Obama Proposes Pulling U.S. Troops Out of Iraq By End of 2008

[shevaub]

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the U.S. to pull all combat troops out of Iraq by the end of next year, saying there is no military solution to the conflict.
In excerpts from a speech he plans to give today in Clinton, Iowa, Obama, 46, a Democratic senator from Illinois, proposed removing one or two brigades every month and asking for a new constitutional convention in Iraq that wouldn't adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation.
``The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately being to remove our combat troops,'' Obama will say, according to excerpts of his speech. ``Not in six months or one year, now.''
President George W. Bush plans to announce tomorrow a plan to cut the number of troops in Iraq to 130,000, the level it was before he ordered a troop increase in January, as long as security progress continues, administration officials said.
``The president would have us believe there are two choices: keep all our troops in Iraq or abandon these Iraqis. I reject this choice,'' Obama says in the speech.
Obama said the United Nations should play a central role in convening and participating in a new constitutional convention for Iraq.
Also, the U.S. should contribute at least $2 billion to address Iraq's humanitarian crisis and form an international working group with the UN, European and Asian countries, as well as with Iraq's neighbors to provide aid to displaced Iraqis and refugees living beyond Iraq's borders, the text says.
Obama, who is working to counter claims from his rivals that he lacks the experience to deal with critical national security issues, says that what he lacks in experience he makes up for in judgment.
``Despite, or perhaps because of, how much experience they had in Washington, too many politicians feared looking weak and failed to ask hard questions,'' Obama said. ``Congress gave the president the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost.''

[skimin79]

That's because he is Al Qaeda's inside man.

[MonteandMe]

What people say trying to get in office is usually a far cry from what they do if they get in office.I don't think he has a chance so he is just saying things to make his party sound good for now.If the Iraq government would only get things done it would quiet these political rumblings down and they could talk real issues.Maybe they are using this as a reason not to talk about the housing loan crisis, the trade balance crisis, jobs here in the US and other issues that could bring down the country. The threats against the US dollar is enough to bring down the US financially and if these issues are not address it will only get worse and afar worse problem than Iraq.

[Voyeur]

I'm not worried, Obama is not going to be president. Voyeur:happy64:

[Nocturnal]

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the U.S. to pull all combat troops out of Iraq by the end of next year, saying there is no military solution to the conflict.
In excerpts from a speech he plans to give today in Clinton, Iowa, Obama, 46, a Democratic senator from Illinois, proposed removing one or two brigades every month and asking for a new constitutional convention in Iraq that wouldn't adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation.
``The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately being to remove our combat troops,'' Obama will say, according to excerpts of his speech. ``Not in six months or one year, now.''
President George W. Bush plans to announce tomorrow a plan to cut the number of troops in Iraq to 130,000, the level it was before he ordered a troop increase in January, as long as security progress continues, administration officials said.
``The president would have us believe there are two choices: keep all our troops in Iraq or abandon these Iraqis. I reject this choice,'' Obama says in the speech.
Obama said the United Nations should play a central role in convening and participating in a new constitutional convention for Iraq.
Also, the U.S. should contribute at least $2 billion to address Iraq's humanitarian crisis and form an international working group with the UN, European and Asian countries, as well as with Iraq's neighbors to provide aid to displaced Iraqis and refugees living beyond Iraq's borders, the text says.
Obama, who is working to counter claims from his rivals that he lacks the experience to deal with critical national security issues, says that what he lacks in experience he makes up for in judgment.
``Despite, or perhaps because of, how much experience they had in Washington, too many politicians feared looking weak and failed to ask hard questions,'' Obama said. ``Congress gave the president the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost.''

What exactly did he contribute to the Petrauos report again? :lmao: :lmao: (forgive my spelling error on his name)

[musclesjw]

he would !! :no: they must be related.............. :lmao: :lmao:

[Skyhawk]

he would !! :no: they must be related.............. :lmao: :lmao:

Sen. Obama the Muslim, Yes he was born and raised a Muslim, wants us to get out of his bretheren's land.

NOT RIGHT NOW. DO NOT LET THIS MUSLIM BECOME PRESIDENT PEOPLE.

SKYHAWK

[yunowu]

What people say trying to get in office is usually a far cry from what they do if they get in office.I don't think he has a chance so he is just saying things to make his party sound good for now.If the Iraq government would only get things done it would quiet these political rumblings down and they could talk real issues.Maybe they are using this as a reason not to talk about the housing loan crisis, the trade balance crisis, jobs here in the US and other issues that could bring down the country. The threats against the US dollar is enough to bring down the US financially and if these issues are not address it will only get worse and afar worse problem than Iraq.

Agreed !! We'll never leave Iraq !! The future of this country depends on that !! Politicians are just saying whatever to get themselves elected !! IT AIN't never gonna happen !! :wave: :wave:

[jram_00]

You see, therein lies the problem...

"Obama proposes....."

Muslims for Obama 08
http://muslimsforobama08.com/index.html


Barack Hussein Obama

He is the product of a black Muslim from Kenya, Barrack Hussein Obama, and a white atheist from Kansas, Shirley Ann Dunham, who met at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu.

Israel

Obama is regularly rated the “worst for Israel” of leading American presidential candidates by a panel assembled by the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz. But Klein’s remarks, an open letter to Obama from an Iowa Jewish leader concerned that Obama had spoken of Palestinian suffering, and a host of more quietly expressed concerns, produce a certain weary frustration in Obama’s Jewish backers, who include prominent supporters of Israel. Obama has explicitly rejected any moral equivalence between the two side of the conflict. He has made his support for Israel’s government abundantly clear, and even voted for a resolution in support of the recent Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

WASHINGTON (Map (http://www.examiner.com/map.cfm?latlong=38.9102 -77.0179&dateline=WASHINGTON), News (http://www.examiner.com/Dateline-WASHINGTON.html?cid=dateline)) - Although Sen. Barack Obama is a Christian, his childhood and family connections to Islam are beginning to complicate his presidential ambitions.
The Illinois Democrat spent much of last week refuting unfounded reports that he had been educated in a madrassa, or radical Islamic school, when he lived in Indonesia as a boy.
“The Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa,” said a statement put out by the senator’s staff.
But the school did teach the Quran, Islam’s holy book, along with subjects such as math and science, according to Obama, who attended when he was 9 and 10.

“In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school,” he wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from my Father.” “The teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.”
Obama — whose father, stepfather, brother and grandfather were Muslims — explained his own first name, Barack, in “Dreams”: “It means ‘Blessed.’ In Arabic. My grandfather was a Muslim.”
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Still, when his father, a black Kenyan named Barack Obama Sr., died in 1982, “the family wanted a Muslim burial,” Obama quoted his brother, Roy, as saying in “Dreams.”
The statement put out by Obama’s office last week referred to his father simply as “an atheist,” without mentioning his Muslim upbringing.
But with pundits already making faith a major issue in this presidential campaign — as evidenced by questions about Republican Mitt Romney’s Mormonism — Obama’s religious background is likely to come under further scrutiny.
“He comes from a father who was a Muslim,” said civil rights author Juan Williams of National Public Radio. “I mean, I think that given we’re at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem.”
Obama’s grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, for whom the senator was given his middle name, Hussein, was fiercely devoted to Islam, according to an account in “Dreams.” The grandfather, who died in 1979, was described by his widow when Obama visited Kenya in the late 1980s.
“What your grandfather respected was strength. Discipline,” Obama quoted his grandmother as telling him. “This is also why he rejected the Christian religion, I think.
“For a brief time, he converted, and even changed his name to Johnson. But he could not understand such ideas as mercy towards your enemies, or that this man Jesus could wash away a man’s sins.
“To your grandfather, this was foolish sentiment, something to comfort women,” she added. “And so he converted to Islam — he thought its practices conformed more closely to his beliefs.”
When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the family’s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, {another muslim}who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.
“During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.” “In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.”
Obama’s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.
“Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths,” Obama recalled. “He explained that a man took on the powers of whatever he ate: One day soon, he promised, he would bring home a piece of tiger meat for us to share.”
“It was to Lolo that I turned to for guidance and instruction,” Obama recalled. “He introduced me as his son.”
Although Obama wrote of “puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin’s call to evening prayer,” he was not raised as a Muslim, according to the senator’s office. Nor was he raised as a Christian by his mother, a white American named Ann Dunham who was deeply skeptical of religion.
“Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones,” Obama wrote. “For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.”
As a result, he said, “I was not raised in a religious household.”
Later in life, however, he was drawn to the writings of an influential American Muslim who served as the spokesman for the militant Nation of Islam.
“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will.”
He added: “Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”
While working as a community organizer for a group of churches in Chicago, Obama was repeatedly asked to join Christian congregations, but begged off.
“I remained a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won,” he wrote.
But after much soul searching, he eventually was baptized at Trinity United Church of Christ.
“It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear,” he explained. “But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.”
Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.
“The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”
Meanwhile, Obama remained sharply critical of what he called “the religious absolutism of the Christian right.”
In “Audacity,” the senator wrote that such believers insist “not only that Christianity is America’s dominant faith, but that a particular, fundamentalist brand of that faith should drive public policy, overriding any alternative source of understanding, whether the writings of liberal theologians, the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, or the words of Thomas Jefferson.”
As for the Democratic Party, Obama observed that “a core segment of our constituency remains stubbornly secular in orientation, and fears — rightly, no doubt — that the agenda of an assertively Christian nation may not make room for them or their life choices.”
Although the overwhelming majority of Americans describe themselves as Christians, Obama does not believe that any one religion should define the United States.
“We are no longer just a Christian nation,” he argues in “Audacity,” which was published last year. “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
Obama calls the Iraq war “a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country.” He is also protective of civil rights for Muslims in the U.S.
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama
» Born: Aug. 4, 1961, in Hawaii to Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.
» Education: Graduated from Columbia University in 1983; graduated in 1991 from Harvard Law School, where he was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.
» Family: He and wife, Michelle, were married in 1992. They have two daughters: Malia, 8, and Sasha, 4.
» Residence: Chicago’s South Side
» Political career: Served seven years in the Illinois state Senate; sworn in as U.S. senator in January 2005. Serves on the Environment and Public Works Committee, the Veterans’ Affairs Committee and the Foreign Relations Committee.

[DinarInANutHouse]

I'm not worried, Obama is not going to be president. Voyeur:happy64:

You got that right, brother!

[GClass]

I hope all of you choke on your supper in Nov '08 when Barack shocks the world and dominates the electoral college with sea of blue on the television. All ur faces will be :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! Flamin Red Elephants :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[KnightsCharger]

I hope all of you choke on your supper in Nov '08 when Barack shocks the world and dominates the electoral college with sea of blue on the television. All ur faces will be :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! Flamin Red Elephants :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

If your not just yanking peoples chains, then your an idiot. It won't be the right that brings Barrack Obama down. The Clinton smear machine is simply plotting their attacks on him. The right (like me) believe that although he his an exceptional speaker, he lacks a credible track record, has a dubiuos at best family history that can easily be brought for public consumption, that will seal the deal in his defeat. remember 85% of the US population believe in a christian GOD, that means that a large majority of dems do as well. He'll never get the nomination! Clinton Inc. will see to that!!!:lmao: And the repubs will take cheer as we watch the left eat their young again.

[jram_00]

If your not just yanking peoples chains, then your an idiot. It won't be the right that brings Barrack Obama down. The Clinton smear machine is simply plotting their attacks on him. The right (like me) believe that although he his an exceptional speaker, he lacks a credible track record, has a dubiuos at best family history that can easily be brought for public consumption, that will seal the deal in his defeat. remember 85% of the US population believe in a christian GOD, that means that a large majority of dems do as well. He'll never get the nomination! Clinton Inc. will see to that!!!:lmao: And the repubs will take cheer as we watch the left eat their young again.


I just made the same exact point to an friend of mine - who happens to work for Barack Osama.

"Anywho, Barack is just too un-experienced. He has a mean talk, but IM TELLING YOU, while I don't care about the article that I sent you, nor do I believe its premise, that Barack is a closet muslim, it just shows the sentiment that is REAL amongst the majority population that happens to associate with christianity, in one form or another. What Im saying is that the name itself...BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (one letter off from OSAMA), envokes memories of 9/11 and the anti-american arab rhetoric that is so rampant in the other part of the world. He will be "guilty by association". He's got too many conflicting groups that he's trying to please, and they will ultimately clash with each other and "bring his house down", so-to-speak.

A house divided cannot stand, as witnessed by the unravelling of the republican stranglehold on Congress, and soon the white house.

I will say this, I like the fact that he's a pot smoker.

But his stance on Iraq will ruin my investment (as you know, I own 1,562,000 Iraqi dinars), so call me daddy warbux, because we need a revaluation of the dinar in Iraq. THEN we can pull out. Gosh, I sound SOOOO selfish."
:D

[gmajo]

I hope all of you choke on your supper in Nov '08 when Barack shocks the world and dominates the electoral college with sea of blue on the television. All ur faces will be :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! Flamin Red Elephants :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
OH OKAY!!!!!!!!!DOMINATES THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE ??????GO BACK TO YOUR LITTLE CAVE AND HAVE A DRINK........:mad:

[TimP]

I hope all of you choke on your supper in Nov '08 when Barack shocks the world and dominates the electoral college with sea of blue on the television. All ur faces will be :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! Flamin Red Elephants :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Barack Hussein Obama....can you spell BAGGAGE?

...as in to much...

Never happen my friend. Sit down, shut up and drink yer KoolAide:drunk:

[jram_00]

I hope all of you choke on your supper in Nov '08 when Barack shocks the world and dominates the electoral college with sea of blue on the television. All ur faces will be :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! Flamin Red Elephants :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Gclass - seems as if you better find a different forum to pump your boy Barack.

I do not doubt that the EC could vote in a dumbocrat, as the repubs have all but shot themselves in the foot!! But its not Barack!!, lol.:lmao: :lmao:

[INRI]

Does it matter if I say that I will have a troop withdrawl in 2008 also? I, just like Barack am not going to be elected president. So stopping making such a fuss over what this peasant says he will do!! Barack has about the same odds as I do to win the presidentcy and I am not planning on running..At least not until an RV!:lmao:

[INRI]

Update*****

Rosie O' Donnell just said she will pull out troops if elected president in 2008!!!

Get the point??

This was a jest of course......

[INRI]

Update****

Man living inside a cave for 35 years says he will withdrawl troops in 2008 if elected president!

Get the drift.... Doesn't matter

Obama, O' Donnel, and Old Caver are people with no chance. Stop trying to give them one.

[Swoop737]

Let's just tell the enemy when we are going to surrender...that's a brilliant idea!

Friends don't let friends vote Democrat!

[Skyhawk]

Let's just tell the enemy when we are going to surrender...that's a brilliant idea!

Friends don't let friends vote Democrat!


Hey Swoop why is your plane so unstable.

Skyhawk
(cessna 172)

[burddogg]

The three stooges; Osama, Obama, and Ol' Mama! (Nyuck, Nyuck!)

[Mazin-Man]

I won't vote for him..Don't trust him no way!!