Cross your fingers

[CaddieMan]

LONDON (Reuters) - Nearly three years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, financial markets will soon have the opportunity to pass judgment on the country's rebuilding process.


http://today.reuters.com/business/newsartical.axpx?

We will find out what the markets think shortly!!:confused:

[goldraker]

Come on Dinarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adster]

Can't open guys. :crying:

[Whats_UP]

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-01-18T111708Z_01_L18473271_RTRUKOC_0_US-MARKETS-IRAQ-DEBT.xml

[Adster]

Cheers matey. ;)

[TOM WALTERS]

seems that their are alot of econimist on this forum that have claimed they have done their home work on investing in the ID currency. it would seem
to me that Iraq has no choice, but to come out with a strong currency rate.
to give the people of iraq confidence in their new currency and democracy
that we shoved down their throats.if they decide to come out below 0.33
on the dollar , my believe is that the people of iraq won't trade in it. then causeing detention and civil unrest. my believe is that if they want the reconstruction efforts to create jobs and the building of their infrastruture.
they need to come in swinging with heavy bat. and give them their freedoms
see what this democracy is about. but this only my view piont. we and our allies have put not just money but sons and daughters lives to give them
choices they never had before. i pray that they make the right decisions
in geting Iraq on its feet and stable. for all this that we have done for the
name sake of Iraqi Freedom was all for nothing.

[goldraker]

I second that!!!!!!!!!!
Oh ya, you guys have to check out this website!http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
We are about to hit peak oil! We only have 30 to 40 years left of oil production! Soon gasoline will $ 7-10-15-20-100 and even 300 dollars a gallon! In this article they talk about currencies rising and falling. I am predicting a $ 6.00 to $ 20.00 Dinar within 22 years!

[goldraker]

My gift to you all!!!!!!!!!!

[WilliamMunny]

When oil runs out, we'll just switch to battery-powered cars, which while
they'll run much slower and take us longer to get places, will ultimiately save
a lot of lives.

Ultimately, there are only two other alternatives, nuclear or methane.
The universe, and many nearby (and not so nearby) planets are full of
methane,..enough to last our little planet hundreds of thousands of years.
Problem is getting the methane from Neptune,etc.

Eventually, fissionable nuclear power will give way to fusion, the so-called
safe nuclear fuel. It just requires heavy water (H2O2), liberates one
hydrogen atom, and generates drinking water.

Life here on earth will probably improve significantly when oil runs out.

[ladygolddinar]

When oil runs out, we'll just switch to battery-powered cars, which while
they'll run much slower and take us longer to get places, will ultimiately save
a lot of lives.

Ultimately, there are only two other alternatives, nuclear or methane.
The universe, and many nearby (and not so nearby) planets are full of
methane,..enough to last our little planet hundreds of thousands of years.
Problem is getting the methane from Neptune,etc.

Eventually, fissionable nuclear power will give way to fusion, the so-called
safe nuclear fuel. It just requires heavy water (H2O2), liberates one
hydrogen atom, and generates drinking water.

Life here on earth will probably improve significantly when oil runs out.
YOU FORGOT THE MULE TEAM!!!!!:wave:

[Garym]

No when the oil runs out thats when we all just start putting ethanol in our cars instead of gasoline. It's quick and easy and is renewable, it is derivative of corn. So the oil companies would no longer be the rich ones the farmers would be.

[Garym]

When the oil is gone all the middle east countries will see there exchange rates drop tramendously. And we in the us will start putting ethanol in our cars instead of gas. Ethanol is made from corn which is a renewable resource. Thus prices would go up if we had a bad drought, and the farmers would be the rich ones not the oil companies.

[goldraker]

No, No: If you closely read that report. You will or should know that all of that ethanol like stuff. Is made from, some form or another from oil. If you read that report, you will soon see. That the world is headed for the end of days! Without natural gas and oil we are a very cold slow WAR torn planet. Hydrogen sounds like the best bet. I also heard that Finland or one of those countries were using Hydrogen. For the buses and some others. It seems to be nonexistant or notdoable in the USA. According to that report, to date. Their is no invention that will get us out of this. If you think about it. EVERY thing material wise man made and natural/made usage known to man. Has had some type of oil usage involved. To produce, ship, manufacture all products, produce, energy. Everything relies on oil and gas and in 30 to 40 years. IT will be unattainable. Welcome to the BIG picture!

[ladygolddinar]

Like I said we will have the mule teams and we can get the old cow patties for heating, kerosene for lighting. Just think no more internet,electricity,cable tv,cell phones etc. Ahhh life to go back to the way it was suppose to be. LOL

[goldraker]

And that very well, will be the future. Sooner than you, might like to think. Man our POOR children!

[NanyaDinar]

Bio-diesel is the future. Its easy to produce in the United States, and it helps the farmers and local restaurants recylce their waste products.

[pvpeacock]

See: http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntn34225.htm

[WilliamMunny]

No, No: If you closely read that report. You will or should know that all of that ethanol like stuff. Is made from, some form or another from oil. If you read that report, you will soon see. That the world is headed for the end of days! Without natural gas and oil we are a very cold slow WAR torn planet. Hydrogen sounds like the best bet. I also heard that Finland or one of those countries were using Hydrogen. For the buses and some others. It seems to be nonexistant or notdoable in the USA. According to that report, to date. Their is no invention that will get us out of this. If you think about it. EVERY thing material wise man made and natural/made usage known to man. Has had some type of oil usage involved. To produce, ship, manufacture all products, produce, energy. Everything relies on oil and gas and in 30 to 40 years. IT will be unattainable. Welcome to the BIG picture!

What about all the oil and gas on Mars...?

[WilliamMunny]

Like I said we will have the mule teams and we can get the old cow patties for heating, kerosene for lighting. Just think no more internet,electricity,cable tv,cell phones etc. Ahhh life to go back to the way it was suppose to be. LOL

That's what methane is,..cow patties....and..(I know this sounds like a punchline) but the universe is full of it!!...:D

[Jerry]

CATS

Inventor turns dead cats into diesel

A German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel out of dead cats.

Dr Christian Koch, 55, from Kleinhartmannsdorf, said his method uses old tyres, weeds and animal cadavers.

They are heated up to 300 Celsius to filter out hydrocarbon which is then turned into diesel by a catalytic converter.

He said the resulting "high quality bio-diesel" costs just 15 pence per litre.

Koch said the cadaver of a fully grown cat can produce 2.5 litres of fuel - meaning around 20 cats are needed for a full tank.

He said: "I tank my car with my own diesel mixture and have driven it for 105,000 miles without any problems."

Annelise Krauss of the Dresden Animal Protection Association blasted Koch's new diesel though, saying: "This is as bad as experimenting on animals."

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu=

Heeeeere Kitty-Kitty...:D

[RET]

That's soooooooooo mean.:drunk:

[Soliel]

Hmmmm....I've got an idea....instead of using innocent creatures, why not bad humans? After all, isn't it the same organic matter?

[Soliel]

Hmmmmm.....if one can use cats, why not mean humans? After all, the kitties did nothing to deserve such a fate.

Why not use those humans who purposely harm these innocent creatures? We are all made up of the same organic matter, no? I would say using human cadavers would be more efficient as you get more bang for your buck for each life. No?


:D

[goldraker]

That's the strangest thing, I've ever heard of. Cadavers fuel, now that could be the future. Dead bodies for cash, we are headed for a scary future!

[dougmyers]

People seem to forget about Solar power cars, I think that in a few years we will see a car that is what ever color you order it and the whole body will be solar power cells made right into the whole body and with very very good batteries and electric motors.
Also some people don't remember it but old airplanes had wind generators on them at one time, why cant a car have a wind generator power in front in the grill that also charges battery's as the car moves or even sitting still facing into the wind.

A lot of things to consider!

[Jetsa]

I am semi-involved with a new technology that makes gas from plain water. There is already a welding machine/torch that is on the market that uses water to form a new gas that burns cleaner than any other device of the type. It gets very hot very quickly, actually gets as hot as it needs to on different types of metals. And all from plain H20. The byproduct, water, thus making it very safe for the environment. There is a prototype system that has been installed in an automobile that allows 50% added fuel mileage. This is not patented...yet, but the welder is as is the technology.

[Soliel]

I am glad you mentioned this. Haven't we all heard about certain alternative energy inventions that were bought out because it would interfere with oil company profits? I am willing to bet that they are out there still, waiting to be used at the right time.

Maybe we could do some sleuthing on the Internet, just for curiousity sake.



People seem to forget about Solar power cars, I think that in a few years we will see a car that is what ever color you order it and the whole body will be solar power cells made right into the whole body and with very very good batteries and electric motors.
Also some people don't remember it but old airplanes had wind generators on them at one time, why cant a car have a wind generator power in front in the grill that also charges battery's as the car moves or even sitting still facing into the wind.

A lot of things to consider!

[WilliamMunny]

...whatzit get?...Nine lives per gallon?




CATS

Inventor turns dead cats into diesel

[B]A German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel out of dead cats.

[WilliamMunny]

I am semi-involved with a new technology that makes gas from plain water. There is already a welding machine/torch that is on the market that uses water to form a new gas that burns cleaner than any other device of the type. It gets very hot very quickly, actually gets as hot as it needs to on different types of metals. And all from plain H20. The byproduct, water, thus making it very safe for the environment. There is a prototype system that has been installed in an automobile that allows 50% added fuel mileage. This is not patented...yet, but the welder is as is the technology.

...what company is that ?

[Fireman-Hott]

I've heard of the h20 making a gas thing. Actually I do believe there is a new fangled fireplace on the market using this exact technology.
I'm tired and heading off to bed but I'll try and look it up tomorrow.

[G Mann]

for making me spit Dr. Pepper all over my screen!!! That's good stuff right there!

IMHO and background in Physics (my Prof. was talking about this 10 years ago) Deuterium - Helium 3 fusion is the answer, we don't need to go to Jupiter for anything, there's plenty of He3 on the moon......Bush has been talking about going back to the moon, right?
Deuterium we can get from seawater, got plenty of that!
Kind of a funny way too put it, but they say that 1 out of every 6000 drops of water is actually deuterium - oxide.

Scientists estimate there are about1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the world for thousandsof years. The equivalent of a single space shuttle load or roughly 25 tonscould supply the entire United States' energy needs for a year, accordingto Apollo17 astronaut and FTI researcher Harrison Schmitt.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

To assign an economic value, suppose we assume He3 would replace the fuels the United States currently buys to generate electricity. We still have all those power generating plants and distribution network, so we can't use how much we pay for electricity. As a replacement for that fuel, that 25-tonne load of He3 would worth on the order of $75 billion today, or $3 billion per tonne.

The Payoff
A guess is the best we can do. Let's suppose that by the time we're slinging tanks of He3 off the moon, the world-wide demand is 100 tonnes of the stuff a year, and people are happy to pay $3 billion per tonne. That gives us gross revenues of $300 billion a year.

To put that number in perspective: Ignoring the cost of money and taxes and whatnot, that rate of income would launch a moon shot like our reference mission every day for the next 10,000 years. (At which point, we will have used up all the helium-3 on the moon and had better start thinking about something else.)

http://www.asi.org/adb/02/09/he3-intro.html

$300 billion a year?!?!?!?!?!

Do I hear the Deuterium - Helium 3 Investors forum????
(Better than the Investors Iran Forum)

Or as Jerry posted we can just continue to rely on the "power of the *****!"
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Hue Mi]

CATS

Inventor turns dead cats into diesel
Well, I'll be darned, I thought the only thing cats were good for was...target practice.

[red42]

USA is the Saudi Arabia of nuclear power, but everyone is afraid of radiation
or a meltdown or something.

Instead we use hydrocarbons so we can melt the ice caps.

here are some quotes form our fearless leader...

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/quotes/georgewbush.html


Here is a sampling of George W Bush quotes spoken by the president.
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
-George W. Bush

"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures."
-George W. Bush

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''
-George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001

"If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything!"
-George W. Bush, Bellevue Community College, Nov. 2, 2000

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas." -George W. Bush, Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
-George W. Bush

"There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll never see it."
-George W. Bush, speaking to Catholic leaders at the White House, Jan. 31, 2001

"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."
-George W. Bush, Jan. 2001

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."
-George W. Bush, Dec. 20, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."
-George W. Bush

"We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.''
-George W. Bush

"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
-George W. Bush

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
-George W. Bush

"I was raised in the West. The West of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."
-George W. Bush

"If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow."
-George W. Bush, Jan. 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
-George W. Bush

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were. It was us versus them, and it was clear who them was. Today we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."
-George W. Bush, Jan. 2000

"One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above that which is expected."
-George W. Bush

"The great thing about America is everybody should vote."
-George W. Bush

"There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead."
-George W. Bush, May 11, 2001

"I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute them."
-George W. Bush, Dec. 20, 2000

"First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that I thought made sense for the country."
-George W. Bush, on the Kyoto accord, April 24, 2001

"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."
-George W. Bush, Jan. 2001

"I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure."
-George W. Bush, Jan. 2001

"This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end."
-George W. Bush, April 10, 2001

"If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all."
-George W. Bush, May 22, 2001

http://gpsinformation.net/main/gore.htm


"Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."
-George W. Bush, declining to take reporters' questions during a photo op with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, April 21, 2001

"But I also made it clear to (Vladimir Putin) that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe."
-George W. Bush, May 1, 2001

Just to be fair..Al Gore[B]

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."
"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." 5/22/98
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, & that one word is 'to be prepared"."12/6/93
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." 11/30/96
"I have made good judgments in the past, I have made good judgments in the future."
"The future will be better tomorrow."
"I stand by all the misstatements that I have made." 8/17/93
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are *part* of Europe."
"I am not part of the problem. I'm a democrat."
"A poor voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
"When I have been asked who caused the riots & killings in L.A., my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame."
"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." 5/20/96
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
"As many of you know, I was instrumental in the founding of the Internet." 3/99

[Hue Mi]

I do like cats...at, oh say, 50 yards.

[mike sl600 canada]

People seem to forget about Solar power cars, I think that in a few years we will see a car that is what ever color you order it and the whole body will be solar power cells made right into the whole body and with very very good batteries and electric motors.
Also some people don't remember it but old airplanes had wind generators on them at one time, why cant a car have a wind generator power in front in the grill that also charges battery's as the car moves or even sitting still facing into the wind.

A lot of things to consider!
your right, i just read of a new solar panel that is 3 millimeters thick and can literally be painted on any surface and produce electricity more efficiently and produce more power than current solar panels, this is currently being researched at wake forest university i think, and this was their initial findings lets hope it works, your paint job on your car can literally produce electricity, awesome, paint your house, cottage,whatever goodbye energy companies.

[Jerry]

Hmmmmm.....if one can use cats, why not mean humans? After all, the kitties did nothing to deserve such a fate.

Why not use those humans who purposely harm these innocent creatures? We are all made up of the same organic matter, no? I would say using human cadavers would be more efficient as you get more bang for your buck for each life. No?


:D

No it would not. Why you ask? Because eventually it would evolve into something like having a Mr. Fission food processor on the back of your car similar to Back To The Future.

Next thing you know people (as opposed to merely stopping by a bad accident on the highway to take a glance) would turn out to be chaotic mess on the highway. People fighting over body parts just to cram them into their Mr. Fissions and floor it...

Besides… this would put an unprecedented demand on the already overextended Organ Donor market.

Along those same lines I would expect a serious drop in demonic mother in-laws, annoying neighbors, and crooked lawyers, making this world a little better place to be. So I suppose it WOULD have an upside.

Innocent creatures or degradation of humanity... it's your choice. (BTW I think this decision was already reached with the inception of Lab Animals)

I myself like cats, but when the line has to be drawn between "Us & Them" it's defiantly going to be them. After all... it's a "dog-eat-dog" world out there ya know...

Jerry

[Jerry]

That's the strangest thing, I've ever heard of. Cadavers fuel, now that could be the future. Dead bodies for cash, we are headed for a scary future!
Really? It shouldn't be. We've known since 1973.:drunk:

Soylent Green

Tagline: It's the year 2022...(16 years away) People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.

Plot Outline: In an overpopulated futuristic Earth, a New York police detective finds himself marked for murder by government agents when he gets too close to a bizarre state secret involving the origins of a revolutionary and needed new foodstuff.... or people.:eek:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/

Charlton Heston knows the deal... do you? :D

http://http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif

[CHAZOWEN]

Bio-diesel is the future. Its easy to produce in the United States, and it helps the farmers and local restaurants recylce their waste products.
The diesel engine can practically run on anything combustible...It loves vegetable oil.So does the enviroment.
A clean,eco friendly,self sustainable energy source(non hydro-carbon).
As you can imagine the oil companies hate it.They have the power and money to suppress its further development,and do,which I suppose for us Iraqi dinar gamblers is a good thing.

[Adster]

Really? It shouldn't be. We've known since 1973.:drunk:

Soylent Green

Tagline: It's the year 2022...(16 years away) People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.

Plot Outline: In an overpopulated futuristic Earth, a New York police detective finds himself marked for murder by government agents when he gets too close to a bizarre state secret involving the origins of a revolutionary and needed new foodstuff.... or people.:eek:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/

Charlton Heston knows the deal... do you? :D

http://http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif



Jerry, was a classic, on the other day again!! Chuck was great in it!

[Hopeful]

that's a good one!!!

H




CATS

Inventor turns dead cats into diesel

A German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel out of dead cats.

Dr Christian Koch, 55, from Kleinhartmannsdorf, said his method uses old tyres, weeds and animal cadavers.

They are heated up to 300 Celsius to filter out hydrocarbon which is then turned into diesel by a CATalytic converter.

He said the resulting "high quality bio-diesel" costs just 15 pence per litre.

Koch said the cadaver of a fully grown cat can produce 2.5 litres of fuel - meaning around 20 cats are needed for a full tank.

He said: "I tank my car with my own diesel mixture and have driven it for 105,000 miles without any problems."

Annelise Krauss of the Dresden Animal Protection Association blasted Koch's new diesel though, saying: "This is as bad as experimenting on animals."

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu=

Heeeeere Kitty-Kitty...:D

[stephen]

No, No: If you closely read that report. You will or should know that all of that ethanol like stuff. Is made from, some form or another from oil. If you read that report, you will soon see. That the world is headed for the end of days! Without natural gas and oil we are a very cold slow WAR torn planet. Hydrogen sounds like the best bet. I also heard that Finland or one of those countries were using Hydrogen. For the buses and some others. It seems to be nonexistant or notdoable in the USA. According to that report, to date. Their is no invention that will get us out of this. If you think about it. EVERY thing material wise man made and natural/made usage known to man. Has had some type of oil usage involved. To produce, ship, manufacture all products, produce, energy. Everything relies on oil and gas and in 30 to 40 years. IT will be unattainable. Welcome to the BIG picture!

there is probably more oil and gas in the ground now then has been taken out. Oil is headed back to 35$ a barrell. Every hundred years people talk about the end of days. I feel sorry for you.

[Screaming Eagle]

When the oil is gone all the middle east countries will see there exchange rates drop tramendously. And we in the us will start putting ethanol in our cars instead of gas. Ethanol is made from corn which is a renewable resource. Thus prices would go up if we had a bad drought, and the farmers would be the rich ones not the oil companies.

Present use would require ~120,000,000 acres of corn.

[Garym]

I guess we had better stop expanding our developments then and start to conserve are farm land. The main growable farm land in the united states is pretty much everything between the rockies in the west and the aplacha mountains in the east. and from texas and lousiana to north dakota. It might be close but we can probaply cover the million acres needed. It is worth noting in the 60's and 70's drag racers ran cars off of pure grain alchohol, white lighting it's been around for hundreds of years.

[AZDinar]

No, No: If you closely read that report. You will or should know that all of that ethanol like stuff. Is made from, some form or another from oil. If you read that report, you will soon see. That the world is headed for the end of days! Without natural gas and oil we are a very cold slow WAR torn planet. Hydrogen sounds like the best bet. I also heard that Finland or one of those countries were using Hydrogen. For the buses and some others. It seems to be nonexistant or notdoable in the USA. According to that report, to date. Their is no invention that will get us out of this. If you think about it. EVERY thing material wise man made and natural/made usage known to man. Has had some type of oil usage involved. To produce, ship, manufacture all products, produce, energy. Everything relies on oil and gas and in 30 to 40 years. IT will be unattainable. Welcome to the BIG picture!

Sorry, but I believe that report is bunk. Read all about ethanol here: http://www.ethanol.org/whatisethanol.html. That's just for starters. Another reason that report is way off mark - There is more coal energy under West Virginia than all the oil under Iraq. Technology for burning coal cleanly and extracting all the energy contained in it has grown exponetially in the last 10 years. Also, the former Soviet Union hasn't even touched their Natural Gas supplies which are the largest in the world. Natural gas is the number 1 preferred 'donor' for extraction of hydrogen for clean emmission motors. And let's not forget about bio-diesel, which is made completely, 100%, from renewable organic matter, and relies on zero - that's right - ZERO amount of petroleum. Right now there is a few commercial blends available that utilize a petroleum base (B5, B20, etc) but that is only to maintain the manufacturers vehicle warranty. There will come a day when blending will no longer be necessary. Also, many diesel motors are being converted to running on pure vegetable oil. The old addage "Necessity is the mother of invention" applies here. This planet and the humans living on it will survive, and continue to thrive, inventing better and better ways to advance civilization. THAT'S the BIG picture.

[G Mann]

Ethanol is bunk and uses to much energy to produce, making it cost ineffective. Just what we need, more subsidies for farmers to produce something we don't need.

Another problem with Nuclear Energy, besides what to do with all the waste......the process they use to enrich Uranium a gas process to get enough fissionable material. For instance, let's say you enrich 25,000 pounds of material to obtain maybe 227 grams of Uranium. That other 24999.5 pounds of material is "slightly" radioactive due to the gas processes, which then gets dumped into HUGE "tailing" piles that are usually uncovered and exposed to the blowing winds and the rains that carry it farther into our Earth and even into our drinking water systems. They have talked about putting concrete caps on these tailing piles, but it is rather cost prohibitive due to the size of these piles. Nice, heh? Our local Nuc. plant, Palo Verde...which is supposed to be the newest, safest type of power plant had something like 12 or 13 shutdowns in the last year?

Did you know that off the coast of S. Carolina, on the edge of the continental shelf where the ocean starts to slope down sharply to the bottom of the Atlantic, there is enough methane both in solid, "ice" form sitting right on the seafloor and contained in gas pockets below the seafloor (there are oil rigs that have been nearly knocked over by breaching these gas pockets) to power the United States for the next 70 years?

Supposedly there is enough coal in West Virginia and Pennsylvania
to power the entire United States for many years. Not a big fan of that stuff though.....

Or, how about this one.......once we establish a base on the moon (and have exhausted the supply of Helium 3,) take the Solar radiation that is abundant in space (cosmic background microwave radiation, the "perfect" blackbody radiation) and convert it to microwave energy, shoot that microwave energy at the Earth, where we then convert that microwave energy into electricity by using a rectifying antenna? Pretty cool, huh? Totally free power!

No body parts or dead cats needed!

Any comments about Helium 3 or anything else I've mentioned? Gmann out!

[Jerry]

Looking for the next energy source look no further…

I have been looking at this for a long time now, and these were the results of my findings.


Hydrogen Means Business in California

SB 76 provides the Air Resources Board with funding to implement the Hydrogen Highway Network. Specifically the funds may be used for co-funding the establishment of up to three hydrogen fueling station demonstration projects and the State lease and purchase of a variety of hydrogen fueled vehicles.

"The goal of the California Hydrogen Highway Network initiative is to support and catalyze a rapid transition to a clean, hydrogen transportation economy in California, thereby reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and protecting our citizens from health harms related to vehicle emissions.

We have an opportunity to deal with these problems by investing in California's ability to innovate our way to a clean hydrogen future, thus bringing jobs, investment, and continued economic prosperity to California. We have an opportunity to prove to the world that a thriving environment and economy can co-exist."

This web site provides information and resources about hydrogen fueling stations planned for the State's twenty-one interstate freeways. Governor Schwarzenegger's Hydrogen Highway vision sets forth a blueprint for government and private agencies to work together in planning and building a hydrogen infrastructure. This web site will be updated often as progress is made.
http://hydrogenhighway.ca.gov/

Seeing as how this is a .GOV website with tons of info I believe our Government is pretty serious about this.

From the lowest politician…

http://www.hydrogenhighway.ca.gov/vision/vision.pdf

To the highest…

http://www.electricauto.com/images/VPDickCheney_RRA_small.jpg

Robert R. Aronsson, CEO of AES,
, with Vice President Dick Cheney, [Right], & Congressman E. Clay Shaw, Jr. [Left]


APOLLO ENERGY SYSTEMS

The new world will operate on a new kind of energy -- energy from Apollo Alkaline Fuel Cells and Lead Cobalt Batteries. When combined, these energy sources give us an Apollo Power Plant System which can supply power for:


Residential, commercial and industrial establishments



Computer installations, elevator systems, cable TV networks



Land vehicles -- cars, trucks, buses, motor homes, fork lift trucks, golf carts, etc.



Water vehicles - ships, submarines, boats



Aircraft of all types that operate in the earth's atmosphere

Space vehicles - Commuter Spaceships for the Space Station

Manned Rovers for Mars and the Moon.


THE APOLLO MOON MISSION OF THE 1960s WAS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THE ALKALINE FUEL CELL WHICH PROVIDED ALL THE POWER FOR THE SPACE SHIP. APOLLO ENERGY SYSTEMS, INC. HAS IMPROVED THAT FUEL CELL, PROTECTED IT WITH PENDING PATENTS, AND NAMED IT THE APOLLO ALKALINE FUEL CELL. BY COUPLING THIS FUEL CELL WITH AN ADVANCED, LIGHTWEIGHT, LEAD COBALT BATTERY, ALSO PROTECTED BY PENDING PATENTS, NEW ENERGY SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WHICH ARE CALLED APOLLO POWER PLANT SYSTEMS AND APOLLO ELECTRIC PROPULSION SYSTEMS. THESE NEW ENERGY SYSTEMS ARE BEING DESIGNED TO OPERATE NOT ONLY ON THE EARTH, BUT ALSO ON THE MOON AND THE PLANET MARS.

http://www.electricauto.com/

Please take the time to read these documents:

http://www.electricauto.com/presentation/doe_Phila_052604.pdf


Ammonia as Hydrogen Source
http://www.electricauto.com/_pdfs/Ammonia_HydrogenSource.pdf


Ammonia Cracker
http://www.electricauto.com/_pdfs/newpapers/302011_o.pdf

[CENTER]Automotive Development
http://www.electricauto.com/_pdfs/newpapers/311102_o.pdf

Or any others that may intrest you here:
http://www.electricauto.com/paps_spchs.html


New clean, quiet cars guzzle hydrogen

October 14, 2002

(CNN) -- They don't use gasoline or electricity, but these new Honda and Mercedes-Benz cars can whiz by at speeds up to 93 mph.
The new fuel cell cars are powered by hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe, and they are pollution and noise free.

Pressure mounts

While the auto industry has tested hydrogen-powered cars for years, this is the first time that automakers are letting average drivers have the keys, a crucial step before the cars can be introduced to the general market.
That's not likely to happen for a decade or longer while more testing is done, Gates said.
Hydrogen is the latest in a long line of alternative fuels considered by automakers: electricity, methanol and natural gas among them.
With pressure to introduce more zero-emission vehicles -- including a California law requiring a percentage of new cars sold in that state to produce no smog -- the car industry is in a race to find a new fuel that will click with consumers.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/10/09/fuelcell/

For all the gear heads like myself…
Article in Popular Mechanics on the Honda's FCX V3 hydrogen fuel-cell car

Refinery On Board

Power for nothing - that's what fuel-cell engineers are after. Well, they're not quite there yet, but Honda continues to push the envelope on the proposed automotive powerplant of the future with the company's FCX V3 concept car. The V3 stands for the third version of Honda's fuel-cell-powered research vehicle.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_10627_lead.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1266676.html

Mercedes:


Details Emerge On Mercedes-Benz F600 Hygenius

If you've read about other Mercedes' fuel cell vehicles, such as the F-Cell, you already know their range is somewhat limited. Mercedes has addressed the issue, at least partly, with the F600. The concept features re-designed fuel cells, which Mercedes claim will produce 30% more power while being 16% more efficient. To futher benefit the F600's range, Mercedes added a high torque electric motor, which, like current hybrids, powers the vehicle in city driving and stop and go traffic. The result is a range of approximately 250 miles, a noticeable improvement over the current F-Cell's 100 mile mark.

Before you get too excited, there is one last thing we have to mention. Mercedes doesn't expect the F600's technology to be available until the year 2012, or 2,272 days if you want to start counting.

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Oct05/10DetailsEmergeOnMercedesBenzF600Hygenius3.jpg

Mercedes-Benz F400 Carving Concept Vehicle

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Oct05/10DetailsEmergeOnMercedesBenzF600Hygenius4.jpg

Mercedes-Benz F500 Mind Concept Vehicle

http://emercedesbenz.com/Oct05/10DetailsEmegeOnMercedesBenzF600Hygenius.html

Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology is what we’re headed for. An energy investment for the future? You bet!!!

Jerry

[mscollectors]

Really? It shouldn't be. We've known since 1973.:drunk:

Soylent Green

Tagline: It's the year 2022...(16 years away) People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.

Plot Outline: In an overpopulated futuristic Earth, a New York police detective finds himself marked for murder by government agents when he gets too close to a bizarre state secret involving the origins of a revolutionary and needed new foodstuff.... or people.:eek:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/

Charlton Heston knows the deal... do you? :D

http://http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif
Soylent Green was exactly what I was thinking when I read this. I went to that movie alone at the age of about 7-8 years old. Came out scared to death and crying. My father told me never again would I go to a moovie alone.
As far as using cats for fuel .....They had better stay away from my cats!

[red42]

this has become extremely popular with military people and engineers I know

[B][Geothermal Energy/B]

I think it makes alot of sense...

http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html

WHAT DOES THE WORD "GEOTHERMAL" MEAN?
"Geothermal" comes from the Greek words geo (earth) and therme (heat). So, geothermal means earth heat.

WHAT IS GEOTHERMAL ENERGY?

Our earth's interior - like the sun - provides heat energy from nature. This heat - geothermal energy - yields warmth and power that we can use without polluting the environment.

Geothermal heat originates from Earth's fiery consolidation of dust and gas over 4 billion years ago. At earth's core - 4,000 miles deep - temperatures may reach over 9,000 degrees F.

HOW DOES GEOTHERMAL HEAT GET UP TO EARTH'S SURFACE?

The heat from the earth's core continuously flows outward. It transfers (conducts) to the surrounding layer of rock, the mantle. When temperatures and pressures become high enough, some mantle rock melts, becoming magma. Then, because it is lighter (less dense) than the surrounding rock, the magma rises (convects), moving slowly up toward the earth's crust, carrying the heat from below.

Sometimes the hot magma reaches all the way to the surface, where we know it as lava. But most often the magma remains below earth's crust, heating nearby rock and water (rainwater that has seeped deep into the earth) - sometimes as hot as 700 degrees F. Some of this hot geothermal water travels back up through faults and cracks and reaches the earth's surface as hot springs or geysers, but most of it stays deep underground, trapped in cracks and porous rock. This natural collection of hot water is called a geothermal reservoir.

HOW HAVE PEOPLE USED GEOTHERMAL ENERGY IN THE PAST?

From earliest times, people have used geothermal water that flowed freely from the earth's surface as hot springs. The oldest and most common use was, of course, just relaxing in the comforting warm waters. But eventually, this "magic water" was used (and still is) in other creative ways. The Romans, for example, used geothermal water to treat eye and skin disease and, at Pompeii, to heat buildings. As early as 10,000 years ago, Native Americans used hot springs water for cooking and medicine. For centuries the Maoris of New Zealand have cooked "geothermally," and, since the 1960s, France has been heating up to 200,000 homes using geothermal water.

HOW DO WE USE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY TODAY?

Today we drill wells into the geothermal reservoirs to bring the hot water to the surface. Geologists, geochemists, drillers and engineers do a lot of exploring and testing to locate underground areas that contain this geothermal water, so we'll know where to drill geothermal production wells. Then, once the hot water and/or steam travels up the wells to the surface, they can be used to generate electricity in geothermal power plants or for energy saving non-electrical purposes.

HOW IS ELECTRICITY GENERATED USING GEOTHERMAL ENERGY?

In geothermal power plants steam, heat or hot water from geothermal reservoirs provides the force that spins the turbine generators and produces electricity. The used geothermal water is then returned down an injection well into the reservoir to be reheated, to maintain pressure, and to sustain the reservoir.

There are three kinds of geothermal power plants. The kind we build depends on the temperatures and pressures of a reservoir.

A "dry'" steam reservoir produces steam but very little water. The steam is piped directly into a "dry" steam power plant to provide the force to spin the turbine generator. The largest dry steam field in the world is The Geysers, about 90 miles north of San Francisco. Production of electricity started at The Geysers in 1960, at what has become the most successful alternative energy project in history.


A geothermal reservoir that produces mostly hot water is called a "hot water reservoir" and is used in a "flash" power plant. Water ranging in temperature from 300 - 700 degrees F is brought up to the surface through the production well where, upon being released from the pressure of the deep reservoir, some of the water flashes into steam in a 'separator.' The steam then powers the turbines.


A reservoir with temperatures between 250 - 360 degrees F is not hot enough to flash enough steam but can still be used to produce electricity in a "binary" power plant. In a binary system the geothermal water is passed through a heat exchanger, where its heat is transferred into a second (binary) liquid, such as isopentane, that boils at a lower temperature than water. When heated, the binary liquid flashes to vapor, which, like steam, expands across and spins the turbine blades. The vapor is then recondensed to a liquid and is reused repeatedly. In this closed loop cycle, there are no emissions to the air.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF USING GEOTHERMAL ENERGY TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY?

Clean. Geothermal power plants, like wind and solar power plants, do not have to burn fuels to manufacture steam to turn the turbines. Generating electricity with geothermal energy helps to conserve nonrenewable fossil fuels, and by decreasing the use of these fuels, we reduce emissions that harm our atmosphere. There is no smoky air around geothermal power plants -- in fact some are built in the middle of farm crops and forests, and share land with cattle and local wildlife.

For ten years, Lake County California, home to five geothermal electric power plants, has been the first and only county to meet the most stringent governmental air quality standards in the U.S.


Easy on the land. The land area required for geothermal power plants is smaller per megawatt than for almost every other type of power plant. Geothermal installations don't require damming of rivers or harvesting of forests -- and there are no mine shafts, tunnels, open pits, waste heaps or oil spills.


Reliable. Geothermal power plants are designed to run 24 hours a day, all year. A geothermal power plant sits right on top of its fuel source. It is resistant to interruptions of power generation due to weather, natural disasters or political rifts that can interrupt transportation of fuels.


Flexible. Geothermal power plants can have modular designs, with additional units installed in increments when needed to fit growing demand for electricity.


Keeps Dollars at Home. Money does not have to be exported to import fuel for geothermal power plants. Geothermal "fuel'" - like the sun and the wind - is always where the power plant is; economic benefits remain in the region and there are no fuel price shocks.


Helps Developing Countries Grow. Geothermal projects can offer all of the above benefits to help developing countries grow without pollution. And installations in remote locations can raise the standard of living and quality of life by bringing electricity to people far from "electrified" population centers.

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HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY IS FROM GEOTHERMAL ENERGY?

Since the first geothermally-generated electricity in the world was produced at Larderello, Italy, in 1904 the use of geothermal energy for electricity has grown worldwide to about 7,000 megawatts in twenty-one countries around the world. The United States alone produces 2700 megawatts of electricity from geothermal energy, electricity comparable to burning sixty million barrels of oil each year.

WHAT ARE SOME NON-ELECTRIC WAYS WE CAN USE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY?

Geothermal water is used around the world, even when it is not hot enough to generate electricity. Anytime geothermal water or heat are used directly, less electricity is used. Using geothermal water 'directly' conserves energy and replaces the use of polluting energy resources with clean ones. The main non-electric ways we use geothermal energy are DIRECT USES and GEOTHERMAL HEAT PUMPS.

DIRECT USES Geothermal waters ranging from 50 degrees F to over 300 degrees F, are used directly from the earth:

'to soothe aching muscles in hot springs, and health spas (balneology);


to help grow flowers, vegetables, and other crops in greenhouses while snow-drifts pile up outside (agriculture);


to shorten the time needed for growing fish, shrimp, abalone and alligators to maturity (aquaculture);


to pasteurize milk, to dry onions and lumber and to wash wool (industrial uses);


Space heating of individual buildings and of entire districts, is - besides hot spring bathing - the most common and the oldest direct use of nature's hot water. Geothermal district heating systems pump geothermal water through a heat exchanger, where it transfers its heat to clean city water that is piped to buildings in the district. There, a second heat exchanger transfers the heat to the building's heating system. The geothermal water is injected down a well back into the reservoir to be heated and used again. The first modern district heating system was developed in Boise, Idaho. (In the western U.S. there are 271 communities with geothermal resources available for this use.) Modern district heating systems also serve homes in Russia, China, France, Sweden, Hungary, Romania, and Japan. The world's largest district heating system is in Reykjavik, Iceland. Since it started using geothermal energy as its main source of heat Reykjavik, once very polluted, has become one of the cleanest cities in the world.

Geothermal heat is being used in some creative ways; its use is limited only by our ingenuity. For example, in Klamath Falls, Oregon, which has one of the largest district heating systems in the U.S., geothermal water is also piped under roads and sidewalks to keep them from icing over in freezing weather. The cost of using any other method to keep hot water running continuously through cold pipes would be prohibitive. And in New Mexico and other places rows of pipes carrying geothermal water have been installed under soil, where flowers or vegetables are growing. This ensures that the ground does not freeze, providing a longer growing season and overall faster growth of agricultural products that are not protected by the shelter and warmth of a greenhouse.
GEOTHERMAL HEAT PUMPS Animals have always known to burrow into the earth, where the temperature is relatively stable compared to the air temperature, to get shelter from winter's cold and summer's heat. People, too, have sought relief from bad weather in earth's caves. Today, with geothermal heat pumps (GHP's), we take advantage of this stable earth temperature - about 45 - 58 degrees F just a few feet below the surface - to help keep our indoor temperatures comfortable. GHP's circulate water or other liquids through pipes buried in a continuous loop (either horizontally or vertically) next to a building. Depending on the weather, the system is used for heating or cooling.

Heating: Earth's heat (the difference between the earth's temperature and the colder temperature of the air) is transferred through the buried pipes into the circulating liquid and then transferred again into the building.

Cooling: During hot weather, the continually circulating fluid in the pipes 'picks up' heat from the building - thus helping to cool it - and transfers it into the earth.

GHP's use very little electricity and are very easy on the environment.

In the U.S., the temperature inside over 300,000 homes, schools and offices is kept comfortable by these energy saving systems, and hundreds of thousands more are used worldwide. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has rated GHP's as among the most efficient of heating and cooling technologies.

WHAT PARTS OF THE WORLD HAVE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY?

(Geothermal Worldwide)

For electricity and direct use: Geothermal reservoirs that are close enough to the surface to be reached by drilling can occur in places where geologic processes have allowed magma to rise up through the crust, near to the surface, or where it flows out as lava. The crust of the Earth is made up of huge plates, which are in constant but very slow motion relative to one another. Magma can reach near the surface in three main geologic areas:


where Earth's large oceanic and crustal plates collide and one slides beneath another, called a subduction zone The best example of these hot regions around plate margins is the Ring of Fire -- the areas bordering the Pacific Ocean: the South American Andes, Central America, Mexico, the Cascade Range of the U.S. and Canada, the Aleutian Range of Alaska, the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia and New Zealand.


spreading centers, where these plates are sliding apart, (such as Iceland, the rift valleys of Africa, the mid-Atlantic Ridge and the Basin and Range Province in the U.S.); and


places called hot spots-- fixed points in the mantle that continually produce magma to the surface. Because the plate is continually moving across the hot spot, strings of volcanoes are formed, such as the chain of Hawaiian Islands.

The countries currently producing the most electricity from geothermal reservoirs are the United States, New Zealand, Italy, Iceland, Mexico, the Philippines, Indonesia and Japan, but geothermal energy is also being used in many other countries.


For geothermal heat pumps, use can be almost world-wide. The earth's temperature a few feet below the ground surface is relatively constant everywhere in the world (about 45 - 58 degrees F), while the air temperature can change from summer to winter extremes. Unlike other kinds of geothermal heat, shallow ground temperatures are not dependent upon tectonic plate activity or other unique geologic processes. Thus geothermal heat pumps can be used to help heat and cool homes anywhere.
HOW MUCH GEOTHERMAL ENERGY IS THERE?

Thousands more megawatts of power than are currently being produced could be developed from already-identified hydrothermal resources. With improvements in technology, much more power will become available. Usable geothermal resources will not be limited to the "shallow" hydrothermal reservoirs at the crustal plate boundaries. Much of the world is underlain (3-6 miles down), by hot dry rock - no water, but lots of heat. Scientists in the U.S.A., Japan, England, France, Germany and Belgium have experimented with piping water into this deep hot rock to create more hydrothermal resources for use in geothermal power plants. As drilling technology improves, allowing us to drill much deeper, geothermal energy from hot dry rock could be available anywhere. At such time, we will be able to tap the true potential of the enormous heat resources of the earth's crust.

[goldraker]

Very nice finds!

[BRYAN]

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html


Thanks BB for the link ...

[BRYAN]

bump the article above....

We don't need to use our pets or people to produce Biomass based fuels:no:

[cloaked]

CATS


Inventor turns dead cats into diesel

A German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel out of dead cats.

Dr Christian Koch, 55, from Kleinhartmannsdorf, said his method uses old tyres, weeds and animal cadavers.

They are heated up to 300 Celsius to filter out hydrocarbon which is then turned into diesel by a catalytic converter.

He said the resulting "high quality bio-diesel" costs just 15 pence per litre.

Koch said the cadaver of a fully grown cat can produce 2.5 litres of fuel - meaning around 20 cats are needed for a full tank.

He said: "I tank my car with my own diesel mixture and have driven it for 105,000 miles without any problems."

Annelise Krauss of the Dresden Animal Protection Association blasted Koch's new diesel though, saying: "This is as bad as experimenting on animals."

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1534821.html?menu=

Heeeeere Kitty-Kitty...:D

ewwww and that's evil! and i don't even like cats! they come near my dog, i'm goona start shooting! :mad:

[REITman]

there is probably more oil and gas in the ground now then has been taken out. Oil is headed back to 35$ a barrell. Every hundred years people talk about the end of days. I feel sorry for you.

I feek sorry for him too. But he annoys me so I put him on my ignore list.