2nd Amendment backers to march on D.C.

[Alasad PGen4]

2nd Amendment backers to march on D.C.
'This is a time for brave men and women to stand up and be counted'

Posted: February 09, 2009
9:54 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

http://worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/terroristshot.jpg
Image from the front page of the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners
A coalition is being assembled to march on Washington to deliver to Congress, the president and even the U.S. Supreme Court (http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/) a message that the Second Amendment is critical as the single right that allows Americans to ensure continuation of all of the others.
The march is being spearheaded by the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, (http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/default.asp) but also is being coordinated with the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of American, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownerships, Second Amendment Foundation, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Virginia Shooting Sports Association and others.
Plans tentatively are for tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people to assemble in Washington next spring, in 2010, to demonstrate broad national support for the recognition and preservation of the Second Amendment.
"In the wake of last spring's D.C. vs. Heller U.S. Supreme Court decision which protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use and the renewed importance placed on the issue of gun rights across the country, the time is ideal for this historic gathering of gun owners at our national and state capitols," said state Sen. Alan Cropsey, a member of the Michigan organization's board of directors.

"Our lawmakers need to understand that America's gun owners come from all races, genders, political viewpoints and economic backgrounds," said Chuck Perricone, MCRGO's executive director.
The event is the brainchild of Michigan author Skip Coryell, who runs White Feather Press.com. (http://www.whitefeatherpress.com/)
He has related how he got an e-mail from a distraught woman in Belgium, horrified by a knife attack at a daycare facilities where workers have been stripped of arms by a draconian gun ban.
And then there are the events in recent weeks in which there have been discussions to require federal licenses for handguns and limit access to ammunition, among other things.
"This is the beginning of a period of historic change in our nation's history and it is no time for the timid. This is a time for brave men and women to stand up and be counted," Coryell said. "We want our children to inherit the same freedom our forefathers knew. Freedom has to be protected or it will fail. We are at a crossroads. The time to act is now."
The Michigan group is assembling partnerships with other groups with similar concerns for a daylong rally which is intended to occur simultaneously with events at state capitols across the nation.
The website explains the group mission is "to galvanize the courage and resolve of American gun owners, to petition our elected officials against establishing anti-gun legislation; and to remind America that the Second Amendment is necessary to maintain our right to self defense."
Coryell told WND in just seven days since suggesting the plan he's seen a literal flood of supportive e-mails.
The emotions have ranged from downright paranoia about federal agents knocking down doors to confiscate guns to worry about a lack of access to weapons even by people who don't own them.
"I think the majority of people are just saying, 'I am fed up. I am sick and tired of the government telling how to run my life."
"I think people … understand the Second Amendment is the one right that protects all the others," he told WND. "Freedom of speech, press, religion. If we don't have a right to keep and bear arms how are we going to protect the others?"

[EJAMM]

2nd Amendment backers to march on D.C.
'This is a time for brave men and women to stand up and be counted'

Posted: February 09, 2009
9:54 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

http://worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/terroristshot.jpg
Image from the front page of the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners
A coalition is being assembled to march on Washington to deliver to Congress, the president and even the U.S. Supreme Court (http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/) a message that the Second Amendment is critical as the single right that allows Americans to ensure continuation of all of the others.
The march is being spearheaded by the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, (http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/default.asp) but also is being coordinated with the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of American, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownerships, Second Amendment Foundation, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Virginia Shooting Sports Association and others.
Plans tentatively are for tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people to assemble in Washington next spring, in 2010, to demonstrate broad national support for the recognition and preservation of the Second Amendment.
"In the wake of last spring's D.C. vs. Heller U.S. Supreme Court decision which protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use and the renewed importance placed on the issue of gun rights across the country, the time is ideal for this historic gathering of gun owners at our national and state capitols," said state Sen. Alan Cropsey, a member of the Michigan organization's board of directors.

"Our lawmakers need to understand that America's gun owners come from all races, genders, political viewpoints and economic backgrounds," said Chuck Perricone, MCRGO's executive director.
The event is the brainchild of Michigan author Skip Coryell, who runs White Feather Press.com. (http://www.whitefeatherpress.com/)
He has related how he got an e-mail from a distraught woman in Belgium, horrified by a knife attack at a daycare facilities where workers have been stripped of arms by a draconian gun ban.
And then there are the events in recent weeks in which there have been discussions to require federal licenses for handguns and limit access to ammunition, among other things.
"This is the beginning of a period of historic change in our nation's history and it is no time for the timid. This is a time for brave men and women to stand up and be counted," Coryell said. "We want our children to inherit the same freedom our forefathers knew. Freedom has to be protected or it will fail. We are at a crossroads. The time to act is now."
The Michigan group is assembling partnerships with other groups with similar concerns for a daylong rally which is intended to occur simultaneously with events at state capitols across the nation.
The website explains the group mission is "to galvanize the courage and resolve of American gun owners, to petition our elected officials against establishing anti-gun legislation; and to remind America that the Second Amendment is necessary to maintain our right to self defense."
Coryell told WND in just seven days since suggesting the plan he's seen a literal flood of supportive e-mails.
The emotions have ranged from downright paranoia about federal agents knocking down doors to confiscate guns to worry about a lack of access to weapons even by people who don't own them.
"I think the majority of people are just saying, 'I am fed up. I am sick and tired of the government telling how to run my life."
"I think people … understand the Second Amendment is the one right that protects all the others," he told WND. "Freedom of speech, press, religion. If we don't have a right to keep and bear arms how are we going to protect the others?"

I wonder how many of them will be carrying weapons :giggle:...no wonder Obama is leaving DC.

[DINARTIFACT]

It's about time there was news like this! But 2010 Seems a little too late don't you think!
Oh well, If we still have guns in 2010, I hope I can be there....

[yunowu]

:happy64::happy64::happy64::rock::rock::rock:

[AZDinar]

I'll be there. I'm also going to try to organize a group from my area to participate. This is IMPORTANT. We need to send a message to Obama and the rest of the liberalites that infringement on our Constitutionally guaranteed rights will NOT be tolerated. It's time for revolution, people.

[AZDinar]

I Hate that its assumed that this is a Left or Right Issue...This is AN AMERICAN ISSUE...we need to keep our Rights! So many have been taken away in the last 8 years...HOLD STRONG TO YOUR GUNS! This is one of the most important RIGHTS a free society can hold...
Some that obama have brought into his cabinet have been shot down previously over anit-gun laws...LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!!

http://liberalswithguns.com/index.html

We need more Strong Liberal Lawyers and a Strong American Backing to show our Representatives what we Really want!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html

I'm glad that you are on the side of the Constitutionalists. That being said, it is not an assumption that gun control (aka disarming of the American people) is a Liberal stance. It is fact. Every bill introduced to limit the ownership of guns or ammunition is done so by liberal Democrats. If you wish to argue that point, please name me a piece of legislation that is currently pending - or has even been introduced in recent memory - by a conservative Republican. You can't - because it doesn't exist. Thus, this IS a battle against the Liberalista values (or lack thereof). It is the Liberals who claim that the Constitution is a 'living' document, and thus, subject to reinterpretation when it suits their needs.

We say, 'ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'.

Think REVOLUTION.

[Wolverine]

I Hate that its assumed that this is a Left or Right Issue...This is AN AMERICAN ISSUE...we need to keep our Rights! So many have been taken away in the last 8 years(Look to the Fourth Amendment)...HOLD STRONG TO YOUR GUNS! This is one of the most important RIGHTS a free society can hold...
Some that obama have brought into his cabinet have been shot down previously over anti-gun laws...LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!!

http://liberalswithguns.com/index.html

We need more Strong Liberal Lawyers (like the ACLU ???) and a Strong American Backing to show our Representatives what we Really want!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html

It is "an AMERICAN issue" but at least 99% of gun rights infringement has been perpetrated by the left, that is just the facts.
Furthermore, the voting records of President Obama and Vice President Biden , coupled with the key players that they've assembled thus far, makes this the most anti-gun administration ever in U.S. history !

[TerryTate]

I agree most if not all Anti-Gun measures have been written up by mislead Democrats....I don't think most "Real life" Democrats toe the same line that their representatives do...while i'm very left leaning on some issues, Gay marriage, Abortion rights, I'm on the fence about Gun right....Just like i don't think most "real life" Republicans are as "Neo-Conservative" as there Representatives....I Think if given we moved more towards a Democratic System we'd all see that....I wish we could knock out the people we have at the top and move towards a much more Democratic system then we have now..where the people are the power and not the Large Companies



Sorry to go a little off topic....This scares me 100% more...Right now there are serveral STRONG PRO GUN lobby Groups on Capital Hill...with Big Money to spread around....


I THINK THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION MIGHT BE USING THE GUN CONTROL ISSUE AS SORT OF A SMOKE SCREEN TO TAKE AWAY OUR FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS....The First ammendment while IMO being the Most important piece of legistator ever written does not have the big money or Lobby groups that the Second Amendment has...


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/

This is the Fairness Doctorine, Right?

$#!t like this shouldn't be happening under our noses...i'm going to get some information out to the people on this....

If that is all true for you, why would you ever vote for a Democrat.

Sorry, but the 1st and 2nd Amendment trump all of the other concerns you listed.

If you have those two rights guaranteed, then the other issues can at least be discussed.

Lose your freedom of speech and the right to protect that right, you have nothing.

So, electing people who don't believe in your right to self determination seems, well, a bit cock-eyed.

Pure madness.

But then again maybe that is what they want you to be distracted by.....

[one black cayman]

none of them will be allowed to have their lawful guns with them at the protest....

we need state by state organization - grass roots efforts to wake up most of the sheeple who think the police will protect them. My friend is a police officer and he constantly tells people to get a gun because by the time the police have arrived the only thing they can do is take a report.

If we sit around and wait until we hear about something brewing in congress...it will be too late.

They can pass a bill today and Obama could sign it tomorrow and voila its over.

Don't just call or write your representratives - do both!!!

[tonytz123]

All I know is when come to take my guns they wont get all of them and the ones I do give up will cost them. I mean I have paid thousands of dollars for my guns and Im not giving them up free.

[geowhiz]

Gee Wally, can I go to this party? I love having the right to do certain things..



:shhh:

[ptolemy]

Gee Wally, can I go to this party? I love having the right to do certain things..



:shhh:


Stay home Geo...stay under your quilt!!! We'll cover you!!!:yelrotflmao:

[geowhiz]

Stay home Geo...stay under your quilt!!! We'll cover you!!!:yelrotflmao:


Ok, you guys go play with your guns and tell Washington you aren't happy campers because they are going to take your "rights" away, Ill stay at home with my commie friends and have a great big group hug..

6497

[Wolverine]

Ok, you guys go play with your guns and tell Washington you aren't happy campers because they are going to take your "rights" away, Ill stay at home with my commie friends and have a great big group hug..

6497

hippie freaks !

[williambedloe]

Ok, you guys go play with your guns and tell Washington you aren't happy campers because they are going to take your "rights" away, Ill stay at home with my commie friends and have a great big group hug..

6497

Be Careful - hugs with commies in that part of the west can quickly become "reach arounds"

[geowhiz]

hippie freaks !


Gotta love hippie freaks!

6499



P.S. This pic was taken by some hippie freak 2,000 miles from my house that I downloaded off a random website, and I know nothing about it other than it's contents, which clearly show tomato plants and a Red Ryder BB gun.

[geowhiz]

Be Careful - hugs with commies in that part of the west can quickly become "reach arounds"


"The Dead" are coming to Washington DC in April. You should go and see how a true liberal gets down. (And If you play your cards right I guarantee you'll get a few reach-arounds from some overaged hippie momma).

[ptolemy]

"The Dead" are coming to Washington DC in April. You should go and see how a true liberal gets down. (And If you play your cards right I guarantee you'll get a few reach-arounds from some overaged hippie momma).

I know plenty of true liberals (marxists) and they are All pathetic. They are the last I would trust in any situation much less participate in how they "get down". Others have had to place their lives on the line for these morons....; many died to cover cover their a$$e$ so they can have the freedom to speak and act as they wish. Problem has been they will NOT do the same for them... they don't have the guts for it.

Geo, for some reason I truly believe you are ALL words...prove me wrong...

As for "reach-around mommas"...you can have them. :cheeky-smiley-025:

[geowhiz]

I know plenty of true liberals (marxists) and they are All pathetic. They are the last I would trust in any situation much less participate in how they "get down". Others have had to place their lives on the line for these morons....; many died to cover cover their a$$ so they can have the freedom to speak and act as they wish. Problem has been they will NOT do the same for them... they don't have the guts for it.

Geo, for some reason I truly believe you are ALL words...prove me wrong...

As for "reach-around mommas"...you can have them. :cheeky-smiley-025:


If you are saying that some folks with "liberal" leanings dont have cajones you are dead wrong. I have two Iraq vets working for me out in Wyoming, one a 10th Mtn Division and current National Guardsman who from what I hear was an absolute madman behind the gun, and who thinks Bush is a dick and Dick was a bush and who now enjoys drinking home-brew and riding his mountain bike on days off.

[Alasad PGen4]

If you are saying that some folks with "liberal" leanings dont have cajones you are dead wrong. I have two Iraq vets working for me out in Wyoming, one a 10th Mtn Division and current National Guardsman who from what I hear was an absolute madman behind the gun, and who thinks Bush is a dick and Dick was a bush and who now enjoys drinking home-brew and riding his mountain bike on days off.
http://www.tvofyourlife.com/images/DATINGGAMEBACHELORETTES01.jpg
Does he also enjoy quiet walks on the beach.

[Wolverine]

Gotta love hippie freaks!

6499



P.S. This pic was taken by some hippie freak 2,000 miles from my house that I downloaded off a random website, and I know nothing about it other than it's contents, which clearly show tomato plants and a Red Ryder BB gun.

Similarly, this photo was taken by some frothing at the mouth Neo-con in Cornholio , Colorado and I downloaded it off some extreme anti-porkulus package website where he posted it. It clearly shows medicinal organic Aloe Vera plants and a Barrett .50 BMG Semi Automatic "ASSAULT" Sniper Rifle.
:rock:

[Panther]

I'm glad that you are on the side of the Constitutionalists. That being said, it is not an assumption that gun control (aka disarming of the American people) is a Liberal stance. It is fact. Every bill introduced to limit the ownership of guns or ammunition is done so by liberal Democrats. If you wish to argue that point, please name me a piece of legislation that is currently pending - or has even been introduced in recent memory - by a conservative Republican. You can't - because it doesn't exist. Thus, this IS a battle against the Liberalista values (or lack thereof). It is the Liberals who claim that the Constitution is a 'living' document, and thus, subject to reinterpretation when it suits their needs.

We say, 'ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'.

Think REVOLUTION.

Do you remember Sen Hatch's (R-UT) S10?

[TerryTate]

I believe in the peoples right...i believe we have a right to free speach i believe all people are equal and should have equal rights to marriage...i believe a womens body is her own...

i have seen the Republicans Bow down to big industry for two long with Huge tax breaks for corporations incentives thrown all over the place...i believe our "Free Enterprise System" has broken down because of the Republicans Gifts to the large corporations...
I Have seen the Democrats bow down to the lower class for two long our "welfare system" has become a Joke and pay not the unemployable but the ones who have made the choice....

We need new Government...We need more going towards those in TRUE Need and NOTHING going towards ANY LARGE COMPANIES...We need to Cut a whole new Welfare system and Tax System...the democratic party while Over paying the People that don't want to work...Have always pushed for more for the middle class on a Consumer Based Economy...They've made moves away from paying off large corporations...Until recently

Bwhahahahaaaaa

The Dems are the answer to your concerns.

Bwwahahahahahaaaaa

You support a party that wants to eliminate your 2nd Amendment rights.

Incremental as it may be, they are eroding the right to bear arms, which is the main factor to guarantee your 1st amendment rights to say what you believe.

Without that right you can kiss all of your other less important issues goodbye.

If you wish to at least discuss and disagree on a political front you must be willing to defend those rights through the use of forceful action. No forceful action can even thought to be attempted without the right to bear arms.

Lose the right to bear arms and your concerns are moot.

No one will give a #$$# what you think.

Feel free to cloud the issue with all of those other concerns (which can be dealt with under the 1st amendment, but can be easily dismissed without the 2nd), but please spare me the BS that the Democratic Party is looking out for the American people by removing gun rights.

How hard headed are you to think people can't see through that BS.

[TerryTate]

Yah i'm pretty sure i didn't even mention Gun bans in my post...Nice stretch though...What are you going to bring up next the trickle down theory? :rofl:

Both parties have there faults...theres no doubt about that...i strongly appose any type of gun ban....but i also strongly appose restrictions on marriage or a womens right to her body....I believe the government should help people out..THAT TRUELY NEED IT...the whole welfare system needs to be shut down and revamped...I think our first amendment right is the most important right we can hold and can not be compromised in ANY way...I think Tax breaks should go to the middle class and low class...the large corporations should be taxed accordingly with NO TAX BREAKS

As you can tell i'm firmly on both sides of the fence...

This isn't really a Demo. vs Repub. thing for me...its a what i believe to be right and what i don't believe to be right thing....



Dude, you are as dumb as you sound.

It doesn't matter what you mentioned, other than to show how confused you are.

Basic logic dictates that the 2nd Amendment is more important than all of the issues that you keep trying to inject into the conversation.

You could have been talking about your support for transexuals, but that isn't the point.

Again you fail to see that your support of those other trivial issues allows the party you support to go after the 2nd amendment.

If the Dems tell you they'll support your desire to sleep with other men, does that make it alright for them to take away your 2nd amendment rights?

Just how dense are you.

The 2nd amendment trumps your desire to dress up like a woman, your desire to date your dog, or your desire to do anything abnormal.

Without the 2nd amendment, you will guarantee that none of your "issues" are heard.

If any party says they want to get rid of any part of your 2nd amendment rights, your response should be get lost. Regardless of whatever other things they tell you they would support.

I can guarantee you that if the Republicans said they wanted to get rid of any part of the 2nd amendment, that they would never, ever get my support.

Yet you continue to prattle on about being for the 2nd amendment, and all the while you support the very people that are incrementally removing it right in front of you.

I would say again that you are dense, but that is too light a description to describe your state of mind.

If you say you support the 2nd Amendment, then let your actions follow your words.

Enough of the BS.

And for the record, this thread, it's about the 2nd Amendment, not all the other carp you keep bringing up.

[COACH JACK]

It is "an AMERICAN issue" but at least 99% of gun rights infringement has been perpetrated by the left, that is just the facts.
Furthermore, the voting records of President Obama and Vice President Biden , coupled with the key players that they've assembled thus far, makes this the most anti-gun administration ever in U.S. history !
Clinton and his boys were pretty bad too!!

[geowhiz]

http://www.tvofyourlife.com/images/DATINGGAMEBACHELORETTES01.jpg
Does he also enjoy quiet walks on the beach.

Oh that's real cute. Tee hee hee. :yelrotflmao:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Without the First amendment your Gun don't matter

NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL


It is best not to argue,
But if you do at all,
Never do so with a fool.
A fool can defeat all.

He does not care for the facts.
He does not know debate.
He’s a stranger to reason.
Logic he can negate.


So..................Are you telling him not to argue with you because you will be the winner?:cheeky-smiley-025:

Just a question:drunk:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

I know i'm a fool...but i try hard not to show it atleast on here...i hate that a simple conversation about Gun Rights can turn into an argument about Political leanings....

I wish there was a party that followed my beliefs...but there isn't so i just have to fight against what i don't believe in and fight for what i do...no matter who's in power....Thats life right?

BTW Whats the Constitution parties stance on Gay Marriage, Abortion, Gun Rights and the first ammendment?
I love the fair tax...if it stays fair!

Yah just read it...the Constitution party is the republican party....Good luck with that guys

We're all fools for something.

The Constitution Party is not the Republican. While I side with both parties on certain things, there are definite differences.

My biggest reason for the push for the CP is to get the country back on track that made it the greatest country on earth. If nothing else, the CP has been a part of the awakening of the Rep party, but it may be too late already.

Ever notice how many immigrants (legal and illegal) flock in such numbers to other countries? It just doesn't happen.

But we have become so "diverse" that we are being divided into hundreds, if not thousands of petty, selfish idiots that want a special right for this, and a special right for that. This diversity IS what has divided the country to such a state of confusion.

We are being divided by the current two party government, and too many are so blinded by the promises of special rights, that they can't even see the division in front of their face, and it IS as clear as a light in the darkness. That light is now a train, and we are finding out that we are standing in a tunnel. And the selfish petty idiots stand there on the tracks with their arms wide open.

This is what I won't allow myself to be a fool for.

Take away guns first, and there will be no more right of free speech. The 1st and 2nd Amendments work hand in hand, but take away the speech and leave the guns, and the people can fight for rights because of the "strength" that gun ownership provides.

Rant done.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

This was in no way a Rant!! Great post!! A+!!:yes::clapping:

This is a thread about the 2nd amendment that i think i may have highjacked....i'm really sorry about that...One more thing?

If you take away the Guns first people are still informed and there are other ways to fight the government....Though no where near as effectively(Protests, Standing before congress, writing your representative)

If you take away your first amendment right...no one knows what rights are being stripped you can't even protest....You can protect yourself but there is no chance at mobilizing and making it known you don't want those rights taken...the could effectively strip all your rights before you even knew it happened

I agree with you...I do think the First and Second amendments stand hand in hand...thank you for that post...and again i'm sorry about highjacking this thread..you will hear nothing more from me about the first amendment....in this thread...

I actually think that the two are so important to each other, that they are nearly inseparable in importance, and should be spoken of together as often as possible.

Too many take either, or both too lightly, which adds to the divisions we are seeing all over.

1st Amendment,
2nd Amendment

These two alone can start the revolution this country is needing with this administration and congress.:yes::yes:

[Digiguy]

It's obvious that most Americans haven't experienced what it is to live in a country where a dictator rules at his own free will,does whatever he wants,disposes of you and your family as if you were his personal property,encarcerates anyone who oposes his rules,no matter if his rules are against the will of the people,has the entire population in need of just about everything needed to sustain a decent way of life,and in spite of all this and many other arbitrary measures against the people,he always,and I mean always gets away with it,and now you're probably asking yourselves,how can someone like that can do it?--very simple:
ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS HE DID WAS TO COMPLETELY DISARM THE ENTIRE POPULATION,SO NO ONE COULD REBEL AGAINST HIM.
(This actually happened in Germany in 1933,and in Cuba in 1959).
PEOPLE OF AMERICA,DON'T LET A GROUP OF ILL INTENTIONED LIBERALS FOOL YOU LIKE THEY HAVE OTHERS IN THE PAST,DON'T LET THEM TAKE AWAY FROM YOU ONE OF YOUR MOST SACRED RIGHTS GUARANTEED BY THE SECOND AMMENDMENT,THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS,THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE AND THE DEFENSE OF YOUR FAMILY AND LOVED ONES!!!

[TerryTate]

Without the First amendment your Gun don't matter

NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL


It is best not to argue,
But if you do at all,
Never do so with a fool.
A fool can defeat all.

He does not care for the facts.
He does not know debate.
He’s a stranger to reason.
Logic he can negate.

In the end the fool will win,
His logic is so strong!
Decides what he does not like
And then it must be wrong!

It’s better to keep quiet
When challenged by a fool.
Else, to prove his own wisdom,
He will make you a tool.

It is hence my policy
To not respond to those
Who ask questions not to learn
But to be bellicose.


You are right.

You are a fool.

I probably shouldn't answer you, but fortunately, it is not you that I am concerned about.

How exactly is one to resist a tyrannical government without the force of arms?

Free speech alone?

What a joke.

Tell that to the 11+ million victims of Hitler.

Tell that to the 20+ million victims of Stalin.

Tell that to the 60+ million victims of Mao.

Tell that to the founders of this great nation.

When a tyrannical government comes after you and shuts down your freedom to dissent through the force of arms while you have none, at that time, then you can tell the victims who were foolish enough to listen to the foolhardy words of someone like you, to stand up and speak out. Maybe they'll get a few words out before they are struck down by the fist of totalitarianism.

You say you support the 2nd Amendment.

I see your words, hollow as they are, how you layer them with honey trying to entice the less than astute observers among us. It simply doesn't ring true whilst you say in one thread that you are a gun totin 2nd amendment believing American, only to change tact in another thread to state the Democrats are right, and we should support them. Hell you and I argued just yesterday about how you wanted to restrict guns based upon your opinion (http://www.investorsiraq.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=858403). How absurd are you. You say you believe in the 2nd Amendment, yet you try to get people to support the party that wants to get rid of it through incrementally wittlling it down to nothing. How beneficial for us as a country to allow one of our top rights to be taken away through politics. If you truly believe in the 2nd Amendment then the Democrats would be anathema to you, because you would see them for the 2nd amendment enemies that they are.

I'm getting so sick of charlatans like you, posing as one thing in order to try and influence public opinion in a manner that would ultimately lead to the very destruction of this country's constitution.

You say this is not a Republican or Democrat issue, but it is. Maybe you don't support banning the 2nd Amendment, but this is where you get cock-eyed, because you see, your political party does. Maybe you just haven't figured out that your Democrat party has left your concerns behind, but I doubt it. I'm fairly certain that you know, full well, that they are a bunch of gun grabbing Nazi's, but you're certain to make excuses for them, so that others will continue to blissfully continue down the path to oblivion.

Only a fool would refuse to see that it would be impossible to insure the guarantee of the 1st amendment without the right to self defense that the 2nd amendment secures.

As you've already established yourself as the fool, it is clear that the common sense and logic are lost upon you, but here goes....

Many, like you, have suggested that the 1st amendment is the most important right stated within the amendments of the constitution. They have even suggested that it was written first as it was the most important. Quite simply though, the framers wrote it in a logical sense. First they established that they had the right of freedom of speech, and then, secondly, they established how they were going to keep that freedom of speech through the right to bear arms.

They didn't put the cart before the horse. They were logical, they established the order which would be essential to keep the other, at all costs. In the end, which right would insure the other. Of course they would rather have things accomplished through speech alone, but when necessary they knew it must be backed through force of arms. If you answer honestly, you'll know that a mouth can be shut without the right to bear arms.

One can only hope that others are not influenced by such nonsensical and contradictory positions as you put forth.

Please folks, do not support political parties which try to limit our constitutional right of self defense by getting rid of all or part of the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. Ultimately such action will lead to the elimination of our rights of freedom of speech and our rights of self determination.

:fubar:

:headbang:

[FutureKing&Queen]

All I know is, without the 2nd, there IS no 1st!
(Didn't read thru all the hoopla, just my 2 cents)

[TerryTate]

If you take away your first amendment right...no one knows what rights are being stripped you can't even protest....You can protect yourself but there is no chance at mobilizing and making it known you don't want those rights taken...the could effectively strip all your rights before you even knew it happened

Geeze Louise.

Arghhhhhhh.

Did you actually think that thought out loud?

No wonder you vote Democrat, it is pie in the sky. Purely azz-backwards.

If a government strips away your right to bear arms , freedom of speech doesn't mean CARP.

You will get nothing, even with freedom of speech, because they will simply say you don't have the right to dissent or ignore you since you have no real power.

So, you say you don't believe that they'll ignore the citizens freedom of speech eh? So, what is Barack Obama's actual citizenship status anyway? He's had to surrender that document right?

:rolleyes:

Only through force of arms can you insure that your protest would be heard, and your rights enforced as they would have to fight you to enforce their unjust decree.

How hard is it to understand.

Bearing arms guarantees your right to open your mouth, by forcing the other party not to infringe upon your freedom of speech as you will mobilize to enforce the rights you have. Without the arms for protection of those rights, the rights are simply words on a piece of paper.

As the government would be the only one with weapons, guess who's opinion would count.

No duh, huh?

[MR. VEGAS]

Just got my bonus and I plan to get a gun this weekend.

[ptolemy]

ABOUT TIME ...!!! We need to get the entire NRA membership out there...That will scare the s..t out of them.

[AZDinar]

Just got my bonus and I plan to get a gun this weekend.

I vote this as the best post of the entire thread.:clapping::clapping::clapping:

[SuperMario]

Only problem I see is that the spring of 2010 may be too late as they are trying to push as much through ASAP!

They are most willing to take guns away from the general public, but do you seriously think gangs would ever give their guns up?...or do you really think the gov will be going after them because they failed to register their guns with DC?

We all know there are more than enough laws already that if enforced would go a long way to cleaning up the bad guys on the streets. No, they are not interested in that, too many obstacles, ACLU, MALDEF & a host of others to protect the bangers.

Obama could disarm all of us, then recruit the armed gangs to be his new civilian para-military organization. Kills two birds with one stone......

[Bart]

It's obvious that most Americans haven't experienced what it is to live in a country where a dictator rules at his own free will,does whatever he wants,disposes of you and your family as if you were his personal property,encarcerates anyone who oposes his rules,no matter if his rules are against the will of the people,has the entire population in need of just about everything needed to sustain a decent way of life,and in spite of all this and many other arbitrary measures against the people,he always,and I mean always gets away with it,and now you're probably asking yourselves,how can someone like that can do it?--very simple:
ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS HE DID WAS TO COMPLETELY DISARM THE ENTIRE POPULATION,SO NO ONE COULD REBEL AGAINST HIM.
(This actually happened in Germany in 1933,and in Cuba in 1959).
PEOPLE OF AMERICA,DON'T LET A GROUP OF ILL INTENTIONED LIBERALS FOOL YOU LIKE THEY HAVE OTHERS IN THE PAST,DON'T LET THEM TAKE AWAY FROM YOU ONE OF YOUR MOST SACRED RIGHTS GUARANTEED BY THE SECOND AMMENDMENT,THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS,THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE AND THE DEFENSE OF YOUR FAMILY AND LOVED ONES!!!

This is exactly what the framers of the Constitution experienced. They rejected the tyranny of Britain and carefully worded the Constitution limiting the Federal Govt and protecting the rights they deemed sacred.

Here is one of the best videos I've seen lately on 2A

http://www.jpfo.org/media-vid/2a-full.wmv (approx 20 minutes)

This group appears to be defending the right to bear arms more so than the NRA
http://www.jpfo.org/index.htm

The site itself is biased toward the Jewish faith, which is ok, but it reafirms and references the right of self defense from multiple faiths. The information on the site is good, especially about God given rights and references to our rights to defend ourselves.

Bart

[Bart]

I vote this as the best post of the entire thread.:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I'll second that! :muscle:

Can I put my stimulus check toward ammo ? :yelrotflmao:

Bart

[AZDinar]

The site itself is biased toward the Jewish faith, which is ok, but it reafirms and references the right of self defense from multiple faiths. The information on the site is good, especially about God given rights and references to our rights to defend ourselves.

Bart

We NEED the Jewish people to stop constantly moving towards a socialistic state and affirm freedom and capitalism. They are an enigma to me. On one hand they are some of the wealthier members (as a group) of society, with a history rich in capitalism, and on the other hand, they constantly support a party who strives to take away or excessively tax the rewards of hard work and entrepreneurship. The fact that there is a Jewish group that recognizes the importance of the Second Amendment, and it's ramifications to a free society, gives me hope that they will come to their senses and start seeing the Democrat party for what they are.

[Bart]

We NEED the Jewish people to stop constantly moving towards a socialistic state and affirm freedom and capitalism. They are an enigma to me. On one hand they are some of the wealthier members (as a group) of society, with a history rich in capitalism, and on the other hand, they constantly support a party who strives to take away or excessively tax the rewards of hard work and entrepreneurship. The fact that there is a Jewish group that recognizes the importance of the Second Amendment, and it's ramifications to a free society, gives me hope that they will come to their senses and start seeing the Democrat party for what they are.

Although your points are well taken and I can agree on some points, I'm not sure it is the entire Jewish faith behind all this, only a subset of them called Zionists. Similar statements can be said about radical Islam and other faiths.

Let's not condemn an entire faith for a few elitists.

Not to change the subject of the thread, I only wanted to post what I thought was an informative video and informative site referring to the 2nd amendment.

Bart.

[tlagiloi]

Well they're obviously giving a lot of us time to prepare for it
and make arrangements to participate....

Looks like I might finally be in a March to D.C.
We need a few million responsible people to show up
and D.C. idjits might finally get the idea

[2fingers]

how do you think this protest will be reported ? a secnond amendt thing or montana milicha[sic] radicual raciest againt obama?[many sics]

[ptolemy]

This protest has got to be the biggest DC has ever seen...I mean in the millions!

[Nidster]

Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from
extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and
defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people.
Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again.

Ronald Reagan

Commies, Liberals, Marxists, Socialists ---- What's the difference????

The time to organize is NOW.....................................

Get to it!!!!!

[Bart]

Commies, Liberals, Marxists, Socialists ---- What's the difference????

Only a new ring leader --->>> That one!

Bart

[TOOLSHED]

[quote=geowhiz;862833]Ok, you guys go play with your guns and tell Washington you aren't happy campers because they are going to take your "rights" away, Ill stay at home with my commie friends and have a great big group hug..


I've got a better idea why don't you just allow us to send you a one way ticket for you and your commie friends. Just gotta promise you'll use it.

[ptolemy]

I encourage all who believe in the Constitution and especially the 2nd Amendment to join your state's Citizens Defense League. Many in this country are now beginning to mobilize.

Pass this information on to other websites.