How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water Supply

[pearse1916]

Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m35062&s1=h1

[oldskiier]

Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m35062&s1=h1

Aren't ya glad you don't live in the USA !!! I know I sure am glad you don't !!!......................LOL.................:lmao :

[pearse1916]

Aren't ya glad you don't live in the USA !!! I know I sure am glad you don't !!!......................LOL.................:lmao :

Your a funny guy! NOT! LOL! whats that supposed to mean? Your right i am glad i dont live there, but i dont like living where i do either. I just thought it was an interesting article.

[oldskiier]

Your a funny guy! NOT! LOL! whats that supposed to mean? Your right i am glad i dont live there, but i dont like living where i do either. I just thought it was an interesting article.

To support the "anti war propaganda campaign" ??? I see no good in it at all !! to insinuate that the US would do something to hurt little children on purpose is ridiculous !!! whats so interesting about it ?? never mind don't want to know ...

[LakewayDaze!]

Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m35062&s1=h1

Surely the good members of this forum know nonsense when they read it.

If not do some homework on how hard the US and its allies have been working to provide adequate drinking water to the people of IRAQ. I am going to agree with Ol Skiier on this one.

[pearse1916]

To support the "anti war propaganda campaign" ??? I see no good in it at all !! to insinuate that the US would do something to hurt little children on purpose is ridiculous !!! whats so interesting about it ?? never mind don't want to know ...

I am not insuating anything the article is. I found the article interesting because i had no idea how much sanctions could affect a country. I did not consider for a moment that chlorine or lack of it would have such a major affect on a country. Why do you take such articles so personal? I am not totally anti war i agree there were good reasons to go into iraq even if they were not the reasons used in the first place. But you say to insinuate the US would Deliberately hurt children is ridiculous, then tell me is war not a deliberate act that hurts mens women and children? I am going to stop posting any articles liek this because by peoples reaction you would swear it was me who wrote them!!!!!!!

[oldskiier]

I am not insuating anything the article is. I found the article interesting because i had no idea how much sanctions could affect a country. I did not consider for a moment that chlorine or lack of it would have such a major affect on a country. Why do you take such articles so personal? I am not totally anti war i agree there were good reasons to go into iraq even if they were not the reasons used in the first place. But you say to insinuate the US would Deliberately hurt children is ridiculous, then tell me is war not a deliberate act that hurts mens women and children? I am going to stop posting any articles like this because by peoples reaction you would swear it was me who wrote them!!!!!!!

Very good idea !! Thanks :)

[vrwc24]

I am not insuating anything the article is. I found the article interesting because i had no idea how much sanctions could affect a country. I did not consider for a moment that chlorine or lack of it would have such a major affect on a country. Why do you take such articles so personal? I am not totally anti war i agree there were good reasons to go into iraq even if they were not the reasons used in the first place. But you say to insinuate the US would Deliberately hurt children is ridiculous, then tell me is war not a deliberate act that hurts mens women and children? I am going to stop posting any articles liek this because by peoples reaction you would swear it was me who wrote them!!!!!!!

Chlorine can be used to make chemical weapons, hence the sanctions. What you don't hear about is the FACT that since the invasion US doctors and nurses have vaccinated around 95% of the Iraqi children against childhood diseases, saving countless lives. What you also do not hear, is the damage Kofi Annan's oil for food kickback scheme did to the Iraqi populace. At least the US sanction was necessary and not riddled with corruption.

Not trying to offend or argue, just stating some facts in defense of my great country....Were almost as cool as Khazistan and have more prostitutes :-)

[bankerguy]

This guy just dont get it...

[ny731]

To support the "anti war propaganda campaign" ??? I see no good in it at all !! to insinuate that the US would do something to hurt little children on purpose is ridiculous !!! whats so interesting about it ?? never mind don't want to know ...
Well said!

[pearse1916]

Chlorine can be used to make chemical weapons, hence the sanctions. What you don't hear about is the FACT that since the invasion US doctors and nurses have vaccinated around 95% of the Iraqi children against childhood diseases, saving countless lives. What you also do not hear, is the damage Kofi Annan's oil for food kickback scheme did to the Iraqi populace. At least the US sanction was necessary and not riddled with corruption.

Not trying to offend or argue, just stating some facts in defense of my great country....Were almost as cool as Khazistan and have more prostitutes :-)

In red are things i did not know. And in green i agree with i think america is a great counrty, I just would not like to live there. And OS sorry if i offended you. I am not anti bush or anti america just want to make that clear i have family in america.

[pearse1916]

This guy just dont get it...

:D.........................

[Wolverine]

It is a fact that a fresh drinking water supply was kept from Iraqis & Iraqi children. The responsible party for these atrocities was Saddam Hussein. I don't think he'll be doing it anymore and watching footage of his hanging makes me proud to be an American !

:wave:

PS: If there is a place for this sort of propaganda crap, it is certainly not the lounge !

[Wolverine]

.

Not trying to offend or argue, just stating some facts in defense of my great country....Were almost as cool as Khazistan and have more prostitutes :-)

Which 'stan ? or where do you live ???

:wave:

[pearse1916]

Surely the good members of this forum know nonsense when they read it.

If not do some homework on how hard the US and its allies have been working to provide adequate drinking water to the people of IRAQ. I am going to agree with Ol Skiier on this one.


The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991.

This document is referring to 1991 gulf war not the current one.

[vrwc24]

Which 'stan ? or where do you live ???

:wave:

Sorry, at the time I posted this I was having a Borat moment. For some reason I was thinking about the joke from the movie. Im from US and A:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: ......but im stationed in Germany right now.

[Wolverine]

Sorry, at the time I posted this I was having a Borat moment. For some reason I was thinking about the joke from the movie. Im from US and A:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: ......but im stationed in Germany right now.

Well the country you're in certainly fits the bill for your statement that prompted my question !

Thank you for your service !!!

:wave:

[AJOB]

To support the "anti war propaganda campaign" ??? I see no good in it at all !! to insinuate that the US would do something to hurt little children on purpose is ridiculous !!! whats so interesting about it ?? never mind don't want to know ...

I have a friend that works in intelligence for the Pentagon. This is a guy that I know to be a good man and very honest. He heads up an team that gathers info about various geographical areas so that they can develop virtual reality simulators to train our military. For obvious reasons he cannot speak a current missions but in describing older completed missions he has told me some great stories. The one think that he has said that has impressed me and has made me proud of our military is that one of the prime and guiding principle in the military s approach is to making strategic strikes where innocent people do not get hurt. Not that you can avoid it in every case but their intention is to preserve life.

[vrwc24]

Well the country you're in certainly fits the bill for your statement that prompted my question !

Thank you for your service !!!

:wave:


lol you have NO IDEA!!! There's no standing on streetcorners here! They have these nice RV's parked on the side of the road. Or you can go to the huge 2 story whore house right outside the gate LOL
They even get state medical benefits and retirement pay :lmao:

[vrwc24]

I have a friend that works in intelligence for the Pentagon. This is a guy that I know to be a good man and very honest. He heads up an team that gathers info about various geographical areas so that they can develop virtual reality simulators to train our military. For obvious reasons he cannot speak a current missions but in describing older completed missions he has told me some great stories. The one think that he has said that has impressed me and has made me proud of our military is that one of the prime and guiding principle in the military s approach is to making strategic strikes where innocent people do not get hurt. Not that you can avoid it in every case but their intention is to preserve life.



Everyone should take a look at LOAC (Law of armed conflict)

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm

We bend over backwards to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties, unlike the jihadists.

[removed account per user]

Surely the good members of this forum know nonsense when they read it.

If not do some homework on how hard the US and its allies have been working to provide adequate drinking water to the people of IRAQ. I am going to agree with Ol Skiier on this one.

Yeah, registering very high on the Koolaide meter.

I think we may have a liberal on our hands...

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9536/memealyzercopy0jucy6.jpg

[AJOB]

Everyone should take a look at LOAC (Law of armed conflict)

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm

We bend over backwards to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties, unlike the jihadists.


Thanks ...... That is a good link to have :wave:

[everwiser]

None of you have to agree with pearse1916 but he has a right to post and to have an opinion counter to yours. Stop allowing that and you're only a step or two from promoting facism...

[vrwc24]

None of you have to agree with pearse1916 but he has a right to post and to have an opinion counter to yours. Stop allowing that and you're only a step or two from promoting facism...

As far as I can recall, no one said he should not be allowed to post. I think we just called out that article for the propaganda it was. It's the same political discourse that has made our country great and, in time, will make Iraq great.

Then again, I lean to the RIGHT of Rush Limbaugh sometimes, you probably already think I'm a fascist.

[Wolverine]

lol you have NO IDEA!!! There's no standing on streetcorners here! They have these nice RV's parked on the side of the road. Or you can go to the huge 2 story whore house right outside the gate LOL
They even get state medical benefits and retirement pay :lmao:

I wasn't speaking blindly, believe me I have a very good idea. One of the largest, by all accounts government looking, buildings I ever saw was.........well you know !!!

GOD Bless the USA !!!

[Xytx]

Obviously, the US had no intention of "destroying the water treatment system of Iraq," and the references in the article support no such conclusion. What would be the point? Sickening or killing large numbers of Iraqi civilians?

The US took extraordinary steps to prevent civilian deaths during both wars in Iraq. These water treatment conditions existed prior to the first Gulf War as a result of Saddam's neglect. The author's key document is clearly a report on the state of Iraq's water treatment systems, and not a plan for its destruction.

Direct link to the DIA report noted in the article:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_511rept_91.html

Notable dates involved:
Iraq invades Kuwait: 2 August 1990
UN sanctions imposed on Iraq: 6 August 1990
US invades Iraq: 17 January 1991
Date of the DIA document (above): 22 January 1991
Iraqi troops retreat from Kuwait: 26 February 1991

From paragraph 28:
"HOWEVER, CURRENT IRAQI EFFORTS TO
OBTAIN CHEMICALS AND MEMBRANES [for water treatment] AND THE INSTALLATION OF A
PIPELINE TO OBTAIN PURE KUWAITI WATER SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS
NOT ADEOUATE STOCKPILING PRIOR TO THE INVASION OF KUWAIT. SOME
CHEMICALS ARE DEPLETED OR ARE NEARING DEPLETION, AND OLDER
MEMBRANES ARE NOT BEING REPLACED ON SCHEDULE."

[Wolverine]

None of you have to agree with pearse1916 but he has a right to post and to have an opinion counter to yours. Stop allowing that and you're only a step or two from promoting facism...

I just stated that political propaganda shouldn't be posted in the lounge !

Furthermore, I think Susan Sarandon & Sean Penn operate a blog specifically for anti-American propaganda !!!

:wave:

[Gixxer]

Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m35062&s1=h1

Pearse, just a suggestion. You posted an article with a VERY eye catching title that is 6 years old and talks about info from 1991. You might want to add your thoughts or ideas about it when posting. You later state you found it interesting but didnt share your views. You should know that you will be questioned for posting it. I am curious what your point is and why post such an old article. thanks.

[bigred52]

If it wasn't for the----AMERICANS-----pearse1916 would be speaking
GERMAN.

[LakewayDaze!]

Wie die US absichtlich Wasserversorgung des Iraks zerstörten

Über den letzten zwei Jahren habe ich Dokumente des Verteidigung-Nachrichtendiensts entdeckt, der über einem Zweifel hinaus prüft, daß, gegensätzlich zur Genfer Konvention, die USregierung absichtlich Sanktionen gegen den Irak verwendete, um die Wasserversorgung des Landes nach dem Golf-Krieg zu vermindern. Die Vereinigten Staaten kannten die Kosten, die Ziviliraker, meistens Kinder, zahlen würden, und sie ging voran irgendwie. .

http://uruknet.info/?p=m35062&s1=h1


Try that out for a minute.

[vrwc24]

Try that out for a minute.

Mein auto ist kaput und mein frau ist unter ein flugzoig

I live here :lmao:

Germans are awesome, and brotchen is the best bread ever baked

[pearse1916]

If it wasn't for the----AMERICANS-----pearse1916 would be speaking
GERMAN.

I consider my self to be Irish, During the course of World War Two Ireland held an official policy of neutrality. So i would not be speaking german.

[Wolverine]

Mein auto ist kaput und mein frau ist unter ein flugzoig

I live here :lmao:

Germans are awesome, and brotchen is the best bread ever baked

I am of German descent (half) and have visited there as well. My sir name is the name of the village in Germany from which my family originated.

(the German equivilent of the Italian Corleone)
:wave:

[hugh]

It's estimated that over 50,000 children have been killed in Iraq over the past 4 years.

[vrwc24]

I consider my self to be Irish, During the course of World War Two Ireland held an official policy of neutrality. So i would not be speaking german.


And you really believe Hitler would have stopped short of total global domination?????

I doubt he would have stopped until Germany controlled all of europe and continental Asia. At that point he would have had the choice of either turning on his Japaneese allies or finishing off the US. The only neutral country to possibly remain independant would be Switzerland due to their militia. Any attemt to invade the US would result in a "Red dawn" scenario, which I would thoroughly enjoy :D

[pearse1916]

Pearse, just a suggestion. You posted an article with a VERY eye catching title that is 6 years old and talks about info from 1991. You might want to add your thoughts or ideas about it when posting. You later state you found it interesting but didnt share your views. You should know that you will be questioned for posting it. I am curious what your point is and why post such an old article. thanks.

I found the article interesting simply because i had no idea of the impact the lack of chlorine could do to a country. Also i found it interesting how something as simple as water could be used as a weapon against a country. Weather the article in true, faulse or propaganda is down to each person who reads it to decide. I simply thought it was interesting if it has anoid people then I apologise.

[pearse1916]

And you really believe Hitler would have stopped short of total global domination?????

I doubt he would have stopped until Germany controlled all of europe and continental Asia. At that point he would have had the choice of either turning on his Japaneese allies or finishing off the US. The only neutral country to possibly remain independant would be Switzerland due to their militia. Any attemt to invade the US would result in a "Red dawn" scenario, which I would thoroughly enjoy :D

So did the USA single-handedly win the war? If they did not then who do you have to thank for not speaking german today?

[vrwc24]

I found the article interesting simply because i had no idea of the impact the lack of chlorine could do to a country. Also i found it interesting how something as simple as water could be used as a weapon against a country. Weather the article in true, faulse or propaganda is down to each person who reads it to decide. I simply thought it was interesting if it has anoid people then I apologise.


I don't think it annoyed people so much as we felt the need to point out the obvious fallacy of this article.

"Weather the article in true, faulse or propaganda is down to each person who reads it to decide. "

I think we have totally debunked the possibility of any intentional harm caused by the US in this instance. So, you are right, if anyone chooses to believe this rubbish it's their right to be inane kool-aid drinkers

[Gixxer]

I found the article interesting simply because i had no idea of the impact the lack of chlorine could do to a country. Also i found it interesting how something as simple as water could be used as a weapon against a country. Weather the article in true, faulse or propaganda is down to each person who reads it to decide. I simply thought it was interesting if it has anoid people then I apologise.


Thanks for your response.

[pearse1916]

I don't think it annoyed people so much as we felt the need to point out the obvious fallacy of this article.

"Weather the article in true, faulse or propaganda is down to each person who reads it to decide. "

I think we have totally debunked the possibility of any intentional harm caused by the US in this instance. So, you are right, if anyone chooses to believe this rubbish it's their right to be inane kool-aid drinkers


Ok Fair enough

As you all seem to feel the need to educate me then tell me if this article ( also an old article) is also a load of rubbish?. I think it makes sense and also think its a smart move, But then everyone will have there own take on it. And i would be interested to hear opinioins on it that may change my veiw point.

BUSH'S DEEP REASONS FOR WAR ON IRAQ: OIL, PETRODOLLARS, AND THE OPEC EURO QUESTION .
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html

[vrwc24]

Yes, I believe oil was a small part of the decision to go to war. I think another reason was the WMD's which he had. I know people who were personally exposed to sarin at the beginning of the invasion, so I refuse to believe the "Bush lied" mantra. Another reason was the real Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the war. Also, Saddam financed Palestinian suicide bombers who, in the past, have killed American tourist in Israel. Let's not even get into the fact that Israel is our only true ally in the region and we shouldn't abandon them.

Do I think the oil motivation was unjust? No. I think we should only go to war when it is in our national interest (Example: Kosovo was none of our business).

How does this apply to our national interest? I am reminded of the novel Dune by Frank Herbert. "He who controlls the spice controlls the galaxy" You have a comodity that the entire world relies on, and without it, civilization comes unglued. If any one person holds the only access to this resource they have control over everyone else. While we do have massive reserves at home (Enough to last 100-200 years) it would take some time to exploit enough to make up for lost imports, crippling our economy. Thats is why we cannot afford to have our main supply in the hands of thugs and tyrants. By securing the oil under a stable democracy we will hopefully prevent future shortages and take a bargaining chip away from others like Hugo Chaves.

The Saudi's are no longer allies(Don't even get me started on the 20 billion) and Iran has been at war with us for 25 years. If we didn't liberate Iraq EVERY major oil exporting country in the world today, except Canada, would be ruled by totalitarian regimes (And I include Putin's Russia in that list). This thought should frighten you! This small group of America hating nations could cripple Western civilization at will.

Also, its important to remember that Saddam never ended the 1991 Gulf War. He constantly shot at our planes in the no-fly zone with AAA and missles. Luckily, our pilots are just so good he never shot one down :happy64:

I would recommend reading Saddams Secrets by Georges Sadr if you still have doubts about the WMD's.

So, in conclusion, oil was a good enough reason to go in. Freeing 25 million people and creating a potential ally while getting rid of a terrorist sponsoring state with WMD's was just icing on the cake.

[vrwc24]

Oh yea, I forgot to address the whole "Dollar Hedgemony" thing. I think we are loosing our affluence as a result of our unwillingness to adapt to globalization. If we would enact the Fair Tax and regain our competitive edge we would have no problems keeping everyone on the dollar. The reason the Euro is climbing is due to the eastern european nations being such greedy capitalists. Trust me, the socialist countries economies have nothing to do with the Euro's growth.

[vrwc24]

So did the USA single-handedly win the war? If they did not then who do you have to thank for not speaking german today?

I didn't say the US single-handedly won the war. I was just stating the likely outcome of a German victory.

[pearse1916]

Yes, I believe oil was a small part of the decision to go to war. I think another reason was the WMD's which he had. I know people who were personally exposed to sarin at the beginning of the invasion, so I refuse to believe the "Bush lied" mantra. Another reason was the real Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the war. Also, Saddam financed Palestinian suicide bombers who, in the past, have killed American tourist in Israel. Let's not even get into the fact that Israel is our only true ally in the region and we shouldn't abandon them.

Do I think the oil motivation was unjust? No. I think we should only go to war when it is in our national interest (Example: Kosovo was none of our business).

How does this apply to our national interest? I am reminded of the novel Dune by Frank Herbert. "He who controlls the spice controlls the galaxy" You have a comodity that the entire world relies on, and without it, civilization comes unglued. If any one person holds the only access to this resource they have control over everyone else. While we do have massive reserves at home (Enough to last 100-200 years) it would take some time to exploit enough to make up for lost imports, crippling our economy. Thats is why we cannot afford to have our main supply in the hands of thugs and tyrants. By securing the oil under a stable democracy we will hopefully prevent future shortages and take a bargaining chip away from others like Hugo Chaves.

The Saudi's are no longer allies(Don't even get me started on the 20 billion) and Iran has been at war with us for 25 years. If we didn't liberate Iraq EVERY major oil exporting country in the world today, except Canada, would be ruled by totalitarian regimes (And I include Putin's Russia in that list). This thought should frighten you! This small group of America hating nations could cripple Western civilization at will.

Also, its important to remember that Saddam never ended the 1991 Gulf War. He constantly shot at our planes in the no-fly zone with AAA and missles. Luckily, our pilots are just so good he never shot one down :happy64:

I would recommend reading Saddams Secrets by Georges Sadr if you still have doubts about the WMD's.

So, in conclusion, oil was a good enough reason to go in. Freeing 25 million people and creating a potential ally while getting rid of a terrorist sponsoring state with WMD's was just icing on the cake.

I think everything you have said was very well put and to be honest i can not disagree with any of it. I stand on the fence when it comes to WMD, but for what its worth i suppose the US made the right decision to go into iraq. After all i suppose what they are doing is protecting the future and your children and grand children and the whole nation. I think i will take a look and see if can get my hands on that book Saddams Secrets.

[pearse1916]

Oh yea, I forgot to address the whole "Dollar Hedgemony" thing. I think we are loosing our affluence as a result of our unwillingness to adapt to globalization. If we would enact the Fair Tax and regain our competitive edge we would have no problems keeping everyone on the dollar. The reason the Euro is climbing is due to the eastern european nations being such greedy capitalists. Trust me, the socialist countries economies have nothing to do with the Euro's growth.

Dollar Hedgemony as far as i can see is just a way of staying in control, And as you said in your previous post "He who controlls the spice controlls the galaxy" survival of the fitest.

[Okie]

Ok Fair enough

As you all seem to feel the need to educate me then tell me if this article ( also an old article) is also a load of rubbish?. I think it makes sense and also think its a smart move, But then everyone will have there own take on it. And i would be interested to hear opinioins on it that may change my veiw point.

BUSH'S DEEP REASONS FOR WAR ON IRAQ: OIL, PETRODOLLARS, AND THE OPEC EURO QUESTION .
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html

The source of this article (berkeley.edu) is the answer to your question! For sure, it's a load of rubbish and the world simply doesn't listen to them anymore.

[Wolverine]

Yes, I believe oil was a small part of the decision to go to war. I think another reason was the WMD's which he had. I know people who were personally exposed to sarin at the beginning of the invasion, so I refuse to believe the "Bush lied" mantra. Another reason was the real Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the war. Also, Saddam financed Palestinian suicide bombers who, in the past, have killed American tourist in Israel. Let's not even get into the fact that Israel is our only true ally in the region and we shouldn't abandon them.

Do I think the oil motivation was unjust? No. I think we should only go to war when it is in our national interest (Example: Kosovo was none of our business).

How does this apply to our national interest? I am reminded of the novel Dune by Frank Herbert. "He who controlls the spice controlls the galaxy" You have a comodity that the entire world relies on, and without it, civilization comes unglued. If any one person holds the only access to this resource they have control over everyone else. While we do have massive reserves at home (Enough to last 100-200 years) it would take some time to exploit enough to make up for lost imports, crippling our economy. Thats is why we cannot afford to have our main supply in the hands of thugs and tyrants. By securing the oil under a stable democracy we will hopefully prevent future shortages and take a bargaining chip away from others like Hugo Chaves.

The Saudi's are no longer allies(Don't even get me started on the 20 billion) and Iran has been at war with us for 25 years. If we didn't liberate Iraq EVERY major oil exporting country in the world today, except Canada, would be ruled by totalitarian regimes (And I include Putin's Russia in that list). This thought should frighten you! This small group of America hating nations could cripple Western civilization at will.

Also, its important to remember that Saddam never ended the 1991 Gulf War. He constantly shot at our planes in the no-fly zone with AAA and missles. Luckily, our pilots are just so good he never shot one down :happy64:

I would recommend reading Saddams Secrets by Georges Sadr if you still have doubts about the WMD's.

So, in conclusion, oil was a good enough reason to go in. Freeing 25 million people and creating a potential ally while getting rid of a terrorist sponsoring state with WMD's was just icing on the cake.

Very well stated, sir .

I personally witnessed more than enough evidence to debunk all " no wmd " -"Bush lied" mantra garbage and I tell everybody I come into contact with (within the parameters of opsec).The Bush hating liberal media would have you believe Saddam was abiding by sanctions all along and only had a handful of rifles left for rodent plinking when the unprovoked Bush led coalition forces barbarically disrupted the peaceful utopia that was Saddam's Iraq !

:wave:

[LakewayDaze!]

Very well stated, sir .

I personally witnessed more than enough evidence to debunk all " no wmd " -"Bush lied" mantra garbage and I tell everybody I come into contact with (within the parameters of opsec).The Bush hating liberal media would have you believe Saddam was abiding by sanctions all along and only had a handful of rifles left for rodent plinking when the unprovoked Bush led coalition forces barbarically disrupted the peaceful utopia that was Saddam's Iraq !

:wave:

Bravo Sir Bravo!!

[nosocsecinmyfuture]

So when marines busted into an insurgents neighbors house and found a peace loving family, then tortured them, raped their 13 year old daughter, then killed her parents they were doing good for the right wing christian US cause?? Read the papers, and not just your right wing bull....


Olskiier, you have a lot to learn young man. Quit thinking like a 16 year old Texan college football punk and start to think like an individual. Shame on you... What's with all the right wing RA RA American bull on this forum? You guys have lost the war, plain and simple. I only hope the Iraqi people can pick up where the lazy US military left off.

Isolated incidents are far different from an entire movement. (singluar soldiers vs jihadists)

[Wolverine]

So when marines busted into an insurgents neighbors house and found a peace loving family, then tortured them, raped their 13 year old daughter, then killed her parents they were doing good for the right wing christian US cause?? Read the papers, and not just your right wing bull....


Olskiier, you have a lot to learn young man. Quit thinking like a 16 year old Texan college football punk and start to think like an individual. Shame on you... What's with all the right wing RA RA American bull on this forum? You guys have lost the war, plain and simple. I only hope the Iraqi people can pick up where the lazy US military left off.

...now that's what I call liberal logic, let's hold the entire military or entire United States ,for that matter, accountable for the actions of a few derelicts!

What exactly is it you do on weekends there "warrior" ?
hang out at airports to spit on returning soldiers ??? or
host bake sales to benefit al quaida ?

[Wolverine]

So when marines busted into an insurgents neighbors house and found a peace loving family, then tortured them, raped their 13 year old daughter, then killed her parents they were doing good for the right wing christian US cause?? Read the papers, and not just your right wing bull....


Olskiier, you have a lot to learn young man. Quit thinking like a 16 year old Texan college football punk and start to think like an individual. Shame on you... What's with all the right wing RA RA American bull on this forum? You guys have lost the war, plain and simple. I only hope the Iraqi people can pick up where the lazy US military left off.

Exactly the type of "blame America first" mentality that prompted my "Clearing the air" thread in politics (where this thread belongs) which subsequently turned into a debate about blaming ourselves for the Iran hostage crisis in 1979 which surely could of been just provocation for every heinous act against the U.S. since...

[stinkydinarcrazedidiot]

I consider my self to be Irish, During the course of World War Two Ireland held an official policy of neutrality. So i would not be speaking german.Do you seriously think if Germany conquered and pacified the rest of europe that they would recognize a neutrals status?

[vrwc24]

Do you seriously think if Germany conquered and pacified the rest of europe that they would recognize a neutrals status?


I DO! They would have left the SWISS alone, and only out of fear. Everyone else would be speaking German.

[vrwc24]

Exactly the type of "blame America first" mentality that prompted my "Clearing the air" thread in politics (where this thread belongs) which subsequently turned into a debate about blaming ourselves for the Iran hostage crisis in 1979 which surely could of been just provocation for every heinous act against the U.S. since...

Militant Islam has been around since the 7th centuary. Correctly interpreted the text of the Koran promotes violence and global domination. Unfortunately, in the current environment of political correctness, these facts are suppressed.

[Mosul Mortar Dodger]

Dont believe everything that crazy, far left libs post on the internet.

[Mosul Mortar Dodger]

Militant Islam has been around since the 7th centuary. Correctly interpreted the text of the Koran promotes violence and global domination. Unfortunately, in the current environment of political correctness, these facts are suppressed.

I totally agree - but thank god we are keeping the notion of peace loving Muslim Majority.

What if all muslims found out that the only true way to follow mohamed and allah was to kill or tax non-believers.

The Peace that Islam wants is a world that worships Allah and follows Mohamed.

Only then, can world peace be acheived - in their minds.