Selling Warka info?

[joec]

Has anyone seen the ads on ebay for someone selling information on how to get a bank account up and started in Iraq? The prices start at $9.99 and have been selling like hotcakes.

I SURELY hope that it isn't someone on this forum who is so desparate as to charge people for info that has been so kindly provided to THEM for absolutely no cost.

Shame shame shame! :crying:

[joec]

There is also someone out there trying to sell info on where to get 1 million dinars for $685. I bet it is just a text file that says "fly to Iraq" or something lame along those lines.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4369&item=5712913617&rd=1

Some people...I tell ya.

[heather]

How absoultly horriable that is for people to do that .... Especially when its free here!!!

[Marilyn]

Poo, we should've thought of it first. Could've funded the forum with all of our advice.. hehe

[Psycho for Dinar]

Do they show what state they ship out of...bet it's Minnisota. Vikings are cheatin again! :lmao:

[iraqidinar2005]

I say we offer it on Ebay for free!!! LOL

[iraqidinar2005]

joec - I didn't see anything after searching Ebay.

[minigirl]

Do they show what state they ship out of...bet it's Minnisota. Vikings are cheatin again! :lmao:

:no: it's Minnesota Psycho! You live next door and can't spell it? I can spell Menomonie and Oconomowoc! :D hehe just teasing, but hey, you picked on the Vikes... I can't keep my big fat mouth shut, doncha know?!

[BRYAN]

THE INFOMATION WILL BE JUST THAT , PROBLEY INFORMATION ABOUT OPENING A BANK ACCOUNT AND WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THE INFO FROM IS ANYONE'S GUESS . I knew it would only be a short while before things like this start to appear ! Information on this subject shouldn't be exclusive thru payment . Dan had felt this way that is why we have this forum , HAs anyone asked the seller the question or told him that we already know and why is he charging a fee when this person has no right's to sell the info he recieved , Just like us we researched it and found what we needed . And passed this info on at no charge . :( :( :( We can pull the rug out by selling our info for buy it now for 1 cent

[BRYAN]

There is also someone out there trying to sell info on where to get 1 million dinars for $685. I bet it is just a text file that says "fly to Iraq" or something lame along those lines.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4369&item=5712913617&rd=1

Some people...I tell ya.
He dosen't have a space to ask seller questions and this is his/her first time selling anything ! But 9.99 plus a 4.99 transaction fee for an e-mail message !! Come on what is this person tring to pull off :mad: . It was a 3 day listing ending today !!!

[iraqidinar2005]

Will write them when I get home...

Items oclogin is selling on Ebay (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=oclogin&completed=0&sort=3&since=-1)

Contact oclogin or Leave Feedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=oclogin&iid=5712913617)

[danpeg]

Dear Everyone,

I went to the eBay auction and found it hilarious. Especially:

Access to a private Iraqi Investors and Business forum. This forum contains the most up to date information on investing in Iraq, the Iraq Stock Exchange and the Iraqi Dinar. Join a group of elite investors that are SAFELY investing in Iraq's growing economy. How flattering!

Some of you seem to be discontent. This shouldn't hurt your feelings. The guy is just a good entrepreneur/opportunitist. He is doing information arbitrage, which is perfectly legal and a pillar of capitalism. His problem, however, is that his marginal cost per sale is almost 0 and as competitors enter the market he will have to lower his prices until they get to 1 cent - at which point it won't be worth it.

This will last a couple of more days and he would have made $100-$200:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=oclogin&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

The bottom line of this is that some of our readers have actually paid to read our threads. If they really want to spend money, they should buy dinars through the forum and help us survive, and not our eBay fan ;).

Thanks,

Dan

[danpeg]

By the way, if you really want to cut this guy - one of you could sell this info for 1 cent.

[Jared]

He is doing information arbitrage, which is perfectly legal and a pillar of capitalism.

Actually Dan there is a fine line between information arbitrage (IA) and intellectual property (IP). IA can use ideas and forms of information but cannot violate the structure of the information, that is protected under WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization).

If we say the dinar will open at .31, then he can sell that under IA to a world of people that have no idea about the dinars future value. But if he defines all the reasons that we have stated as to why it will hit .31 then he has violated our IP of this forum. That is where he needs to ask permission before he can use that information. There's many hairs that can be split on this, but the likelyhood of one person amassing the same information that is contained in this forum would be slim to none.

I may have to buy one of those to see what this clown is up to.

Jared :wave:

[heather]

:confused: I was wondering what info he may have that we didn't or if it is the exact info we have

[danpeg]

Jared, thank you for explaining the difference... I am not sure to what extent his information is taken from outside sources (e.g. us). I am also curious to know exactly what info he is sharing.

My guess

He sends an long email with:


A copy of bkewl's post: http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=244
A link to this forum.
A link to this page: http://www.cpa-iraq.org/economy/iraq_private_banks.html
And more valuable threads that he found on the forum.
All packaged in a nice, professional looking e-mail.



Dan

[BRYAN]

By the way, if you really want to cut this guy - one of you could sell this info for 1 cent.
DAN I DID THIS THIS MORNING : Item number: 5713694421
15 people looked at it and I sent 3 over this afternoon . I can not believe this is the person 1st ebay item for sale and trying to make something off of this forum !! Dan if you do not approve i'll remove the item .

[danpeg]

Looks good Bryan. The other guy won't survive.

Make sure that what you say on the auction is allowed by eBay.

[minigirl]

Good Work! :) Looks like you got a bid too! heh

[Aunt Gwennie]

Looks good Bryan. The other guy won't survive.

Make sure that what you say on the auction is allowed by eBay.

Well Guys!!!! YOU DONE GOOD!!! You put this guy right out business, however there were 3 unsuspecting people that got taken by this person. Seems he got a whole $44.98 before ebay gave him the boot!!!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=oclogin&item=-1&frompage=222

That's the link to his feedback page. If you go to the other link listed above earlier in another post.....he's out of bidness!!

Obviously the people that did purchase his info andd were given this website for their info....found this thread..

NOT TO WORRY FOLKS.....if you purchased your info about this forum from the person on ebay....we welcome you with open arms. We're glad you found this group of amazing people and you will not find another forum anywhere on this issue that is filled with such a wealth of info. AIN'T THAT RIGHT EVERYONE??? Anywho....here's a big ole Texas wave to 'ya and welcome aboard!! :wave:

Aunt G

[dinarinfo]

I appreciate your guys efforts to help users avoid scams, but there is no scam here.

I have been collecting information on investing in iraq's economy since the end of the "war".

I realized people could use the information I collected and decided to sell it.

The prices is minimal and aimed towards people who dont have time or even know how to find this information. In almost all cases, people bid considerably higher than my low starting bid rate.

One of the key reasons I decided to sell it was that ALL of the hisorical dinar exchange rates being quoted by sellers are 100% wrong.

My report is over 300 pages from MANY, MANY sources.

My report doesn't have references to or from this site or links to this site. In fact, its impossible to even find this site in search engines when TRYING to find it. So I don't know how you think I copied your info. This info has been available FOREVER to anyone that has good search engine skills. But as I said, this site is no where to be found.

Dan sent me a message via ebay and I responded with this:

Dear webshrink,

Dan, I've been gathering my research for over a year and recently decided to sell it because of the false information that is being spread. You're site, which I just looked at, is less than a month old: I gathered my information from MANY sites, over 100s of hours. My price is perfectly fair for those that don't have the time to even browse a forum, let alone do the actual research. I have been in direct contact with most of the banks for some time, and much of my information was gathered that way. I haven't had time to look and determine if any of my information replicates your site. If however you feel that way(despite the fact that I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO LEGAL OBLIGATION to do so) I will consider changing or removing items that you dispute from my report. I'm not trying to rip anyone off and have had nothing but glowing responses. BTW, after briefly browsing your site, I found some of the same false information I'm attempting to counter.

[Blake]

I appreciate your guys efforts to help users avoid scams, but there is no scam here.

I have been collecting information on investing in iraq's economy since the end of the "war".

I realized people could use the information I collected and decided to sell it.

The prices is minimal and aimed towards people who dont have time or even know how to find this information. In almost all cases, people bid considerably higher than my low starting bid rate.

One of the key reasons I decided to sell it was that ALL of the hisorical dinar exchange rates being quoted by sellers are 100% wrong.

My report is over 300 pages from MANY, MANY sources.

My report doesn't have references to or from this site or links to this site. In fact, its impossible to even find this site in search engines when TRYING to find it. So I don't know how you think I copied your info. This info has been available FOREVER to anyone that has good search engine skills. But as I said, this site is no where to be found.

Dan sent me a message via ebay and I responded with this:

Dear webshrink,

Dan, I've been gathering my research for over a year and recently decided to sell it because of the false information that is being spread. You're site, which I just looked at, is less than a month old: I gathered my information from MANY sites, over 100s of hours. My price is perfectly fair for those that don't have the time to even browse a forum, let alone do the actual research. I have been in direct contact with most of the banks for some time, and much of my information was gathered that way. I haven't had time to look and determine if any of my information replicates your site. If however you feel that way(despite the fact that I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO LEGAL OBLIGATION to do so) I will consider changing or removing items that you dispute from my report. I'm not trying to rip anyone off and have had nothing but glowing responses. BTW, after briefly browsing your site, I found some of the same false information I'm attempting to counter.Well, I guess the issue is moot now that you are no longer a registered user on Ebay.

[dinarinfo]

I may go back to selling them again, I may not ... a few people are interested in re-selling them.

We'll see what happens.

[Blake]

I may go back to selling them again, I may not ... a few people are interested in re-selling them.

We'll see what happens.Mind explaining then why you became an unregistered user so quickly after this incident? Some of us are experienced Ebayer's and know that doesn't happen overnight by chance/coincidence.

[dinarinfo]

I was posting more than 10 identical items and the warning email got lost in all the email I receive ... I have been on ebay forever and had no clue this was against their policy...oh well

this was just an experiment....wasnt even expecting it to get this much notice or sell as many. And believe it or not, it's a pain in the butt to handle multiple item sales like this, ebay's back end really is junk.

That's why I added the $4.99...I was spending hours encrypting the PDFs, re-sending bounced PDFs(its about 5MBs).

[Blake]

I was posting more than 10 identical items and the warning email got lost in all the email I receive ... I have been on ebay forever and had no clue this was against their policy...oh wellYet you have a grand total of 3 feedback responses, ALL from the past month and.....

Member since: Jul-17-04 Sorry if I doubt your explanantion.

[dinarinfo]

That's cool...you asked, I answered.

I sold 100+ and was listing about 70 at a time...I guess they consider that spamming the category. :)

[Blake]

So...."being on ebay forever" constitutes being a member for 3 weeks?

[dinarinfo]

I've used ebay since its inception.

[Blake]

I've used ebay since its inception.Yet EBay records show you've only been a member for 3 weeks. E-X-P-L-A-I-N.

Why do you make me drag this out with every point by responding in such piecemeal fashion? Jesus.

[dinarinfo]

explain what? Obviously, it's a new user account, my other account is thru my corp.

[Blake]

explain what? Obviously, it's a new user account, my other account is thru my corp.And we were already supposed to have known that through.....osmosis?

What's your corporation's Ebay userID?

[danpeg]

That "dan" isn't me.

[BRYAN]

1 cent is what I get paid for my time to HELP !!!! . People do have the time to look you said so yourself . Convert what ??? I gave the link Took a total of 3 minutes and already sent over 8 new people to our forum. I don't think that it is fair to SELL any FREE INFO ANYWHERE , it's not right ( GROSS CAPITALIZM ) .JUst because they don't have the time they should be charged ??? The people that are exploring the dinar ride do so because they want to . Yes the information can be found by anyone , but when you sell it after you got the info for free seems fishy . Don't ya think ??? Maney people spend 3 plus hours a day looking for info to post to share with others. I asked the about the same time dan said that someone should do it . I get pinched on e-bay at times and it dosen't feel good . I feel that posting free info for a profit is not truthful .

[danpeg]

And enough already. Whether or not you sent a link to this website, you are not on eBay anymore. I am closing the thread as the issue is settled.

Dan