Why Are the Democrats Doing This?

[Joel57]

I don't know how many of you have read this blog before, but I have been for about a year.....anyway, excellent writing from iraqis in iraq.


Why Are the Democrats Doing This?
Instead of trying to come up with ideas to help they try to halt the sincere effort to stabilize Iraq and rescue the Middle East from a catastrophe.

I am Iraqi and to me the possible consequences of this vote are terrifying. Just as we began to see signs of progress in my country the democrats come and say ‘well, it’s not worth it, so it’s time to leave’.
Evidently to them my life and the lives of twenty five million Iraqis are not worth trying for and they shouldn’t expect us to be grateful for this.

For four years everybody made mistakes; the administration made mistakes and admitted them and my people and leaders made mistakes as well and we regret them.
But now we have a fresh start; a new strategy with new ideas and tactics reached after studying previous mistakes and designed to reverse the setbacks we witnessed in the course of this war.

This strategy although its tools are not fully deployed yet is showing promising signs of progress.
General Petraeus said yesterday that things will get tougher before they get easier in Iraq and this is the kind of fact-based realistic assessment of the situation which politicians should listen to when they discuss the war thousands of miles away.
We must give this effort the chance it deserves and provide all the support and constructive critique, not the ‘war is lost’ empty rhetoric.


http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

[Teslyn]

Why?

Because that's what they do. I wouldn't say historically, but recently (25yrs+).

If I was Iraqi I'd be damn scared too. Heck, I'm American and I'm scared.

[williambedloe]

I trace this new breed of Dem to Clinton. I still had some respect for old guard Dems...some really smart folks like Daniel Patrick Moynihan. This new breed of Dem is a recent addition to the political landscape, and is a repulsive, traitorous creature.

[carlos]

Joel157; Jup...I'm one of those monstrous creatures that my fellow forum members just spoke of. I'm a democrat. I hold my head high in pride of my personal beliefs and convictions.
I owe an apology to no one for my beliefs and am not posting this to subject myself to all the right wing extremists on this forum that would love to pounce on anyone with the courage to openly say that he is a democrat on this forum. I find these people opinionated and narrow minded, and full of themselves.
On the other hand, I write this because I have read many of your posts and have come to respect the person behind the screen-name. I believe that you are sincere and have provided me with many a good post to enjoy.
To make this as short as possible, I would like to answer your question by saying the following (regardless of who takes exception to my words) President Bush led the American people into this war by means of deceipt. He figured the American people could not ( and still have not ) been told of his true plan. The plan was to invade Iraq and accomplish several things. Establish a "democracy" in the middle east and eventually bring change to those neighboring countries. The war was also intended to free up all that Iraqi oil for the profit of the multinational oil cartels. There are also significant strategical and economic issues that are resolved by the move to war / occupation.
The average American and their polititians are just now beginning to realise that they have been deceived into war by their leader and there has been a backlash by the American people who still don't have the entire picture.
The average American sees the daily news and is shocked by the continued carnage and just wishes it to stop. The average American does not understand why Bush does not end our involvement in the war, by just pulling out.
I hope that this will help, and I look forward to your continued participation in this forum. Carlos

[Wolverine]

I feel so deceived....:crying: :crying: I'm gonna "pull out" of my oil cartel:crying:

[Wolverine]

actually I think I'll change that big white vinyl decal on my tinted back glass that has my family sir name on it to read:

"TEXAS OIL CARTEL
Support our Military and our mission !!"

I don't support abortion, don't abort missions and absolutely never pull out !!!
:wave:

[cowpoke]

Joel157; Jup...I'm one of those monstrous creatures that my fellow forum members just spoke of. I'm a democrat. I hold my head high in pride of my personal beliefs and convictions.

Yes You Are, I agree,:)

I owe an apology to no one for my beliefs and am not posting this to subject myself to all the right wing extremists on this forum that would love to pounce on anyone with the courage to openly say that he is a democrat on this forum. I find these people opinionated and narrow minded, and full of themselves.

So What your saying is, that you think that Communism/ Socialism is best because it speaks for all and eliminates free speech, opinion's and outright breeds ignorance.

On the other hand, I write this because I have read many of your posts and have come to respect the person behind the screen-name. I believe that you are sincere and have provided me with many a good post to enjoy.
To make this as short as possible, I would like to answer your question by saying the following (regardless of who takes exception to my words)

President Bush led the American people into this war by means of deceipt. He figured the American people could not ( and still have not ) been told of his true plan. The plan was to invade Iraq and accomplish several things. Establish a "democracy" in the middle east and eventually bring change to those neighboring countries. The war was also intended to free up all that Iraqi oil for the profit of the multinational oil cartels. There are also significant strategical and economic issues that are resolved by the move to war / occupation.

And you are 100% sure of all this and can back it up with proof I suppose, or did your clairvoyant tell you this?

The average American and their polititians are just now beginning to realise that they have been deceived into war by their leader and there has been a backlash by the American people who still don't have the entire picture.

The average American sees the daily news and is shocked by the continued carnage and just wishes it to stop.
Oh Really? Quite Frankly, I think there should be a bit more carnage against the pukes that are actually causing the trouble.

The average American does not understand why Bush does not end our involvement in the war, by just pulling out.

So What are you saying? You are so intellectually superior to the AVERAGE AMERICAN that you need to be here to enlighten us all?:rolleyes:

I hope that this will help, and I look forward to your continued participation in this forum. Carlos.

Carlos, the only thing this helps is to confirm that you have a severe mental disorder caused by Liberalism.:wave:

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[rykpa]

The "average American", in the eyes of you people has been deceived by the blatantly leftist lying media, in order to have their own selfish (DEM MOA) way.

IF you had any shame and integrity, you would apologize for your traitorous beliefs, but you won't. You people are a burden to me, my family and other producers in this country.

There is no cogent reason for the actions of the DEM's, none. They are simply arrogant and are blinded by your hatred for Mr. Bush and the hard working people of this country.

I hold your parents partially responsible for raising a failure like you. You are exactly what I try to steer my children away from being- a shallow, selfish and ugly failure.

You should be ashamed for your traitorous behavior and you should feel cheated by the lack of integrity of your parent(s).

And what's with the Joel quote? "157"? Do I need to correct that for you? That is the problem with you people. You do not even have the basic understanding of whatever you use to make an argument.

[rykpa]

He's saying that he knows nothing.

S/he has been "Ratherized" and is devoid of competent thought. And this is not an insult, it is simple fact.

Note the complete lack of fact. All emotion and the talking points that Springer, Kerry, Sharpton, et al inculcate the small-minded with.

In truth, it really is pathetic, those people.

[rykpa]

They are a lot most miserable and a bane on productive Americans.

[Joel57]

Joel157; Jup...I'm one of those monstrous creatures that my fellow forum members just spoke of. I'm a democrat. I hold my head high in pride of my personal beliefs and convictions.
I owe an apology to no one for my beliefs and am not posting this to subject myself to all the right wing extremists on this forum that would love to pounce on anyone with the courage to openly say that he is a democrat on this forum. I find these people opinionated and narrow minded, and full of themselves.
On the other hand, I write this because I have read many of your posts and have come to respect the person behind the screen-name. I believe that you are sincere and have provided me with many a good post to enjoy.
To make this as short as possible, I would like to answer your question by saying the following (regardless of who takes exception to my words) President Bush led the American people into this war by means of deceipt. He figured the American people could not ( and still have not ) been told of his true plan. The plan was to invade Iraq and accomplish several things. Establish a "democracy" in the middle east and eventually bring change to those neighboring countries. The war was also intended to free up all that Iraqi oil for the profit of the multinational oil cartels. There are also significant strategical and economic issues that are resolved by the move to war / occupation.
The average American and their polititians are just now beginning to realise that they have been deceived into war by their leader and there has been a backlash by the American people who still don't have the entire picture.
The average American sees the daily news and is shocked by the continued carnage and just wishes it to stop. The average American does not understand why Bush does not end our involvement in the war, by just pulling out.
I hope that this will help, and I look forward to your continued participation in this forum. Carlos

Carlos, I respect any man who has the b@!!$ to stick to his beliefs, and I ask for, nor expect any apologies. I do need to point out that you seem to have missed something. I did not pose the question, nor offer comment. Rather, an iraqi posed the question and offered comment.

So, I'm not sure you actually read the article at length, but it was written by someone living with the "carnage", and doesn't need to rely on our ever so reliable (and unbiased, I might add) MSM. Please do take the time to read the article, as it may offer you a view from the other side of this.

Regardless of how, or why we are now in iraq, right or wrong aside, the fact remains, we are there. I remain perplexed by those who advocate just pulling out.....and what shall we say to the iraqis.....Good luck?

While I'm not going to get into the possible repercussions of a destabilized Iraq and what might become of the region. I'll simply say that IMO, we must finish what we started, if for no other reason than it's the right thing to do morally.

Peace out
Joel

[williambedloe]

Joel157; Jup...I'm one of those monstrous creatures that my fellow forum members just spoke of. I'm a democrat. I hold my head high in pride of my personal beliefs and convictions.
I owe an apology to no one for my beliefs and am not posting this to subject myself to all the right wing extremists on this forum that would love to pounce on anyone with the courage to openly say that he is a democrat on this forum. I find these people opinionated and narrow minded, and full of themselves.
On the other hand, I write this because I have read many of your posts and have come to respect the person behind the screen-name. I believe that you are sincere and have provided me with many a good post to enjoy.
To make this as short as possible, I would like to answer your question by saying the following (regardless of who takes exception to my words) President Bush led the American people into this war by means of deceipt. He figured the American people could not ( and still have not ) been told of his true plan. The plan was to invade Iraq and accomplish several things. Establish a "democracy" in the middle east and eventually bring change to those neighboring countries. The war was also intended to free up all that Iraqi oil for the profit of the multinational oil cartels. There are also significant strategical and economic issues that are resolved by the move to war / occupation.
The average American and their polititians are just now beginning to realise that they have been deceived into war by their leader and there has been a backlash by the American people who still don't have the entire picture.
The average American sees the daily news and is shocked by the continued carnage and just wishes it to stop. The average American does not understand why Bush does not end our involvement in the war, by just pulling out.
I hope that this will help, and I look forward to your continued participation in this forum. Carlos


It is obvious that you are refering to my post, though monstrous is not a word I used...that would incinuate that this creature invoked fear, which it does not. Of course, in true leftist fashion, you chose to focus on the words that supposedly "oppressed" you and "suppressed" your freedom to be who you are, none of which is the case. You completely ignored (again typical of the new breed of leftist, which I was describing) the fact that I expressed admiration for those who while on the other side of the political fence from me still engendered within me a sense of admiration for their smarts and ideals.

As for your view of what the average American thinks, this was obviously gleaned from polls and media reports, as there are many average Americans on this forum everyday who feel nothing like this, yet are soundly dismissed as right wing extremists by the likes of you.

[DealOrBuyDinar]

I trace this new breed of Dem to Clinton. I still had some respect for old guard Dems...some really smart folks like Daniel Patrick Moynihan. This new breed of Dem is a recent addition to the political landscape, and is a repulsive, traitorous creature.

This new breed of Democrat are the same people who were running around butt naked with flowers in their hair stoned out of their minds during the 60's movement. Now they are in power. They lost Vietnam and now they are determined to lose Iraq. By the way, the 80 million Vietnamese people still live under communism today because of that failure.

Why are they doing it? I think it's power. Their hypocrisy sickens me. This is the party that trumpets their support for the oppressed and the underprivledged. Yet they are willing to cut 25 MILLION people adrift into a turbulent and violent future. Pathetic. I can only hope that the Dems are presently sowing the seeds of their own destructions. I have a feeling the public outcry will come in '08. I can only hope.

Thanks for the post William. I think about standing face to face with that Iraqi gentlemen trying to explain why my country is doing this. Any explanation I could offer would be absurdly inadequate given the horrendous oppression and conflict these people have endured for the past 35 years.

[Nocturnal]

Once again we see the LIB DEMS screaming about the deception that BUSH created to go in to Iraq. Once again I will say that Most of the DEMS voted to go to war in Iraq. Once again I will say that if the DEMS are that easily fooled for a vote for war I certainly do not want to see them in the highest office in this land. If only the DEMS could listen to people outside of thier realm they might understand that not every AVERAGE AMERICAN wants a pull out or to just hand victory over to the terrorists. All you have to do is stand behind our troops and listen to the Iraqi's. But we know the reason behind the "war is lost " cowards uh I mean crowds. All you people want is to take power no matter how many people end up dead for you to get it. You want to turn this country into a socialist country where no AVERAGE AMERICAN has a voice. Instead of hiding behind the hate, the DEMS have for BUSH, why not show your true intentions with what you are planning for this country if indeed you do end up in the White House. GOD HELP US ALL IF THAT EVER HAPPENS

[everwiser]

How can you call an average of 3 U.S. service persons killed per day over a 4 year period "carnage"...Give me a break.

The people living in the "inner cities" that give the Democrats their largest voting sector kill each other daily to the tune of dozens a day. Why aren't the Dems fighting to end this "carnage"?

You can call Iraq lots of things but "carnage"? Does anyone remember the news footage of Vietnam? Does any remember their history of WWII? For Pete's sake! Carnage! Iraq is anything but "carnage".

[hammerhead]

Let's get a grip on the reality of the situation...The Dems have been out of control of this country since shortly after Reagn! this after a 40+ year rule, and you can see what shape our country was in before Reaganism(?).
This all started with Roosevelt, and his(DEM) manipulation of the laws of our land, including the effort on his part to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court. At that time our Court was a majority of Conservative Justices, his plan was to increase the number of Justices by two (appointed by him) to change the majority...all this to involve us in a war we did not wish to fight. Understand, I am not against the war in Europe, and would not oppose it if I were there at that time.
The point is, this was a beginning to the problem we have now. The Dems were in control as Viet Nam escalated, and tried to run the conflict from their offices in Washington...we all know what a mess that turned out to be!!!
Now they (Dems) are trying to pull the same crap today. For all you Vets out there, you know what it was like to come home to a country that spat on military people returning from The Nam for doing what they were ordered to! The difference is that most had no choice, they were drafted!!!
I, for one,can remember the years of recession being the topic of conversation, wages freezes, price freezes(months after the wage freeze). I saw a change from being able to buy a full cart of groceries for $25.00 and having enough to last until the next pay-day, to $25.00 not even filling the child seat.
The people that profited from Viet Nam were "big business", for all of you who think the Dems are for the "little man"!!! While I'm on the subject, how about "big business"? Where would we be without it? Digging your own potatoes for supper, raising your own beef, mama washing your laundry by hand, hitching the mule (or horse) for the weekly (Saturday) to the Mercantile and the kids getting some penny candy and thankful for that, no television to get biased reporting from...
The only way to get things straightened out is to send a message to our politicians (Republicans or Democrats) that we [U][B]WILL[B][U]take back control of our country, where an honest, hard working man has more privilege than the non-citizens, criminals, shysters and professional politicians.
carlos, I respect your opinions, as ignorant as I think they are, and will fight for your right to express them, even to my death!!! If the liberals continue this downward spiral of morality and justice, you will not have that right much longer, nor will I have the right to fight for your rights.
Sorry for the tirade, but carlos(a newbie on this forum) opened this can of worms by admitting his liberalism, therefore, I will exercise my right to disagree with his and, many mis-informed individuals out there.
Thanx for the time you have spent reading this, and I hope I haven't offended too many out there, maybe this was the wrong place, but I'm getting tired of political campaigning on, what has been until recently, an enjoyable forum to be involved in. Perhaps we need to remember why we are here...this is for investors to exchange information in a helpful manner, not whining and ing about our politicians, campaigning for our next president, or expressing your displeasure because you bought your dinars yesterday and you are not rich today. I wish they would hurry up, but I'm am enough of a realist to realize, these people are doing a pretty good job of creating a "new country" in a short time, aside from the fact, they are going to do things in their own good time, not on ours. Consider, these are a different mentality and have never(!!!) had the opportunities they are facing now. Stay in this for three years and then gripe!!!
Hammerhead