US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran

[paganiniraq]

US steps up plans for possible Iran attack: report
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. administration is stepping up plans for a possible air strike on Iran, despite publicly pushing for a diplomatic solution to a dispute over its nuclear ambitions, according to a report by influential investigative journalist Seymour Hersh.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060409/ts_nm/iran_hersh_dc;_ylt=AjVKapF66B.K68VbmE_6MQpg.3QA;_y lu=X3oDMTA4b3FrcXQ0BHNlYwMxNjkz

[paganiniraq]

US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The administration of President George W Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility.
In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat.
But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed.
The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah.
"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060408/ts_afp/usirannuclearmilitary;_ylt=Aq6kz.FMaGl5GUCjzS0mDqx g.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4b3FrcXQ0BHNlYwMxNjkz

[ramis]

Fools never learn from mistakes.

[goldraker]

Peace talks first, please! Man these guys are way to aggressive. I would do things much less harmful.

[ski bum]

Unfortunately FOOLS run both governments! :confused:

[paganiniraq]

I don't mind saying that the part "some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed" has me a little more than a lot, nervous....

[Anaconda_Dinar_Sheik]

One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes.

I do not believe this weapon will have a large civilian casualty, it will leave a big crater....

Lets just do it!!!

[CashMan]

We will have to see what happens. But I do believe Bush would and could do it. I have an uneasy feeling about him and I voted for him. Shaking my head in shame. We need Newt really bad now.:D I like this article a little better but they are pretty much the same.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=C3HY5I431EHHRQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/news/2006/04/09/wbush09.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/09/ixportaltop.html

[Lux]

It would certainly do the job.

Here it is:

2 links and a pic

B61-11 Earth-Penetrating Weapon (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b61-11.htm)

B-2A Bomber Dropping a B61-11 Gravity Bomb (http://www.brook.edu/FP/projects/nucwcost/b2atest.htm)


http://www.paulshambroomart.com/art/nuclear%20weapons%20revA/images/7525_18%20B6111.jpg


(http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf03norris)

[goldraker]

Sometimes it is great to be American!!!!

[panhead]

Peace talks first, please! Man these guys are way to aggressive. I would do things much less harmful.

blah blah blah....the only option we have is to be aggressive with these people, it's the only thing they understand.

[red42]

A pre-emptive nuclear strike, oh that sets a great precedent.
Won’t that look good in the history books.

Suspected nuclear weapons facility, uhhh yea lets try to be sure about that.

[panhead]

A pre-emptive nuclear strike, oh that sets a great precedent.
Won’t that look good in the history books.

Suspected nuclear weapons facility, uhhh yea lets try to be sure about that.

pre-emptive strike?.....we're not talking about several hundred ICBM's against Russia, the weapons they are refering to are bunker busters!

[meninblack]

Red42, that would look better than the headline "New York City Nuclear Bomb Blamed for World Economic Crash" . Tough decisions need to be made soon. This part of life really sucks!

[BigE]

a bunch on non-educatied people who complain about this....we should ask ourselves some simple questions?

1. Is it better we do some UNDERGROUND testing in Iran or is it better for Iran to do some above ground testing on Isreal, Romania, or even GB?

2. Does anyone really if it wouild really harm anyone other than Iranian workers at the plants, that is unless they use human shields. UNDERGROUND NUKES SHOULD BE MOSTLY CONTAINED JUST LIKE IN TESTING WE AND OTHER COUNTRIES DO.

Every politician we know complaining about this, could care less if Iran gets NUKES as long as it gets them in power.

As for me....the FASTER WE TAKE CARE OF IRAN the faster IRAQ will be a economic power? Anyone who beleives IRAN isn't the one causing problems in Iraq is truly emtpy between the ears.

Or we can do what 2 of our former possible presidental canidates wanted to do.....LETS JUST GIVE IRAN NUCLEAR FUEL. :drunk:

[tmorr37]

Well. We can see the Liberal posters here.
Tell me when and where these Liberal Ideas have worked.
They never have or will.
If we all stood together and demanded they give up their nukes or else We would see them back down. But the Libs and the media will not let that happen.
Like Saddam, who thought he could defeat us in public and world opinion.
It is the Liberals that have defeated us and what is fighting us in Iraq.
The terrorist attack us there to defeat us with our anti American liberal friends and Media.
If they can hold out long enough the Liberals will pull us out. They say so every day
Now it's only the first quarter of this game so if we can get the Libs to sit down and shut up we will WIN this thing and have a peaceful democracy and our dinars Will take off


Your way = failure in Iraq and spread of Terrorism
My way = victory with spread of Democracy ( Dinar hits $4.25 )

PS: So I'm a hate monger

[goldraker]

a bunch on non-educatied people who complain about this....we should ask ourselves some simple questions?

1. Is it better we do some UNDERGROUND testing in Iran or is it better for Iran to do some above ground testing on Isreal, Romania, or even GB?

2. Does anyone really if it wouild really harm anyone other than Iranian workers at the plants, that is unless they use human shields. UNDERGROUND NUKES SHOULD BE MOSTLY CONTAINED JUST LIKE IN TESTING WE AND OTHER COUNTRIES DO.

Every politician we know complaining about this, could care less if Iran gets NUKES as long as it gets them in power.

As for me....the FASTER WE TAKE CARE OF IRAN the faster IRAQ will be a economic power? Anyone who beleives IRAN isn't the one causing problems in Iraq is truly emtpy between the ears.

Or we can do what 2 of our former possible presidental canidates wanted to do.....LETS JUST GIVE IRAN NUCLEAR FUEL. :drunk:

Very good observation post! I think we should tone it down a little. If you know what we mean.

:shhh: :no: :shhh:

[red42]

A pre-emptive nuclear strike, oh that sets a great precedent.
Won’t that look good in the history books.

Suspected nuclear weapons facility, uhhh yea lets try to be sure about that.

pre·emp·tive or pre-emp·tive (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dpre-emptive)( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (pr - mp t v)
adj.

Of, relating to, or characteristic of preemption.
Having or granted by the right of preemption.

Relating to or constituting a military strike made so as to gain the advantage when an enemy strike is believed to be imminent: a preemptive nuclear attack.
Undertaken or initiated to deter or prevent an anticipated, usually unpleasant situation or occurrence: The two companies organized a preemptive alliance against a possible takeover by another firm.
Having or marked by the power to preempt or take precedence: a preemptive business offer; preemptive authority.
Games. Relating to or being a bid in bridge at a high level that is intended to interfere with the opponents' bidding. prec·e·dent (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dprecedent)( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (pr s -d nt)
n.


An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.
Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent.
Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet. v. sus·pect·ed, sus·pect·ing, sus·pects
v. tr.

To surmise to be true or probable; imagine: I suspect they are very disappointed.
To have doubts about; distrust: I suspect his motives. To think (a person) guilty without proof: The police suspect her of murder.

[Lux]

"It is a doctrine of war not to assume the enemy will not come, but rather to rely on one's readiness to meet him; not to presume that he will not attack, but rather to make one's self invincible."
- Sun Tzu, Chinese Warrior
In the case of dealing with Iran, I believe the stakes are too high to sit and watch them build nuclear weapons and to presume they will not attack.

Here's a good short read:The Art Of War, Sun Tzu and Four American Presidents
by Tom Adkins

Over two-thousand years ago, an ancient Chinese warrior wrote a brief book on warfare. His name was Sun Tzu. His book, The Art Of War, is now a staple for virtually any military strategic training.

Sun Tzu barely mentioned weaponry. Instead, he focused on strategies; strategies that convert to winning and losing. His insights into the nature of competition, battle and diplomacy apply to virtually every aspect of life, from the battlefield to the boardroom, from the football arena to the global arena.

Within this context, let's briefly examine the greatest challenges of our four most recent American presidents.

Kumbaya Diplomacy: Jimmy Carter versus Leonid Brezhnev

Demanding Victory: Ronald Reagan versus Mikhail Gorbachev

Herding Cats: George Bush versus Saddaam Hussein

Diplomatic Graffiti: Bill Clinton versus ChinaRead each here - they are brief, but to the point and stingingly accurate.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/chicomevil.htm

Another good short read
The Greatest Challenge In History - (http://www.commonconservative.com/adkins/adkins020106.shtml)Free the world (http://www.commonconservative.com/adkins/adkins020106.shtml)
:wave: (http://www.commonconservative.com/adkins/adkins020106.shtml)

[red42]

Well. We can see the Liberal posters here.
Tell me when and where these Liberal Ideas have worked.
They never have or will.
If we all stood together and demanded they give up their nukes or else We would see them back down. But the Libs and the media will not let that happen.
Like Saddam, who thought he could defeat us in public and world opinion.
It is the Liberals that have defeated us and what is fighting us in Iraq.
The terrorist attack us there to defeat us with our anti American liberal friends and Media.
If they can hold out long enough the Liberals will pull us out. They say so every day
Now it's only the first quarter of this game so if we can get the Libs to sit down and shut up we will WIN this thing and have a peaceful democracy and our dinars Will take off


Your way = failure in Iraq and spread of Terrorism
My way = victory with spread of Democracy ( Dinar hits $4.25 )

PS: So I'm a hate monger

lib·er·al http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg
adj.


<LI type=a>Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. <LI type=a>Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. <LI type=a>Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.


<LI type=a>Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.


Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.
Do you believe the Democrats and Repubilcans are different parties?

[red42]

In the article.

One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government," The New Yorker pointed out.

This is Extremely Naive

[red42]

a bunch on non-educatied people who complain about this....we should ask ourselves some simple questions?

1. Is it better we do some UNDERGROUND testing in Iran or is it better for Iran to do some above ground testing on Isreal, Romania, or even GB?

2. Does anyone really if it wouild really harm anyone other than Iranian workers at the plants, that is unless they use human shields. UNDERGROUND NUKES SHOULD BE MOSTLY CONTAINED JUST LIKE IN TESTING WE AND OTHER COUNTRIES DO.

Every politician we know complaining about this, could care less if Iran gets NUKES as long as it gets them in power.

As for me....the FASTER WE TAKE CARE OF IRAN the faster IRAQ will be a economic power? Anyone who beleives IRAN isn't the one causing problems in Iraq is truly emtpy between the ears.

Or we can do what 2 of our former possible presidental canidates wanted to do.....LETS JUST GIVE IRAN NUCLEAR FUEL. :drunk:

Define educated please.

[goldraker]

lib·er·al http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg
adj.


<LI type=a>Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. <LI type=a>Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. <LI type=a>Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.


<LI type=a>Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.


Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.
Do you believe the Democrats and Repubilcans are different parties?


Hey that's me! I Findley found myself! (COOL)


:happy64: :drunk: :happy64:

[TwoTone]

That's always been a favorite of mine. They call the strikes that they launched before the scheduled invasion pre-emptive. A REAL pre-emptive strike is one in which the enemy has forces amassed and is ready to attack and you launch an attack suddenly to disrupt or gain an advantage. Iraq was at that time in no way shape or form READY to do anything of the sort other than tuck tail and run.

TT

[Lux]

Assymetrical warfare means the soldiers aren't lined up in polished battle gear.

It means a nuke can ruin your morning breakfast and most likely the rest of your weekend.

I prefer the non-glowing Corn Flakes.

http://www.orangeafro.com/article_images/cornflakes100.jpg
http://www.orangeafro.com/article_images/boom100.jpg