Iraqi south threatens secession

[Rick]

Deputy Governor of Basra Salam Uda al-Maliki has said he is to announce the separation of some Iraqi southern governorates from the central government in Baghdad.

Informed sources told Aljazeera that al-Maliki said the breakaway province would include Basra, Misan and Dhi Qar governorates.

He also wants to shut Basra's port, and effectively stop oil exports.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FC96F264-4A45-43B0-B90D-B265192BA98C.htm



This doesn't sound good. It's not very likely they'll be able to seperate, but they sure could stop the oil from flowing and close the port.

[Blake]

Eeeek. I've been keeping an eye peeled on the Najaf situation and for possible responses from the Shia population. Although this could be empty posturing, it is definitely something to watch closely. Taking on the cleric Al-Sadr was a calculated risk and hopefully Allawi has a thorough plan. IMO, the Iraqi gov't cannot afford to have a prolonged clash with Sadr inside Najaf for any considerable amount of time or an uprising could forment. The Iraqi gov't either needs to completely remove Sadr from "power/influence" inside Najaf in a very short period of time, or pull back immediately and restart truce negotiations.


Related Question: I have always wondered in the back of my mind if much of the opposition (insurgency & otherwise) is more attributable to the presence of U.S. forces directing/participating in security enforcement rather than a deep opposition to the new gov't. I wonder if the significant opposition we see to the new Iraqi gov't would die down considerably if the U.S. forces withdrew its presence from Iraq?

I often think that the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq just offered an attractive target for the terrorists to flock to Iraq to take pot-shots at U.S. forces, to take out however many U.S. soldiers they can, and that if U.S. soldiers left, a substantial amount of the opposition problems would dissipate as well. It seems some people inside the country are so clouded by their hatred of the U.S. and their continued presence inside Iraq that they refuse to swear support for the new gov't. Maybe a different strategy for the # of U.S. troops could prove beneficial?

On a related comparison, although we still have a significant number of troops in Afghanistan, the number of troops in Afghanitan is much much lower than when Afghanistan was 1st liberated, and the prevalence of terrorist attacks and unrest there has decreased substantially since U.S. has withdrawn a substantial amount of troops from the country and sent them to Iraq.

Just brainstorming, anyone have any thoughts?

[Rick]

Related Question: I have always wondered in the back of my mind if much of the opposition (insurgency & otherwise) is more attributable to the presence of U.S. forces directing/participating in security enforcement rather than a deep opposition to the new gov't. I wonder if the significant opposition we see to the new Iraqi gov't would die down considerably if the U.S. forces withdrew its presence from Iraq?

I often think that the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq just offered an attractive target for the terrorists to flock to Iraq to take pot-shots at U.S. forces, to take out however many U.S. soldiers they can, and that if U.S. soldiers left, a substantial amount of the opposition problems would dissipate as well. It seems some people inside the country are so clouded by their hatred of the U.S. and their continued presence inside Iraq that they refuse to swear support for the new gov't. Maybe a different strategy for the # of U.S. troops could prove beneficial?

You could be right, but the problem is if we withdrew and it didn't improve, it would be a blood bath before anyone could get a handle on it.
If you haven't noticed, those guys are targeting and killing ordinary Iraqi citizens also, more than Coalition members and Iraqi Government. It's obvious they don't give a damn about Iraqi civilians either. That's the main reason I believe it's mostly foreigners.

[Rick]

On a related comparison, although we still have a significant number of troops in Afghanistan, the number of troops in Afghanitan is much much lower than when Afghanistan was 1st liberated, and the prevalence of terrorist attacks and unrest there has decreased substantially since U.S. has withdrawn a substantial amount of troops from the country and sent them to Iraq.

NATO has the peace keeping mission in Afghanistan and the Warlords are too busy still fighting eachother to be bothered with them.

[Blake]

You could be right, but the problem is if we withdrew and it didn't improve, it would be a blood bath before anyone could get a handle on it. Couldn't the U.S., & hopefully U.N. forces then, re-enter pretty quickly if it got really bad?

I do think the Iraqi security forces are not sufficently trained as of yet to leave them completely on their own, and the creation of the intelligence agency came way too late. I feel we need support of the Iraqi security forces by troops of foreign countries that such a high # of iraqi people would not have such deep hatred for. In addition to a withdrawal of U.S. troops, maybe they could move the training of new Iraqi security forces to locations outside of Iraq itself so they are not so susceptible to terrorist attacks at their academies.

IMo, there definitely was not a thorough enough plan in place beforehand to sustain the peace and establish a new gov't.

If you haven't noticed, those guys are targeting and killing ordinary Iraqi citizens also, more than Coalition members and Iraqi Government. It's obvious they don't give a damn about Iraqi civilians either. That's the main reason I believe it's mostly foreigners.So what would you suggest...stay with the current course/approach? Would you make any adjustments?

That January election can't come soon enough in my mind.

[Rick]

Couldn't the U.S., & hopefully U.N. forces then, re-enter pretty quickly if it got really bad? So what would you suggest...stay with the current course/approach? Would you make any adjustments?

Honestly, I believe more outside help is needed. Look what happened when those idiots kidnapped a South Korean and killed him, South Korea sent more troops, then when they kidnapped another the other day they released him within 15 hours unharmed. They know SK would send even more. If all the nations supporting this effort had the balls that South Korea has, this would have to stop because bowing down to terrorism only encourages more terrorism.

That January election can't come soon enough in my mind.

I agree 100%

[Blake]

Honestly, I believe more outside help is needed.I think we are thinking along similar lines, i was just editing my above response with similar sentiments.

I know this might anger a lot of people here, but in my opinion, I don't believe the Current U.S. Administration will be able to gather much more outside help. That is one influential reason behind my election choice this November.

[Jen39503]

I kind of look at this whole situation like this: My brother spent 2/3 of his life behind bars, he went from drugs/guns to murder. He was paroled a little over 2 years ago. He couldnt cope with society, couldnt/wouldnt finda job, and turned back in to a junkie. He got in to a little bit more trouble and was facing 3 strikes and youre out. He chose to take his life instead.
The iraqi people dont know what its like to be free, they dont know how to make decisions that they are responsible for. The majority of them WANT a free country, WANT to work, get an education and raise their families. Quite a few are still afraid that saddam is going to return.
Was it allawi (?) that said they were working on a marshall law policy? Personally, i think they should offer a safe haven to the friendlies and blow the rest ta hell.
Its time to stop slapping the hands of the insurgents, and start playing like we mean business. Najaf? Would be a walmart, Fallujah, maybe a mcdonalds...
I dont think that we need more outside help, we just need to pull out the big guns and mean business when we do it. C'mon, you see pics of people in the streets with RPG's....is that normal?? Heck no...Kinda reminds me of the scene in MIB when he is trying out for the job and he goes in to the room where he shoots the girl target, his response was that she looked out of place, blah blah, .......what im getting at is if someone has an rpj on a street corner, hes a bad guy.
starting with car registrations would be another way to curb the violence.
the only thing i see wrong with the way the current admin is doing things is i think they are entirely too lax in their judgement.
jen
p.s. our war hero kerry scares the hell out of me.....

[Jeffrey]

I agree with Jen. Although it will never happen and I am sure that my view is not PC....I am not an advocate of "hand slapping"

Give'em 1 last chance. If they dont lay down their arms...BLOW THE HELL OUT OF THEM!!!!

It is like the US always goes the extra mile to make everyone feel "OK" while it is our men and women that are being killed. There are of course Iraqi people being killed too. So in the interest of all....give the crazy's 1 last chance and if they dont take it...there should be some freshley tilled real estate ready for rebuilding. :mad:

[Blake]

While I agree with the basic premise of your posts, I honestly think there are ramifications of how that would be viewed by other Muslims that do need to be considered to a degree. I think some of the opposition situations need to be considered individually and we shouldn't be extremely haste in just declaring a blanket policy of elimination.

Actually, there was just a replay of a very good discussion on the Najaf situation on the O'Reilley Factor with a retired Lt. Col. Peters, where Col. Peters stressed that the long-term beneficial goals of eliminating such festering problems like Al-Sadr outweigh the short-term negative effects of invading a holy Muslim shrine to do it.

Bascially, this Najaf situation is very important, and the U.S. needs to "bite the short-term bullet" and suck up the outrage that will occur for short period of time to eliminate Al-Sadr completely from the picture. Appeasing Al-Sadr will do nothing for the long-term future of democracy in Iraq.

[fms]

Better to fight those crazies over there than to have it here in our streets, towns and cities.

[fms]

While I agree with the basic premise of your posts, I honestly think there are ramifications of how that would be viewed by other Muslims that do need to be considered to a degree. I think some of the opposition situations need to be considered individually and we shouldn't be extremely haste in just declaring a blanket policy of elimination.

Actually, there was just a replay of a very good discussion on the Najaf situation on the O'Reilley Factor with a retired Lt. Col. Peters, where Col. Peters stressed that the long-term beneficial goals of eliminating such festering problems like Al-Sadr outweigh the short-term negative effects of invading a holy Muslim shrine to do it.

Bascially, this Najaf situation is very important, and the U.S. needs to "bite the short-term bullet" and suck up the outrage that will occur for short period of time to eliminate Al-Sadr completely from the picture. Appeasing Al-Sadr will do nothing for the long-term future of democracy in Iraq.

I agree, Al-Sadr has to go. The USA has got to fight this war with the intention of winning.

[Jen39503]

I havent been following the najaf situation very closely so if i sound dumb, just ignore me, lol.
If they want to hide behind their religion and hide inside a holy shrine for protection, yet use that same shrine as a weapons cache, outlook post, and terroristic activities, then THEY are the ones that have chosen the fate of the shrine.
I'm not saying we should go around and blow up every shrine in the country, but these people know that they are protected and are using them for their own good.
In fact, whats sad, is i think we protect their shrines more than we do our own soldiers.

[Rick]

Was it allawi (?) that said they were working on a marshall law policy?
They now can declare Marshall Law, but it would be stupid to do it nation wide. It should only be applied in areas where it's needed.

Personally, i think they should offer a safe haven to the friendlies and blow the rest ta hell.
:o

Its time to stop slapping the hands of the insurgents, and start playing like we mean business. Najaf? Would be a walmart, Fallujah, maybe a mcdonalds...
I dont think that we need more outside help, we just need to pull out the big guns and mean business when we do it.
To start with, if we do it alone, they will surely be convinced that we're doing it because of our greed, alot of folks there already believe that.
2nd, Najaf is a very important holy site, visited by Muslims from all over the world.
3rd, Iraqs own government needs to be and is attempting to be the ones to mean business, but the out come of this will effect the entire world, so the entire world (or at least a large chunk of it) needs to get their act together and stop expecting us (US) to baby sit them.

C'mon, you see pics of people in the streets with RPG's....is that normal??
Nope, that's not normal, and it's not normal in Iraq either. You only see that type of pictures, that's all the media wants you to see, but it's very rare and there's only a very small number of idiots doing it. Iraq has over 25 million people. If what the media wants us to believe was true we would have had our asses handed to us long ago.


p.s. our war hero kerry scares the hell out of me.....
I don't even want to get stated on that idiot.

[Blake]

I havent been following the najaf situation very closely so if i sound dumb, just ignore me, lol.
If they want to hide behind their religion and hide inside a holy shrine for protection, yet use that same shrine as a weapons cache, outlook post, and terroristic activities, then THEY are the ones that have chosen the fate of the shrine.
I'm not saying we should go around and blow up every shrine in the country, but these people know that they are protected and are using them for their own good.
In fact, whats sad, is i think we protect their shrines more than we do our own soldiers.I agree, but those shrines are extremly important to all Muslims in Iraq & across the globe, not just the insurgents hiding behind them. The problem occurs in that the Muslim world, inside of Iraq and out, does not trust the word of the U.S., for several deep-seeded reasons, and its not like we have Arab mdeia/newspapers on our side to tell the Najaf story accurately.

[Rick]

I agree, Al-Sadr has to go. The USA has got to fight this war with the intention of winning.

The USA has every intention of winning and there's no doubt we will, but if we fight it alone the Iraqi people will lose and the insurgents will also win.

[Rick]

I agree, but those shrines are extremly important to all Muslims in Iraq & across the globe, not just the insurgents hiding behind them. The problem occurs in that the Muslim world, inside of Iraq and out, does not trust the word of the U.S., for several deep-seeded reasons, and its not like we have Arab mdeia/newspapers on our side to tell the Najaf story accurately.

It's not like we have US media/newspapers on our side either. :no:

[RET]

They are getting on my last nerve! It aggrevates me that they can get away with printing and/or reporting misinformation or 1/2 of the story or even slanting it to their benefit. Ergggg. That's why I watch Fox News more and more. Just give me the facts! I don't have time for garbage!

[fms]

The USA has every intention of winning and there's no doubt we will, but if we fight it alone the Iraqi people will lose and the insurgents will also win.


We should send the iraqi army in to drag al - sadr out. The US has to back the Iraqi army with the muscle it does not yet posess.

[Blake]

They are getting on my last nerve! It aggrevates me that they can get away with printing and/or reporting misinformation or 1/2 of the story or even slanting it to their benefit. Ergggg. That's why I watch Fox News more and more. Just give me the facts! I don't have time for garbage!C'mon now, Fox News slants it just as much, just in the other direction.

The media overall as an industry has just become almost completely void of integrity the past 5 years in their fast-paced quest for ratings. It's just makes it more sad with the amount of influence they have on the world.

[Rick]

We should send the iraqi army in to drag al - sadr out. The US has to back the Iraqi army with the muscle it does not yet posess.
We shouldn't send them in, they don't belong to us, but when/if the Iraqi Gov does send them in, they should and will be supported 100%.

Actually, the new Iraqi military, intellegence and police forces are very successfull and the majority of them are very dedicated to ensuring Iraqs survival. ;)

[Blake]

We should send the iraqi army in to drag al - sadr out. The US has to back the Iraqi army with the muscle it does not yet posess.I believe that is pretty much the current strategy, to have the U.S. Marines do most of the intense fighting, and have the Iraqi forces make the final grab of Al-Sadr inside the shrine.

[Rick]

C'mon now, Fox News slants it just as much, just in the other direction.

The media overall as an industry has just become almost completely void of integrity the past 5 years in their fast-paced quest for ratings. It's just makes it more sad with the amount of influence they have on the world.
I agree, you can't get the truth about anything from the media, but cnn and abc are worst than Al Jazeera.

If you want to see some of the progress that's taken place in Iraq, you have to visit the websites of the companies that are there doing the work to get the good news then weigh it against the lies, half truths and total BS you get from the media.

[Blake]

I agree, you can't get the truth about anything from the media, but cnn and abc are worst than Al Jazeera.Just talking about the news reporting, not the liberal commentating portion of CNN's nightly programming, I don't think CNN's news reporting during the day is that bad.

[RET]

C'mon now, Fox News slants it just as much, just in the other direction.

The media overall as an industry has just become almost completely void of integrity the past 5 years in their fast-paced quest for ratings. It's just makes it more sad with the amount of influence they have on the world.

I KNEW you'd post a response to that! :) Hey, I like Fox because it "slants" toward my direction! :wave:

Seriously, though. I totally agree with you. We wonder why it's easier for people to change stories than to tell the truth. What a different place it would be if the news were told with truth and no agenda.

[Blake]

I KNEW you'd post a response to that! :) Hey, I like Fox because it "slants" toward my direction! :wave:

Seriously, though. I totally agree with you. We wonder why it's easier for people to change stories than to tell the truth. What a different place it would be if the news were told with truth and no agenda.How about with all of our millions, we start a news network that does only report the truth and doesn't cater to any political ideology? ;)

[fms]

How about with all of our millions, we start a news network that does only report the truth and doesn't cater to any political ideology? ;)

No one would watch it, too boring.

[fms]

besides, people really don`t want to hear the truth. It`s too harsh.

[Blake]

No one would watch it, too boring.What if I invite people on that irk me and use my beating stick on them? I have a long list of possible invitees. ;)

[Rick]

What if I invite people on that irk me and use my beating stick on them? I have a long list of possible invitees. ;)
If the majority of them were politicians, I'd never miss a night of it. :D
I feel better just thinking about it :D

[Jeffrey]

The TV station could be named
THE TRUTH HURTS! :lmao:

[fms]

What if I invite people on that irk me and use my beating stick on them? I have a long list of possible invitees. ;)

Everyone seems to be crazy about those reality tv shows. Maybe a reality TV news show would catch on. Maybe something on the same line as `cops`

[Henry]

C'mon now, Fox News slants it just as much, just in the other direction.

The media overall as an industry has just become almost completely void of integrity the past 5 years in their fast-paced quest for ratings. It's just makes it more sad with the amount of influence they have on the world.

It's not just the quest for ratings, the alphabet networks, abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, etc are just on the same side as the Hollywood left. Yes, thank God for Fox, they do lean a bit, but where else would we get the good stories out of Iraq; the other side of the story. You can pretty much tell which stations someone is getting their information (misinformation) from by discussing their political views. These stations are to the left, hire people to the left, interview people they like (to the left) this is how it has gradually gotten worse. I haven't watched 60 minutes since 1979 when Mike Wallace "crucified" Ronald Regan, badgered him with questions about how many black people were on his nationally wide campaign staff. No one could know that number of their own staff. But 60 minutes did their best to make him look like a racist. It only got worse after that, blowing up Chevy trucks, to prove they would explode on impact, remember that?
Bottom line is it's hard to conduct an intelligent discussion based on information the media wants you to know. Thanks to the internet, we can now research different publications and even different government agencies. You all know what information we get on this forum (links and such, not rumors) and how it differs from what the media is telling us. Sorry for going to long.

[Rick]

I honestly feel that the media has made this war what it is today. They allow the insurgents and terrorists to use them as their own prapaganda machine.
The freakin idiots even know of planned ambushes and instead of alerting the intended victims, they record them getting slaughtered, kidnapped and executed. Then twist the story to appear like it's their fault, that they started it. :(
Hopefully, someday, they will be held responsible for their greed and selfishness.

That's enough, I'm going to bed again and try to sleep.

G'nite ya'll :(

[BRYAN]

I kind of look at this whole situation like this: My brother spent 2/3 of his life behind bars, he went from drugs/guns to murder. He was paroled a little over 2 years ago. He couldnt cope with society, couldnt/wouldnt finda job, and turned back in to a junkie. He got in to a little bit more trouble and was facing 3 strikes and youre out. He chose to take his life instead.
The iraqi people dont know what its like to be free, they dont know how to make decisions that they are responsible for. The majority of them WANT a free country, WANT to work, get an education and raise their families. Quite a few are still afraid that saddam is going to return.
Was it allawi (?) that said they were working on a marshall law policy? Personally, i think they should offer a safe haven to the friendlies and blow the rest ta hell.
Its time to stop slapping the hands of the insurgents, and start playing like we mean business. Najaf? Would be a walmart, Fallujah, maybe a mcdonalds...
I dont think that we need more outside help, we just need to pull out the big guns and mean business when we do it. C'mon, you see pics of people in the streets with RPG's....is that normal?? Heck no...Kinda reminds me of the scene in MIB when he is trying out for the job and he goes in to the room where he shoots the girl target, his response was that she looked out of place, blah blah, .......what im getting at is if someone has an rpj on a street corner, hes a bad guy.
starting with car registrations would be another way to curb the violence.
the only thing i see wrong with the way the current admin is doing things is i think they are entirely too lax in their judgement.
jen
p.s. our war hero kerry scares the hell out of me.....
Jen , I have a brother similar to yours , Kinda on the same track . I want so bad for him to change and no matter how much money - time I spend on him he must recover from this HIMSELF & it is worth it . He does know there is more for him , but it is easy to not to try . I can relate that the Iraqi people are confussed and scared in most parts . The fighting has to stop ......
Then the peace will emerge . I feel that the boarders should be shut down and a mass country wide concencus be taken and as they are counted give each of them a stock portfolio for each registered non militant Iraqi citizen !! :happy64: If they are wealthy they won't fight as much ????

[CAP]

Thank you for starting this thread, although I am a little concerned it will be flogged for it's political satire. Hopefully not. This thread, to this point, is a nice example of how we as relatively intelligent adults can engage in an exchange of ideas.

The media has helped create an American society that only responds to the visual. For example Abu Ghraib. The story broke in December by the defense department, however it was not until the "pictures" came out that the media, therefore the public, had any interest. In addition to migrating into a visually reactive society we have sadly become a "want it now, damn it" culture. The media is not the Lone Ranger, solely responsible for this decline though.

Even the brightest in our society (read the posts on this thread) have forgotten, or have never been taught U.S. or global history. That is in no way intended to be an insult of any individual on this thread- it is an observation of us all.

On a recent trip to Germany I was taken back by how little their citizens know about WWI and WWII. Extremely intelligent engineers, yet their knowledge of those wars had to be obtained outside of their government run educational system. How can they prevent a reoccurrence of those errors if they are not educated?

Patience. Was a war ravaged Europe rebuilt in one year after WWII? Did we eliminate the Nazi's in one year? Hell, they are still present, just not dominant. Do you realize we have more nations with troops (albeit limited comparatively), not to mention those in support capacities, than we had in WWII?

Problem is, we want it now. Send a email to Iraq and it arrives almost instantaneously. Wire money around the globe? In milliseconds. Who else do we want to bring to the table? France? Germany? Russia? Yeah right. The only reason those countries opposed the war is because of the corrupt oil for funds program. John Kerry says he will bring other (those) nations to the table so the U.S. does not have to "go alone." How? Has he said? Does anyone really believe the leaders of these, or any nation make such decisions because they like or dislike the leaders of a particular country? You are wrong. They make these decisions for two primary purposes. Their own selfish political gain, and the perceived monitary well being of their country. Which, both are one in the same.

Push away from the TV, pick up a book or go on line to research historical examples of post war societies- and all of us will become more understanding of the current approach. Thanks for allowing me to comment and share my opinions. I look forward to meetiing all of you someday, because I feel that I am sharing a foxhole with a few hundred right now. :huge:

[iraqidinar2005]

...See this post, I remember the song by C.D. The South's Gonna Do It Again...Not trying to be insensitive...just relaying thoughts.

Darfur...Don't get me wrong...I believe our current Commander in Chief is the man for the job given the current events. Americans don't take crap from anyone. Dispute that and I say you should move to Canada or Switzerland. I do feel though, since we have in-voluntarily accepted the role of World Police which most countries feel we have a responsibility of performing, (apparently others don't have the patriotism for their country or for humanity), then we should be just as focused on Darfur. Starving children should be just as important.

If we don't take care of them for humanity sake, then at least take care of them so that they don't take for granted and underestimate the value of human life.

[fsm75]

...See this post, I remember the song by C.D. The South's Gonna Do It Again...Not trying to be insensitive...just relaying thoughts.

Darfur...Don't get me wrong...I believe our current Commander in Chief is the man for the job given the current events. Americans don't take crap from anyone. Dispute that and I say you should move to Canada or Switzerland. I do feel though, since we have in-voluntarily accepted the role of World Police which most countries feel we have a responsibility of performing, (apparently others don't have the patriotism for their country or for humanity), then we should be just as focused on Darfur. Starving children should be just as important.

If we don't take care of them for humanity sake, then at least take care of them so that they don't take for granted and underestimate the value of human life.
I disagree with the idea that many other contries see us a the world police. I think many times we stick our noses in where it is not welcomed or needed. We have several issues in our own land.

[iraqidinar2005]

I concur...And I am one that feels we should build up our defenses at our borders. However, we are a nation of immigrants after all. As much as you don't want to hear it (I don't either), we are the only remaining SUPER POWER and humanity expects the U.S of A. to do what is right and humane.

Abu Ghraib prison was a disgrace which really put a black mark on our reputation.

Everyday I confront a local here in the Middle East, I try my best to portray the values of the American dream. Honesty, manners.

In this day and age, we need to help those that cannot help themselves.

Darfur seems to be going through a similar experience that Jews in Germany went through, per the media.

NO. I am not Jewish, however, religion is not the issue.

I have a family I love dearly. Different backgrounds between mother and father. Regardless, if anyone were to lay so much as a finger on my family, I would be out for blood.

This is what Darfur is going through now. Mass graves....Hello...History repeating itself....

My 2 fils...

[iraqidinar2005]

If you are up to speed with the current news then I hope this analogy will help you understand or at least make you aware of the train of thought.

- If you were neighbors to the folks that were killed during the "X-Box killings" or neighbors to the suspect. If that neighbor showed signs of violence, or indicated that he would kill those folks, which by the way could have easily been your family members, would you contact the authorities?

America is aware of the crimes in Darfur and no, we are not putting our noses where they don't belong. Should we not help them, or should we turn a blind eye? If we turn a blind eye then we are just as guilty as those that perform those horrible crimes.

If the U.N. and America interject, many families like yours and mine will silently thank their God for sending soldiers, American men and woman.

As unfortunate as it is, many countries don't have the communication network in place to come together as a group and rid their oppresive leaders.