The Salute

[CAP]

:rolleye03 Hopefully we can be a little more political in this forum, eh?

My opinion, as a biased veteran, is Kerrys' salute will turn off the majority of swing voters and Vets. They over played the 'Nam card so badly, then the "salute" to open?!? :confused:

To me it is so obvious they know they are on the wrong side of the war on terror, and desperately trying to make up ground. How weak? If this election is within 4 points I will be shocked. It is Dole vs. Clinton all over again. A terrible candidate who has paid his dues, thus is being offered as the sacrificial lamb while looking forward to the next election.

Curious to know if I am the "Lone Ranger" in my observation......... :)

PS- I'm conservative- but Dole sucked! :rolleye03

[minigirl]

Hopefully we can be a little more political in this forum, eh?

My opinion, as a biased veteran, is Kerrys' salute will turn off the majority of swing voters and Vets. They over played the 'Nam card so badly, then the "salute" to open?!?
To me it is so obvious they know they are on the wrong side of the war on terror, and desperately trying to make up ground. How weak? If this election is within 4 points I will be shocked. It is Dole vs. Clinton all over again. A terrible candidate who has paid his dues, thus is being offered as the sacrificial lamb while looking forward to the next election.

Curious to know if I am the "Lone Ranger" in my observation.........

PS- I'm conservative- but Dole sucked!


I didn't see/notice the salute. I was late for work, but I wanted to hear a little of his speech. I waited and waited for him to make his way to the podium... waving, hugging the vets, hugging the guy in the wheelchair :rolleye03

I got in the car to go to work and turned on Mike Savage - anyone ever listen to the Savage Nation? I don't agree with alot of what the guy says, and how mean he can be to people, but he cracks me the heck up!!! I'm a huge Laura Ingram fan.

I'm a conservative too - but I wasn't a Dole fan (for president) either. I would have been more likely to vote for Elizabeth. lol Bob Dole has that Viagra gig now so it's all good. LOL

[Marilyn]

I evolved from, an Independent into a Republican after 9/11.

I also love listening to Mike Savage, his views are rather skewed but I like how he approaches it. He had a brief run on MSNBC with "Savage Nation".

Laura Ingram is a goddess...

Monica Crowley...

Sean Hannity...

Rush Limbaugh...

Andrew Wilkow...

Mark Levin...

Ann Coulter (ouch!)

[CAP]

Churchill once said:
"If a man is not liberal when he is young then has no heart. If he is not concervative when he gets old, then he has no brain!"

The only debate in the quote is the definition of old....I would say, after you begin earning enough income to offset the emotions of youth. :confused:

[Dave]

my only problem with the salute was that it was a pitiful attempt at a salute. limp-wristed saluted like that earn you push-ups where i am from.

"beat yer face" - music to my ears, once upon a time.

[MJI Capital]

:rolleye03 Hopefully we can be a little more political in this forum, eh?

My opinion, as a biased veteran, is Kerrys' salute will turn off the majority of swing voters and Vets. They over played the 'Nam card so badly, then the "salute" to open?!? :confused:




For a party so fervantly anti-war....they sure ate up John Forbes Heinz Kerry's war intro. You want to talk about hypocrites...I paint the whole Democrat party with one brush as such. Just who are the Democrats anyway? (p.s. I know the answer.)

[MJI Capital]

I evolved from, an Independent into a Republican after 9/11.

I also love listening to Mike Savage, his views are rather skewed but I like how he approaches it. He had a brief run on MSNBC with "Savage Nation".

Laura Ingram is a goddess...

Monica Crowley...

Sean Hannity...

Rush Limbaugh...

Andrew Wilkow...

Mark Levin...

Ann Coulter (ouch!)

Marilyn....and you are from NYC? You should be ashamed of yourself for being so...so....so CONSERVATIVE!!!! :lmao:


Glad to see I am not alone in NY!!!! Its a small club....but it's one with morals, principles and rational thought...something I always live by.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Remember the beauty of the Democratic flip-flop. Remember Clinton, it was said at one time that he gave the best Republican speach ever written. Now we got Kerry! :no:

[QQQ]

marilyn after seeing all that you contribute and reading your great posts i just knew you were on the RIGHT side. welcome, we need folks like you. and from NYC. bless you.

[minigirl]

Marilyn - since I work nights, I rarely watch tv so I miss Hannity, etc. But when I get to work I turn on the local righty station and listen to Savage Nation, then Mike Gallagher, then Laura Ingram, then Bill Bennett on my way home. :)

Has anyone heard the talk about the swift boad guys who are against Kerry? I didn't know anything about this until yesterday on Savage:

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php

[RET]

Guess who I got to see in person today!?!?!? :wave:

OUR GREAT LEADER OF OUR NATION! What an experience!!! "We" were his first stop on his campaign trail. :happy64:

[minigirl]

Guess who I got to see in person today!?!?!? :wave:

OUR GREAT LEADER OF OUR NATION! What an experience!!! "We" were his first stop on his campaign trail. :happy64:

Are you in Missouri RET? I watched it on FNC - it was very stirring!

[RET]

Yup! Good 'ole Show Me State!

WHAT A SPEECH! Huge crowd, several thousand couldn't get in due to time and security. It was in a ball stadium that holds around 10,000! Quite an exciting experience! Several speakers (gov. officials) spoke with excellent speeches. One quote that got quite a bit of laughter was the topic of Democratic National Convention . . . " You the DNC Reality Show: Extreme Makeover?" . . .

My favorite was about our candidate wearing boots. . . and his opponent wearing FLIP FLOPS! That was hilarious!

Our president's speech was excellent. He spoke on several topics. He got a huge ovation when talking about our great military and their sacrifices. Another was about FAMILIES. I could go on and on. It was an experience I'll never forget!

I think the campaign slogan will be: "We're turning a corner and we're not looking back." He said that several times.

Very patriotic . . . great speeches, great crowd, good choice of music, etc.. . . couldn't have been any better! Well, if Laura was there, that would have been the icing on the cake. What a classy First Lady! I think his exact word describing Laura as the First Lady was FINE!

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT!

[justme]

I absolutely had to post this: has anyone been to http://www.jibjab.com Its absolutely hilarious. I just read a news report that said that Edwards and Kerry went to Wendys. Kerry and wife had no clue what was on the menu. Theresa pointed to the chili and asked what it was. Hummmm, perhaps out of touch with the real world or not?

for the record
Politically conservative

JustMe
Tamara

[minigirl]

I absolutely had to post this: has anyone been to http://www.jibjab.com Its absolutely hilarious. I just read a news report that said that Edwards and Kerry went to Wendys. Kerry and wife had no clue what was on the menu. Theresa pointed to the chili and asked what it was. Hummmm, perhaps out of touch with the real world or not?

for the record
Politically conservative

JustMe
Tamara

Tamara, yes! Marilyn posted the jibjab vid a while back - what a hoot!!!
Jay Leno had those guys on last week even I think!

It doesn't surprise about Wendy's.... she probably just checked what brand of ketchup they were using. lol

[TwoTone]

I feel like i am riding in a truck that has so much weight on the right side that its two right tires are about to explode!!!


lets take a quick peek at the right.... =)

ChevronTexaco's Second-Quarter Profit Rises
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: July 30, 2004


Filed at 8:56 p.m. ET

SAN RAMON, Calif. (AP) -- ChevronTexaco Corp.'s second-quarter profit more than doubled as high energy prices extended a recent roll that is shaping into the most prosperous stretch in the oil giant's 125-year history.

The San Ramon-based company said Friday that it earned $4.13 billion, or $3.88 per share, for the three months ended in June compared with $1.6 billion, or $1.50 per share, a year earlier. It represented the largest three-month profit that the company has recorded since its formation in 1879.


.... rest of article can be found here....

http://nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Earns-ChevronTexaco.html


.. you can see exactly what it costs to wage war on this page....

http://costofwar.com/


i have just one question... Do you guys see the giant elephant thats sitting in your living room? dont some of the allegations against the current administration concern any one?

okay. thanks for your time all


Good luck !


TT =)

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The results included a $585 million gain from the company's sale of some Canadian assets and a $255 million benefit from changes in income tax laws governing some of ChevronTexaco's international operations.

[RogerL]

i have just one question... Do you guys see the giant elephant thats sitting in your living room? dont some of the allegations against the current administration concern any one?

Why should they? Invariably, they're proven to be wrong. Leftists such as Michael Isikof, Christopher Hitchens, and Ed Koch, have pretty much proven that Michael Moore's movie is a pack of lies. Does anyone really believe Iraq was all sunshine and kite-flying with Saddam in power?

He even had to manipulate a headline of a pro-Gore newspaper to try to "prove" Al Gore won the 2000 election when every single survey done after the elections proved that Bush won Florida under every recount scenario but one, that being double-punched ballots all went to Gore (that scenario is not done in any precinct in the entire country since there's no way to prove intent), including double-punched Bush-Gore ballots. And even then, Gore would only win by 51 votes. Don't forget that Democratic operative Bob Beckel determined that Bush lost between 10,000-15,000 votes in the Panhandle because of the networks' erroneous call on Florida before the polls closed.

The 9/11 Commission and Richard Clarke exploded his conspiracy theory that the bin Laden family was permitted to leave with White House approval without questioning by the FBI. Clarke complained that Moore knew the real story that HE personally approved the flights without informing any higher-ups AFTER the FBI had interviewed everyone they wanted to and AFTER the flight bans had been revoked but chose to put a false story in his movie.

All those things about Carlyle Group and the Saudi royal family and the pipeline in Afghanistan pursued by Shell Oil were proven to be false because neither H.W. nor W Bush worked for them when any of those situations occurred.

Other detractors, i.e. liars, such as Joe Wilson and Richard Clarke, have been discredited, Clarke with his own previous words which directly contradicted what he said in his book and in his public testimony, and Wilson by the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Butler Commission in the UK (the claim of Iraq trying to obtain yellow cake uranium from Africa was "well founded"). Even Kerry, behind the scenes, rerouted Wilson's Kerry-funded website to point to his own and without fanfare removed Wilson's name from the list of his advisors.

As for Bush lying about the faulty intelligence, the Senate Intelligence Committee exonerated him on that score. Personally, I don't think the intelligence was faulty because we have discovered at least 35 WMD's and UNMOVIC believes the weapons were moved to Syria and other parts of Europe and the Middle East after discovery of weapons parts in the Netherlands and Jordan, plus numerous satellite photographs of vehicles allegedly carrying the WMD's to Syria. Out-of-date would be more like it than faulty since all that was done in the run-up to war during the 14 months we spent wasting our time at the UN. Anyone think 14 months is "rushing to war?"

Any other silly conspiracy theories I haven't debunked yet? There are so many out there that Oliver Stone would have a field day. But the new king of conspiracy theories is Michael Moore. If he wins an Academy Award for best documentary, when it should be best propaganda since a documentary has to be based on truth, I'll personally boycott all future viewing of those awards from now on. Yeah, I know, big deal.

I would be worrying more about Kerry's association with the liar, Joe Wilson, and Sandy Burglar, uh-hem, Berger. The newspapers went from calling Berger a key player on Kerry's foreign policy team to an informal advisor.

[RET]

Neither side is perfect, but I'll tell you . . . I'd be very fearful of all that can happen if Kerry & Edwards take office! Don't EVEN get me started on that! :no:

[Psycho for Dinar]

Maybe I was mistaken but isn't part of the focus of the Democrats to bring back ties with allies that we have pi_ _ _ _ off? Kerry's doin a great job already!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=28&u=/nm/20040730/pl_nm/campaign_saudi_kerry_dc

[Psycho for Dinar]

Here's a very good site about our "War Hero" Kerry! :lmao:
http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php?story=20040629220813790

[TwoTone]

.... And here is one of our current president.
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=163


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[Blake]

To me it is so obvious they know they are on the wrong side of the war on terror, and desperately trying to make up ground. How weak? If this election is within 4 points I will be shocked.I'll take that bet. I'm not saying Kerry walks on water or that I'm in love with the man to say the least, but I will definitely take any action on that bet about how the Election will turn out or how close it will or won't be.

[RogerL]

.... And here is one of our current president.
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=163


TT

All the pay records did was show that he was not where he said he wouldn't be. The article is fatally flawed because it takes for granted that Bush did not serve in Alabama, which is utter nonsense.

A few months ago, the White House produced dental records to show that he *DID* serve his duty in Alabama. There were at least two of his fellow aviators who swore he was there. What did the Democrats have to say about it?

"All that proved was that his teeth were there."

Seriously. The Democrats actually said that. Just shows that Democrats are so desperate for power that they will do anything to destroy the commander-in-chief in a time of war.

[Psycho for Dinar]

When a person currently looks at a Presidential nominee they are not looking for the "Honest Man". Fact is, we all know that doesnt' exist. An honest politician...yah right!!! What the public is looking for these days is the lesser of two evils and as for me at the present time: Who will be the man to get the job done in Iraq so I can cash in! :D

[TwoTone]

When one is on military duty somewhere, a whole lot of paperwork follows you. there is evaluation reports filed once a year at the very least. and when some ones tour of duty is over they are given an award. even the biggest rag bags get an award when departing a unit. what also follows is your medical records. while no one denies that Bush was ever in the national guard ( for a champagne unit *), they are saying that they cant prove that he did any time in Alabama since there is no records there except his dental records, which probably followed him from the texas national guard.


TT


* a champagne unit was a unit that the sons of prominent politicians were assigned to so that they would not have to serve in Vietnam. Instead they had the much more honorable duty of Defending the gulf of mexico.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Another Kerry update....if your interested?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5836989 :confused:

[TwoTone]

dirty tactics....

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407300003


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[RogerL]

dirty tactics....

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407300003


TT

And their proof of this being a dirty trick is...?

Seems arresting this guy wouldn't change anybody's vote since the vast majority would say, "Who?"

The only HVT that would matter would be al-Zarqawi, al-Zawahiri, or bin Laden. Anyone else would get a collective yawn even among the president's supporters no matter how important this guy seems to be in reality.

That's one of the serious problems with the Democratic Party. Arrest anyone important and it's met with, "it's just to make Bush look good." That's what they said about arresting Saddam. If and when we catch bin Laden, they'll say exactly the same thing. They can't believe anyone would actually be interested in protecting this country without political calculation.

When Saddam was arrested, while most of the country was celebrating, the Democrats were making the circuit of the talk shows saying it didn't matter and that the timing was suspicious, not that it was a good thing we caught him.

[TwoTone]

its dirty that they make a point to tell other people to make sure that they catch bad guys on the exact date of the DNC so as to steal the spotlight..... thats all i was saying. i was not implying that saddams capture was not a good thing...let the concience go man =)


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[RogerL]

its dirty that they make a point to tell other people to make sure that they catch bad guys on the exact date of the DNC so as to steal the spotlight..... thats all i was saying. i was not implying that saddams capture was not a good thing...let the concience go man =)

TT

Oh, okay. If it's true, and we don't know it is, then it isn't a smart thing to do. np. :wave:

[Northof48]

Marilyn,

Have you heard of Tammy Bruce? You will love her.
I discovered her show after reading her 2 bestsellers, THE NEW THOUGHT POLICE And DEATH OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

Shes former head of NOW in LA.
I would have never picked up her books had I not happened onto her interview on radio.

She takes a person inside the left like no other. Check her out.
Tell me what you think.

[Northof48]

Scroll down to mid page...look for the football test
www.tammybruce.com

[Psycho for Dinar]

There has been a lil talk as far as the staging of making arrests. Kinda makes me laugh....I've been predicting Osama being captured towards the end of October.....maybe I'll put Zarqawi on that list.

Northo...Had to laugh at the link man, I just saw on TV when Kerry was throwing out the first pitch....guess the man isn't the most athletic dude on the block!

[Psycho for Dinar]

I saw one morning on Fox that he spent time in a Pakistani hospital. Five major doctors in the region were brought in and he spent a week in there after which he returned to a safehouse in ??? can't remember! I believe it was one of the doctors that they were interviewing. Did anyone else pick up on that or have any more information regarding the validity??

[TwoTone]

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/32301.php

.... here they are in a Republican State...

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[iraqidinar2005]

All the pay records did was show that he was not where he said he wouldn't be. The article is fatally flawed because it takes for granted that Bush did not serve in Alabama, which is utter nonsense.

A few months ago, the White House produced dental records to show that he *DID* serve his duty in Alabama. There were at least two of his fellow aviators who swore he was there. What did the Democrats have to say about it?

"All that proved was that his teeth were there."

Seriously. The Democrats actually said that. Just shows that Democrats are so desperate for power that they will do anything to destroy the commander-in-chief in a time of war.

RogerL - You should be a mainstream newspaper/magazine journalist! That is the first I have heard of that and I wish that information, if obtained via a "legitamate source" (as they seem to say in the buisness, errrr...movies anyway), was published more thouroughly (?, Do we have spell check here). Thanks for the info. Will research that one in a bit.

EW

[iraqidinar2005]

I am out here, subjected to CNN everyday and I have never heard of such rumours about Osama being sick or in a hospital...Not since the early days of OEF when speculation was aplenty. Are you serious? A doctor was interviewed as having cared for him? What time frame was this? Did the Doc appear to be looking for his 10 minutes of fame or did anyone hear anything further as to what the interigators debriefing him found out?

Just curious...

[TwoTone]

I agree, RogerL would be and excellent journalist. He would fit right in with the rest of them ( i.e FOX. ABC, NBC, CNN, CNN, CNN . ( Did I mention CNN? )

Undoubtedly, I really respect RogerL and and everything he stands for. It is all of our rights to believe in what our heart feels is right. RogerL has a way with words that most don't possess and he is able to express his veiws and has undeniably changed how some people who read this message board view the current global situation. While we obviously don't see eye to eye RogerL, i really hope that what i say does not strike you on a personal level. If so please let me know and i will be more than happy to take my leftist views elsewhere.....



that being said.... =)

RIO RANCHO, N.M. -- Some Democrats who signed up to hear Vice President Dick Cheney speak Saturday were refused tickets unless they signed a pledge to endorse President Bush.

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20040731-149566.shtml


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[Psycho for Dinar]

I agree, RogerL would be and excellent journalist. He would fit right in with the rest of them ( i.e FOX. ABC, NBC, CNN, CNN, CNN . ( Did I mention CNN? )

Undoubtedly, I really respect RogerL and and everything he stands for. It is all of our rights to believe in what our heart feels is right. RogerL has a way with words that most don't possess and he is able to express his veiws and has undeniably changed how some people who read this message board view the current global situation. While we obviously don't see eye to eye RogerL, i really hope that what i say does not strike you on a personal level. If so please let me know and i will be more than happy to take my leftist views elsewhere.....



that being said.... =)

RIO RANCHO, N.M. -- Some Democrats who signed up to hear Vice President Dick Cheney speak Saturday were refused tickets unless they signed a pledge to endorse President Bush.

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20040731-149566.shtml


TT

Thats strange, I guess even Michael Moore had an invite....imagine that!!!

[RogerL]

I agree, RogerL would be and excellent journalist. He would fit right in with the rest of them ( i.e FOX. ABC, NBC, CNN, CNN, CNN . ( Did I mention CNN? ) Eek. Mainstream journalist? No way. I'd feel too lonely with only those other 7% of journalists who are conservative to keep me company. ;)

And CNN! Definitely not the place to go. Don't want to be a token conservative. I think the whole network has Bob Novak and Tucker Carlson and that's it.

While we obviously don't see eye to eye RogerL, i really hope that what i say does not strike you on a personal level. If so please let me know and i will be more than happy to take my leftist views elsewhere..... I don't take it personally. I love a good political debate and could do it for hours. As for taking your views elsewhere, we want everybody who's interested in dinar to stay and post. What's the fun in preaching to the choir? ;)

Oh and thanks for the compliment on eloquence. I'm actually a left-brained engineer, so it's a little odd to me to be thought of that way.

[CAP]

Good Grief Charley Brown! I missed some excellent political satire while away on vacation in the mountains.

RogerL, you are informed.

Two Tone, do you belive Bill CLinton was a liar?

:confused:

[Marilyn]

Checked out Tammy Bruce.... ouch !

This looks like a fun read though ...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0761517855.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Marilyn]

How can you guys compare cnn and fox. cnn and msnbc are clearly slanted to the left... :rolleye03

[Marilyn]

Hope you had a great vacation ! I love the mountains. :D

[Blake]

How can you guys compare cnn and fox. cnn and msnbc are clearly slanted to the left... :rolleye03And FoxNews is so fair and balanced.:lmao:

In my opinion, they're all clearly slanted in a direction, be it right or left.

Integrity is completely lost in the Media Industry due to an insatiable quest for ratings. It's sad.

[Marilyn]

Yea, Fox is clearly leaning on the right.

You know what they say, if it bleeds , it leads. I heard Geraldo say that...

[TwoTone]

Good Grief Charley Brown! I missed some excellent political satire while away on vacation in the mountains.

RogerL, you are informed.

Two Tone, do you belive Bill CLinton was a liar?

:confused:


Bill Clinton did lie, as did George Bush Sr. as did Reagan, as did every president dating back to the 1800's. But i think i choose to direct all my hatred towards Dubya right now cause it was when he came into office that i started to become more politically aware. And I would have to say that , in my opinion, his performance and his prior performances as Governor, CEO of corporations, and as a member of a board at The Carlyle Group has been much less than phenomenal.... but yes... i do think clinton was aliar. but he did not tell the lies that cost america almost 1000 of its kids ( so far ).



TT

[TwoTone]

....speaking of fox.... i noticed how ( conveniently ) they starting telling all the stories of the people who got tortured by sadam, and lived.... great time to begin the brain washing...right as Bush's ratings continue to sour...


way to go FOX



TT

[danpeg]

Sorry everyone. I am closing this thread. As noted before - non-dinar politics are not encouraged on this forum.

Thanks!

Dan