Charges to Be Dropped Against USS Cole Bombing Suspect

[Alasad PGen4]

Charges to Be Dropped Against USS Cole Bombing Suspect
The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford would bring all Guantanamo cases into compliance with President Barack Obama's executive order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.


FOXNews.com
Thursday, February 05, 2009
The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.
The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.
Judge James Pohl had earlier refused the Obama administration's request to delay the arraignment of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the accused planner of the Cole attack in Yemen.
A senior Obama administration official told The Associated Press that the charges against al-Nashiri will be dismissed without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later in another venue, possibly a military court martial or criminal court.
It also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations.
Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama.
Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer."

[TerryTate]

:headbang:

Bambi :punch:.

[DC]

So thats it, he's just going to roam the streets of America now? Thats what Hannity seems to be implying.

I hope people understand that this is juat a legal process, and that al-Nashiri isnt going anywhere. He will still be punished for his crimes.

[Alasad PGen4]

So thats it, he's just going to roam the streets of America now? Thats what Hannity seems to be implying.

I hope people understand that this is juat a legal process, and that al-Nashiri isnt going anywhere. He will still be punished for his crimes.
Hannity? I never saw his name in the article where is it?:rolleyes:

[DC]

Hannity? I never saw his name in the article where is it?:rolleyes:


Oh, Im sorry. I should have known you need everything explained word for word to you. Hannity is a radio guy who, along with Rush Limbaugh, decides what the next day's talking points will be. He's implying that terrorist will be roaming our streets any day now, because Obama feels bad for them.

[Alasad PGen4]

Does he also work for cnn?
(CNN) -- The U.S. government has dropped charges against Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the suspect in the bombing of the destroyer USS Cole, according to a Pentagon spokesman.


Parents and friends at the funeral in 2000 for a sailor killed during the bombing of the USS Cole.

1 of 2 The charges were dropped "without prejudice" by Susan Crawford, convening authority at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon.

In removing the charges without prejudice, prosecutors can resubmit charges at a later date while at the same time complying with President Barack Obama's order to the military to hold off on cases for four months.

With this move, all cases at Guantanamo are now in line with the president's order to halt court proceedings at the detention center, according to Gordon.

Al-Nashiri was scheduled to go to trial on Monday. Prosecutors had asked for a continuance in the trial but Judge James Pohl had denied the request.

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Pohl found the government's "argument for continuances were unpersuasive," according to a copy of his opinion. Pohl noted there had been no previous requests for a delay, and that the public's interest in a speedy trial would be harmed by further delay.

Nashiri will remain a "high value" detainee held at Guantanamo.
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[DC]

Does he also work for cnn?
(CNN) -- The U.S. government has dropped charges against Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the suspect in the bombing of the destroyer USS Cole, according to a Pentagon spokesman.


Parents and friends at the funeral in 2000 for a sailor killed during the bombing of the USS Cole.

1 of 2 The charges were dropped "without prejudice" by Susan Crawford, convening authority at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon.

In removing the charges without prejudice, prosecutors can resubmit charges at a later date while at the same time complying with President Barack Obama's order to the military to hold off on cases for four months.

With this move, all cases at Guantanamo are now in line with the president's order to halt court proceedings at the detention center, according to Gordon.

Al-Nashiri was scheduled to go to trial on Monday. Prosecutors had asked for a continuance in the trial but Judge James Pohl had denied the request.

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Pohl found the government's "argument for continuances were unpersuasive," according to a copy of his opinion. Pohl noted there had been no previous requests for a delay, and that the public's interest in a speedy trial would be harmed by further delay.

Nashiri will remain a "high value" detainee held at Guantanamo.
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So, what are you implying, if he's not being set free, and still will face justice?

[Alasad PGen4]

Oh, Im sorry. I should have known you need everything explained word for word to you. Hannity is a radio guy who, along with Rush Limbaugh, decides what the next day's talking points will be. He's implying that terrorist will be roaming our streets any day now, because Obama feels bad for them.
Wow you sir have problems.

[TerryTate]

DC,

He also might be sent to another country instead of being sentenced here.

His victims relatives might just have a problem with that...

:nerd:

[DC]

DC,

He also might be sent to another country instead of being sentenced here.

His victims relatives might just have a problem with that...

:nerd:


If thats what happens, then its inexcusable, and Obama & Co would be wrong.

My big problem is with the people who are implying that this guy is just free to go now, thanks to Obama.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

If thats what happens, then its inexcusable, and Obama & Co would be wrong.

My big problem is with the people who are implying that this guy is just free to go now, thanks to Obama.

Defending all radical muslim terrorists, one at a time, or in groups.

I'm sure you could have their votes of confidence if you ever ran for public office.

So are you implying that he is not going to end up on some city street, in some ME country again, but will never hurt anyone again?

Your defenses seem as though we just misunderstand people like this. He's a murdering scum. But keep defending them. We here don't expect anything different.

[DC]

Defending all radical muslim terrorists, one at a time, or in groups.

I'm sure you could have their votes of confidence if you ever ran for public office.

So are you implying that he is not going to end up on some city street, in some ME country again, but will never hurt anyone again?

Your defenses seem as though we just misunderstand people like this. He's a murdering scum. But keep defending them. We here don't expect anything different.


You really need to stop obsessing over my posts, and see them for what they really are. Who defended any terrorist? Not me. Never have.

What Im implying (if you knew how to understand things without your right wing anger messing things up) is that Obama is not simply setting him free, he's following a legal process. This terror suspect isnt going anywhere, and will still be punihsed for his crime. Just legally, on paper, charges have been temporarily dropped. Thats it.

[TerryTate]

You really need to stop obsessing over my posts, and see them for what they really are. Who defended any terrorist? Not me. Never have.

What Im implying (if you knew how to understand things without your right wing anger messing things up) is that Obama is not simply setting him free, he's following a legal process. This terror suspect isnt going anywhere, and will still be punihsed for his crime. Just legally, on paper, charges have been temporarily dropped. Thats it.

At this moment he isn't going anywhere.

Whether he is punished is left to be seen.

Will it be a punishment on paper, or a real punishment?

[zimbu]

In February, former CIA director Michael Hayden confirmed that US interrogators had secretly waterboarded Nashiri and two other detainees while he was in the spy agency's custody.

According to his defense lawyers, the whole process is begining again from zero in order to avoid having to produce documents that could show the defendant had been subjected to harsh interrogations.

So, in effect this is Bush/Rumsfelds screw-up.

He's not going anywhere. He will continue to be held as an enemy combatant.
All 230 detainees at Gitmo will eventually evaporate into a less public facility in which they will be convienently " forgotten about"

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[AZDinar]

He's not going anywhere. He will continue to be held as an enemy combatant.
All 230 detainees at Gitmo will eventually evaporate into a less public facility in which they will be convienently " forgotten about"



I think you are correct on this Zim. Possibly some will eventually be released, but the majority - the worst ones - will never see outside prison walls again.

[AbuSpinoza]

Next comes his scholarship offer to Harvard..I mean Yale.

[AbuSpinoza]

Jihadi Turns Bulldog
The Taliban's former spokesman is now a Yale student. Anyone see a problem with that?

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:01 A.M. EST

Never has an article made me blink with astonishment as much as when I read in yesterday's New York Times magazine that Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, former ambassador-at-large for the Taliban, is now studying at Yale on a U.S. student visa. This is taking the obsession that U.S. universities have with promoting diversity a bit too far.
Something is very wrong at our elite universities. Last week Larry Summers resigned as president of Harvard when it became clear he would lose a no-confidence vote held by politically correct faculty members furious at his efforts to allow ROTC on campus, his opposition to a drive to have Harvard divest itself of corporate investments in Israel, and his efforts to make professors work harder. Now Yale is giving a first-class education to an erstwhile high official in one of the most evil regimes of the latter half of the 20th century--the government that harbored the terrorists who attacked America on Sept. 11, 2001.
"In some ways," Mr. Rahmatullah told the New York Times. "I'm the luckiest person in the world. I could have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Instead I ended up at Yale." One of the courses he has taken is called Terrorism-Past, Present and Future. Many foreign readers of the Times will no doubt snicker at the revelation that naive Yale administrators scrambled to admit Mr. Rahmatullah. The Times reported that Yale "had another foreigner of Rahmatullah's caliber apply for special-student status." Richard Shaw, Yale's dean of undergraduate admissions, told the Times that "we lost him to Harvard," and "I didn't want that to happen again."

In the spring of 2001, I was one of several writers at The Wall Street Journal who interviewed Mr. Rahmatullah at our offices across the street from the World Trade Center. His official title was second foreign secretary; his mission was to explain the regime's decision to rid the country of two 1,000-year-old towering statues of Buddha carved out of rock 90 miles from the Afghan capital, Kabul. The archeological treasures were considered the greatest remaining examples of third- and fifth-century Greco-Indian art in the world. But Taliban leader Mullah Omar had ordered all statues in the country destroyed, calling them idols of infidels and repugnant to Islam.

Even Muslim nations like Pakistan denounced the move. Mr. Rahmatullah, who at the time claimed to be 24 but now says he was lying about his age and was actually two years younger, cut a curious figure in our office. He wore a traditional Afghan turban and white baggy pants and sported a full beard. His English, while sometimes elliptical, was smooth and colloquial. He made himself very clear when he said the West had no business worrying about the statues, because it had cut off trade and foreign aid to the Taliban. "When the world destroys the future of our children with economic sanctions, they have no right to worry about our past," he told us, according to my notes from the meeting.
He smiled as he informed us that the statues had been blown up with explosive charges only after people living nearby had been removed. He had no comment on reports that Mullah Omar had ordered 100 cows be sacrificed as atonement for the Taliban government's failure to destroy the Buddhas earlier.
As for Osama bin Laden, Mr. Rahmatullah called the Saudi fugitive a "guest" of his government and said it hadn't been proved that bin Laden was linked to any terrorist acts, despite his indictment in the U.S. for planning the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He said that if the embassy bombings were terrorist acts, then so was the Clinton administration's firing cruise missiles into his country in an attempt to kill bin Laden. "You killed 19 innocent people," he told us.
After the meeting I walked him out. I vividly recall our stopping at a window as he stared up at the World Trade Center. We stood there for a minute chatting, but I don't recall what he said. He then left. I next thought about him a few months later, on Sept. 11, as I stood outside our office building covered in dust and debris staring at the remains of the towers that had just collapsed. I occasionally wondered what had happened to Mr. Rahmatullah. I assumed he either had died in the collapse of the Taliban regime, had been jailed, or was living quietly in the new, democratic Afghanistan.
From newspaper clips I knew that his visit to the Journal's offices was part of a PR tour. He visited other newspapers and spoke at universities, and the State Department had granted him a meeting with midlevel officials. None of the meetings went particularly well. At the University of Southern California, Mr. Rahmatullah expressed irritation with a question about statues that at that point hadn't yet been blown up. "You know, really, I am asked so much about these statues that I have a headache now," he moaned. "If I go back to Afghanistan, I will blow them."
Carina Chocano, a writer for Salon.com who attended several of his speeches in the U.S., noted the hostility of many of his audiences. "A lesser publicist might have melted down," she wrote. "But the cool, unruffled and media-smart Hashemi instead spun his story into a contemporary parable of ironic iconoclasm," peppering his lectures with "statue jokes."
But sometimes his humor really backfired. At a speech for the Atlantic Council, Mr. Rahmatullah was confronted by a woman in the audience who lifted the burkha she was wearing and chastised him for the Taliban's infamous treatment of women. "You have imprisoned the women--it's a horror, let me tell you," she cried. Mr. Rahmatullah responded with a sneer: "I'm really sorry to your husband. He might have a very difficult time with you."
A videotape of his cutting remark became part of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," and infuriated the likes of Mavis Leno, wife of "Tonight Show" host Jay Leno. Mrs. Leno helped found the Feminist Majority's Campaign to Stop Gender Apartheid in Afghanistan and devoted countless hours to focusing public attention on the plight of Afghanistan's women and girls. "I will never, ever abandon these women," she often said before the Taliban's overthrow. Here's hoping she has saved some of her outrage for Yale's decision to welcome Mr. Rahmatullah with open arms.
In his interview with the New York Times, Mr. Rahmatullah, said that if he had to do it all over, he would have been less "antagonistic" in his remarks during his U.S. road tour. "I regret the way I spoke sometimes. Now I would try to be softer. A little bit." Just a little?
Today, when he is asked if Afghanistan would be better off if the Taliban were still in charge, Mr. Rahmatullah, has a mixed answer: "Economically, no. In terms of security, yes. In terms of general happiness, no. In the long-term interests of the country? I don't think so. I think the radicals were taking over and doing crazy stuff. I regret when people think of the Taliban and then think of me--that feeling people have after they know I was affiliated with them is painful to me." Note that the government official who represented the Taliban abroad now claims to have been only "affiliated" with them.
Even though he evinces only semiregret for his actions in service to the Taliban, there is evidence that he has become quite a charmer. After the fall of the Taliban, he resumed a friendship he had developed with Mike Hoover, a CBS News cameraman who, according to a 2001 Associated Press story, had visited Afghanistan three times as a guest of the Taliban. Mr. Hoover inspired Mr. Rahmatullah to think about going to the U.S. to finish his studies. "I thought he could do a lot as a student/teacher," said Mr. Hoover. He persuaded Bob Schuster, an attorney friend of his from Wyoming who had gone to Yale, to help out. As the Times reported, "Schuster called the provost's office to ask how an ex-Taliban envoy with a fourth-grade education and a high-school equivalency degree might go about applying to one of the world's top universities."
Intrigued by Mr. Rahmatullah, Dean Shaw arranged for his admission into a nondegree program for special students. He apparently has done well, so far pulling down a 3.33 grade-point average.

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There is something to be said for the instinct to reach out to one's former enemies. America's postwar reconciliation with the Japanese and Germans has paid great dividends. But there are limits.

During a trip to Germany I once ran into a relative of Hans Fritsche, the top deputy to Josef Goebbels, whom the Guardian, a British newspaper, once described as "the Nazi Propaganda Minister's leading radio spokesman [whose] commentaries were among the main items of German home and foreign broadcasting." After the war he was tried as a war criminal at Nuremberg, but because he had only given hate-filled speeches, he was acquitted of all charges in 1946. In the early 1950s, he applied for a visa to visit the U.S. and explain his regret at having served an evil regime. He was turned down, to the everlasting regret of the relative with whom I spoke. She noted that Albert Speer, Hitler's former architect, was also turned down for a U.S. visa even after he had completed a 20-year prison sentence and had written a best-selling book detailing Hitler's madness.
I don't believe Mr. Rahmatullah had direct knowledge of the 9/11 plot, and I don't think he has ever killed anyone. I can appreciate that he is trying to rebuild his life. But he willingly and cheerfully served an evil regime in a manner that would have made Goebbels proud. That he was 22 at the time is little of an excuse. There are many poor, bright students--American and foreign alike--who would jump at the opportunity to attend Yale. Why should Mr. Rahmatullah go to the line ahead of all of them? That's a question Yale alumni should ask when their alma mater comes looking for contributions. President Bush, who already has a well-known disdain for Yale elitism from his student days there, may also have some questions. In the wake of his being blindsided by his own administration over the Dubai port deal, he should be interested in finding out exactly who at the State Department approved Mr. Rahmatullah's application for a student visa.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020

Won't walk the streets in our country ? yeah right

[AbuSpinoza]

Blast in Yale law school, no injuries

Dan Burns in New Haven | May 22, 2003 09:22 IST


An explosion rocked an empty classroom at Yale University's law school on Wednesday afternoon and caused some damage, but no injuries, officials in New Haven and at the Ivy League school said.
Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Mike Wolf said an 'explosive device' had gone off.
The explosion, which knocked out a wall between two rooms, came a day after the US government raised its terror alert status to 'high' from 'elevated' because of what officials said was a renewed risk of terrorist attack in the United States.
Investigators from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force were headed to Yale, officials in Washington said.
President George W Bush, who graduated from Yale, spoke earlier on Wednesday at the Coast Guard Academy in New London, Connecticut, about 80 km east of New Haven. The president's daughter Barbara attends Yale University as an undergraduate student, but was not on campus at the time of the blast.
Yale said in a statement the explosion caused 'considerable damage' to the classroom and to an adjacent lounge.
Jennifer Sperling, a first-year law student from Arlington, Virginia, said she was completing a daylong exam when she heard 'a really loud boom'.
"My heart started pounding, I was hyperventilating. Then people started yelling to get out of the building," she said.
Mike Pyle, a second-year law student, said he was among a few dozen people in the building when the blast occurred.
"People are very lucky to have gotten out safe," Pyle told Reuters.
Connecticut State Police Col Tim Barry, at a briefing with Wolf, said it would take two or three days for law enforcement officials to go through the evidence at the scene of the explosion.
They said there had been no threat before the explosion and no claim of responsibility afterward.
The explosion came at the end of the school's academic year. Dormitories on campus were empty, most students had finished their exams and the law school's graduation ceremonies had been set for Monday.
Yale said the law school would be closed through Friday but the rest of the university would be open and would operate normally. All graduation ceremonies were set to proceed as scheduled.
It is not the first time that an explosion has shattered the relative calm of the leafy campus. A decade ago, Yale University computer scientist David Gelernter was maimed by a bomb sent by convicted Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski.

http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/may/22yale.htm

[TerryTate]

In February, former CIA director Michael Hayden confirmed that US interrogators had secretly waterboarded Nashiri and two other detainees while he was in the spy agency's custody.

According to his defense lawyers, the whole process is begining again from zero in order to avoid having to produce documents that could show the defendant had been subjected to harsh interrogations.

So, in effect this is Bush/Rumsfelds screw-up.

He's not going anywhere. He will continue to be held as an enemy combatant.
All 230 detainees at Gitmo will eventually evaporate into a less public facility in which they will be convienently " forgotten about"

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Maybe, maybe not.

We have let them go before by turning them over to other countries, which free them, only to see them return to the battlefield.

Until the punishment occurs, its all speculation, but I sincerely doubt the parents of the Cole victims see this as justice.

Mother Of USS Cole Victim Refuses Meeting With Obama

Regrets Voting For Him


VIDEO HERE--->http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3541216&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749



or these parents:


Why We Chose Not to Meet with President Obama


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Yesterday we were driving back from Houston, Texas from obtaining a passport for my daughter so she could attend the arraignment of al-Nashiri who had helped in the Cole Bombing. We were expecting to leave for Gitmo no later than this Saturday. I knew that Obama would no doubt dismiss the charges against al-nashiri. Our government has repeatably found excuses so as not to take any action against the Cole bombers and or those who support them. Like the countries of Yemen and the Sudan. So it came as no surprise to me when an Obama’s aide called to tell me that we had an invitation to attend a meeting where president Obama would explain his reasons for dismissing the charges against the terrorists. I told him that it was on a short notice and that we would not be attending.



Why attend a meeting when you already know the inevitable outcome. And President Obama has already signed the order to close Gitmo, and a request to stop the trials. Which they did. With only one judge who had the strength, courage and conviction to stand up for the murdered sailors and say that al-nashiri’s arraignment would go forward. So anyway I asked the aide if he would please get my letter to Obama instead. He said he would if I faxed it. I had wrote Obama a letter the previous week pleading with him to change his mind. I faxed the letter later that same day. I knew that I would have to tell my wife later on when we got home that our murdered son’s trail had become a victim of petty politics. And that she would be upset and hurt yet again.


I wish that our government would not play the head games that they have played with the victims families. Its extremely disrespectful of the victims and their families. The government could have stopped this charade that there was going to be a trial after Obama had requested that there would be no trials in the first place. But instead my daughter took time off from work to make a 400 mile round trip to purchase a passport that she will probably never need. And of course she had to experience another let down when Obama’s aide called. And my wife as well.



The trials of our son’s killers have become a heated political debate, and a political weapon that the liberals are using to get back at the past Bush administration, and the republican party. While the victims murders go unanswered, and the feelings of their families are taken on a emotional roller coaster ride.


While my family, myself and a good majority of Americans are wondering how can the Military Commissions Tribunals which were approved by congress can be overturned a by a President who does not agree with them. That’s not a democracy. That’s more like how President Saleh in Yemen acted after our son’s killers were tried in their courts. Saleh intervened for the killers and Al-Qaeda and then reduced their sentences, and pardoned others. And had the other Cole Bombers tried on unrelated charges, and then freed. As victims we had hoped that our own government would show us a little more respect.



Wrong!


Back in 2000 right after the attack on the Cole we refused to meet with President Clinton, and I also refused to speak with Vice President Gore. For that decision we were housed in a different BAQ at Norfolk than the other families. And the next day we were not allowed in to the Memorial Services for the sailors of the Cole attack. It took the Commanding Officer of the base to get us in to the services, and up front with the rest of the families. I relate that story because I was not going to tell the news at first why we did not go and meet with Obama. But my wife insisted that I tell someone, and that our son deserves a trial. Its long overdue. So I did. I am not saying that Obama would react as childish as Clinton did. I don’t think he would. But I did not want to see anymore head games on the part of the government. And by the way I have plenty of witnesses for that fiasco, plus a letter of apology from the base commander. And our Escort officer was there too at the time, and did her best to try and get us in with the rest of the families.



I am sick to death of all the support that these terrorists have here in America. From Human Rights Groups to the far left loonies. I am working at obtaining a lawyer to find out if we the victim’s families and the actual victims have any constitutional rights. Are if those rights are only reserved for the terrorists who murdered our son. I have grown weary and tired of watching my sons mother and sister be hurt by their own government time after time again.



I like to think that if President Obama was in my shoes, and one of his own children had been murdered by a terrorists that he as the father would go to any lengths with in the law to make sure that his murdered child received justice. And God forbid that such a thing should ever happen to him, and his family. I would never wish such a thing on any person.


We chose not to meet with Clinton because we had no respect for the man. We knew he had done nothing for the victims of the Embassy bombings, and expected that he would make only empty promises like he had after all the other bombings on his watch. We were right. My decision as not to meet President Obama was not because I disrespected the man, but that he had already made his decision quite clear to everyone. Maybe Obama will have the terrorists tried at a later date. We hope so. We also hope that he will not return anymore Yemenis from Gitmo back to Saleh of Yemen to be freed. Not until he tells Saleh to turn over the Cole terrorists for a trial here in America. But then again would they ever go to trial even if they were extradited back to America?



I just read where the White House speaker for Obama stated “the president is interested in swift justice”. 8 friking long years to bring one of the terrorists to trial to only have the charges dismissed on the terrorist! And that’s Obama’s idea of swift justice? Oh please!

http://terrorismpolitician.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-we-chose-not-to-meet-with-president.html


Gee I guess they don't sympathize with you Zimmy, regardless of the spin coming out of the White House....