Tehran's New Cocky Attitude

[MonteandMe]

Moderator Note - This thread was split off from:
Iranian's dumping Rial for NID (http://www.investorsiraq.com/iraqi-dinar/11235-iranians-dumping-rial-new-iraqi-dinar.html?highlight=dumping+rials)



Tehran’s new cocky attitude is seen by many as a sign that the Islamic Republic leadership is seeking a limited military confrontation with the United States and is confident that it can win it.

Ibrahim Asgharzadeh, a leader of the “students” who seized the US embassy in Tehran in 1979, and a reserve officer of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRCG), claims that the new administration under Ahamdinejad is “actively seeking war”. Similar warnings came from Rafsanjani and former President Muhammad Khatami in separate private meetings with foreign dignitaries in the region earlier this month.

The dramatic militarization of the administration, partly by appointing IRCG officers to civilian posts throughout the country, adds weight to those warnings. There is also the fact that what looks like massive preparation for war is taking place in several provinces, especially on the border with Iraq.

Shahroudi is right to draw attention to the economic consequences of a policy that, rather than seeking détente, is designed to heighten tension.

[iamback]

30% would be nice! But I think most of the people are more concerned with possible trade sanctions against Iran. They were very effective in the past and I bet the people selling remember the effects on the economy and investments.

Trade sanctions have limited effects on a cash based economy like Iran's. When you own your house and car outright you just don't sell when prices don't suit you. See what I am getting at? Aero industry does have an affect on Iran Airs aging Boeing fleet, which really only leads to the death of innocent civilians , thanks to the US. But this will lead to an Iranian aero industry in the near future. then you can be sure, sanctions will have no effect on Iran, it seems like the US is sanctioning itself out of phase. All major economies trade heavily with Iran...namely: India, China, Brazil, Russia, EU, South Africa, etc....

peace out from Tehran

[BIG WAVE]

DISCLAIMER:
This article appears to be biased, so draw your own conclusions.

Petro-Euro? The question now is what will the Bush administration do?

What does pose as a threat is Iran's attempt to re-shape the global economical system by converting it from a petro-dollar to a petro-euro system.
Such a conversion is looked upon as a flagrant declaration of economical war against the US which would flatten the revenues of the American corporations and could eventually cause an economic collapse.

In June 2004, Iran declared its intention in setting up an international oil exchange (a bourse) denominated in the Euro currency ... many oil-producing as well as oil-consuming countries had expressed their welcome to such petro-euro bourse.

According to Iranian reports this bourse is due to start trading in early 2006.

Naturally such an oil exchange would compete against London's International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), as well as against the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), both owned by American corporations.

These numbers worried international banks, who'd warned the Bush administration of something like this would happen.

Iran is treading the same economical war path Saddam Hussein started when in 2000 he converted all of the Iraq's reserve from the US$ to the Euro, and demanded payments in Euro for Iraqi oil.
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=47792

[Vanquish]

So you are saying that the real reason for the US invasion of Iraq was to stop Iraq coverting to the Euro for oil payments? Why don't I appear shocked?

True, the US "Money Tree" will have its roots salted by Iran, yes it will.

The US Dollar is no longer backed by GOLD, so is technically worthless. A myth kept alive by US Military might. The US Military might is paid for by Petro-Dollars, if they dry up, what is going to keep the US Armed Forces at the size it is?

This is a "Catch 22" situation.

Problem is, will the international community buy the next reason invented by the WhiteHouse to invade another country?

The next 5 years are going to be VERY interesting indeed.:lmao:

[millionairetobe71]

Trade sanctions have limited effects on a cash based economy like Iran's. When you own your house and car outright you just don't sell when prices don't suit you. See what I am getting at? Aero industry does have an affect on Iran Airs aging Boeing fleet, which really only leads to the death of innocent civilians , thanks to the US. But this will lead to an Iranian aero industry in the near future. then you can be sure, sanctions will have no effect on Iran, it seems like the US is sanctioning itself out of phase. All major economies trade heavily with Iran...namely: India, China, Brazil, Russia, EU, South Africa, etc....

peace out from Tehran


Let me tell you something (I wish I could call you by your real name in US language)....

You and only you is responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. If you didn't had such a government who only seek the destruction of other innocent civilians, you guys wouldn't be in the position you are now.

You say that sanctions don't have an effect on Iran's economy??

Yeah right, push the button and we will see. You would have to bite your tongue.
Cash based would only be good when products are available to be purchased,
sanctions in effect= no trade=get in a hole....then what...

What you guys need to do is the following,

1- become democratics and renounce nuclear developments.

2- STOP dumping fake dinars in Iraq and weapons and bomb technologies...it doesn't do any good.....and we know is YOUR governement

3- Give more human rights to Men and Women in YOUR country

4- Accept that Israel exist, especially that 6 million Jews died in genocides commited during WWII

5- Dump that President of yours that is seeking confrontations all the time with the US and Europe.

6- Accept that if your country cross over the line, there is going to be consequences..remember, there is a theory called "cause and effect"...

7- DONT blame the US for your country stupidities....


The above is just a guideline called "Improving for Dummies" and if your government follows some of these rules, things may get better....if you want a role model, look at Libya......

Remember..for us,,,it takes just a finger and a red button.....but don't blame the US for your country non-nonsense behaviours.

[dougmyers]

DISCLAIMER:
This article appears to be biased, so draw your own conclusions.

Petro-Euro? The question now is what will the Bush administration do?

What does pose as a threat is Iran's attempt to re-shape the global economical system by converting it from a petro-dollar to a petro-euro system.
Such a conversion is looked upon as a flagrant declaration of economical war against the US which would flatten the revenues of the American corporations and could eventually cause an economic collapse.

In June 2004, Iran declared its intention in setting up an international oil exchange (a bourse) denominated in the Euro currency ... many oil-producing as well as oil-consuming countries had expressed their welcome to such petro-euro bourse.

According to Iranian reports this bourse is due to start trading in early 2006.

Naturally such an oil exchange would compete against London's International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), as well as against the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), both owned by American corporations.

These numbers worried international banks, who'd warned the Bush administration of something like this would happen.

Iran is treading the same economical war path Saddam Hussein started when in 2000 he converted all of the Iraq's reserve from the US$ to the Euro, and demanded payments in Euro for Iraqi oil.
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=47792
============================

I have heard this but I don't remember the USA recovering anything but Dollars, Gold, and Dinar, when the war ended. I don't recall and recovery of EUROs at all?

Can anyone shed any light on this please am I wrong?

[dougmyers]

Good or bad the USA police the world, and if the oil dries up, the world will have no one to stop the bad guys from taking over.
They either let us have oil or the bad guys will take their oil away from them anyway, what is worse give the USA oil and keep peace or let IRAN and Syria gang up and take over?
I think the choice is very simple myself.
======================================

So you are saying that the real reason for the US invasion of Iraq was to stop Iraq coverting to the Euro for oil payments? Why don't I appear shocked?

True, the US "Money Tree" will have its roots salted by Iran, yes it will.

The US Dollar is no longer backed by GOLD, so is technically worthless. A myth kept alive by US Military might. The US Military might is paid for by Petro-Dollars, if they dry up, what is going to keep the US Armed Forces at the size it is?

This is a "Catch 22" situation.

Problem is, will the international community buy the next reason invented by the WhiteHouse to invade another country?

The next 5 years are going to be VERY interesting indeed.:lmao:

[Vanquish]

So you say give the US oil and there will be peace?
The wrong answer.

The secret is the following.....:shhh:

Instead of spending $Billions every year trying to keep peace in the Middle East, spend those $Billions on reseaching an alternative to oil.

If the US did this (they have the capacity to), the world dependence on the Middle East would cease almost overnight. Oil is the only thing THEY have that WE want, simple.

If we did this, all the richest arabs would leave the Middle East and within 20 years the people left behind would go back to fighting on camels with antique weapons.

Would we care?:no:

Let's not kid ourselves that this invasion was for WMDs or Humanitarian reasons. ;)

Imagine all those Billions of Dollars put into Alternative Energy Research and Production.

I am not saying Iraq won't work. I think it will. But for all the wrong reasons.

[iamback]

Let me tell you something (I wish I could call you by your real name in US language)....

You and only you is responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. If you didn't had such a government who only seek the destruction of other innocent civilians, you guys wouldn't be in the position you are now.

You say that sanctions don't have an effect on Iran's economy??

Yeah right, push the button and we will see. You would have to bite your tongue.
Cash based would only be good when products are available to be purchased,
sanctions in effect= no trade=get in a hole....then what...

What you guys need to do is the following,

1- become democratics and renounce nuclear developments.

2- STOP dumping fake dinars in Iraq and weapons and bomb technologies...it doesn't do any good.....and we know is YOUR governement

3- Give more human rights to Men and Women in YOUR country

4- Accept that Israel exist, especially that 6 million Jews died in genocides commited during WWII

5- Dump that President of yours that is seeking confrontations all the time with the US and Europe.

6- Accept that if your country cross over the line, there is going to be consequences..remember, there is a theory called "cause and effect"...

7- DONT blame the US for your country stupidities....


The above is just a guideline called "Improving for Dummies" and if your government follows some of these rules, things may get better....if you want a role model, look at Libya......

Remember..for us,,,it takes just a finger and a red button.....but don't blame the US for your country non-nonsense behaviours.

You see that is the difference between you and me. You like being told what to do in a list format, I don't. I like making my own rules, not just to follow what someone else says is good for me. So, with due respect I do not accept any of the above non-sense :lmao: Sounds like a bunch of war-mongering to me.

Peace out from snow glittered Tehran

[eosirl2]

This is an interesting read. The first half is economical, but it actually ends up more political.

http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=1834

Here is a quiz. You have a country whose foreign exchange reserves are at the highest levels in two decades, with prospects of rising prices for its principal export while over $200 million pours into its coffers each day. Moreover, the nation’s budget deficit, a persistent though occulted feature for the past eight years, has turned into a surplus, freeing the hands of the government to throw money at its more pressing problems. The logical consequence of all this should be a dramatic rise in the value of the nation’s currency.

And yet the opposite seems to be happening in Iran. Why?

The short answer is that more and more people are selling rials, the Iranian currency, and buying whatever foreign currency they can get their hands on, including the new Iraqi dinar. This, in turn, translates into a massive flight of capital from Iran...

What's interesting here is that the article was dated Sep 2003. The currecy the writer was referring would have been the Old Iraqi Dinar. I bet there was a bit rush of Iranians across the border to get rid of their Saddamy dinar for NID, or maybe have learned their lesson of dealing the FX market and went back to Rials.

But with the recent issues going on with Iran, I would be surprised that it Iranians are buying NID to hedge themselves against futher depreciation.

[investindinar]

But with the recent issues going on with Iran, I would be surprised that it Iranians are buying NID to hedge themselves against futher depreciation.

I think the real reasons that Iranians are starting to do some significant buying of the NID/IQD is because of (1) uncertainty about their future, and (2) the NID/IQD is much more likely to appreciate in the near future than their currency. In addition to the issue of risk brought about by the uncertainty of the moment, there is a possibility that this situation could escalate. It that case, the value of the IRR Iranian Rials would depreciate even more so. Especially relative to the NID/IQD.

This problem may escalate thanks to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's politics that have everybody in Washington and our allies in Europe concerned. If they do escalate to include sanctions against Iran, it may also include an embargo, or an even an outright blockade of their ports. In that case, the only outlet to 'friendly countries' would be the Caspian Sea to Russia, or possibly an overland route thru Azerbaijan. The second would depend on the mood of the Azerbaijanis.

That kind of escalation would put a bid dent in the Iranian economy. The Iranians wouldn't be able to ship their oil out through the Persian Gulf, and nothing could be brought in except those items allowed under the sanctions, embargo, or blockade. The USN plus the navies of its allies have adequate capability to block the Strait of Hormuz and the Iranian coastline bordering the Sea of Oman without unduly risking their assets. Allied air and naval activity would reduce the Iranian economic activity dramatically. Ahmadinejad and his friends will not be able to do anything except rant, run to the UN and ask for sanctions, embargo, and blockade to be lifted. The Iranians seem to be thinking ahead. Like real far ahead.

Sincerely,

investindinar

[MunnyBaggs]

You see that is the difference between you and me. You like being told what to do in a list format, I don't. I like making my own rules, not just to follow what someone else says is good for me. So, with due respect I do not accept any of the above non-sense :lmao: Sounds like a bunch of war-mongering to me.

Peace out from snow glittered Tehran

The Iranian Government blows up on purpose women and children. Iran sponsers these murders in both Iraq and Israel and would love to sponser even more murder in other countries across the world if it could. Countries like Iraq and Israel have a right to defend itself against such terrorist tactics. How you can so smuggly and even seemingly "happily" justify that type of tactic is what I don't understand.

[millionairetobe71]

You see that is the difference between you and me. You like being told what to do in a list format, I don't. I like making my own rules, not just to follow what someone else says is good for me. So, with due respect I do not accept any of the above non-sense :lmao: Sounds like a bunch of war-mongering to me.



Peace out from snow glittered Tehran
Hey,
I agree with ou on this one....I am am told what to do because the guidance given is right and goes along with policies supporting human rights and I have the choice to either follow them or not, keep in mind.....democracy.....

In your case, well, you have your rules, the one that they tell you to follow...ja ja...




and AK-47 pointing to your head...AND you don't need to accept my non-sense guidelines,,,,but you MUST follow what your folks tell you to do....or you are history......and niether your hard lined government have to follow my guidelines......that is why you guys are where you are (well, your oppressed people..)


You see, here in America, we enjoy sooooo much freedom, to do what I feel I want to do.....you don't...no one scare me with a rifle on my head...you have.....and we defend democracy and look out for the well being of our neighbors...you only look to install an Islamic state AND get everyone else too in your screw up boat...so you have more problems that solutions....

Matter fact, I hope your folks don't anihilate you for having a nice democratic conversation here online.....but don't blame the USA for that either if it happens...that is your problem..


Shalom

[percee UH]

I am also an investor in Iraq, because I belive in this country!

I am a democratic non afilliated bystander from way up north on this planet and now I feel that I have come to a point where a few things in all fairness have to be mentioned:

As history has unfolded over the past millenium.

Christians as well as muslims came into being. .......and both have a right to exists. The world is today evolving into a better place as a result of something called democracy. It is widespread in the world today and it is gaining momentum for the simple fact that it is by far a much fairer system than the old fundamental ways of times past. It is so popular because it offers the possibility of freedom for anybody alive on the planet. There are still small pockets left in the world which are ruled by opression.

Then we have old, so called fundamental values trying to maintain old unfair values and power for the few priviledged and selected. No wonder such messures are taken today for these followers to try to stay in power.! Messures such as "suicide-bombers". These are the last efforts and cramps of a dying philosophy to remain in power, because once democracy and freedom is given to people and especially have women as equals in these areas, those old values will be nothing but history.

Since USA represents democracy and initiated this process on a large scale in the late 1700 hundreds, they must be the enemy. Fundamentalists (not mainstream Muslims) uses western (US) decadence as a reason for this being a wrongful system which leads to hell. However, one should remember that not even Rome was built in "one" day, it takes time to perfect anything. This is a process and evolution that makind has to endure. This very war in Iraq is a good example of such an endurance. Unfortunately, male chauvinism rules the fundamental world of the muslims but there is a growing light at the other end of the tunnel.

Remember this, that US has (yes) participated in many wars, has occupied many countries BUT once finished returned home. Ask Japan of today if they feel like occupied by US, ask Germany, compare South and North Korea! On the contrary, these countries are today fierce competitors with USA just like any other democratic world economy.

It is true that US fought the cold war against another philosophy called "communism" which -sounds good on the surface- but again is dictatorian and opressive in execution. I will dare to say that US saved the world and also Muslim countires from communistic domination.

End of the second world war: USA put as an ultimatum to Great Britain to give up it's colonies among which were several Arab Nations. This has been forgotten it seems like??

USA was also involved in the creation of the Israeli State. Partuclarly this action has causes many Muslims (fundamentalists) to hate US. I don't remember who started the fight in Gaza -56 and later in -67 but knowing that Israel and the jews are just a tiny fraction of the world in terms of population and area, why do these fundamentalists hold the position that it is all Israels fault and they have no right to exist? Is it because they were actually there before the Muslims? Envy? Again, a majority of people living in the area want nothing but peace, but fundamentalists keep the flame burning. Big questionmark for me why this have to continue, I guess jews have to work on their social skills. ....and both have to learn how to forgive and forget! The world, not just USA can obviously not let the jewish state become annhiliated.

Iraq has become very important to Fundamentalists, because if democracy gets a foothold here, the rest of the Arab World will see what democracy means to the population of iraq, not just favored men in high positions. It means that all the things Arabs who are living in USA and Europe can do, view, speak, have and hold, they can also have in Iraq. The rest of the fundamentalist states will crumble and fall apart as a house of cards once democracy is established in Iraq.

-That is why there are so many attacks in Iraq on democracy and those who represent democracy. I feel sorry for this person in Persia/Iran who obviously has no interest in the wellbeing of his countrymen nor his neighbors in Iraq only focusing his hate on USA. He is obvioulsy suffering from good old fundamental brainwash.

Why is it that USA went to Japan, Korea, Vietnam and Germany and back home when they had NO oil at all in those countries. Is this always just a bad excuse? This is obviously the only thing one can use as a hypotetical reason for US invading Iraq. Imagine if there would not have been any oil in the arab world.........It would have taken democracy a lot longer to arrive, that is for sure!!

Sure US needs oil, unfortunately. It is easy to draw the conclusion that it would be in Mr Busch's personal interest to ensure supply of this commodity. But it is also a matter of keeping all the worlds economies at working, for them to be able to adjust to new challenges without throwing the entire world into depression. Anyways, the President would not have been able to go into Iraq without the support of the people of USA and the rest of the world.

Because of 9-11 the fundamentalists/terrorists did themselves in and hasted the end of these views and values. The american people counting people from exactly every nation now living in this country were in favor of eliminating terrorism. Since Saddam Hussein was one of them(even to his own people) he simply had to go as well. The entire world majority was of this opinion and these were the main reasons for invading Iraq.

Just like earlier in history, Japan and Germany to name a few countries, were also invaded. These 2 countries today (with democracy) are among the leaders of the world in every thinkable aspect, with democratic values built in to their systems.

Now, this may sound like I am very much in favor of USA, but I am really not!
USA has just like any other country good and bad sides, but they defend democracy better than most. These are simple facts and I hope I do not even have to dream about the alternatives if US of A had not intervened in world history!

I thank you for letting me give you my piece of mind and to remember that it
is sure difficult to stop a good thing! World Democracy has obtained a state of sufficient "critical mass" to conquer any extremistic degenerative force!

All my Muslim, Jewish and Christian friends are in a good democratic fashion actually agreeing with me on this!

May Allah, Jahve and God be with you all!

[millionairetobe71]

Thank you Munny and Percee,

You see, iamback, I will not let you come to this forum and treat my country the way you treated. We are not civilians murders and we don't kill your people. And under no circumstances I will allow you to do that. If I get thrown out of the forum, then be it.

I defend my country in word and deed.

[wherbie]

if Iran dosent believe in the existance of Israel...then who was flying them american F-15's in 1984?....casper the ghost?....

If Iran persists in their war mongering retoric....they will see casper again....in
F-18 's

The Muslim extreemist's who kill innocent woman and children in Iraq....will have to attone to Allah..

you are only a flea on the camals back to the USA...

[iamback]

Thank you Munny and Percee,

You see, iamback, I will not let you come to this forum and treat my country the way you treated. We are not civilians murders and we don't kill your people. And under no circumstances I will allow you to do that. If I get thrown out of the forum, then be it.

I defend my country in word and deed.


I see that you are quite angry with Iran. That is fine, it just tells me how effective we have been. As you see the USA hasn't been even able to kiss our hairy butts :lmao: I don't think the US will ever invade Iran, they would have to be suicidal. Yor paid soldiers can't even hold their own in Iraq..even against civilians. Who are you kidding? Tone down on the coffee and Talmud reading late at nights...You are welcome to invade my country anytime you like, but you will leave it when I like....sound like Iraq....think 10 times rougher.

[Vanquish]

Mr "iamback"

I think you are making a grave error of judgement. The USA does have the capacity to fight Iran if they wanted to. They could fight the whole Middle East if the wanted to. They have the technology, hardware, numbers (and now experience) to do it.

BUT !!!!!!!

As Napoleon said
"In war, the most dangerous moment comes with victory"

In other words. Keeping the ground you win is the hardest part of all.

The only way to stop an invasion of the USA into Iran is to play ball with them.

OR !!!!!!!

Get hold of Nuclear weapons and promise they will use them if attacked.

A "conventional" war against the USA would result in defeat for Iran. The don't have the same technologies, hardware or experience as current enlisted US Soldiers. When was the last time Iran flexed its muscles? The 1980s?

But, I seem to believe there is still 2 Superpowers on this earth.

The USA v World Opinion

This also holds true with another quote from Napoleon.


"There are but two powers in the world, the sword and the mind. In the long run the sword is always beaten by the mind."
- Napoleon Bonaparte





As you see the USA hasn't been even able to kiss our hairy butts :lmao: I don't think the US will ever invade Iran, they would have to be suicidal. Yor paid soldiers can't even hold their own in Iraq..even against civilians. Who are you kidding? Tone down on the coffee and Talmud reading late at nights...You are welcome to invade my country anytime you like, but you will leave it when I like....sound like Iraq....think 10 times rougher.

[need$$]

why are you all getting flustered by this guy claiming to be from tehran....i would venture a bet it is some 17 yr old from iowa.......peace out from tehran?? peace out is a "ghetto" term used by inner city youth.....it starts in cities such as nyc, la, etc. and trickles outwards to the suburbs in a span of 4-7 yrs. (for those of you who do not understand this, then please move to either nyc or la and notice fashion trends and public lifestyles......then move to a state about 6 states away and see how long it takes for that trend to become popular with that area's youth)......i highly doubt theres anyone in tehran saying peace out.....i doubt its popular in london yet...........

[Fireman-Hott]

In other words. Keeping the ground you win is the hardest part of all.

Tis why we dont keep land in any country we defeat other than the land our soldiers graves are on.

[BIG WAVE]

With speculation mounting over the possibility of a US- or Israeli-led military attack of Iran sometime later this year, it has been suggested that real motivation for US antipathy towards the Iranian government has little to do with concerns that Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. Some commentators have instead suggested that Iran’s real Iranian threat to the US and its economy is that, in defiance of the US administration, it is attempting to establish an oil ‘bourse’ (exchange) in March of this year which would enable oil to be traded in euros. This would move oil sales away from their usual denomination in dollars and would, it is argued, undermine the American currency with grave consequences for the US economy. (1,2) This internet-based debate is reminiscent of what occurred before the invasion of Iraq when several observers, myself included, hypothesised that Saddam Hussein’s decision to sell Iraqi oil in euros was perhaps one of the reasons the US wanted ‘regime change’. (3,4) The US decision after the invasion to return Iraqi oil sales to dollar denomination and to convert back into dollars all Iraqi foreign currency reserves, which had been in euros prior to the war, was certainly entirely consistent with this theory. (5)
http://www.energybulletin.net/12463.html

[panhead]

I see that you are quite angry with Iran. That is fine, it just tells me how effective we have been. As you see the USA hasn't been even able to kiss our hairy butts :lmao: I don't think the US will ever invade Iran, they would have to be suicidal. Yor paid soldiers can't even hold their own in Iraq..even against civilians. Who are you kidding? Tone down on the coffee and Talmud reading late at nights...You are welcome to invade my country anytime you like, but you will leave it when I like....sound like Iraq....think 10 times rougher.

Does your mommy know your playin with her computer again?

Your talking about a counrty that couldn't even handle Iraq in the 80's against the US....get back on your medication!

[Lux]

why are you all getting flustered by this guy claiming to be from tehran....i would venture a bet it is some 17 yr old from iowa.......peace out from tehran?? peace out is a "ghetto" term used by inner city youth.....it starts in cities such as nyc, la, etc. and trickles outwards to the suburbs in a span of 4-7 yrs. (for those of you who do not understand this, then please move to either nyc or la and notice fashion trends and public lifestyles......then move to a state about 6 states away and see how long it takes for that trend to become popular with that area's youth)......i highly doubt theres anyone in tehran saying peace out.....i doubt its popular in london yet...........

I do agree that anyone can pose to be anyone on a forum, but for the sake of clarity, iamback is posting from an Iranian internet service provider.

Investors Iraq has people posting from all "four corners of the globe".

:wave:

[SteveBrown]

Iran. How did it come to this? A newly-elected radical president, and the UN Security Council convening next month to take up the matter of the nuclear threat posed by Iran. Just a few years ago, President Khatami was the voice of reason and moderation. What happened that caused Iran to lurch back toward the Islamist hard line? I guess our presence in Iraq has something to do with it.

I think all this money fleeing Iran indicates that Iranians are wary. Hopefully, enough of them will become fed up with the hard liners to throw the bums out for good.

[MunnyBaggs]

I see that you are quite angry with Iran. That is fine, it just tells me how effective we have been. As you see the USA hasn't been even able to kiss our hairy butts :lmao: I don't think the US will ever invade Iran, they would have to be suicidal. Yor paid soldiers can't even hold their own in Iraq..even against civilians. Who are you kidding? Tone down on the coffee and Talmud reading late at nights...You are welcome to invade my country anytime you like, but you will leave it when I like....sound like Iraq....think 10 times rougher.

You are absolutely correct in that the USA will not invade Iran. There is no need to do so. Iran has a history of coup d etat and some were spurred on by the good ole' US of A. The youth in Iran is a growing majority and many of them are well aware of the outside World and it's freedoms. A couple years back there were soccer matchs in Iran where large groups of these kids would roam through the streets yelling "U S A!!! U S A!!!" So when and if the time comes all we need do is spur these rambunctious youngins to overthrowing the old guard Mullahs. Bottom line is this. We know the UN will do nothing when it comes to Irans nuke program. But rest assured the US, Britain, and Israel are watching closely. Should you produce a nuke warhead, well then we just might have to personally introduce yah to Mr. Tomahawk....:D

[goldraker]

When we invade Iran, do you think. That we could profit from that! A lot of oil over their. Why is their currency so low, is it because they are out of favor with the USA. Could you imagin if we were to get a fair democratic government in their. What would and could happen. My money is on Iran first Serria second and by that time. Saudi Arabia will see the hand writing on the wall. Then most of the middle east, will democratic little USA police counties. Would'nt that be great!

[millionairetobe71]

I see that you are quite angry with Iran. That is fine, it just tells me how effective we have been. As you see the USA hasn't been even able to kiss our hairy butts :lmao: I don't think the US will ever invade Iran, they would have to be suicidal. Yor paid soldiers can't even hold their own in Iraq..even against civilians. Who are you kidding? Tone down on the coffee and Talmud reading late at nights...You are welcome to invade my country anytime you like, but you will leave it when I like....sound like Iraq....think 10 times rougher.


I am not angry with Iran...why should I?? Iran has done nothing to me, nonetheless your government.....is the innocents one that your government killed that are angry at you guys...hey..."peace out in Theran??" listen "getto boy"....learn what is freedom first..at least you are using USA language..I some members already notice it already.....repeat with me..."That is cool Bro'..."..
At least my soldiers are effectively preventing you guys come and screwing Iraq..jajaja.. Hey don't you be mad at me because I can do what ever freely and you don't..that ain't my fault but your insane government...Don't be mad at me because you guys will be on the Security Council soon...don't be mad at me because we keep you guys at bay....don't be mad at me because we support the Great State of Israel....Don't be md at me because you guys can do NOTHING about it...don't be mad at me because You guys have to abide to OUR RULES...NO NUKES IN IRAN!!!! don't be mad at me because in the end you guys will end up in democracy..Just like Iraq....Don't be mad at me because your time of insanity is counted...don't be mad at me because we TREAT WOMEN EQUALLY and offer them the same respect and give them the same PLACE in society as they DO deserves...don't be mad at me because we don't beat women just because a little bit of their ankles shows up when walking down the street......don't be mad at me because we allow the society to be free and raised their opinions and concerns as one voice and not the voice of insanity and irrationality....don't be mad at me because we know and enjoy this well deserved freedom and you don't....We know it sucks....it really does..we understand that...Allow us to give a helping hand...c'mmon bro....let us do it..all you have to do is tell your president to give up nukes...and allow free democracy in your country...is not too hard...hey we do that here and we are not getting killed....matter fact, I can tell the president face to face " I want you to raise the federal minimun wage", and the best part....I will still be alive!!!!!!! But we understand you have the limitations.....like feeling threatened for your life...we understand that....but you tell me...what can we do to help you achieve democracy....and live in a free country...c'mon getto boy...

שנאָרער!!!! שלימזל


In the name of Jesus, Shalom.

[millionairetobe71]

edited by me, MTB71

[shotgunsusie]

Accept that Israel exist, especially that 6 million Jews died in genocides commited during WWII

You see that is the difference between you and me. You like being told what to do in a list format, I don't. I like making my own rules, not just to follow what someone else says is good for me. So, with due respect I do not accept any of the above non-sense :lmao: Sounds like a bunch of war-mongering to me.

Peace out from snow glittered Tehran
so you are saying, in essence, that you dont believe jews were slaughtered???

[ALIBABBA]

MB71 Outstanding and well said.

A 'touchy-feelie' CNN reporter, while interviewing a Marine sniper, asked, "What do you feel when you shoot a terrorist."

The Marine shrugged and replied, "Recoil."

Semper Fi, from the Old Guard 3/5 Mangadai Warriors!

[millionairetobe71]

Here is more.....

CNN:

Iran 'must face Security Council'

The five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council reached a surprising agreement Tuesday that Iran should be hauled before the powerful body over its disputed nuclear program.

[iamback]

I do agree that anyone can pose to be anyone on a forum, but for the sake of clarity, iamback is posting from an Iranian internet service provider.

Investors Iraq has people posting from all "four corners of the globe".

:wave:


Thank you Mr. Moderator! I see you've got the whois "-L" option down....cool :wave: I would love to sign in as my proginal username, but user "Jerry" with moderator status decided I should be muted. I would like to ask that you re-enable that username, as I do enjoy civil exchanges of view. Thanks.

So that the dear readers on this forum know. I have lived in the US for over 15 years, almost half my life (no I am not 17, although I wish I was). I have nothing against the great country that be the US of A (another inner-city youth term). That's right square pants the Brady bunch would have loved to see the current Will & Grace family values :lmao:

Oh where to start, one must scratch his head quite a bit. First off let me say that it is quite interesting for me to see folks who claim freedom use terms like "land we have claimed" or "invade Iran"....what ???? last time I looked invade was a term used to destablize a soveriegn government such as Iran. Now, as I said I love the USA to death all of its freedoms and restrictions, yes there are restrictions in the US just like there are restrictions in Iran, just in different ways. Anyone who would like to view a list of these, can PM me.

Now, having known both the great nations of USA and Iran, I come to realize that we are not enemies. It is actually the Zionists who lobby hard for increased US control in the Middle East (another can of worms, Zionists used to live with the Babylonians, and they have an eye to that land again. Putting religion aside Iran has no fundamental differences with the US other than the Israel issue. If you take note anything linked to Iranian terrorism has and Israeli connection ??? Think about it! Why?? Why is the US blind sighted by the Israel issue? We have no other problems with the US. Iranians actually are impressed by Americans after all many key sciences were developed there, yet there exists no love for American govn't attitudes. I actually know many American women married to Iranian men, that don't want to leave Iran.

Why is Iran's position towards Israel so provocative to the US/Israeli allies? After all Iran wants for the Palestinians live in peace (I do admit there is a certain trace of not bowing to the US to it, but hey you gotta admire that)

Now, economically Iran is not fed only by oil. You see once the country develops all its infrastructure including from needels to satellite production, and yes you guessed it nuclear....and many industries in between, yet we cannot launch a space craft nor can we manufacture reliable airplanes. As I said before sanction will also enable Iran to produce those industries also. Now lets say no-one purchases oil from Iran (worse case impossibility): Iran will use the oil it has to run its own idustrial cogs. Really folks sanctions are quite impotent for Iran. Besides there are many starving countries (Russia and China, India, Brazil, France, .....) that will trade with us.

Now on the topic of invading Iran: One must remember that not only the "Roman War rules" or Napoleon style are the only traceable thought patterns on this planet. As there exist concepts such as Sun Tzu, Ali Sword, and Talmudic style economic warfare. I think we are agreed that sanctions on Iran will have limited effects if any (unlike many Euro and Asian economies that even change their interest rated with the US). Now please indulge for a brief moment in my humble thought patterns:

-If higher end weaponry is the only advantage in war, why is the US stuck in Iraq for 3 years?

-Will a paid soldier fight more fiercely or someone fighting for his home? (remember vietnam? That was the only reason the US lost the war)

-Let me remind you that although I am not a fan of the Mullahs, I do admire their intelligence (you must learn to see past the turban first). Have you ever thought that they may already have nukes? hey we already have the technology, isn't that what all the fuss is about these days. As to why does Iran have independent nuclear technology.

-Last time they called for Basiji turnout in Iran they got an amazing 15 million turnout, I saw it! Compare that with at most 1 million US troops. What is the US going to do kill ALL the civilians? So a ground war with Iran is out of the question, US can't even handle Iraq.

Let me tell you something: I know people that are willing to leave their V-6 SUV, nice apartment and job and go to defend their country.

Remember the US and Iran are not enemies. Israel is the main enemy. Even the diplomats held hostage in Iran (which were not hurt) had a Mossad link !

Are you READY to see the world from another lense?

I will be skiing tomorrow, so while everyone prepares their fierce response, peace out from Tehran.

[iamback]

The Iranian Government blows up on purpose women and children. Iran sponsers these murders in both Iraq and Israel and would love to sponser even more murder in other countries across the world if it could. Countries like Iraq and Israel have a right to defend itself against such terrorist tactics. How you can so smuggly and even seemingly "happily" justify that type of tactic is what I don't understand.


Dear friend: Why does the US kill Iraq civilians? What have they done? Saddam was setup by the US. That is why Iran hated him, that is why he attacked Iran.

I do not defend terrorism tactics "happily". I am against the killing of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis.

[iamback]

So you say give the US oil and there will be peace?
The wrong answer.

The secret is the following.....:shhh:

Instead of spending $Billions every year trying to keep peace in the Middle East, spend those $Billions on reseaching an alternative to oil.

If the US did this (they have the capacity to), the world dependence on the Middle East would cease almost overnight. Oil is the only thing THEY have that WE want, simple.

If we did this, all the richest arabs would leave the Middle East and within 20 years the people left behind would go back to fighting on camels with antique weapons.

Would we care?:no:

Let's not kid ourselves that this invasion was for WMDs or Humanitarian reasons. ;)

Imagine all those Billions of Dollars put into Alternative Energy Research and Production.

I am not saying Iraq won't work. I think it will. But for all the wrong reasons.


That may be true for most Arab countries. We went through 27 years of sanctions, yet people's standards cars in Iran are Quite comparable to Euro cars. You see the key, is Iran is quite independent economically.

[iamback]

I think the real reasons that Iranians are starting to do some significant buying of the NID/IQD is because of (1) uncertainty about their future, and (2) the NID/IQD is much more likely to appreciate in the near future than their currency. In addition to the issue of risk brought about by the uncertainty of the moment, there is a possibility that this situation could escalate. It that case, the value of the IRR Iranian Rials would depreciate even more so. Especially relative to the NID/IQD.

This problem may escalate thanks to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's politics that have everybody in Washington and our allies in Europe concerned. If they do escalate to include sanctions against Iran, it may also include an embargo, or an even an outright blockade of their ports. In that case, the only outlet to 'friendly countries' would be the Caspian Sea to Russia, or possibly an overland route thru Azerbaijan. The second would depend on the mood of the Azerbaijanis.

That kind of escalation would put a bid dent in the Iranian economy. The Iranians wouldn't be able to ship their oil out through the Persian Gulf, and nothing could be brought in except those items allowed under the sanctions, embargo, or blockade. The USN plus the navies of its allies have adequate capability to block the Strait of Hormuz and the Iranian coastline bordering the Sea of Oman without unduly risking their assets. Allied air and naval activity would reduce the Iranian economic activity dramatically. Ahmadinejad and his friends will not be able to do anything except rant, run to the UN and ask for sanctions, embargo, and blockade to be lifted. The Iranians seem to be thinking ahead. Like real far ahead.

Sincerely,

investindinar

Based on my knowledge Iranians are not investing in NID. I am a rarity here.

[iamback]

Thank you Munny and Percee,

You see, iamback, I will not let you come to this forum and treat my country the way you treated. We are not civilians murders and we don't kill your people. And under no circumstances I will allow you to do that. If I get thrown out of the forum, then be it.

I defend my country in word and deed.


These are just words. Show me a direct case where and Iranian was involved in killing an American. It is all allegations like Hamas killed an Israeli and the US loves Israel and Hamas gets money from Iran so its Iran's fault.....twisted logic but no real proof just allegations through a big media horn. Did you know Iranians held vigil for victims of 9/11? Did you know Iranians will be happy when Sharon dies? How much do you really know? Shalom !

[iamback]

so you are saying, in essence, that you dont believe jews were slaughtered???


Ahh the voice of reason is in all of us, but do we like listening to it????

If today there exists 10 million Jews how could six million Jews have been killed in WWII ??

I believe a genocide did occur, probably somewhere around one million at most. We are currently holding a research conference into it. Well if there is so much freedom in the West why is it that you can go to jail for simply questioning the Holocaust ??

Only the blade of reason here, glazed with logic :wave:

[Panther]

"Putting religion aside Iran has no fundamental differences with the US other than the Israel issue. If you take note anything linked to Iranian terrorism has and Israeli connection ??? Think about it! Why?? Why is the US blind sighted by the Israel issue? We have no other problems with the US. Iranians actually are impressed by Americans after all many key sciences were developed there..."

What is it about the existence of Israel that that gets under your turban and causes so much hatred... Seriously, I do not understand.

[MunnyBaggs]

Dear friend: Why does the US kill Iraq civilians? What have they done? Saddam was setup by the US. That is why Iran hated him, that is why he attacked Iran.

I do not defend terrorism tactics "happily". I am against the killing of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis.

Well a small bit of progress. You are at least against the killings of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis. As am I. Are you against the killing of innocent Israel women and children as well??? Because that is exactly what the Iranian Government sponsers. Why does the US kill Iraqi civilians? In any war there will be death of innocents. It sucks but when we fight back against terrorism there is no perfect way to do it. But the bottom line is the USA could have completely leveled Baghdad and many other Iraqi cities with not one US soldier setting foot in Iraq. I wish I had a magic wand to wipe out all terrorists and all leaders of nations that sponser terrorists. But there has never been a war where innocents lost lives. It's sadly impossible. But the difference is we are not specifically targeting women and children and try to never take an innocent life. That's what makes you and I different. The Government of Iran/Syria fund and target specifically innocent children. Fairly clear distinction there. I ask you to reject that type of battle. Either way Iran's old guard Mullahs are doomed to lose. It's not a matter of "if" but "when". Will you go out in your streets of Iran now and protest against targeting innocent women and children? Will you go out now and protest against the Mullah regime? Please rethink your position and join us. We have no beef with the majority of Iranian people. Just a regime that specifically targets and pays to kill children.

[CashMan]

I got a question. This thread has been hijacked and is now just political. Not about the dinar. Why hasn't the mods moved it to the political thread or some thing like that? Mods please redirect this thread. Any how that is how I read it. Or some how get it back on track. :confused:

[iamback]

"Putting religion aside Iran has no fundamental differences with the US other than the Israel issue. If you take note anything linked to Iranian terrorism has and Israeli connection ??? Think about it! Why?? Why is the US blind sighted by the Israel issue? We have no other problems with the US. Iranians actually are impressed by Americans after all many key sciences were developed there..."

What is it about the existence of Israel that that gets under your turban and causes so much hatred... Seriously, I do not understand.


That is funny....what gets under my turban??? Good one :lmao: well I'd say its the same thing that gets in Bush's jogging shorts about Iran not recognizing Israel. Once we find out why the US vehemently defends Israel, then we can trace the roots why mullahs get the Israel flea in their turban :lmao:

[F355]

Trade sanctions have limited effects on a cash based economy like Iran's. When you own your house and car outright you just don't sell when prices don't suit you. See what I am getting at? Aero industry does have an affect on Iran Airs aging Boeing fleet, which really only leads to the death of innocent civilians , thanks to the US. But this will lead to an Iranian aero industry in the near future. then you can be sure, sanctions will have no effect on Iran, it seems like the US is sanctioning itself out of phase. All major economies trade heavily with Iran...namely: India, China, Brazil, Russia, EU, South Africa, etc....

peace out from Tehran

They didn't have any effect on the cash economy of Sadaam's Iraq either. :rolleye03 :rolleye03 :rolleye03

[millionairetobe71]

That is funny....what gets under my turban??? Good one :lmao: well I'd say its the same thing that gets in Bush's jogging shorts about Iran not recognizing Israel. Once we find out why the US vehemently defends Israel, then we can trace the roots why mullahs get the Israel flea in their turban :lmao:



All you need to do is become democratic. Point.

And if you went skiing, well you may as wel one of those who has "priviledges" and of course, high sphere and aligned to the hardline core....

Fix all your problems "getto boy"..don't kill your women, give them rights just like we do.... read below..


Iran’s Women Victims of Double Suppression

Discrimination against women is an official policy of the regime ruling Iran. Their persecution, disingenuously justifies on religious pretext, is nothing more than institutionalized abuse of their human rights.
Women face restrictions in virtually every aspect of daily life, and are denied equal educational, professional, legal and personal opportunities and rights.
Medieval punishments for the infractions are condoned by law. Those who refuse to relinquish their freedom risk dire consequences, including flogging, imprisonment and stoning (http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/). This flagrant disregard of international law and humanitarian standards can not be met with silence.
The plight of Iran’s women challenges us to act in defense of the precious rights inherent to us all.

[LongShot]

Once we find out why the US vehemently defends Israel, then we can trace the roots why mullahs get the Israel flea in their turban :lmao:

I think bottom line is if we didn't there would be no more Jews in the world. Am I correct? Why can't you both live in peace? I just don't get it. I know the history but that is history what are we to do now. If Israel was wiped out does everything get better over night? :confused: When does it stop? How can it get better? What needs to be done? I know the history but like I said What do we do now (the present)?

[LongShot]

That stoning video was just horrific!

[millionairetobe71]

Dear friend: Why does the US kill Iraq civilians? What have they done? Saddam was setup by the US. That is why Iran hated him, that is why he attacked Iran.




Hey, in any war, there is always collateral damage..unfortunate events happens....BUT I know that is not done with the idea in mind of merely kill civilians...in YOUR case, a state that sponsors terrorism, is just as fine to kill yourself, the person next to it, the mother, the father, the son, the daughter, the cat, the dog and all the familiy tree just for not having the same fundamentalistic ideals....



I do not defend terrorism tactics "happily". I am against the killing of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis.


You probably are right....You dont defend terrorism "happiliy"...but gladly....and may be you are against killing Palestinians and Iraqis, BUT you will be soooo happy to kill an Israeli OR your own people....and that is a fact...can you deny facts?? These are facts:

Stoning to Death in Iran:
A Crime Against Humanity
Carried Out By the Mullahs' Regime
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SITUATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN

PREPARED BY MR. MAURICE DANBY COPITHORNE
SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS ON THE SITUATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN


OCTOBER 1997

B. Torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment


On July 14, 1995, Amnesty International reported that two women by the names of Saba Abdali, 30, and Zeinab Heidary, 38, were faced with stoning in the city of Ilam Gharb.

On December 7, 1994, Reuters quoted a state-controlled newspaper report by Hamshahri, on a married woman who was stoned to death in the city of Ramhormouz, southwestern Iran.

Ressalat, March 1, 1994, read: "A woman was stoned to death in the city of Qom."

Kayhan of February 1, 1994, reported that a woman named Mina Kolvat was stoned to death in Tehran for having immoral relations with her cousin.

The U.N. Special Representative on the human rights situation in Iran reported to the U.N. General Assembly in 1993: "On November 1, 1992, a woman named Fatima Bani was stoned to death in Isfahan."

Abrar reported on November 5, 1991 that a woman charged with immoral relations was stoned in the city of Qom.

According to Kayhan, August 21, 1991, a woman charged with adultery by the name of Kobra was sentenced to 70 lashes and stoning. The verdict was carried out in the presence of local people and district officials.

Jomhouri Islami wrote on March 11, 1991, that in Rasht (northern Iran), "Bamani Fekri, child of Mohammad-Issa, guilty of complicity in first-degree murder, adultery and incineration of the victim's body; was sentenced to stoning, retribution, blinding of both eyes and payment of 100 gold dinars. After the announcement of the verdict, she committed suicide in prison."

Ressalat reported on January 16, 1990, that a woman was stoned to death in the city of Bandar Anzali (northern Iran).

Ettela'at reported on January 5, 1990: "Two women were stoned publicly on Wednesday in the northern city of Lahijan."

Jomhouri Islami, January 2, 1990: "Two women were stoned in the city of Langrood (northern Iran)."

Kayhan wrote on July 31, 1989: "Six women were stoned to death publicly in Kermanshah on charges of adultery and moral corruption."

Kayhan, October 4, 1986, reported that a 25-year-old woman named Nosrat was stoned to death in the city of Qom. She died after an hour of continuos stoning.

The brutality is not limited to stoning. For example, in late May 1990, in the city of Neyshabour (northeastern Iran), a woman charged with adultery was thrown off a 10-story building. The execution was carried out in public, and the victim died on impact

In an interview with Le Figaro on September 10, 1994, Rafsanjani was asked, "Are women accused of adultery stoned in Iran?" He replied: "No, no such thing exists in Iran. This has been fabricated to damage us."


Do you deny those facts?? These are your people, the ones that you say will pick up arms and defend your country BUT you kill them??? C'mmon "Ghetto Boy".. Anyone scare will better face the devil than face your Guards...or your President!!!

America don't do this type of barbaric things.....

[millionairetobe71]

OOOOOOOOhhhhh...there is some more ...iamback..

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Official Laws Against Women in Iran



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[millionairetobe71]

And some more...

Women to be hanged, stoned to death in Iran
Sun. 26 Dec 2004
Iran Focus

Tehran, Dec. 26 – Iranian press have reported the public execution of at least four women in the past year, with at least 14 more to be publicly hanged or stoned to death.

Iran Focus has obtained the names and particulars of the four executed women, among them a 16-year-old girl. They were:

1. Monireh Ghasempour, hanged in public in Tehran on July 11;
2. Atefeh (Sahaleh) Rajabi, 16 years old, hanged in public in the northern town of Neka on August 15;
3. Diba Zomorodian, a microbiology student, hanged in Qazvin (western Iran) on June 29;
4. Unknown woman hanged in Qazvin on July 12.

Iran Focus has also obtained the names of the 14 women currently on death row:

1. Afsaneh Norouzi, aged 32, sentenced to stoning
2. Kobra Rahmanpour
3. Najmeh Vosouq-Razavi
4. Hajiyeh Esmaeilvand, sentenced to stoning
5. Mandana Nikkhou
6. Shahla Jahed
7. Faeze A.
8. Fatemeh Haghighat-Pajou
9. Leyla Mafi, aged 19
10. Sara
11. Zahra
12. Raheleh
13. Tayyebeh
14. Shahnaz, aged 35

In the fifty-first United Nations resolution censuring human rights abuses in Iran, the UN General Assembly condemned the Iranian regime on December 20 making particular reference to the treatment of women. It expressed its serious concern at “the systemic discrimination against women and girls in law and in practice … and the refusal of the Guardian Council to take steps to address this systematic discrimination, noting in this context its rejection, in August 2003, of the elected Parliament’s proposal to accede to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women”.

Iran has in recent weeks stepped up public executions, sparking an international outcry. One such event on 7 December, where seven people were hanged together in public in the southeastern town of Zahedan, was broadcast on national television.



Do you deny facts??

[Kevmo]

[QUOTE=iamback]...... Show me a direct case where and Iranian was involved in killing an American.

1) Khobar Towers. Planned and financed by Govt. of Iran. Passports provided to homicide bombers at Iranian Embassy in Syria. Perps trained by Iranian intellegence agents in Bekaa Valley. 19 Americans killed

2) Marine Corp barracks in Lebannon. less clear evidence but most point to Iran. 241 U.S. Marines killed.

Frankly, Iamback, I respect your patriotism. Most of the world would turn a blind eye if the leadership of Iran was killing thousands of your own citizens a day as long as they restricted their deeds to within the Iranian borders, but they do not and will not. That too is a sad testiment.

Unfortunately, your leaders are fanning the flames of war. They are going to feed your people with unrelenting propaganda about the west. At the end of the day Iran will not have nuclear weapons. Your leadership if far too unstable and expansionist. Hopefully, they will be taken down from within Iran. However, if Iran continues on it current coarse, your leadership will make sure that there are an endless number of martyrs.......but none of them will be among them.

Peace Brotha.

[iamback]

And some more...

Women to be hanged, stoned to death in Iran
Sun. 26 Dec 2004
Iran Focus

Tehran, Dec. 26 – Iranian press have reported the public execution of at least four women in the past year, with at least 14 more to be publicly hanged or stoned to death.

Iran Focus has obtained the names and particulars of the four executed women, among them a 16-year-old girl. They were:

1. Monireh Ghasempour, hanged in public in Tehran on July 11;
2. Atefeh (Sahaleh) Rajabi, 16 years old, hanged in public in the northern town of Neka on August 15;
3. Diba Zomorodian, a microbiology student, hanged in Qazvin (western Iran) on June 29;
4. Unknown woman hanged in Qazvin on July 12.

Iran Focus has also obtained the names of the 14 women currently on death row:

1. Afsaneh Norouzi, aged 32, sentenced to stoning
2. Kobra Rahmanpour
3. Najmeh Vosouq-Razavi
4. Hajiyeh Esmaeilvand, sentenced to stoning
5. Mandana Nikkhou
6. Shahla Jahed
7. Faeze A.
8. Fatemeh Haghighat-Pajou
9. Leyla Mafi, aged 19
10. Sara
11. Zahra
12. Raheleh
13. Tayyebeh
14. Shahnaz, aged 35

In the fifty-first United Nations resolution censuring human rights abuses in Iran, the UN General Assembly condemned the Iranian regime on December 20 making particular reference to the treatment of women. It expressed its serious concern at “the systemic discrimination against women and girls in law and in practice … and the refusal of the Guardian Council to take steps to address this systematic discrimination, noting in this context its rejection, in August 2003, of the elected Parliament’s proposal to accede to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women”.

Iran has in recent weeks stepped up public executions, sparking an international outcry. One such event on 7 December, where seven people were hanged together in public in the southeastern town of Zahedan, was broadcast on national television.



Do you deny facts??

Your views are simply biased. Yes there are many problems in Iran, but we seem to have less of them than in most parts of the world. Due to the peace loving nature of Iranians. Yes stoning is horrible, it is a trobal act that has nothing to do with Islam At worst I would classify it as murder. Let me make it clear that stoning is in no way condoned by the gov't. These people are a group not any more shameless that mormons. Hey Pakistan and India have stoning too, as do many other countries in the world. While wrong, why is stoning the only issue you can show....are human rights well respected in America where eavesdropping occurs with govmt' approval? Or is it because 46 million Americans have to health coverage so you can pay for the Iraq war? Or is it because America has a dark history of lethal injection to inmates? So the US does not fully abide by human rights either. Was Abu-Gharib a sample of US human rights, or Gitmo? Or perhaps so called "renditions" or sanctioned kidnapping by the CIA of whomever they see fit. Or is it simply because I felt like a second hand citizen in the US for 15 years for being Muslim? I have seen both sides of the fence, you have only seen internet sites and media coverage.

just go to this site and see for yourself which country has the highest number of rapes and murders.....the US is the top 6th on most murders and and number 1 in rapes. Hardly a track record to preach on. Can you see through a different lense? And no I am not rich because I go skiing, skiing is quite affordable here. cheap energy for cars, lifts, and hotels...cheap overall, one of the world top ski-able ranges.

www.nationmaster.com

[iamback]

[QUOTE=iamback]...... Show me a direct case where and Iranian was involved in killing an American.

1) Khobar Towers. Planned and financed by Govt. of Iran. Passports provided to homicide bombers at Iranian Embassy in Syria. Perps trained by Iranian intellegence agents in Bekaa Valley. 19 Americans killed

2) Marine Corp barracks in Lebannon. less clear evidence but most point to Iran. 241 U.S. Marines killed.

Frankly, Iamback, I respect your patriotism. Most of the world would turn a blind eye if the leadership of Iran was killing thousands of your own citizens a day as long as they restricted their deeds to within the Iranian borders, but they do not and will not. That too is a sad testiment.

Unfortunately, your leaders are fanning the flames of war. They are going to feed your people with unrelenting propaganda about the west. At the end of the day Iran will not have nuclear weapons. Your leadership if far too unstable and expansionist. Hopefully, they will be taken down from within Iran. However, if Iran continues on it current coarse, your leadership will make sure that there are an endless number of martyrs.......but none of them will be among them.

Peace Brotha.


I repeat myself. Show me a direct case. I can also show you allegations of US and UK planting bombs in Ahvaz, Iran. Allegations are hardly concrete evidence. They are media speculations and we know who controls western media...that's right...zionists....

http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/englishRADIO/IRAN/airbus.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4646864.stm

You see internet links of allegations are abundant on all sides. What is real? Your reality or mine ?

[millionairetobe71]

[quote=iamback]Your views are simply biased. Yes there are many problems in Iran, but we seem to have less of them than in most parts of the world.

So YOU ARE denying facts. Just like you are denying the jewish existence, the just like your president, DENYING the holocaust, "Ghetto Boy"..get a grip of reality, educate yourself in history, history doesn't lie....and how could you say "I am biased...I did not counduct the investigation nor the website...the website send the word about your country atrocities not mine...SO NUKES ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT IN IRAN??? That is why sanction is on your way Ghetto Boy!


Due to the peace loving nature of Iranians.

Your peoplee are...not your government..



Yes stoning is horrible, it is a trobal act that has nothing to do with Islam At worst I would classify it as murder. Let me make it clear that stoning is in no way condoned by the gov't. These people are a group not any more shameless that mormons.

Your country thinks that is acceptable..read the information again and be realistic Ghetto Boy..

just go to this site and see for yourself which country has the highest number of rapes and murders.....the US is the top 6th on most murders and and number 1 in rapes.

Naturally, size related...however, we belive in Justice System...Innocent until proven guilty...not in your country....stonning women...BARBARIC!

[Jerry]

US steps up enforcement of existing sanctions; Big companies cutting commercial ties with Tehran

2nd Feb 2006

WASHINGTON (AFP): Several major finance and energy companies are cutting commercial ties with Iran as US authorities step up enforcement of existing sanctions and diplomatic pressure builds over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, a US newspaper reported on Tuesday. Dutch banking group ABN Amro and the UBS bank of Switzerland announced last week that they would halt business operations in Iran and the US energy services company Halliburton severed links last year. The US Justice Department is investigating all three firms for possible violations of US sanctions against Iran, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing lawyers, securities filings and unnamed sources familiar with the probe....

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/business/Viewdet.asp?ID=5500&cat=a

Better hope them outdated MIGS can keep up with our new fighters ;)

Then again who knows this could be a ploy just to drive oil prices...


Opec holds output, Iran oil exports to continue; Kuwait hails Opec decision

VIENNA (AFP): Opec said Tuesday it would keep oil production at a near record high as Iran insisted it would not halt oil exports amid the threat of a referral to the United Nations Security Council....

Venezuelan Energy Minister Rafael Ramirez however warned that the price of oil would rise even further if Iran were hauled before the Security Council. “If the pressure over Iran continues, the price will be higher,” he told reporters...

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/business/view.asp?msgID=5503

However high oil prices is good for our allies....


High oil prices continue to boost finances; UAE revenues up 22.6%

KUWAIT CITY: In the backdrop of the continuously increasing oil prices, UAE’s consolidated financial accounts, which cover the federal budget and expenditure by each emirate, presented a much more improved picture compared to the past. Total revenues increased by 22.6 per cent to AED94.4bn in 2004. Oil revenues, which form 78 per cent of the total revenues, were the main driver,

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/business/view.asp?msgID=5509

This pretty much sums it up...


Global need for energy stays strong; Hot prices, demand

VIENNA (AFP): Strong global demand for oil and high prices fuelled by nuclear fears in Iran may keep Opec from cutting its production levels for the entire year, despite calls by some producers to reduce supply. The Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which accounts for 40 per cent of global crude supplies, left its production ceiling at 28 million barrels per day at a meeting in Vienna on Tuesday....

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/business/view.asp?msgID=5508

[SaraDinar]

Thanks, Jerry, very interesting and informative news on the topic of Iran, appreciate it. :)



Women to be hanged, stoned to death in Iran
Sun. 26 Dec 2004
Iran Focus

In the fifty-first United Nations resolution censuring human rights abuses in Iran, the UN General Assembly condemned the Iranian regime on December 20 making particular reference to the treatment of women. It expressed its serious concern at “the systemic discrimination against women and girls in law and in practice … and the refusal of the Guardian Council to take steps to address this systematic discrimination, noting in this context its rejection, in August 2003, of the elected Parliament’s proposal to accede to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women”.

Do you deny facts??
Iamback, as far as your assertion that these crimes are not systemic but are just bound to a religious group, (your quote about the Mormons) this very definitely refutes that notion with a UN General Assembly resolution. If we are dealing with facts, then you cannot change the issue from SYSTEMIC IN LAW AND PRACTICE, which affects the entire country, to ISOLATED and used by a single unrepresentative group (such as Mormons).

When you say:

why is stoning the only issue you can show....are human rights well respected in America
Stoning is not the only issue that can be shown, it is just the one currently under discussion. I can bring up more if need be. Do you wish for more? The issue of torture comes to mind..

As for human rights not being respected in America, you cannot be serious in making health care coverage and listening to overseas calls for intelligence equivalent to denying women not only their liberties, but also their right to life. I will agree with you that Gitmo did show some human rights abuses - you will note our own courts convicted them of those charges - but again, these are not systemic abuses as the killing and persecution of women is in law and practice in Iran. Lethal injection does occur in the US, however, that is considered to be punishment for a convicted crime. Will you assert here that this is true of these women as well? Will you say that the killing of these women is indeed EQUIVALENT to executing a death row inmate for their crimes? I think you would find very few who would agree, if so. Indeed, if that is what you are arguing, you would be saying these women committed these crimes they are accused of, contrary to us and the world saying that they are innocent of anything other than wishing their freedom, which is why we call it a human rights ABUSE. As for justifying Iran's evil behavior by saying other countries (such as India and Pakistan) do this same behavior, that is not an excuse. You cannot successfully shift the blame onto the mode of death being employed that way. The crime is the killing of innocent people, a human rights ABUSE, the stoning is just a barbaric way of carrying out that act of murder. It is equally wrong if you hang them or behead them. Stoning is not the issue, their being killed for only wishing to express a differing viewpoint is.

When you say:

Or is it simply because I felt like a second hand citizen in the US for 15 years for being Muslim?
I think we may be closer to home. If you adopt these views based on how a few people mistreated you (for surely you never have met the entire populace of the USA), then it is not right for you to allow that subjective viewpoint to taint how you view the facts. You must speak truth, not lies, for your opinion to be held as valid and accepted among men and in the world at large. I suggest you look carefully and assess your own objectivity in this case, as I believe you are capable of doing since you are an articulate and learned person judging by your postings.

Sara.

[F355]

[QUOTE=Kevmo]


I repeat myself. Show me a direct case. I can also show you allegations of US and UK planting bombs in Ahvaz, Iran. Allegations are hardly concrete evidence. They are media speculations and we know who controls western media...that's right...zionists....

http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/englishRADIO/IRAN/airbus.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4646864.stm

You see internet links of allegations are abundant on all sides. What is real? Your reality or mine ?

killing an innocent Canadian....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/

INDEPTH: ZAHRA KAZEMI
Iran's changing story
CBC News Online | Updated November 16, 2005

Iranian-Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi died in Iranian custody on July 11, 2003, almost three weeks after she was arrested for taking pictures outside a prison during a student protest in Tehran.

Two days later, Iran's official news agency reported that Kazemi had died in hospital, after suffering a stroke while she was being interrogated. On July 16, 2003, the story changed. Mohammad Ali Abtahi, Iran's vice-president, conceded that Kazemi died as a result of being beaten.

Later, the Iranian government would charge an Iranian security agent in Kazemi's death. He was acquitted of a charge of "quasi-intentional murder. In July 2004, Iran's judiciary said the head injuries that killed Kazemi were the result of an "accident."

The case stayed under the radar screens of most Canadians until March 31, 2005, and the stunning revelations of Shahram Azam, a former staff physician in Iran's Defence Ministry. He said he examined Kazemi in hospital, four days after her arrest.

Azam said Kazemi showed obvious signs of torture, including:
· Evidence of a very brutal rape.
· A skull fracture, two broken fingers, missing fingernails, a crushed big toe and a broken nose.
· Severe abdominal bruising, swelling behind the head and a bruised shoulder.
· Deep scratches on the neck and evidence of flogging on the legs.

Do you remember this atrocity, or is your memory selective?

Your government illegally arrested her, then murdered her for taking pictures of one of your gulags.:mad:
Nice place, your country!!!

[Count Dinar]

[QUOTE=Kevmo]


I repeat myself. Show me a direct case. I can also show you allegations of US and UK planting bombs in Ahvaz, Iran. Allegations are hardly concrete evidence. They are media speculations and we know who controls western media...that's right...zionists....

http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/englishRADIO/IRAN/airbus.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4646864.stm

You see internet links of allegations are abundant on all sides. What is real? Your reality or mine ?

Hey I've got one for ya skinny,

We don't need to invade Iran to break you! When you are sound asleep at night on your mat on the dirt floor we will come. You will experience multiple explosions all around Tehran, when the United States decides to flex it's military muscle. Precision guided bombs will blow your country to pieces. We don't need to invade, if you cut off the head the body will die. Your nutcase president who (in my opinion) was one of the terrorists behind the Israeli Olympians being killed, will die by the push of OUR button! If I had my way we would just drop the bomb with all the bells and whistles and make that god forsaken place a giant parking lot. When you children learn to play nicely in the sandbox maybe we'll give you, your shovel's back. I take quiet reserved happiness knowing that when your end comes it will be silent and swift. Not the way your country has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians!