If you question why were are in Iraq

[bdstory]

If you question, watch this and it tells you:

http://kurdistannet.org/vido/midyaplyer1.htm


Very sick...

[Shau - Kenshin]

We konw why we are there.

OIL!

If they had none, I doubt we would have spent the money. Proof if my theory, "Hotel Rawanda" comes to mind.

[yunowu]

You got it SK !! IT IS OIL !!!!:wave:

[Okie]

Hope we don't have to do this....but it's a possibility.

Just remember....we didn't start this war!!

[DC]

If you question, watch this and it tells you:

http://kurdistannet.org/vido/midyaplyer1.htm


Very sick...


What a horrible sight...do you know the context of that (aside from the obvious). Were they criminals, hostages, soldiers?

[Nocturnal]

What a horrible sight...do you know the context of that (aside from the obvious). Were they criminals, hostages, soldiers?


They were people, of other religions, maybe some criminal, maybe infidal, but people, that didn't agree with the animals that MURDERED them. This is why we need to root out EVERY single one of them and lock them up never to be heard from again. I would have said kill them but that would put me in the same bracket as tham, shear ANIMALS, and besides if you lock them up you deprive them of their 72 Virgins awaiting them.

[Okie]

This was sent to me and I think it's very powerful "Are we fighting a
war on terror or aren't we"? Was it or was it not started by Islamic
people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ?

People from all over the world, mostly Americans, were brutally
murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac
from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania.
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated"
when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?
Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents
for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime
in Saudi Arabia.

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for
hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling
slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out
and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by
hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search
of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their
suicide bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead
of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up
an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest
assured that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told
not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the
bank that I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can
absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran"
and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you guessed
it - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !

[ksdunlap]

We konw why we are there.

OIL!

If they had none, I doubt we would have spent the money. Proof if my theory, "Hotel Rawanda" comes to mind.
Then why are we still in afghanistan they have no oil?

[TaRDy]

This was sent to me and I think it's very powerful "Are we fighting a
war on terror or aren't we"? Was it or was it not started by Islamic
people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ?
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That was a tasty midnight rant snack before i go to bed...thank you:happy64:

to add to it...we are in Iraq because Saddam had to be all badass and not let us inspect what was going on since he was threating the lives of many innocent people and has done so in the past...

Think of it this way, Saddam is a convicted killer who is somehow out of jail (or mayb just had prior gun charges) and the police pull him over, if he refuses to let them search the car/him dont you think the cops are going to think something is up?

I go by the saying "Better safe than sorry" now what if he HAD WMDs but it was the same circumstances as it was for this case, but this time, Bush doesnt do anything about it for fear of the American people disagreeing then suddenly Saddam unleashes these WMDs and everybody points the finger at Bush and blames him because he DIDNT do anything...sure we maybe could have had a "better" plan overall but who knew the insurgency would be so great who could have predicted that al quaeda (or however u spell it) would move into iraq to fight the Americans?

Just food for thought...

[SEABEE CAN-DO]

yep seen that crap in Somalia. killing kids and women was nothing.... guess what . the same religious beliefs ... yadda yadda. Sick.

[jbarnes]

Then why are we still in afghanistan they have no oil?

For this apparently...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_poppy

Because to date we STILL HAVE NOT found the man who "supposedly" took responsibility for the attacks on 9/11. Argue and get pissed all you want, but please tell me how we destroy a very wealthy regime (Saddam's) and take over their entire country, yet we still can't find one man. None of it makes sense and to be honest I'm tired of the excuses such as "the terrain" etc...

It's oil plain and simple for us invading Iraq, 9/11 was just an excuse to rally Americans behind his idea. Why we are still in Afghanistan is still a mystery because all thats happening is more soldiers are dying and our tax dollars are being sucked up.

Someone else mentioned too about the movie Hotel Rwanda... very good point. Algeria, Angola, Burundi, Congo-Brazzaville, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Liberia, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Sudan and Uganda all of these places have MAJOR problems, yet we stand by and let them kill each other daily. Want to know my opinion on why? I'll give it to you anyway... they have nothing to offer the USA aka "if it don't make dollars it don't make sense." Otherwise we would be there with our hands in the cookie jar. Maybe if GWB and company were diamond dealers we would be helping out. :shhh: I can't wait till 2008!

[Nocturnal]

For this apparently...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_poppy

Because to date we STILL HAVE NOT found the man who "supposedly" took responsibility for the attacks on 9/11. Argue and get pissed all you want, but please tell me how we destroy a very wealthy regime (Saddam's) and take over their entire country, yet we still can't find one man. None of it makes sense and to be honest I'm tired of the excuses such as "the terrain" etc...

It's oil plain and simple for us invading Iraq, 9/11 was just an excuse to rally Americans behind his idea. Why we are still in Afghanistan is still a mystery because all thats happening is more soldiers are dying and our tax dollars are being sucked up.

Someone else mentioned too about the movie Hotel Rwanda... very good point. Algeria, Angola, Burundi, Congo-Brazzaville, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Liberia, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Sudan and Uganda all of these places have MAJOR problems, yet we stand by and let them kill each other daily. Want to know my opinion on why? I'll give it to you anyway... they have nothing to offer the USA aka "if it don't make dollars it don't make sense." Otherwise we would be there with our hands in the cookie jar. Maybe if GWB and company were diamond dealers we would be helping out. :shhh: I can't wait till 2008!


Any of these places that you mention threatening the west? While bragging about having or manufacturing WMD? Just currious. Why is it so hard for you Libs to get a real grasp on what is really going on here? STOP believing everything that the Lib media shoves down your throat. Why not look at some of the good that is happening over there. Oh wait NOBODY is reporting it . Wake up Libs before you find the next terrorist act in your neck of the woods.

[Okie]

Hey gimme a break! We're in a war against Muslims who want to kill us....period. They started this war years ago and it won't finish until we've killed them all.

Besides....if we can invade Iraq, kill a bunch of radical Muslims and gain control of 300 billion barrels of oil....where in the hell is the downside to that situation!!

I worked in the Middle East for years and found the Muslims to be a rare breed of "ignorance and arrogance", which in today's world will get you killed in a heartbeat. Their kooky religious leaders are leading Muslims down a path of no return....and that will continue until their death.

[geowhiz]

Its a war against radical muslims and for a never-ending and controlled oil supply.

[SEABEE CAN-DO]

Sick Indeed But !

If we had videos of what goes on everyday in our Metro Hood's in the good ole USA, you would see very similiar scenes of gangs, thugs, and sick SOB's killing people randomly for Thrills / drugs / or Money. Nobody is crying out loud enough for our own Country !! We have enough SICK people right here in your backyard.
Let's not forget the USA has plenty of violence problems along with our Prosperity.


TRUE but.. most of the killings in the hood are gangs on gangs or close enough to the source. many people call the crowd control...

[Okie]

Its a war against radical muslims and for a never-ending and controlled oil supply.

Well said....short and to the point!

[jbarnes]

Any of these places that you mention threatening the west?

Nope, neither was Iraq.

While bragging about having or manufacturing WMD? Just currious.

Talk is cheap... there are ways to find information out before you spend millions and kill thousands by dropping bombs on people and invading their country. The UN tried to do their inspections and failed, so the next step was to cripple their country with SANCTIONS, NOT BOMBS. We went right to bombings because we were blood hungry for what happened on 9/11. Again, that's just our excuse to be over there (9/11) the agenda is OIL.

Why is it so hard for you Libs to get a real grasp on what is really going on here?

I do have a grasp, but I won't let my political views and affiliation blind me. Once again why is that everyone against the war has to be generalized as a LIB?

STOP believing everything that the Lib media shoves down your throat. Why not look at some of the good that is happening over there. Oh wait NOBODY is reporting it . Wake up Libs before you find the next terrorist act in your neck of the woods.

I don't watch FOX, MSNBC, ABC etc unless its about things that are in THE USA. I skip the World News portions. I do and I see pleanty of good, but again I know when to say when. It's been four years and counting and not much has changed besides the death count of our own and the Iraqis. It's time to let them sort it out themselves and find what's best for them.

[jbarnes]

Hey gimme a break! We're in a war against Muslims who want to kill us....period. They started this war years ago and it won't finish until we've killed them all.

Besides....if we can invade Iraq, kill a bunch of radical Muslims and gain control of 300 billion barrels of oil....where in the hell is the downside to that situation!!

I worked in the Middle East for years and found the Muslims to be a rare breed of "ignorance and arrogance", which in today's world will get you killed in a heartbeat. Their kooky religious leaders are leading Muslims down a path of no return....and that will continue until their death.

WOW, and you wonder why they don't want us over there. Read what you typed and then reverse the situation. Simple metaphor, I come into your house and kill your daughter and while I was at it your wife got in the way and had her leg and arm blown off, but she survived. Then I eat your food and tell you the new rules and how I want you to live. Would you not try and kill me if you had the chance? That's exactly what's going on in Iraq, in short and in a more complicated manner.

"Besides....if we can invade Iraq, kill a bunch of radical Muslims and gain control of 300 billion barrels of oil....where in the hell is the downside to that situation!!"

This part really killed me, and you have the nerve to call them ignorant and arrogant?

[redvette]

J. Barnes, sorry but I guess you never had a gun pointed at you.. Do you shoot first or take the bullet. These peopel run and hide they don't fight, they are cowards. We have wasted to much time to think that we could make them learn. If the money was revalued we might see some people going back to work and rebuilding Iraq. But you will also see the uneducated A%# holes still killing for no reason at all. WE have gone over there and have helped alot or Iraq people. Most of the so called insurgents are not even from there and or are just there to see the USA fail. They do not care about anything less then dying for their stupid beliefs of 72 virgins.....Yea right, I say bomb the snot out of them, then rebuild , show them what a nuke cane do. So Iran knows too, we mean biss.... Sorry but this is the way it is.:D

[jsimmy]

JBarnes, don't waste your effort with rational explanations on this board. You'll simply get labeled a Liberal and at one point, probably get called Un-American.

I mean, the 38% of Americans who approve of Bush's handling of this war are way smarter than the 62% of us who don't. Why can't you see that???

[Okie]

WOW, and you wonder why they don't want us over there. Read what you typed and then reverse the situation. Simple metaphor, I come into your house and kill your daughter and while I was at it your wife got in the way and had her leg and arm blown off, but she survived. Then I eat your food and tell you the new rules and how I want you to live. Would you not try and kill me if you had the chance? That's exactly what's going on in Iraq, in short and in a more complicated manner.

"Besides....if we can invade Iraq, kill a bunch of radical Muslims and gain control of 300 billion barrels of oil....where in the hell is the downside to that situation!!"

This part really killed me, and you have the nerve to call them ignorant and arrogant?

I believe you need to educate yourself on Islam, both long and short term history. We've already tried to leave them alone in hopes they would gain a better attitude towards the West...guess what?...it didn't work and they came to the US and knocked down the twin towers and killed thousands of people in the process. It’s very simple, they want to kill us because we don’t believe in Islam and refuse to bow down before Allah.

Now the US has vowed to maintain an offensive posture towards the Muslims and bring the battle to them and it's working great! Now, we identify every Muslim who stands up and declares he wants to kill Americans and sooner or later they go bye bye.

BTW, during the last twenty five years I’ve been attacked, with intent to kill, 388 times by your Muslim buddies (yes, I kept a record) using scuds, car bombs, poison, AK47’s, rockets, missiles and mortar rounds. And that was working as a civilian contractor…just imagine what our Military is going thru.

I keep an open mind on things like this. Maybe you can give us a plan on how to deal with people who want to kill us for unjustified reasons. I would love to hear it. But you sound like they’re justified in killing us….what’s your position on this!!

I've already seen one Liberal plan for ending the war (see photo) but I really don't think it will work!

[geowhiz]

As Ive stated before, if we would bring the military, the money spent, and the intelligence back into the USA and PATROL OUR BORDERS, and just give up caring about the rest of the stupid world, esp. ISRAEL, WE WOULD ALWAYS BE SAFE would live in no fear, and we would regain our once lofty status. Why do we continue to stick our noses in to places it doesnt belong!! Besides the oil of course. (Dont forget we have our own, Canada has its own, Mexico has its own. We dont need the Middle East). Nobody is ever going to nuke us besides those that hate us!! Republicans need to listen to smart people like Pat Buchanan for a change.

[Gluphus]

IMHO, we should just build 3 underground pipelines from Kirkuk and Anbar to Turkey.

Reinforce the pipeline with cement, UAVs and QRFs... in exchange, give Iraq what losing countries get in a battle...nothing. If we feel nice, we let them live.

Lets be honest, even us Amer-I-cans have limits. Who are we to think we change what has been going on for (greater than) 1300 years over there? I seem to recall the only one with any success in that area with God, with the flood and a tower...if they even shun that, its somewhat irrational to think they will find peace for a few bucks and a Sams club....

Sad to say, I think this Iraqi policy should be moved to containment and control, rather than rehabilitation. You can't rehabilitate people who never learned and you can't teach the unwilling...

[Okie]

IMHO, we should just build 3 underground pipelines from Kirkuk and Anbar to Turkey.

Reinforce the pipeline with cement, UAVs and QRFs... in exchange, give Iraq what losing countries get in a battle...nothing. If we feel nice, we let them live.

Lets be honest, even us Amer-I-cans have limits. Who are we to think we change what has been going on for (greater than) 1300 years over there? I seem to recall the only one with any success in that area with God, with the flood and a tower...if they even shun that, its somewhat irrational to think they will find peace for a few bucks and a Sams club....

Sad to say, I think this Iraqi policy should be moved to containment and control, rather than rehabilitation. You can't rehabilitate people who never learned and you can't teach the unwilling...

I like your ideas about the pipelines. There are two large pipelines, already built but never commissioned due to disputes, from Anbar to Yanbu, Saudi Arabia on the Red Sea. These pipelines were "mothballed" by a professional company so they should be in good shape.

[Nocturnal]

Any of these places that you mention threatening the west?

Nope, neither was Iraq.

While bragging about having or manufacturing WMD? Just currious.

Talk is cheap... there are ways to find information out before you spend millions and kill thousands by dropping bombs on people and invading their country. The UN tried to do their inspections and failed, so the next step was to cripple their country with SANCTIONS, NOT BOMBS. We went right to bombings because we were blood hungry for what happened on 9/11. Again, that's just our excuse to be over there (9/11) the agenda is OIL.

Why is it so hard for you Libs to get a real grasp on what is really going on here?

I do have a grasp, but I won't let my political views and affiliation blind me. Once again why is that everyone against the war has to be generalized as a LIB?

STOP believing everything that the Lib media shoves down your throat. Why not look at some of the good that is happening over there. Oh wait NOBODY is reporting it . Wake up Libs before you find the next terrorist act in your neck of the woods.

I don't watch FOX, MSNBC, ABC etc unless its about things that are in THE USA. I skip the World News portions. I do and I see pleanty of good, but again I know when to say when. It's been four years and counting and not much has changed besides the death count of our own and the Iraqis. It's time to let them sort it out themselves and find what's best for them.


AFTER 12 years of 17 sanctions and Saddam snubbing his nose at us and the rest of the UN we went to bombs. If you recall Iraq was a terrorist state as are most of the muslim countries over there, save for a few. This would be in my book a THREAT, after being attacked by terrorists time and time again and knowing that these terrorist's (is it still ok to call them terrorist's?) came from A part of the Middle East, Maybe not Iraq but Saddam was funding terrorist groups. So YES he was a threat.


I think we have let them try to sort it out for themselves for what 2000 years and in alowing them to "sort it out themselves" We here in the US lost some buildings. Remember. I think we lost buildings in Africa as well, I think some of our ships were bombed too. OH yeah we LOST ALOT OF AMERICANS in letting them sort it out themselves. Now we NEED to get it done our way.
Funny thing,,,,,, War,,,,,, people die! Its just real funny how everyone seems to know our body count, but no one knows the terrorist's body count, and as far as Iraqi's go, How do you know they weren't terrorist's?
Are the terrorist's now wearing a uniform? NO! they hit and run, and blend in with other Iraqi people, who obviously are not telling us WHO dunnit. So until the average innocent Iraqi lets us know who is the terrorist they will continue to run up thier body count. Let's not forget that our fighting men and women are doing their absolute best to keep "colateral damage" to an absolute minimum. Were as the terrorist's are blowing up who ever is in their way. Put the blame where it belongs.

[robione]

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest
assured that I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can
absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

Interesting law the Saudis have since people of the Book (Bible and Qur'an) all have a place in Islam (and no its not a negative position I just cant remember it atm).

Nice to see another Westerner imposing his beliefs and values as though they should be those of the whole world. Ya ever wonder why some people dont like us?

Like the US enough to have a flag in your house? How would you feel if someone took it off your wall and shoved it in the toilet or otherwise "mishandled" it? Even secular muslims have enough sense to know what the Qur'an represents and how to treat it. I bet more secular muslims know how to treat the Qur'an than Americans know how to properly treat the flag.

I'm with you on terrorists dying.... don't care much about that. They all can die.


I worked in the Middle East for years and found the Muslims to be a rare breed of "ignorance and arrogance", which in today's world will get you killed in a heartbeat. Their kooky religious leaders are leading Muslims down a path of no return....and that will continue until their death.

Who's the ignorant and arrogant one here? You ever smile and say "hi"? Ever pick up the Qur'an (or better yet, the Hadith) and try and understand where they come from? Amazingly when you take a little time to understand someone they tend to respect you more and are more open to you. Go figure.

I never had any problems with muslims. Although I do agree in part with your statement about imams/sheikhs (their priests)... but it goes beyond that. Some teachers in school interpret science through islam as well. Religion has gotta be taken out of science... that and more imams IMO should use islam as a set of guidelines instead of set-in-stone rules. Those two changes I think would go a long way by themselves. Go figure, some muslims even agree with me on those points.