US ordered assassinations, sectarian bomb attacks targeting Iraqi civilians?

[MidwestBoy]

US-ordered assassinations, sectarian bomb attacks targeting Iraqi civilians



http://heyetnet.org/en/content/view/490/27/


"An Iraqi who asked not to be identified had disclosed some of the US activities such as assassinations and bombings in markets that aim at sparking sectarian fighting among Iraqis so as to facilitate the partition of the country."


"The former collaborator said that the Americans have a unit for "dirty jobs." That unit is a mix of Iraqis, Americans, and foreigners and of the security detachments that are deployed in Baghdad and other Iraqi cities. This unit doesn’t only carry out assassinations, but some of them specialize in planting bombs and car bombs in neighborhoods and markets. This unit carries out operations in which wanted people whom the American army does not want killed are arrested.

The former collaborator said that "operations of planting car bombs and blowing up explosives in markets are carried out in various ways, the best-known and most famous among the US troops is placing a bomb inside cars as they are being searched at checkpoints. Another way is to put bombs in the cars during interrogations. After the desired person is summoned to one of the US bases, a bomb is place in his car and he is asked to drive to a police station or a marked for some purpose and there his car blows up."

"The testimony of the former collaborator is consistent with some western reports that have disclosed the involvement of US military personnel in bombings that target Iraqi civilians. The British reporter Robert Fisk, AMSI noted, had recently met with Iraqis in Syria concerning such "black operations" carried out by the Americans."

[oldskiier]

This doesn't even deserve a response !!!

[GeorgiaGal]

He asked not to be identified because he is LYING.

[COACH JACK]

How in the world does this make any sense? :no:

[97ChameleonTA]

News from Syria? Enough said.... :rolleyes:

[Garf]

Smells like $#!t to me !

[Nocturnal]

Well If anyone believes this shiite they are DUMBER than a brick. Here's the deal, All you Libs out there trying to put this whole war into some kinda bad light, have to remember that if we wanted to kill lots of Iraqi's, all we would have to do is get rid of some of the nukes we have here. What you Libs need to do is start supporting the troops you so desperately want to villinize. These troops are the same people that give you the right to go on national tv and bash our millitary, and our President. GET A CLUE.
I have an Idea, why not put an actual media in Iraq that will tell the truth of EVERYTHING that goes on over, there including the GOOD stuff that WE are doing in that country, instead of the lap dogs that are reporting for the LIBS now.

[rolenpujols]

NOC, couldn't have said it any better.....way to go....God bless our troops for the great job of keeping us a free and great country.

[Voyeur]

As was once said by another member of this forum, and I quote,

"EL TORRO DE POO POO". Voyeur.

[MidwestBoy]

He asked not to be identified because he is LYING.

How do you know?

[tmorr37]

How do you know?

Yeah it's all true midwestboy you live in the worst country in the world
save your money and grab a plane ticket out of here

[PraiseKingGeorge]

MidwestBoy,

On the weekend that we here in the Unites States are called upon to honor our fallen military heroes, this is what you have to offer???

Actually, this is to be fully expected from you.

[MidwestBoy]

How in the world does this make any sense? :no:


If the "sectarian violence" continues and Iraq totally breaks down the plans are there that would include a US or coalition take over of Iraq under military rule. And if we are in total control then that would mean that we would be in control of the whole country. And if we are in control of the whole country then that also goes for the commodities there. And guess what commodity the US would love to be in total control of that Iraq has???? Makes sense? Sure it does....;) Could this be why there is an expected push for 200,000 more troops in Iraq by the end of the year? Is Iraq going to collapse? Is this story true? Who knows.....:o

[MidwestBoy]

Yeah it's all true midwestboy you live in the worst country in the world
save your money and grab a plane ticket out of here

Why? My country was not founded to go into international wars. You need to do some reading on American history. I would just like my country to get back to the basics of why it was founded in the first place. Not as a world military police for democracy. Heck it is not even supposed to be a democracy but a Republic. ;) And who said this is the worst country in the world? :rolleyes:

[MidwestBoy]

Well If anyone believes this shiite they are DUMBER than a brick.

Oh like we have never killed civilians before. Ever hear of Hiroshima?

[DNote]

Midwest Boy,

As a 20 year retired veteran of the U.S. Army I would like to ask you what American soldier would do this? YOU should be ashamed of yourself for posting these remarks! To all the vets out there, have a great Memorial Day weekend and make a toast to all of your friends that are no longer with us. HoooahHH!!!

[MidwestBoy]

Midwest Boy,

As a 20 year retired veteran of the U.S. Army I would like to ask you what American soldier would do this? YOU should be ashamed of yourself for posting these remarks! To all the vets out there, have a great Memorial Day weekend and make a toast to all of your friends that are no longer with us. HoooahHH!!!


Probably the same type of soldier that would drop an A bomb on civilian targets like in WW II. Did I say ALL soldiers are involved? No. I have family that are in the military. And I respect that.

[DNote]

Probably the same type of soldier that would drop an A bomb on civilian targets like in WW II. Did I say ALL soldiers are involved? No. I have family that are in the military. And I respect that.

Bombing, targeting, and political techniques and methods have changed quite a bit since World War II. I and my fellow soldiers and vets do not have to answer in any way for what someone else did over 60 years ago. I feel insulted by your comments and I am sure I am not alone.

[graciewacies]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=heyetnet&tld=org

The entire site is run by some nut from Amman.
Even the organization he works for is just his name.

His phone number and address are on the whois page.
Why don't you call him up MidwestBoy and ask him if he
needs a roomate. Then you can finally shed yourself of
your evil American home. :rolleyes:

[frank a bouchet]

Anybody heard of Pearl Harbor-Japan declared war on US

[Rags to Riches]

Its one thing to post an artical like this to show that the enemy will say anything to bring more hatred towards the allied forces. Its another thing to support it, Midwest Boy you need to go to WAL-MART and buy some common sense. I wonder what MTB71 will say to this??

[MidwestBoy]

Its one thing to post an artical like this to show that the enemy will say anything to bring more hatred towards the allied forces. Its another thing to support it, Midwest Boy you need to go to WAL-MART and buy some common sense. I wonder what MTB71 will say to this??


I am just wondering if this is really true. How do you know? Obviously, as the article said, "British reporter Robert Fisk, AMSI noted, had recently met with Iraqis in Syria concerning such "black operations" carried out by the Americans."

So are you saying that renowned reporter Robert Fisk needs common sense? Obviously he thinks there is something to this. What about the two British troops that were arrested by Iraqi forces about a year and half ago and found to be dressed as Iraqi's and had guns and explosives inside an old beat up car????

[MidwestBoy]

Kidnap and torture: new claims of Army war crimes in Iraq


http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article2556468.ece


"The British Army is facing new allegations that it was involved in "forced disappearances", hostage-taking and torture of Iraqi civilians after the fall of the regime of Saddam Hussein.
One of the claims is made by the former chairman of the Red Crescent in Basra, who alleges he was beaten unconscious by British soldiers after they accused him of being a senior official in Saddam's Baath party."





Iraqi police detain two British soldiers in Basra

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-09/19/content_3514065.htm


BAGHDAD, Sept. 19 (Xinhuanet) -- Iraqi police detained two British soldiers in civilian clothes in the southern city Basra for firing on a police station on Monday, police said. "Two persons wearing Arab uniforms opened fire at a police station in Basra. A police patrol followed the attackers and captured them to discover they were two British soldiers," an Interior Ministry source told Xinhua.
The two soldiers were using a civilian car packed with explosives, the source said.
He added that the two were being interrogated in the police headquarters of Basra.
The British forces informed the Iraqi authorities that the two soldiers were performing an official duty, the source said. British military authorities said they could not confirm the incident but investigations were underway. Enditem







British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm

"British SAS were caught attempting to stage a terror attack and the media have dutifully shut up about the real questions surrounding the incident. What is admitted is that two British soldiers in Arab garb and head dress drove a car towards a group of Iraq police and began firing. According to the Basra governor Mohammed al-Waili, one policeman was shot dead and another was injured. Pictured below are the wigs and clothing that the soldiers were wearing.
The Arab garb is obviously undeniable proof that the operation, whatever its ultimate intention, was staged so that any eyewitnesses would believe it had been carried out by Iraqis.
This has all the indications of a frame up.
This is made all the more interesting by the fact that early reports cited as originating from BBC World Service radio stated that the car used contained explosives. Was this another staged car bombing intended to keep tensions high? As you will discover later, the plan to keep Iraq divided and in turmoil is an actual policy directive that spans back over two decades."

[AAD]

Smells like $#!t to me !

Oh I love it when you're blunt baby...LOL! :D

[itchibon]

Yeah it's all true midwestboy you live in the worst country in the world
save your money and grab a plane ticket out of here

I have a better idea. If someone will take charge of the money i'm sure we real Americans on this forum would be more than happy to donate the price of the ticket just so it's oneway and to Bagdad.
:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Howler]

Dont feed the trolls!
This guy has allways posted this kind of ....stirring crap!

[jaudude]

well, midwest boy (you sure your not on the left coast?) war always has been, is, and always will be, HELL. read up on Sherman and Patton for the details. You fight a war to win - that means killing people, often innocent people. there is also no santa claus or easter bunny.
the bottom line is if there was no oil in the middle east nobody would give a rat's a** about these crazy ragheads but we are totally dependent on the flow of oil, and yes, it is worth killing for via war if necessery or we will become a 3'rd world country. that should make your liberal pals happy but then, they like to visit the 3'rd world for the tax writeoff, not live in it. just be glad we have young folks brave enought to fight on our behalf. not just this weekend, but every weekend.

[Ialdoboath]

I am betting that a lot of people are looking at this article and thinking "This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. What the...?"

I have read versions of this story many times since 2003. The story is only told in part in this article, so the supposed rationale for the US iinvolvement is missing. The tale goes that the US forces figured out quick that they would need 300-500k boots to keep Iraq after the invasion because the Iraqis would rise up and boot them out with anything less. The supposed solution was to keep teh Sunni and Shia more at war with each other than they were with the US troops stationed in Iraq.
The division of the Sunni and Shia is supposedly why the US has seen only 3000 troops lost instead of the tens of thousands that would be lost had the Sunni and Shia combined to confront US occupation.

That's the theory. Not saying I agree with it, but I get that from reading the article people would be confused by the supposed rationale for US involvement in sectarian strife.

[Howler]

hmmmmmm.....
Sadr must read the same BS. He is calling for Shia's and Sunni's to unite against the infidels! LOL

[Nocturnal]

Oh like we have never killed civilians before. Ever hear of Hiroshima?

Seems to me that, that action saved alot of American lives, Not that I agree with it. But we did not attack them did we, We just ended the war that way. And by the way was it a Dem or a Rep that dropped that bomb? Was it Truman? and wasn't he a Dem? Did America learn a lesson from that mistake? Kinda makes me think that its ok for a Dem to do whatever they want in a war but when its a Rep he not only has to fight the war, But also the Libs over here as well.

[TimP]

I have thought this before...Midwestboy is not in the midwest...I don't think he is even in the USA or a US citizen. He is a plant, a mole...set lose to sow strife, confusion and disention on these forums. It is a part of the propaganda war against the West. Do not give him what he wants. Place him on ignore...that is more than he deserves...

how's that for a conspircy theory??:drunk:

[J007m]

More Dem anti-war Red Er Rick.

[Just_Sayin]

Why? My country was not founded to go into international wars. You need to do some reading on American history.


America survived its conflict with the most powerful nation on earth (Britian) in no small part because we convinced the French to be our ally. I'll just assume your ignorance of American History comes from public school instead of selective memory.


I would just like my country to get back to the basics of why it was founded in the first place. Not as a world military police for democracy.

So, I guess you're opposed with our involvement in World Wars I and II? "Let the Nazi's have Europe, we'll be safe over here. The Brits, French, Russians, and Jews can fend for themselves." Advantage Japan.

Time for school, Middy...

One lesson we can learn from the geopolitics of the 20th century is that the world is inextricably connected. There were many isolationsists like you in this country at the turn of the century - in fact, President Woodrow Wilson was among them. He resisted getting the U.S. into WWI for a long time, preferring attempts to broker disarmament and collective treaties via the League of Nations.

Even after Wilson learned of Germany's attempt to persuade Mexico to declare war on the U.S. and to recruit Japan as an ally (in return for supporting Mexico's claim on Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona), he hesitated to engage. It wasn't until the crews of 7 American merchant vessels lost their lives to German submarines did he finally declare war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

Similarly, after 2 years of resisting direct involvement in World War II, we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. At the end of the century, after decades of resisting the notion that Islamo-facists were at war with us (despite their attacks and propaganda), we were attacked on Manhattan, NY (for the second time).

My friend, you seem to be under the impression that all wars are electives, and that it is against our finer nature to participate. But as you see from history, following an isolationist foreign policy doesn't guarantee isolation from war. In fact, it often prolongs wars and increases casualties.

We haven't been the "world's cop" in any of these cases, as you assert. In all cases, the engagement in these wars was in response to attacks on American souls and interests. History has shown us that wars spread to our own shores and our own interests whether we participate or not.


Heck it is not even supposed to be a democracy but a Republic.

Democracy is the idea. A (Representational) Republic is the practice.


And who said this is the worst country in the world?

The thing that distinguishes you from most others on this site has more to do with which country you think is the BEST in the world. Care to illuminate us on that?

Just_Sayin