Gonna go out on a limb here.....

[bagzz]

I have it in good authority that the RV will be pegged in Mid August 2005! That's right 2005, I said it right.
http://www.investorsiraq.com/93387-post1.html
"Here is what I have found out from my BEST source. And I have since confirmed it with two other sources who ARE NOT affiliated with the IIF.

The peg announcement will be made behind closed doors this Sunday.

On Monday or Tuesday that announcement will be made public, my sources are still holding strong to the .41 peg…. It’s said to be a “done deal”

It will open on the FOREX the 16th of this month. They will use the press release on the 16th to recap the recent events.

Again, this has been confirmed by THREE contacts/sources other then any IIF members. This information has also been passed on to other “well informed” IIF members via PM’s and e-mail and they too are agreeing that this is what their sources are saying too. And I assure you this; my contacts are not the same as theirs.

I called my source that said that thing will happen before this Friday, he still is holding on to his info and stated “Friday is not over” but common sense has set in and I agree with other IIF members (said in PM’s) that it will not happen today.

Some have PM’ed me asking me how confident I am about the upcoming events, I stand behind my sources and will quote to you what they have said……

110%"

SO, since the Speculation and Rumors Section has become an only positive rumors allowed here zone, then the .41 reval from the best sources should be welcome.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/152699-post61.html

If you don't believe rumors, you are not forced to post here. If you feel you must post a rebuttal, there is a rule about rebuttals:

Is the post an opposing rebuttal?
If yes, does the opposing rebuttal provide supportive information, either fact or speculation towards the subject (not the member), that equally passes the aroma test.
If not then it will be rejected.
NOTE: The rebuttal can be speculative and without links/written facts, but the speculation also must to pass the same smell test as the rumor.http://www.investorsiraq.com/speculation-rumors/12004-five-point-test.html

I just want to be clear here. in this section, speculation and rumors that are poisitve can be totally unsubstantiated and require no support, while any rebuttal must be accompanied by "supportive information" or it will be rejected. So, as many of the threads on this board demonstrate, an individual can start a thread based on what his/her/it's brother/uncle/janitor heard and post it as a valid rumor. The thread my continue with multiple "I like your thinking", "best news yet", "thanks for providing the information", "you're the type of poster that makes this site great", "yada, yada, yada ...", "blah, blah, blah..." posts repeating themselves for all eternity. But if somebody else offers an "I don't really think so because....." post, the balance of the universe is knocked askew somehow. I'm just trying to understand the definition of a "discussion" board. Here it's defined as a groupthink community apparently. OK, now the ground rules are clear, please let us continue.

Aug 2005
BEST source
Confirmed with TWO other souces outside of IIF
.41
110%

See you at the reval party last month!

Cheers,
Bagzz

[Uno]

Bagzz....
Did you read the 5 step process?
If you did, you obviously missed the point.

The rebuttal can be an opinion.
It can be a counter argument. If you disagree, say why you do.

But EVERYONE is placed on notice that ALL POSTS (either for or against the rumor)must be respectful and about the topic.
NO SARCASTIC or DEGRADING RESPONSES about the rumor poster or his sources.

That is the just of the rules.

The "smell test" basically eliminates outlandish dreaming. What is an example of this? Well...it depends...but I guarantee we mods will recognize a post that does not pass the smell test when we see it.

On a final note, if you have a question about the rules, please address it by PM to the mods. We are happy to help. THere is no need take a thread off topic with your sarcastic interpretation of the rules.

[buck74]

I have it in good authority that the RV will be pegged in Mid August 2005! That's right 2005, I said it right.
http://www.investorsiraq.com/93387-post1.html
"Here is what I have found out from my BEST source. And I have since confirmed it with two other sources who ARE NOT affiliated with the IIF.

The peg announcement will be made behind closed doors this Sunday.

On Monday or Tuesday that announcement will be made public, my sources are still holding strong to the .41 peg…. It’s said to be a “done deal”

It will open on the FOREX the 16th of this month. They will use the press release on the 16th to recap the recent events.

Again, this has been confirmed by THREE contacts/sources other then any IIF members. This information has also been passed on to other “well informed” IIF members via PM’s and e-mail and they too are agreeing that this is what their sources are saying too. And I assure you this; my contacts are not the same as theirs.

I called my source that said that thing will happen before this Friday, he still is holding on to his info and stated “Friday is not over” but common sense has set in and I agree with other IIF members (said in PM’s) that it will not happen today.

Some have PM’ed me asking me how confident I am about the upcoming events, I stand behind my sources and will quote to you what they have said……

110%"

SO, since the Speculation and Rumors Section has become an only positive rumors allowed here zone, then the .41 reval from the best sources should be welcome.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/152699-post61.html


I just want to be clear here. in this section, speculation and rumors that are poisitve can be totally unsubstantiated and require no support, while any rebuttal must be accompanied by "supportive information" or it will be rejected. So, as many of the threads on this board demonstrate, an individual can start a thread based on what his/her/it's brother/uncle/janitor heard and post it as a valid rumor. The thread my continue with multiple "I like your thinking", "best news yet", "thanks for providing the information", "you're the type of poster that makes this site great", "yada, yada, yada ...", "blah, blah, blah..." posts repeating themselves for all eternity. But if somebody else offers an "I don't really think so because....." post, the balance of the universe is knocked askew somehow. I'm just trying to understand the definition of a "discussion" board. Here it's defined as a groupthink community apparently. OK, now the ground rules are clear, please let us continue.

Aug 2005
BEST source
Confirmed with TWO other souces outside of IIF
.41
110%

See you at the reval party last month!

Cheers,
Bagzz


These were bad times indeed.

[bagzz]

..... Moi?


Bagzz....
Did you read the 5 step process?
If you did, you obviously missed the point.

The rebuttal can be an opinion.
It can be a counter argument. If you disagree, say why you do.

But EVERYONE is placed on notice that ALL POSTS (either for or against the rumor)must be respectful and about the topic.
NO SARCASTIC or DEGRADING RESPONSES about the rumor poster or his sources.

That is the just of the rules.

The "smell test" basically eliminates outlandish dreaming. What is an example of this? Well...it depends...but I guarantee we mods will recognize a post that does not pass the smell test when we see it.

On a final note, if you have a question about the rules, please address it by PM to the mods. We are happy to help. THere is no need take a thread off topic with your sarcastic interpretation of the rules.

OK, UNO, my bad. Here's the thing though. I used to be here on IIF all the time, mostly I responded to politics, but I do have my opinions on the investment as well. My problem is that since I'm not on board with the full optimism that many here share, my voice and others of like mind are ostricized, put down, belittled and just genreally treated like teenage mutant leper turtles. Tell me I'm wrong, better yet show me. For every instance that a rumor poster is insulted by a "naysayer" (which in itself is an insulting term), I'll show you five where rumor apologists have more viciously attacked a questioner of rumor. Tell you what, for that matter, for every instance that a sceptic, any sceptic, insuted a rumor poster without being insulted first, I'll show an example where I was insulted for being sceptical. An I don't post all that much anymore (wonder why?).

I am 100% serious about this. Anybody who has been here long enough knows me well enough to agree that I am ready, willing, and able to back up any of my challenges.

Sarcastic? Perhaps.... But sarcasm is a better route than bitterness IMHO.

I do seriously think that if you want to have a place where only good news, happy, happy, joy, joy rumor talk is allowed with no dissenting views or heaven forbid sarcasm is allowed, make a threads topic for that. But I would also humbly submit that you also create a threads topic where rumor discussions can take place as well.

Cheers

[Michwlv]

I
I just want to be clear here. in this section, speculation and rumors that are poisitve can be totally unsubstantiated and require no support, while any rebuttal must be accompanied by "supportive information" or it will be rejected. So, as many of the threads on this board demonstrate, an individual can start a thread based on what his/her/it's brother/uncle/janitor heard and post it as a valid rumor. The thread my continue with multiple "I like your thinking", "best news yet", "thanks for providing the information", "you're the type of poster that makes this site great", "yada, yada, yada ...", "blah, blah, blah..." posts repeating themselves for all eternity. But if somebody else offers an "I don't really think so because....." post, the balance of the universe is knocked askew somehow. I'm just trying to understand the definition of a "discussion" board. Here it's defined as a groupthink community apparently. OK, now the ground rules are clear, please let us continue.

Bagzz

I've only been here a couple months and I can see that all these rumors are dropped to sell dinar. Whoever set this forum up is probably a dinar dealer himself.

Look the forum is listed on google and other search engines. Its a perfect sales scheme. It drives unsuspecting people to this forum. Where the news about the dinar is always positive.

The people then buy, buy, buy, and enrich who ever set the whole thing up.

It's really a genius idea. Wish I would have thought of it myself.

[Sporter]

I've only been here a couple months and I can see that all these rumors are dropped to sell dinar. Whoever set this forum up is probably a dinar dealer himself.

Look the forum is listed on google and other search engines. Its a perfect sales scheme. It drives unsuspecting people to this forum. Where the news about the dinar is always positive.

The people then buy, buy, buy, and enrich who ever set the whole thing up.

It's really a genius idea. Wish I would have thought of it myself.

After the late summer rumors, the people in the know will not buy more dinar based on rumors. The facts will speak for themselves and this game is getting good. I think all of the sellers during the past year will be kicking themselves in 06'

[Michael44]

I have it in good authority that the RV will be pegged in Mid August 2005! That's right 2005, I said it right.
http://www.investorsiraq.com/93387-post1.html
"Here is what I have found out from my BEST source. And I have since confirmed it with two other sources who ARE NOT affiliated with the IIF.

The peg announcement will be made behind closed doors this Sunday.

On Monday or Tuesday that announcement will be made public, my sources are still holding strong to the .41 peg…. It’s said to be a “done deal”

It will open on the FOREX the 16th of this month. They will use the press release on the 16th to recap the recent events.

Again, this has been confirmed by THREE contacts/sources other then any IIF members. This information has also been passed on to other “well informed” IIF members via PM’s and e-mail and they too are agreeing that this is what their sources are saying too. And I assure you this; my contacts are not the same as theirs.

I called my source that said that thing will happen before this Friday, he still is holding on to his info and stated “Friday is not over” but common sense has set in and I agree with other IIF members (said in PM’s) that it will not happen today.

Some have PM’ed me asking me how confident I am about the upcoming events, I stand behind my sources and will quote to you what they have said……

110%"

SO, since the Speculation and Rumors Section has become an only positive rumors allowed here zone, then the .41 reval from the best sources should be welcome.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/152699-post61.html


I just want to be clear here. in this section, speculation and rumors that are poisitve can be totally unsubstantiated and require no support, while any rebuttal must be accompanied by "supportive information" or it will be rejected. So, as many of the threads on this board demonstrate, an individual can start a thread based on what his/her/it's brother/uncle/janitor heard and post it as a valid rumor. The thread my continue with multiple "I like your thinking", "best news yet", "thanks for providing the information", "you're the type of poster that makes this site great", "yada, yada, yada ...", "blah, blah, blah..." posts repeating themselves for all eternity. But if somebody else offers an "I don't really think so because....." post, the balance of the universe is knocked askew somehow. I'm just trying to understand the definition of a "discussion" board. Here it's defined as a groupthink community apparently. OK, now the ground rules are clear, please let us continue.

Aug 2005
BEST source
Confirmed with TWO other souces outside of IIF
.41
110%

See you at the reval party last month!

Cheers,
Bagzz


I believe everyone on this forum now knows (or should know) that Prior Dinar is a DEALER.

Just my humble opinion.

Take him off your buddy list.

[Sporter]

I believe everyone on this forum now knows (or should know) that Prior Dinar is a DEALER.

Just my humble opinion.

Take him off your buddy list.

Well he can be my buddy when this thing jumps off!, so what if he is a dealer?, would you refuse the chance to invest in one of the Worlds soon too be superpowers?.

[bagzz]

....to some extent.

After the late summer rumors, the people in the know will not buy more dinar based on rumors. The facts will speak for themselves and this game is getting good. I think all of the sellers during the past year will be kicking themselves in 06'
However comma the problem with that is that not everybody here was here through the Summer-Fall hype of 2005. But that's not really my point anyhow. I'm concerned a bit about the investors that may come here for the first time and read whatever rumor hype is posted at any given time (because there is always a new one or two going at any given day), but I figure that we're all adults here and shouldn't be investing/spending/gambling/whatever more than we can afford to lose.

My point is that I'd like to be able to discuss the rumors as they come up. There is obviously no way this is going to happen in the current IIF climate. George Orwell summarized very well, "all the animals are equal, just some are more equal than others". That seems to be the case in the rumors threads, if your rumor hints at vast wealth in the near future, you are obviously one of the 'more equal' members of the IIF animal kingdom. How can one possibly have a discussion on these terms? I really don't think anybody can make a coherent case that the rumor posters and more accurately their apologists/sycophants/toadies/optimists have NOT been markedly ruder to the sceptics (aka 'naysayers') than the other way around. That's my point! If anybody wants to investigate the unfortunate turn that this forum has taken especially regarding rumors, one needs only look at how anybody sceptical of a rumor is treated by the more equal members here. Am I wrong? Prove it.

I want to discuss the rumors as they come up. Is that really such a bad thing? Asking the rumor poster what they think about the source, why they trust the information, or to clarify what the rumor is contending IS NOT a personal attack on the rumor poster. Posting opinions about why somebody doesn't necessarily agree with the rumor, doesn't equate to an ad hominum attack on the rumor poster. Finally, being sarcastic about a situation that has by everybody involved's account become ridiculous is not synonomous with a degrading response.

Oh and by the way,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all y'all!

[RET]

Not that anyone is asking for my thoughts or even cares about my opinion ...

I must say. This kinda makes me feel .... "ill" is not the word ... I really don't know what I'd call it. In my humble opinion, I think this Rumor Forum is ridiculous. Period. It's caused NOTHING but negativity on the IIF. Some have tried to salvage it, but to no avail. It's like a cancer. I've been here long enough to see it. Being a mod, I have to read some of the silliness that's posted here. It was started to help keep this place more organized, on track, streamlined .. whatever you want to call it. It was fine for a while then all of a sudden, someone passed out the stupid pills and some took a few too many. I'm 110% on that one.

I've not bought into the rumors, as others haven't. But I can tell you, not all rumors have been posted by dinar dealers. So, I must disagree with the statement that "all these rumors are dropped to sell more dinar". I can tell you that some people have actually heard "something" and they were simply the messenger ... thinking they were doing you all a favor and sharing the good news, others jumped on the bandwagon and pretty much did the 'yeh, what he said' thing and didn't know a thing or a 'source'. The problem lies with the person who reads the rumor and what he/she did or does with it. Do you believe it and go with it or do you do some due diligence of your own or even just practice COMMON SENSE when you process the information? I'm not sure why anyone has ever gotten worked up about the rumors and them not panning out. To read the angry posts from the past only made me think that certain members were ... to be honest .. quite low on intelligence. The only fingers that should be pointed should be at yourself if you allowed the RUMOR to become REALITY in your mind. I don't even think it is a matter of investing too much for those who get worked up .. I think for some it's a matter of impatience. It's really quite elementary, but somehow, it's become a huge issue here and on other forums. For crying out loud!

I WISH PEOPLE WOULD GET OVER IT AND QUIT BRINGING UP NAMES LIKE THE FAB 5 and whomever (too late for me to care if that's the proper use of english) members chose to put on some stupid pedestal. I don't give a flying flip if they are dealers, circus clowns or men who hold very high degrees. Plus, that's in the past ... leave it there.

Some of you need rumors to keep you going like I need Dr. Pepper each day. To each his own, I guess. But honestly .. why all of the talk about the dealer crap and who's lying or misleading or pumping you up? I don't care who is making money off of those who buy dinar. Why do you hold on to every date that's put out there? Why do you care about the hearsay, naysay, yaysay?

MY COMMON SENSE tells me that progress is being made but there's more that has to fall into place ... and ain't nobody gonna leak any kind of info.

Rambling ... so I'll close by summing it up in a few words ... QUIT MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A FRIGGIN MOLE HILL!

There's good info out there and it's in other parts of the forum ... read it! Research and post it! There's more to the IIF than the S/R forum .. and there's more to life than this dinar 'investment'.

Rambling again ... but wait ... I'm not done. :p

I agree with Bagzz about the climate in this particular forum. What saddens me is:

#1 - members view the WHOLE FORUM how they view the S/R section. Where's the negativity? Where's the bantering? HERE. You'll find plenty of positive threads elsewhere.
#2 - for some reasons, the personal attacks continue. Why is that? What is so difficult about BEING ADULTLIKE and DISCUSSING and DEBATING issues?

I wonder how stupid and selfish we appear to be to those brave men and women who are over there fighting and supporting the cause ... you know, the ones who actually play a part in making this whole deal possible? Not that other's opinions matter to some of you ... what I'm getting at is this ... FOCUS. Some of you have lost your focus probably. Your priorities may have become a little screwed up, perhaps. Quit knitpicking about the little things and look at the big picture.

I'm with you Bagzz ... let's discuss the rumors, let's learn from each other, let's be open minded ... let's see how many piercings I'm up to. Ya just gotta click my pic! :drunk: LOL

(Oh, sorry Jerry ... I know you hate it when I do the Oprah thing. LOL)

[R-MAN]

you tell'em ret...but i want to hear from TED BELL again...that was some funny stuff !!!!

[Lux]

Bagzz, I have since edited this post after re-reading your posts several times. It seems you are reaching out to the forum members to open up to discussion which I believe would be a good thing.

There numerous debates on this board by the likes of Good Karma and Icarus that have totally opposing views. Why are their discussions free flowing and short on silly rantings? Maybe it's because they take the time to post information that supports their views and opinions - not just a bunch of hair pulling and cat scratching.

I downgraded a member yesterday because he did absolutely nothing but INSTIGATE silly arguments. We're not going to let silly cat fights affect this forum like it did in the past.

I deal with members on BOTH sides of the ball. I do it via PM because I respect their contributions to the forum. I really don't care what their opinions are "high reval" or "total tank". I get complaints from both sides CONSTANTLY and I try to deal with their concerns. We try to be fair and we communicate. Nobody here posts more "positive information" than Good Karma and MRR and on several occasions BOTH were ready to leave this forum because they felt I was too heavy handed with them (I had rejected some posts). We discussed and found common ground.

I see the balance in the way some bring rebuttals to the dinar hype and they aren't being knocked for it (Icarus, Psychojerm, etc). They bring meat to the table, not just a bunch of "cynical opinion".

FOR THE RECORD I DON'T SEE THIS PEGGING HIGHER THAN .01-.02 WITH SLOW AND STEADY GROWTH OVER SEVERAL YEARS.

[RET]

...are you kidding me? That's not a picture of ME! It was my poor attempt to lighten this place up. Too stuffy in here. :drunk:

Sorry, Lux ... back to our 'regularly scheduled program'.

[Stash]

I dont come here as often any more, but when I do I have noticed an improvement in civil debate over the rumor heydays of a few months ago.

Being as civil debate isnt my specialty, I just read. :wave:

I agree with Sportslux that this site has improved, or else I intentionally avoided threads where civility was absent.

In a couple of weeks Iraq has another important election.
God Bless our Troops.

[messiah]

bagzz:


OK, UNO, my bad. Here's the thing though. I used to be here on IIF all the time, mostly I responded to politics, but I do have my opinions on the investment as well. My problem is that since I'm not on board with the full optimism that many here share, my voice and others of like mind are ostricized, put down, belittled and just genreally treated like teenage mutant leper turtles. Tell me I'm wrong, better yet show me. For every instance that a rumor poster is insulted by a "naysayer" (which in itself is an insulting term), I'll show you five where rumor apologists have more viciously attacked a questioner of rumor. Tell you what, for that matter, for every instance that a sceptic, any sceptic, insuted a rumor poster without being insulted first, I'll show an example where I was insulted for being sceptical. An I don't post all that much anymore (wonder why?).


I totally understand what you mean. I've been floating around this board since its infancy. What I've noticed over the past year is that you have a few that generate a substantial number of post with very little substance, but yet, they are the most opinionated. Then there are those that claim to be "In-The-Know", however, their predictions and speculations are recurrently way off base. I think everyone's views or opinions are valued. No one should feel like a peon whether you are new member or a IIF old timer. I really didn't start seeing the detractors or "naysayers" appear on the board until after April 2005. After that, IIF has gotten a bit out of hand. The crushing weight of negativity even dissuaded me from posting for awhile!

Now that I got that off my chest, I insist that you continue to add to the great wealth of knowledge accumulated on the board. bagzz, you have always been one of the posters that are well respected. Don't waiver for anyone my friend! :wave:

[Dinaress]

Wow, hey Bagzz ..its been a while since i have been over here to post or to read. Its always a pleasure to see you.
I read your post and i really enjoyed the message.
Its not exactly like nobody knows who we are and what our stance is on Iraqs progress. That is if they read my posts.
I have spent countless hours doing research in order to support the mission and this forum since i joined last November...but i didn't even recieve a anniversary card....I feel my contributions warrant me to have a voice here and hope what i say reaches those who need to hear it..

To say that i am a naysayer contradicts what i believe in my heart and everything i contribute to the forums. It takes time to build a nation and i know they are working on it as fast as can possibly be done..my hats off to those working so hard.
Its been a difficult journey at times and other times there have been great debates, but that long been forgotten.
When i first joined IIF i brought with me several news resources that have guided our way to the final phase of Iraqs' great struggle to gain independence and development of a strong nation with a governing body that can lead them forward to prosperity. I have totally given them my support and encouragment at every crossroad.
We have all enjoyed and cringed over the long and difficult battle and many people have suffered and died in the wake of freedom.
Its dishearting to see the path that IIFs gravitational pull became...
Not a source of news and progress but that of hype and cheerleaders of rumors that have done nothing constructive except to line the pockets of dinar salesmen.
I have a multitude of reasons for remaining mute here, but i chose not to do so....why?
Because doing whats true and faithful toward the Iraqi people and our coalition is what motivates my actions.
To lead rumorers...shame on you for poor judgement and for those that profit from it..shame on you too for not respecting the people who have given their all in support of OIF...the naysayers as they are labeled have given you far more than can be measured in money.
We have people from all over the world who are viewing what transpires in this forum...what messages do you send?
If you place yourself at the computer of an innocent Iraqi reading the rumors for months you could understand what my thoughts are at this very moment.
You can have 5 point plans, 'smell tests' that stink, rumors and cheerleaders til the sun sets but the outcome is entirely out of reach for anyone to speculate on factually and thats the real story.
If i have ever been disappointed its not because i did not try my best.
Begging and pleading, then bringing to light the obsurdity of rumors has only led to dissention and threats against me.
I have have however found a new path to continue my support of the OIF mission .....which will be put down in history as one of our great accomplishments.
I am happy to be a part of the process in what little way i can...

Thanks again Bagzz,
God Bless the coalition and the good people of Iraq...may you have many blessings
"D"

[stephen]

Wow, hey Bagzz ..its been a while since i have been over here to post or to read. Its always a pleasure to see you.
I read your post and i really enjoyed the message.
Its not exactly like nobody knows who we are and what our stance is on Iraqs progress. That is if they read my posts.
I have spent countless hours doing research in order to support the mission and this forum since i joined last November...but i didn't even recieve a anniversary card....I feel my contributions warrant me to have a voice here and hope what i say reaches those who need to hear it..

To say that i am a naysayer contradicts what i believe in my heart and everything i contribute to the forums. It takes time to build a nation and i know they are working on it as fast as can possibly be done..my hats off to those working so hard.
Its been a difficult journey at times and other times there have been great debates, but that long been forgotten.
When i first joined IIF i brought with me several news resources that have guided our way to the final phase of Iraqs' great struggle to gain independence and development of a strong nation with a governing body that can lead them forward to prosperity. I have totally given them my support and encouragment at every crossroad.
We have all enjoyed and cringed over the long and difficult battle and many people have suffered and died in the wake of freedom.
Its dishearting to see the path that IIFs gravitational pull became...
Not a source of news and progress but that of hype and cheerleaders of rumors that have done nothing constructive except to line the pockets of dinar salesmen.
I have a multitude of reasons for remaining mute here, but i chose not to do so....why?
Because doing whats true and faithful toward the Iraqi people and our coalition is what motivates my actions.
To lead rumorers...shame on you for poor judgement and for those that profit from it..shame on you too for not respecting the people who have given their all in support of OIF...the naysayers as they are labeled have given you far more than can be measured in money.
We have people from all over the world who are viewing what transpires in this forum...what messages do you send?
If you place yourself at the computer of an innocent Iraqi reading the rumors for months you could understand what my thoughts are at this very moment.
You can have 5 point plans, 'smell tests' that stink, rumors and cheerleaders til the sun sets but the outcome is entirely out of reach for anyone to speculate on factually and thats the real story.
If i have ever been disappointed its not because i did not try my best.
Begging and pleading, then bringing to light the obsurdity of rumors has only led to dissention and threats against me.
I have have however found a new path to continue my support of the OIF mission .....which will be put down in history as one of our great accomplishments.
I am happy to be a part of the process in what little way i can...

Thanks again Bagzz,
God Bless the coalition and the good people of Iraq...may you have many blessings
"D"

i think everyone wants to see this pan out and just about everyone will make significant donations to military and charity sources if it does....everyone has their own way of contributing to the board....not everyone gets an "anniversary card"....

[BABYBULL24]

What is the point of bringing back a rumor from 4 months ago and trying to make some point? The point may have been well taken.... say 3 months ago when the Fab 5 was till around. Hey news flash - those guys have left the building!!!

110% 4sure.

[millionairetobe71]

I have it in good authority that the RV will be pegged in Mid August 2005! That's right 2005, I said it right.
http://www.investorsiraq.com/93387-post1.html
"Here is what I have found out from my BEST source. And I have since confirmed it with two other sources who ARE NOT affiliated with the IIF.

The peg announcement will be made behind closed doors this Sunday.

On Monday or Tuesday that announcement will be made public, my sources are still holding strong to the .41 peg…. It’s said to be a “done deal”

It will open on the FOREX the 16th of this month. They will use the press release on the 16th to recap the recent events.

Again, this has been confirmed by THREE contacts/sources other then any IIF members. This information has also been passed on to other “well informed” IIF members via PM’s and e-mail and they too are agreeing that this is what their sources are saying too. And I assure you this; my contacts are not the same as theirs.

I called my source that said that thing will happen before this Friday, he still is holding on to his info and stated “Friday is not over” but common sense has set in and I agree with other IIF members (said in PM’s) that it will not happen today.

Some have PM’ed me asking me how confident I am about the upcoming events, I stand behind my sources and will quote to you what they have said……

110%"

SO, since the Speculation and Rumors Section has become an only positive rumors allowed here zone, then the .41 reval from the best sources should be welcome.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/152699-post61.html


I just want to be clear here. in this section, speculation and rumors that are poisitve can be totally unsubstantiated and require no support, while any rebuttal must be accompanied by "supportive information" or it will be rejected. So, as many of the threads on this board demonstrate, an individual can start a thread based on what his/her/it's brother/uncle/janitor heard and post it as a valid rumor. The thread my continue with multiple "I like your thinking", "best news yet", "thanks for providing the information", "you're the type of poster that makes this site great", "yada, yada, yada ...", "blah, blah, blah..." posts repeating themselves for all eternity. But if somebody else offers an "I don't really think so because....." post, the balance of the universe is knocked askew somehow. I'm just trying to understand the definition of a "discussion" board. Here it's defined as a groupthink community apparently. OK, now the ground rules are clear, please let us continue.

Aug 2005
BEST source
Confirmed with TWO other souces outside of IIF
.41
110%

See you at the reval party last month!

Cheers,
Bagzz


I think that the only way to determine veracity on this argument is wait and see what is going to happen during the dates provided by bagzz..matter fact, I probably one of those who will watch very closely, especially on the 16 ofDec and see what happens,.... Keeping in mind, of course, a rumor is just that, a rumor, nothing less, nothing more. If the rumor holds it true, we are going to be extremely happy,, and we will jumping around and thinking how great bagzz was that accurately described what just took place and getting into virtual r/v parties and so on....if it doesn't happens, well, simple, it then will just another rumor. Simple. Nothing to raise a fuss about. Nor to get mad if it doesn't materialized. And we al be happy just like a happy family singing along.

[lordrazor1]

I'm neither a yeasayer, or naysayer, a rumor to me has no validity, just like someones opinion. But I think from what I use to read is that no one asked intellegent questions to the poster of the rumor, it was just opinons and name calling. Can't really discuss anything intellengently with that going on, because all that causes is more name calling and more useless information. I think that is why some of the rules popped up. Just my two cents.

[Lux]

I've only been here a couple months and I can see that all these rumors are dropped to sell dinar. Whoever set this forum up is probably a dinar dealer himself.

Look the forum is listed on google and other search engines. Its a perfect sales scheme. It drives unsuspecting people to this forum. Where the news about the dinar is always positive.

The people then buy, buy, buy, and enrich who ever set the whole thing up.

It's really a genius idea. Wish I would have thought of it myself.

I takse issue with such shallow thinking. If your post was so true than why did we shut this site down for 24 hours in the height of the Rumorfest? That would be like shutting down WalMart the day after Thanksgiving. That would make no "business sense" if you what you posted were true. That fact is, what you posted is so far removed from the truth it's bordering insult.

Here's some history for you since you haven't been around long enough to come to an accurate conclusion:

The Rumor Forum was once part of Iraqi Dinar - we moved it back in March to the bottom of what was then "The Good Stuff" forum. Why? Because it was getting TOO MUCH attention and our emphasis isn't rumors but facts and opportunities.

The Rumor Forum took a turn for the worse in July and August and we made a major overhaul that now puts emphasis on other forums. New members cannot even post in the Rumor Forum until they've passed a 30 day probationary period that proves they are here to contribute - not simply spread false rumors.

If your post were true we would not have taken this course of action. We would have set up individual forums for each rumor monger and placed it at the top of the forum. We would have pusshed this issue nnot pushed it back and squashed it like we did.
Rumors are a part of this forum because the members want it, not because we have hidden motives.

Yes, Google has our info so other people can find us and share their knowledge. It's the purpose of the forum.

If you have views different than this, that's your opinion, but we don't need misinformation about the purpose of this forum to be propogated like it was during Rumorfest.

My PM box if open if you care to discuss this any further.

Respectfully,

Lux

Edit:
The link at the top is provided as a service. Amer is a reputable dealer and no one is forced to buy from him. Membership doesn't require it as this forum is free to all. If anyone wants to buy dinar, they are free to do so wherever they want.

[Specul8tor]

............I've not bought into the rumors, as others haven't. But I can tell you, not all rumors have been posted by dinar dealers. So, I must disagree with the statement that "all these rumors are dropped to sell more dinar". I can tell you that some people have actually heard "something" and they were simply the messenger ... thinking they were doing you all a favor and sharing the good news, others jumped on the bandwagon and pretty much did the 'yeh, what he said' thing and didn't know a thing or a 'source'. The problem lies with the person who reads the rumor and what he/she did or does with it. Do you believe it and go with it or do you do some due diligence of your own or even just practice COMMON SENSE when you process the information? I'm not sure why anyone has ever gotten worked up about the rumors and them not panning out. To read the angry posts from the past only made me think that certain members were ... to be honest .. quite low on intelligence. The only fingers that should be pointed should be at yourself if you allowed the RUMOR to become REALITY in your mind. I don't even think it is a matter of investing too much for those who get worked up .. I think for some it's a matter of impatience. It's really quite elementary, but somehow, it's become a huge issue here and on other forums. For crying out loud!

I WISH PEOPLE WOULD GET OVER IT AND QUIT BRINGING UP NAMES LIKE THE FAB 5 and whomever (too late for me to care if that's the proper use of english) members chose to put on some stupid pedestal. I don't give a flying flip if they are dealers, circus clowns or men who hold very high degrees. Plus, that's in the past ... leave it there........

WELL-STATED, RET.... all of it. I dug it. :happy64:

[RET]

Thanks. I actually told another mod that I wanted to delete all that I posted.

[Specul8tor]

Now why do a silly thing like that........ ;)
You put out there what was on your mind (and likely on other minds as well)....

[RET]

I was very much one sided. I have other views on this issue, too. I just didn't share them.

I think this whole issue is very complex. :o

The S/R forum ... he's a beast! That's for sure! :drunk:

[Lux]

The Five Point Test was instituted by a mod a few weeks ago. The S&R Forum has become much more civil in my opinion since then. The screws have been tightened on discussion in the S&R forum in particular. I know we all feel the pented frustrations over the past, but some of this frustration is outdated.

If someone doesn't agree with anyone about anything anywhere on this board, there is a proper way to approach it.

Cynicism and sarcasm simply cannot be the thrust of any debate. Some people try to make a living on this board that way it and it breeds. anymosity. It diminishes the value of their points and exposes threads to long ramblings that aren't directly related to thread or even this board.

I expect things to improve, but it can only happen when people choose to post something of value, not merely a cynical opinion.

[RET]

when people choose

... and what they choose to do.

This didn't happen all by itself and it didn't happen overnight. It'll take a group effort to get where we want to go ... members and mods alike.

[Uno]

Bagzzz,
Your recollection of past rumor forum fiasco is correct. THe forum had a tough time and it brought us down.

Now we have a 5 step process. This has been in place for a couple of weeks. If everyone follows the 5 step process, the old problems will not creep up again.

If some one does NOT follow the process, we mods have documented procedures to evaluate and judge the posts more uniformly than in the past. Does it still require judgement on the part of the mod? Yes, but you can't totally get away from that.

The basic position of the mods, as sportlux eluded too, is we don't take sides with rumors. So please post what you think concerning the dinar/rumor...include justification if you can. But everyone WILL show manners, be cordial and respectful to others. The subject is the rumor, not the rumor poster or their sources. Respond about the rumor only.

Lastly, the rumor you quoted, or any past posts will not be moderated/changed to meet the new standards. We are busy enough with the new ones.
Rest assured, what happened a few weeks ago does not and will not happen now.
Give it some time, I think everyone will like the results.

Thanks

[Goalie Interference]

The goofiness of the past is precisely what has turned me (and obviously many others) into lurkers of this site, seeking only factual information about Iraq, the war, and the speculation. This place was out of control, and I applaud the efforts taken to bring sanity to the forefront. Having said that, I realize that effort will be tumultuous and difficult to achieve, being done primarily by volunteers. This place isn't perfect, and never will be, but at least there are efforts afoot to keep the lunacy under wraps. I'm certain there will be several more mutations before everything fades to black, and for that I think we should be thankful, as well as willing to participate and add input. As I see it, this forum is here for everyone to glean information from, add to, and participate in. Therefore, it is a reflection of us and will be what WE make it.

Good to see you again Bagzz and Dinaress. Whatever happened to so many of the old gang? Fomoco, Mucho, Bond007, and on and on.......... Chaka's in hiding, I know.

[Michael44]

Well he can be my buddy when this thing jumps off!, so what if he is a dealer?, would you refuse the chance to invest in one of the Worlds soon too be superpowers?.

You miss my point.
We are all (assumed) educated investors on this forum
Unrealistic hype and rumor do not help the education or expectations of the members of this forum.

I've seen them all come and go, man.

Just saying.....this investment in my opionion with not just CASH IN one day.
It will be a slow and steady progress.

If it RV's one day at .33 or .43 or 1.00 out of the blue as the dealers will have us believe, I will stand corrected and appoligize all the way to the bank.:happy64:

As far as do I want to invest in the next SUPERPOWER....I'm already there man. Your preaching to the choir.

[Lux]

This thread is an open discussion about the Speculation and Rumors Forum.

Please do not post rumors here.

It has been moved to Questions and Suggestions to further debate this issue.

[Judge Dredd]

I am getting a little tired of all the bickering in here by both posters and moderators. I have a really good idea. Wipe out all previous posts on The Speculation and Rumors forum and start with a clean slate. Then no one can have any past dirt to stick in anyone's face. Then we will get fresh excitment or fresh garbage. Then I think the posters AND moderators need to back down there sensitivity just a notch. This section should not turn into a slam fest but it should get a little heated and controversial, thats the spice of the whole section. Make it a bit of a brawl but not a free for all. I also think the moderators should be changed every now and then. Even the U.S. people like some change in politics every four years or so. How are the moderators picked? By Amer? (no motive behind that question, just curious).:rolleye03

[Good_Karma]

Hey that's a good idea. If a rumor doesn't pan out, erase it, kinda like a virus in a computer program. When a new rumor comes along, it's like reloading new software. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[dannykimji]

The stock market just open to us . Got thisform a major over there . ckeck it it out ........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lux]

The stock market just open to us . Got thisform a major over there . ckeck it it out ........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No they just opened a new building.

Thanks anyway!

[dannykimji]

NO you and other's can buy stock now go to http://isx-aman.com SEE......

[spectrans]

NO you and other's can buy stock now go to http://isx-aman.com SEE......
Not yet, but it does say within a few months


The company's financial website www.ISX-Aman.com provides investors of the Iraq Stock Exchange with the most timely and accurate information for their investment decisions.

The focus of the company is on planning a flexible, future proof and cost competitive technical platform to allow Aman Financial Services become a high-quality and reliable financial services provider positioned to serve for online securities trading on the Iraq Stock Exchange as soon as the ISX launch electronic trading.
The ISX is to launch automated Depository and Electronic Trading within few months.