DFACS, subcontracts,etc. If you can send me an excerpt out of their audits that specifies wages if you could.

You don't need to worry about all this considering the big dollars you make. This concerns us little guys. You just go out the back of your villa to the swimming pool and soak your feet while the rest of us sweat this out.:happy26:
:lmao:
SIGIR is a special task force set up by the government to oversee all US money spent in Iraq. DCMA/DCAA are the field groups for this task force. They specifically looked at the KBR contract with a FINE toothed comb. The wage/salary structure was particularly scrutinized due to its percentage of the overall contract dollars. No significant findings were found.....other than the specific request for my pay raise was considered too much!

Swimming pools and movie stars.......it's all good in Kuwait. Happy Eid!

Later,
Icarus

[paynes1]

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/home.html


Please dont stone me because I know some of you work there.

[icarusII]

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/home.html


Please dont stone me because I know some of you work there.
LOL.........no stones at all. Interesting site......just a little tainted reporting that's all.

Icarus

[Javabear]

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

Just because 2 people agree to something, doesn't make it legal. It actually makes it a conspiracy.

[myranchretirement]

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.


No, what you mean is it doesnt make it right because some of those signed a contract to work over here EXPATRIATED on a military base under MILITARY law not united states laws. As an EXPAT, you give up certain laws to come work over here. It is you're choice to work over here. KBR has done nothing wrong and if some people are going to gripe and complain about it then they need to go back home where they are protected under those certain laws and work for $8 an hour. in working over here, a person makes a lot of money. When people start complaining they arent making enough, that just show's how many greedy people are over here.

[Javabear]

No, what you mean is it doesnt make it right because some of those signed a contract to work over here EXPATRIATED on a military base under MILITARY law not united states laws. As an EXPAT, you give up certain laws to come work over here. It is you're choice to work over here. KBR has done nothing wrong and if some people are going to gripe and complain about it then they need to go back home where they are protected under those certain laws and work for $8 an hour. in working over here, a person makes a lot of money. When people start complaining they arent making enough, that just show's how many greedy people are over here.

and your lack of greed is exactly why you bought Iraqi dinar!!!:happy64:

[myranchretirement]

and your lack of greed is exactly why you bought Iraqi dinar!!!:happy64:

My and everyone elses reason for buying the dinar has nothing to do with the legality of the contract and some of these people are working for KBR. I certainly want a nest egg like everyone else in the world and I saw an opportunity to help in my endeavor to provide for my family and my retirement if and/or when this investment happens. Mine is not greed. I accept the terms of the contract I signed. Apparently some do not.

[Javabear]

In reality I think most people (including myself) think that KBR is getting over on us somehow. That is why I would like to see the contract for myself. If the gov't. is paying uplifts for all hours worked, then I believe I should be paid for that. If the gov't. is not paying uplifts over the first 40 hours, then so be it.

Yes, I read and signed the employment contract, but just about everyone I have talked to has told me that their recruiter lied to them. I know mine did. The only scrap of truth I got from him was that it would be hot in the summer and that I might have to live in a tent. I signed the contract because I was already in Houston after having quit my job at home and had zero prospects of finding another. I figured I might as well give it a try and see what happens. I've been here almost 8 months now and continue to get jacked around by KBR monetarily. My pay has been messed up for the last 6 months and it takes an act of congress to get anyone in HR, payroll, finance, or project management to do their job and help me get to the bottom of it.

[myranchretirement]

In reality I think most people (including myself) think that KBR is getting over on us somehow. That is why I would like to see the contract for myself. If the gov't. is paying uplifts for all hours worked, then I believe I should be paid for that. If the gov't. is not paying uplifts over the first 40 hours, then so be it.

Yes, I read and signed the employment contract, but just about everyone I have talked to has told me that their recruiter lied to them. I know mine did. The only scrap of truth I got from him was that it would be hot in the summer and that I might have to live in a tent. I signed the contract because I was already in Houston after having quit my job at home and had zero prospects of finding another. I figured I might as well give it a try and see what happens. I've been here almost 8 months now and continue to get jacked around by KBR monetarily. My pay has been messed up for the last 6 months and it takes an act of congress to get anyone in HR, payroll, finance, or project management to do their job and help me get to the bottom of it.

Mine is just the oppossite. i read the contract and knew of what i was getting myself into. I am paid what I am supposed to be paid every month. My recruiter didn't lie to me. She told me flat out what was going to be my job and the pay rate before I ever went to houston. You and others are certainly disgruntled. There are certain avenues you can taken thru inner company channels if you so choose to resolve your pay disputes. Start with EAP and he/she will point you in the correct direction or you can continue to complain. As far as the KBR contract and you seeing it, good luck.

[Javabear]

Don't worry MRR, I have 4 months left until my contract is up and then I go home. I have succeeded in getting down the original amount my pay was messed up (down to about $1700 from a little over $10k), and I hope to have it squared away before I go home.

Hopefully, the dinar will do something and I won't need to worry about my finding my next job, but if it doesn't I will see about coming back to Iraq with one of the other contractors.

[myranchretirement]

Don't worry MRR, I have 4 months left until my contract is up and then I go home. I have succeeded in getting down the original amount my pay was messed up (down to about $1700 from a little over $10k), and I hope to have it squared away before I go home.

Hopefully, the dinar will do something and I won't need to worry about my finding my next job, but if it doesn't I will see about coming back to Iraq with one of the other contractors.


Oh I'm not worried. As I stated before, it was your choice to come over here. I have heard things from people of other companies as well saying things have been screwed up on their pay. That happens in the states as well. Don't make like its just KBR and also, the grass is not always greener on the other side. For the most part KBR does pretty well I would have to say.

[Javabear]

Oh I'm not worried. As I stated before, it was your choice to come over here. I have heard things from people of other companies as well saying things have been screwed up on their pay. That happens in the states as well. Don't make like its just KBR and also, the grass is not always greener on the other side. For the most part KBR does pretty well I would have to say.

I'm not saying it's just KBR and I have had it happen in the states as well, but it has never taken the better part of 6 months to get it straightened out. As for companies that continually screw up the pay...I find somewhere else to go.

[Laurali]

Interesting posts from everyone. Being a FORMER KBR employee, the company smacks of the days of the ENRON scandal -- in my opinion. When a company sends out a pre-audit team to COACH us on how we should answer the questions from the DCMA audit team as to whether we think we cannot do out jobs in less than 12 hours a day, and has so much FLUFFY positions just to bring in some more CP revenue and falsely justify it's manpower requirements by making up things for the BOE, NOT TO FORGET the people put in positions that they are not qualified for, then the company needs to be analyzed from every angle. Why??? Because it's our tax dollars being stolen from us to fund a greedy company. I will never work for KBR again even if I am on the streets. I have too much dignity and self respect to support them after the hell they put a lot of decent hard working employees through. And, if the military hears the words, "It's not in the scope of work," so that KBR can turn them down for fixing a tiny little wall socket or providing someone with a key to their room or a .50 light bulb, they will give them the boot. Greedy, self-serving with no concept of customer service is what they are made of. I can't thank God enough for getting me away from KBR. I could go on and on about the waste, fraud, and unorganized fashion they operate. I had such high hopes and was extremely grateful to come out here with KBR since I had worked for them in the states. But, I have absolutely no respect for them whatsoever now. And as far as the uplift, I also heard that the company was being paid 65% by the government while the employees were getting only 55%. And, if you calculate it, the uplift and hours we worked turned out to be nothing more than if we were in the states getting 40 hours of straight time, and time and a half for the 44 OT hours. The only difference we are getting is the tax break. Yes, there are other companies out there. I do suggest that anyone wanting to venture to another company, to stay clear of Kuwaiti companies. They have a warped approach to dealing with Americans as their employees, and truly do not like them. They seem to forget that if it wasn't for the US, they wouldn't be prospering in their country, as well as now making money in Iraq.

[Silver Spoon]

Whoa Gang.....play nice. Look this was a ad in the Stars & Stripes and I posted it to get some feed back. I hate to read all this bickering but I guess it proves that this is why we have Judges and Lawyers(ambulance chasers). When each side feels this strongly we need moderators and a fair and honest ruling. Every party that this ruling could affect has the right to be informed.

[myranchretirement]

Interesting posts from everyone. Being a FORMER KBR employee, the company smacks of the days of the ENRON scandal -- in my opinion. When a company sends out a pre-audit team to COACH us on how we should answer the questions from the DCMA audit team as to whether we think we cannot do out jobs in less than 12 hours a day, and has so much FLUFFY positions just to bring in some more CP revenue and falsely justify it's manpower requirements by making up things for the BOE, NOT TO FORGET the people put in positions that they are not qualified for, then the company needs to be analyzed from every angle. Why??? Because it's our tax dollars being stolen from us to fund a greedy company. I will never work for KBR again even if I am on the streets. I have too much dignity and self respect to support them after the hell they put a lot of decent hard working employees through. And, if the military hears the words, "It's not in the scope of work," so that KBR can turn them down for fixing a tiny little wall socket or providing someone with a key to their room or a .50 light bulb, they will give them the boot. Greedy, self-serving with no concept of customer service is what they are made of. I can't thank God enough for getting me away from KBR. I could go on and on about the waste, fraud, and unorganized fashion they operate. I had such high hopes and was extremely grateful to come out here with KBR since I had worked for them in the states. But, I have absolutely no respect for them whatsoever now. And as far as the uplift, I also heard that the company was being paid 65% by the government while the employees were getting only 55%. And, if you calculate it, the uplift and hours we worked turned out to be nothing more than if we were in the states getting 40 hours of straight time, and time and a half for the 44 OT hours. The only difference we are getting is the tax break. Yes, there are other companies out there. I do suggest that anyone wanting to venture to another company, to stay clear of Kuwaiti companies. They have a warped approach to dealing with Americans as their employees, and truly do not like them. They seem to forget that if it wasn't for the US, they wouldn't be prospering in their country, as well as now making money in Iraq.


That i will agree with.

[JASONTL]

I had very high hopes and expectations coming to work for KBR. I was also very discouraged after seeing first hand what was going on in managment. it took me a long time to realize that there wasn't a whole lot I could do but do the best I could without poking my head up to high above water. They key (if you can accept it) is to "float". Don't do too much too fast or you will be pushed down and drowned. Don't do enough, and you will be pushed down and drowned. It is espiecally difficult for someone with high standards to work in this environment. KBR (Kin, Brothers, and Relatives), holds true espiecally in managment. I too am thankful for my job. I can't make this money back home. Being prior military myself, it is very rewarding helping our military.

[icarusII]

Interesting posts from everyone. Being a FORMER KBR employee, the company smacks of the days of the ENRON scandal -- in my opinion. When a company sends out a pre-audit team to COACH us on how we should answer the questions from the DCMA audit team as to whether we think we cannot do out jobs in less than 12 hours a day, and has so much FLUFFY positions just to bring in some more CP revenue and falsely justify it's manpower requirements by making up things for the BOE, NOT TO FORGET the people put in positions that they are not qualified for, then the company needs to be analyzed from every angle. Why??? Because it's our tax dollars being stolen from us to fund a greedy company. I will never work for KBR again even if I am on the streets. I have too much dignity and self respect to support them after the hell they put a lot of decent hard working employees through. And, if the military hears the words, "It's not in the scope of work," so that KBR can turn them down for fixing a tiny little wall socket or providing someone with a key to their room or a .50 light bulb, they will give them the boot. Greedy, self-serving with no concept of customer service is what they are made of. I can't thank God enough for getting me away from KBR. I could go on and on about the waste, fraud, and unorganized fashion they operate. I had such high hopes and was extremely grateful to come out here with KBR since I had worked for them in the states. But, I have absolutely no respect for them whatsoever now. And as far as the uplift, I also heard that the company was being paid 65% by the government while the employees were getting only 55%. And, if you calculate it, the uplift and hours we worked turned out to be nothing more than if we were in the states getting 40 hours of straight time, and time and a half for the 44 OT hours. The only difference we are getting is the tax break. Yes, there are other companies out there. I do suggest that anyone wanting to venture to another company, to stay clear of Kuwaiti companies. They have a warped approach to dealing with Americans as their employees, and truly do not like them. They seem to forget that if it wasn't for the US, they wouldn't be prospering in their country, as well as now making money in Iraq.
Laurali.......I am truly sorry you had such a rough experience while you were employeed with KBR. Any company this size does and will have problems. The biggest tragedy I see from your post is that you left the company. With the obvious analytical skills and work ethic you possess, you could have been a part of the solution rather than "bashing" the company. Your decision to move on was your personal decision.....and understandable. Much of your information concerning the contract details (i.e uplift schedules, overtime pay) is wrong.....but this is the information you received.

All the best to you........
Icarus

[firedawg2000]

No, what you mean is it doesnt make it right because some of those signed a contract to work over here EXPATRIATED on a military base under MILITARY law not united states laws. As an EXPAT, you give up certain laws to come work over here. It is you're choice to work over here. KBR has done nothing wrong and if some people are going to gripe and complain about it then they need to go back home where they are protected under those certain laws and work for $8 an hour. in working over here, a person makes a lot of money. When people start complaining they arent making enough, that just show's how many greedy people are over here.

If a person is only worth $8 an hour back home then they don't need KBR they need school beginnig with a high school deploma. The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is a federal law enacted by the United States Congress and is the foundation for the United States military justice system. Federal law derives from the Constitution and Bill of Rights. So to say Military law is not United States law is not the truth.

I personally am not upset about my wages, but if KBR is pocketing money that should be going to me then I have a problem with that. If you want to shake the red and white pom poms around and root for KBR that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that, but I've been with this company long enough to know that they are a very dishonest company when it comes to the well being of its employees outside of the money. There's favoritism, discrimination, mistreatment, disrespect, lies, just to name some. If you need specifics I have plenty. It would not surprise me one bit to someday find out that KBR was pocketing off of our earnings. It's very common in the world of awarded contracts to skim the til of the employee. In the states they call it UNION DUES. So who's really the greedy one's here? I just want what's rightfully mine. Nothing more, nothing less.

[firedawg2000]

Mine is just the oppossite. i read the contract and knew of what i was getting myself into. I am paid what I am supposed to be paid every month. My recruiter didn't lie to me. She told me flat out what was going to be my job and the pay rate before I ever went to houston. You and others are certainly disgruntled. There are certain avenues you can taken thru inner company channels if you so choose to resolve your pay disputes. Start with EAP and he/she will point you in the correct direction or you can continue to complain. As far as the KBR contract and you seeing it, good luck.

There's a possibility that you're getting paid what KBR told you your supposed to get paid NOT what you're actually supposed to get. There's a difference. If you're happy with your pay and situation then good for you. Doesn't make other people wrong for not feeling the same as way. To think there's no such thing as wrong doing in this company is asinine.

I dare you, matter a fact I double dare you to use EAP or any other so-called KBR benefit that originates out of Houston. You will find yourself as an outcast amongst management and send you off to another camp. In a lot of cases they find away to get you sent home. I've seen it plenty of times. If you really want be the guy with the huge target on your back then contact Houston about your issues with your camp. There's 2 companies, KBR west (Houston) and KBR East (Logcap 3) and they both conduct business very differently.

[Laurali]

Laurali.......I am truly sorry you had such a rough experience while you were employeed with KBR. Any company this size does and will have problems. The biggest tragedy I see from your post is that you left the company. With the obvious analytical skills and work ethic you possess, you could have been a part of the solution rather than "bashing" the company. Your decision to move on was your personal decision.....and understandable. Much of your information concerning the contract details (i.e uplift schedules, overtime pay) is wrong.....but this is the information you received.

All the best to you........
Icarus

Thank you for your well wishes Icarus. Like you said, I tried to be a part of the solution, but was "branded". Let me say this. When I left, a petition was filed by the other KBR employees (male and female), as well as the military to have the camp manager removed. In spite of the obvious treatment I received, it was hushed by management. I have since returned to the same camp (with a different company), and spoke to the PM, who told me he had no idea what was taking place, when all the while I was being told everything was coming from his instruction. of course, I can't go into details, but I see the hypocrisy and "coaching" from auditors, prejudging of employees, having us work 12 hours when we can complete our jobs in 8 . . . . MAYBE 10 hours. It's disgusting. I finally realized that my energy was not enough to make a change, and that I needed to expend my time with another company. Needless to say, the camp manager was demoted. And, EAP was a waste of my time since he had a close friend in that department, and a brother and mother in HR. Now, I have entered through a new door once the KBR door was closed, and so have many others. I guess it just depends on which department your in, which camp you're on, how insecure your upper chain of command is. I still have a lot of close friends in the company that were extactic when I returned. I will just never see the company in the same way ever again. It would be somewhat nice to find ONE person on the camp that sincerely enjoys their job with KBR, and not just the money. Enough said from me on this subject now. I'm shutting down the bashing.

[Javabear]

KBR=

1. Kin folk, Brothers, and Relatives
2. Kill 'em, Bury 'em, and Replace 'em (referencing employees)
3. Keeping Bush Rich

and that's all I have to say about that!

[TiredOfWork]

KBR=

1. Kin folk, Brothers, and Relatives
2. Kill 'em, Bury 'em, and Replace 'em (referencing employees)
3. Keeping Bush Rich
and that's all I have to say about that!
You lose crdibility with statements like that. If you really believe it, then you need to include Clinton and others before him. Oh, wait, that's right, he never did anything wrong...:lmao:

"... in February 2003, the Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton a temporary no-bid contract to implement its classified oil-fire plan. The thinking was it would be absurd to undertake the drawn-out contracting process on the verge of war. If the administration had done that and there had been catastrophic fires, it would now be considered evidence of insufficient postwar planning. And Halliburton was an obvious choice, since it put out 350 oil-well fires in Kuwait after the first Gulf War.

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the US peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work."

Under the Clinton administration, Halliburton received hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti.

In a deal cut in June 2000 under President Clinton, the New York Post reports that Halliburton won 11 Navy contracts worth $110 million to build jails at Guantanamo Bay, a base in Kuwait, a ferry terminal on Vieques, an air station in Spain, a breakwater in the Azores and facilities slammed by a typhoon in Guam.

[Javabear]

You lose crdibility with statements like that. If you really believe it, then you need to include Clinton and others before him. Oh, wait, that's right, he never did anything wrong...:lmao:

"... in February 2003, the Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton a temporary no-bid contract to implement its classified oil-fire plan. The thinking was it would be absurd to undertake the drawn-out contracting process on the verge of war. If the administration had done that and there had been catastrophic fires, it would now be considered evidence of insufficient postwar planning. And Halliburton was an obvious choice, since it put out 350 oil-well fires in Kuwait after the first Gulf War.

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the US peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work."

Under the Clinton administration, Halliburton received hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti.

In a deal cut in June 2000 under President Clinton, the New York Post reports that Halliburton won 11 Navy contracts worth $110 million to build jails at Guantanamo Bay, a base in Kuwait, a ferry terminal on Vieques, an air station in Spain, a breakwater in the Azores and facilities slammed by a typhoon in Guam.

The problem is that Clinton doesn't start with a B! I know you believe GWB is the best thing since sliced bread, and you have a right to your opinion, but Crawford, Texas is short by one village idiot. Dick Cheney is the one really running this show.

Mods, perhaps this should be moved to politics.

[TiredOfWork]

The problem is that Clinton doesn't start with a B! I know you believe GWB is the best thing since sliced bread, and you have a right to your opinion, but Crawford, Texas is short by one village idiot. Dick Cheney is the one really running this show.

Mods, perhaps this should be moved to politics.
Ok, whatever. Typical, I should have expected that. :rolleyes:

[lordrazor1]

The problem is that Clinton doesn't start with a B! I know you believe GWB is the best thing since sliced bread, and you have a right to your opinion, but Crawford, Texas is short by one village idiot. Dick Cheney is the one really running this show.

Mods, perhaps this should be moved to politics.


I always thought it did Bill Clinton....

[Javabear]

I always thought it did Bill Clinton....

Ok Razor...You got me on that one!!! :drunk:

[myranchretirement]

The problem is that Clinton doesn't start with a B! I know you believe GWB is the best thing since sliced bread, and you have a right to your opinion, but Crawford, Texas is short by one village idiot. Dick Cheney is the one really running this show.

Mods, perhaps this should be moved to politics.


Thanks for showing your true colors to everyone. Now I know why the hatred for the large conglomerates and OUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT. He is your President like it or not. When Clinton was in office I didn't care for him and I sure as hell didn't vote for him but he was my President and that garnered my respect. If anyone speaks improperly of our President no matter who it is they should be corrected. Let me rephrase that. Anyone outside our country who speaks badly of our President should be corrected. He is our President and should have our full backing. Especially during a time of WAR.

[Javabear]

Thanks for showing your true colors to everyone. Now I know why the hatred for the large conglomerates and OUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT. He is your President like it or not. When Clinton was in office I didn't care for him and I sure as hell didn't vote for him but he was my President and that garnered my respect. If anyone speaks improperly of our President no matter who it is they should be corrected. Let me rephrase that. Anyone outside our country who speaks badly of our President should be corrected. He is our President and should have our full backing. Especially during a time of WAR.

I never said I hated large conglomerates, nor did I say I hated GWB. I do not like being taken advantage of or being lied to, which both KBR and GWB have done.

And I finally got the rest of the money that KBR owed me in my deposit today.:happy64:
Only took 6 months.

[myranchretirement]

I never said I hated large conglomerates, nor did I say I hated GWB. I do not like being taken advantage of or being lied to, which both KBR and GWB have done.

And I finally got the rest of the money that KBR owed me in my deposit today.:happy64:
Only took 6 months.


You may have been taken advantage of by KBR. For that I can't blame your fellings toward them. However, As far as the President is concerned, After going to the United Nations for 14 months seeking their help and not recieving it and going off of the documentattion was given him by the CIA and the Jewish Intelligence Agency as well as British Inteeligence, he and Tony Blair both acted on what seemed to be an imminent threat. They were given information that apparently was wrong. That said, i suppose one could gather that our President was lied to as well. Being as we were already in Iraq and Saddam was proven to be sending money to Hamas in supporting the terrorism of the Palestinians, Saddam was a terrorist supporter. Also, Saddam allowed some terrorists we had been looking for to seek refuge in one of the hospitals, as in harboring terrorists. Saddam was also a vile dictator that needed to be dealt with because at the time before the war, Saddam was having our jets shot at in the no fly zones. That in itself is an act of war. It was time to take the threat down no matter what due to the purported weapons he had. In the times the (idiot U.N.) was over here searching for the weapons he was smartly moving them out of country behind the backs of the U.N. I remember many times the inspectors would go to a certain area to look and Saddam wouldn't allow them in. The inspectors would whine and cry back to the U.N. and the U.N. would "condemn" the act but do nothing else. How long can a country play cat and mouse with a dictator who ("has"?) WMD? If you will remember as well Saddam continually threatened that he would use the weapons if he was invaded. We invaded anyway. Now a paople are free. Saddam and Udday and Hussien can't walk out into the street and shoot someone for looking at them wrong or jail and then hang someone cause their eggs were to overdone. A nation is tasting freedom and they like it.

[Javabear]

You may have been taken advantage of by KBR. For that I can't blame your fellings toward them. However, As far as the President is concerned, After going to the United Nations for 14 months seeking their help and not recieving it and going off of the documentattion was given him by the CIA and the Jewish Intelligence Agency as well as British Inteeligence, he and Tony Blair both acted on what seemed to be an imminent threat. They were given information that apparently was wrong. That said, i suppose one could gather that our President was lied to as well. Being as we were already in Iraq and Saddam was proven to be sending money to Hamas in supporting the terrorism of the Palestinians, Saddam was a terrorist supporter. Also, Saddam allowed some terrorists we had been looking for to seek refuge in one of the hospitals, as in harboring terrorists. Saddam was also a vile dictator that needed to be dealt with because at the time before the war, Saddam was having our jets shot at in the no fly zones. That in itself is an act of war. It was time to take the threat down no matter what due to the purported weapons he had. In the times the (idiot U.N.) was over here searching for the weapons he was smartly moving them out of country behind the backs of the U.N. I remember many times the inspectors would go to a certain area to look and Saddam wouldn't allow them in. The inspectors would whine and cry back to the U.N. and the U.N. would "condemn" the act but do nothing else. How long can a country play cat and mouse with a dictator who ("has"?) WMD? If you will remember as well Saddam continually threatened that he would use the weapons if he was invaded. We invaded anyway. Now a paople are free. Saddam and Udday and Hussien can't walk out into the street and shoot someone for looking at them wrong or jail and then hang someone cause their eggs were to overdone. A nation is tasting freedom and they like it.

So using your logic, when do we invade Iran?

[myranchretirement]

So using your logic, when do we invade Iran?


You tell me.

[Javabear]

You tell me.

My point is that Iran supports terrorism and also freely admits to enriching uranium "for electrical power generation purposes" and has called for the eradication of another nation. North Korea is suspected of supporitng terrorism and admits to having nuclear weapons. Why has the US not invaded either of these 2 countries? Iraq has a lot more oil than both of them put together and you have 2 oil execs running the country. Coincedence? I think not.

[myranchretirement]

My point is that Iran supports terrorism and also freely admits to enriching uranium "for electrical power generation purposes" and has called for the eradication of another nation. North Korea is suspected of supporitng terrorism and admits to having nuclear weapons. Why has the US not invaded either of these 2 countries? Iraq has a lot more oil than both of them put together and you have 2 oil execs running the country. Coincedence? I think not.


So what you suggest is we go to war with Iran and north Korea at the same time while are still here in Iraq? As far as my own opinion goes (and that is all I'm at liberty to give because I personally do not know what the government has in mind) we can do only one thing at at time. We only have the resources to finish what we started here in Iraq. Actually I would think it wise that once all is said and done with Iraq and most of the military is on their own two feet we look at Iran. I know the people of Iran and a portion of the government have about had their fill of their new "president". Each time he opens his mouth someone in the Iranian government has to step up and say something to contradict what their president said or thepres. has to retract what he said like he did about Israel. We are in talks with North Korea and from what I have read, the talks are beginning to go our way. military action is not needed with every country. Iran, we may have to. What we should do is send all Amway representatives to the Iranian government. That would hasten the extermination of our problem because they would shoot themselves rather than have to finish listening to them.

[spectrans]

Amway representatives :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

they would shoot themselves rather than have to finish listening to them.

[Javabear]

So what you suggest is we go to war with Iran and north Korea at the same time while are still here in Iraq? As far as my own opinion goes (and that is all I'm at liberty to give because I personally do not know what the government has in mind) we can do only one thing at at time. We only have the resources to finish what we started here in Iraq. Actually I would think it wise that once all is said and done with Iraq and most of the military is on their own two feet we look at Iran. I know the people of Iran and a portion of the government have about had their fill of their new "president". Each time he opens his mouth someone in the Iranian government has to step up and say something to contradict what their president said or thepres. has to retract what he said like he did about Israel. We are in talks with North Korea and from what I have read, the talks are beginning to go our way. military action is not needed with every country. Iran, we may have to. What we should do is send all Amway representatives to the Iranian government. That would hasten the extermination of our problem because they would shoot themselves rather than have to finish listening to them.

That's hilarious!!!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Silver Spoon]

[QUOTE=myranchretirement]So what you suggest is we go to war with Iran and north Korea at the same time while are still here in Iraq? As far as my own opinion goes (and that is all I'm at liberty to give because I personally do not know what the government has in mind) we can do only one thing at at time. We only have the resources to finish what we started here in Iraq.

Afghanistan ….the forgotten war? :confused:

[myranchretirement]

[QUOTE=myranchretirement]So what you suggest is we go to war with Iran and north Korea at the same time while are still here in Iraq? As far as my own opinion goes (and that is all I'm at liberty to give because I personally do not know what the government has in mind) we can do only one thing at at time. We only have the resources to finish what we started here in Iraq.

Afghanistan ….the forgotten war? :confused:


Afghanistan is a whole different story in pertaining to what is being talked about.

[BigE]

silence is the new word on subjects like this for me. :drunk:

[firedawg2000]

Don't you guys think we're a little off topic now??? There is a seperate room for politics.

[Silver Spoon]

man it seems KBR just can't catch a break here lately.......now this....

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-05T203830Z_01_SCH574193_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-UN-HALLIBURTON.xml

[myranchretirement]

As long as KBR is in Iraq the media and liberal watchdog groups will be after them. One thing forgotten by all is that KBR specializes in what they do as far as services based and is the only company I have seen with the scope large enough to ramp up all contractors and everything needed to be able to do the job. There will be accounting errors and what not on a very large scale because everything being done here is on a very large scale.

In May, the board noted "with regret" that Pentagon auditors had tried to hide from it more than $200 million in apparent overcharges in contracts paid for with Iraqi oil money and awarded on a noncompetitive basis to Halliburton,

It seems it stems from the government. kBR does as told by the customer which happens to be the government.

[s1rGr1nG0]

Uplift is paid only on the first 40 hours worked during the week. After that your pay is straight time. In Iraq the uplift is %55 of your base pay. In Kuwait, (where I'm at), the uplift is %40 of our base pay. Everything is in the contract. When you leave Houston you get a copy of it to take with you on the day you fly. It would be a good idea to read it. You are guaranteed only 40 hours per week. The contract is an employment at will contract which means they can fire you for any reason at any time AND you can leave for any reason at anytime you choose and they will pay to send you back to your point of origin. There's no big secrets or conspiracy in the contract. It's all there. Read it.

[firedawg2000]

Uplift is paid only on the first 40 hours worked during the week. After that your pay is straight time. In Iraq the uplift is %55 of your base pay. In Kuwait, (where I'm at), the uplift is %40 of our base pay. Everything is in the contract. When you leave Houston you get a copy of it to take with you on the day you fly. It would be a good idea to read it. You are guaranteed only 40 hours per week. The contract is an employment at will contract which means they can fire you for any reason at any time AND you can leave for any reason at anytime you choose and they will pay to send you back to your point of origin. There's no big secrets or conspiracy in the contract. It's all there. Read it.

Dude, what have you been? This was all discussed, debated, and then some like two weeks ago. Are you trying to start this all over again? You might want to start from the begining of this thread and see everybodys point of view, where they stand, and then lets take it from there instead of repeating everything.

[Goforth]

If it walks, talks, and looks like it may be a little shady by golly it might be crooked!:happy64: "Be safe"