09-13-07

[shevaub]

As of Tuesday, day 1,638 of the Iraq War…

3,762 American service members have been reported killed.
27,848 have been reported wounded in action.
71,510 is the minimum number of civilian deaths due to violence.
$450.6 billion in taxpayer funds have been spent on the war, a year's salary for more than 7.8 million public school teachers.
Since the last Count…

23 more American service members have been reported killed.
186 more American service members have been reported wounded *
233 more Iraqi civilian deaths due to violence have been recorded.
59 percent of those responding to an Associated Press poll released Tuesday said they believe history will judge the Iraq War a complete or partial failure. Roughly 80 percent of Democrats polled responded that way, as did 60 percent of Independents and 30 percent of Republicans. 34 percent believe the war will be deemed a success.
30,000 is the number of troops Gen. David Petraeus plans to send home by next summer, representing only a return to the number of service members in Iraq before Bush ordered a surge of forces at the start of this year, Reuters reported of his congressional testimony.

[jhirsch5]

As of Tuesday, day 1,638 of the Iraq War…

3,762 American service members have been reported killed.
27,848 have been reported wounded in action.
71,510 is the minimum number of civilian deaths due to violence.
$450.6 billion in taxpayer funds have been spent on the war, a year's salary for more than 7.8 million public school teachers.Since the last Count…

23 more American service members have been reported killed.
186 more American service members have been reported wounded *
233 more Iraqi civilian deaths due to violence have been recorded.
59 percent of those responding to an Associated Press poll released Tuesday said they believe history will judge the Iraq War a complete or partial failure. Roughly 80 percent of Democrats polled responded that way, as did 60 percent of Independents and 30 percent of Republicans. 34 percent believe the war will be deemed a success.
30,000 is the number of troops Gen. David Petraeus plans to send home by next summer, representing only a return to the number of service members in Iraq before Bush ordered a surge of forces at the start of this year, Reuters reported of his congressional testimony.
So what is your point in this post?:confused:

[InHisService]

As of Tuesday, day 1,638 of the Iraq War…
3,762 American service members have been reported killed.
27,848 have been reported wounded in action.
71,510 is the minimum number of civilian deaths due to violence.
$450.6 billion in taxpayer funds have been spent on the war, a year's salary for more than 7.8 million public school teachers. Since the last Count…
23 more American service members have been reported killed.
186 more American service members have been reported wounded *
233 more Iraqi civilian deaths due to violence have been recorded.
59 percent of those responding to an Associated Press poll released Tuesday said they believe history will judge the Iraq War a complete or partial failure. Roughly 80 percent of Democrats polled responded that way, as did 60 percent of Independents and 30 percent of Republicans. 34 percent believe the war will be deemed a success.
30,000 is the number of troops Gen. David Petraeus plans to send home by next summer, representing only a return to the number of service members in Iraq before Bush ordered a surge of forces at the start of this year, Reuters reported of his congressional testimony.


For an investor you post pretty negative comments, at least all the ones I have read have been negative. I hope you do understand that much progress is being made in Iraq and believe it or not the surge is working. Also this post doesn't "paint" the entire picture of what is happening in Iraq. Yes, it is true what you have said, and your numbers are not superficially inflated, kudos for that :), but still there is a lot more going on than what you have stated.

As for the poll concerning history...the only way it will be deemed a failure is if we pull out. Bottom line, end of story. This is NOT another Vietnam, this is NOT an endless war, this is NOT a bottomless pit, this is a country that is figuring its way through democracy after GENERATIONS of oppression. It was foolish to think even America could pull this off in a few years...it will be AMAZING when we look at Iraq ten years from the fall of Saddam. History will, as long as we stay in the fight, find that America did a good thing.

As for the political bickering that is going on. I find it very distressing. I don't remember who said it but someone said great civilizations never fall apart from invaders, the fall apart from within. Right now the democrats are preaching and teaching that the US is a divided nation...different opinions, social status, and demographics do not make the US of A two nations. That is BULL CRAP and whether we want to see it or not is socialistic propaganda. Sorry for the conspiracy theory but such mongering only divides and never unifies.

I've ranted and do apologize. Hope y'all have a great day!

[mik]

As an investor I wish harm to nonone I would gladly give back all IQD at 100% loss if it would return all Militery members home now. I don't control where or who we fight protect or stick our noses.

[stayfrosty5]

So what is your point in this post?:confused:

The "point," is in the facts. Interpret them as you wish.

Good post shevaub!!!

frosty

[LITTLEBUG]

!@#$%^&!@#$%^@#$%

[cleodog]

The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths about 5 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost around 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.

How many do you think would be dead today if we let Hitler Win?

I think in comparison we are doing a great job in Iraq, don't you think???

[Goes4ever]

I think in comparison we are doing a great job in Iraq, don't you think???

yes absolutely!:clapping:

[shevaub]

The "point," is in the facts. Interpret them as you wish.

Good post shevaub!!!

frosty

Thanks!!!!!

[jhirsch5]

I still don't get. I guess I am just dense. I could see if that was posted with some kind of comment and "The point is not in the post". It is what it is. A tally, or a bias numbers list.

The post does not accurately depict anything. It only encapsulates numbers, not important things such as why they died and why things are as they are. I understand why we are in Iraq and I understand that it will come with a price. Were you hoping to show a receipt for that price?

We all must understand we are hoping to get rich off of the blood of American and international soldiers. We are hoping to get rich off of the blood of the Iraqi people who have been senselessly slaughtered. You want a tally? How about how much of a moral dilemma we have cashing in on all our Dinar knowing these things?

[Crow]

I still don't get. I guess I am just dense. I could see if that was posted with some kind of comment and "The point is not in the post". It is what it is. A tally, or a bias numbers list.

The post does not accurately depict anything. It only encapsulates numbers, not important things such as why they died and why things are as they are. I understand why we are in Iraq and I understand that it will come with a price. Were you hoping to show a receipt for that price?

We all must understand we are hoping to get rich off of the blood of American and international soldiers. We are hoping to get rich off of the blood of the Iraqi people who have been senselessly slaughtered. You want a tally? How about how much of a moral dilemma we have cashing in on all our Dinar knowing these things?
No, we are taking a chance and supporting the Iraqi Goverment and people, investing in the ISX,( when nobody would ) and supporting the dinar, plus many here are soldiers and others who have helped the people of Iraq, so I don't want to hear that crap.If things work out and we make some money, we earned it, I support the Iraqi people and the people trying to help them! GOD IS GREAT! CROW

[Crow]

I still don't get. I guess I am just dense. I could see if that was posted with some kind of comment and "The point is not in the post". It is what it is. A tally, or a bias numbers list.

The post does not accurately depict anything. It only encapsulates numbers, not important things such as why they died and why things are as they are. I understand why we are in Iraq and I understand that it will come with a price. Were you hoping to show a receipt for that price?

We all must understand we are hoping to get rich off of the blood of American and international soldiers. We are hoping to get rich off of the blood of the Iraqi people who have been senselessly slaughtered. You want a tally? How about how much of a moral dilemma we have cashing in on all our Dinar knowing these things?

I don't mean to come off harsh.

[TimP]

So what is your point in this post?:confused:

The point is that shevaub has an agenda and is announcing where he/she stands.

Great reply there InHisService. Dittos Crow!

Those who gave their all in this war are be honored.

We lost more lives, in one day, in one training accident during WWII. Not intending to lessen or demean...just offer some perspective.

There is only one way to lose this war. The enemy can not defeat our forces on the field of battle. When are these people going to realize that this is a REAL WAR and not just politics?

[jhirsch5]

I don't mean to come off harsh.

I do not think you are harsh, but I see it differently. I certainly do not think we have earned anything. How are we earning "it"? I am sitting in my nice air conditioned home with a full stomach from a wonderful dinner.

I have not had any explosions in my neighborhood. I have not had family members kidnapped. I have electricity around the clock. My paychecks are cashed for American currency. I really have it good.

Does me having spent $1,600.00 dollars for a pocket full of Dinar give me an equal standing with anyone in Iraq? The only chance I have taken is I might loose that $1,600 dollars. I do not fear death squads or the Tali-ban or IEDs.

I think that it is wrong to make a post like the one SCHEVAUB did; not for the post it self but for not expressing what I guess are his/her views. There were no views posted. Just that list. That is my point. We are discussing our views due to that post but SCHEVAUB never did. I think it was wrong to post like that.

I have been a police officer for almost two decades. I have put plenty people in jail, I have won cases and lost cases, I have seen people die, I have saved peoples lives.

If I were to put my career into numbers and bullet points it would only tell part of the story. Every one of those numbers listed has more to it other that just the number and bullet point. Am I explaining myself better?

If you were to say "3,000 dead because"....and give everyone of those numbers the credit and honor they deserve by telling the whole story of how they wound up one of the 3,000 then you have something.

I hate seeing posts like that because it does NO good. Alls I ask is to tell the whole story preferably from what ever your point of view is. Don't just post numbers and bullet statements that was regurgitated from some other source.

How often do we post here and ask for links or references so we can read the whole article in its entirety? It is no different than the person who only quotes sections of the Bible. When you go and read the versus before and after their quote you often find it was taken out of context just to fit their specific need.

Does this make sense? :shake: I never think anyone who posts his or her opinion is harsh. I just think it was posted with no opinion.

[LakewayDaze!]

For an investor you post pretty negative comments, at least all the ones I have read have been negative. I hope you do understand that much progress is being made in Iraq and believe it or not the surge is working. Also this post doesn't "paint" the entire picture of what is happening in Iraq. Yes, it is true what you have said, and your numbers are not superficially inflated, kudos for that :), but still there is a lot more going on than what you have stated.

As for the poll concerning history...the only way it will be deemed a failure is if we pull out. Bottom line, end of story. This is NOT another Vietnam, this is NOT an endless war, this is NOT a bottomless pit, this is a country that is figuring its way through democracy after GENERATIONS of oppression. It was foolish to think even America could pull this off in a few years...it will be AMAZING when we look at Iraq ten years from the fall of Saddam. History will, as long as we stay in the fight, find that America did a good thing.

As for the political bickering that is going on. I find it very distressing. I don't remember who said it but someone said great civilizations never fall apart from invaders, the fall apart from within. Right now the democrats are preaching and teaching that the US is a divided nation...different opinions, social status, and demographics do not make the US of A two nations. That is BULL CRAP and whether we want to see it or not is socialistic propaganda. Sorry for the conspiracy theory but such mongering only divides and never unifies.

I've ranted and do apologize. Hope y'all have a great day!


Good points....Many Thanks! :handshake:

Jhirsh5 your correct in that it comes across as a negative post. It is factual although negative and I agree serves no purpose. I took it as simply pointing out the BAD things that are happening in this war without mentioning anything good. Don't we already get more than enough of that sort of stuff from the media already??

BTW thanks for serving as an officer all these years. I am sure you have done your share and deserve to make some profit after serving for so long. Thanks again...

[Crow]

I do not think you are harsh, but I see it differently. I certainly do not think we have earned anything. How are we earning "it"? I am sitting in my nice air conditioned home with a full stomach from a wonderful dinner.

I have not had any explosions in my neighborhood. I have not had family members kidnapped. I have electricity around the clock. My paychecks are cashed for American currency. I really have it good.

Does me having spent $1,600.00 dollars for a pocket full of Dinar give me an equal standing with anyone in Iraq? The only chance I have taken is I might loose that $1,600 dollars. I do not fear death squads or the Tali-ban or IEDs.

I think that it is wrong to make a post like the one SCHEVAUB did; not for the post it self but for not expressing what I guess are his/her views. There were no views posted. Just that list. That is my point. We are discussing our views due to that post but SCHEVAUB never did. I think it was wrong to post like that.

I have been a police officer for almost two decades. I have put plenty people in jail, I have won cases and lost cases, I have seen people die, I have saved peoples lives.

If I were to put my career into numbers and bullet points it would only tell part of the story. Every one of those numbers listed has more to it other that just the number and bullet point. Am I explaining myself better?

If you were to say "3,000 dead because"....and give everyone of those numbers the credit and honor they deserve by telling the whole story of how they wound up one of the 3,000 then you have something.

I hate seeing posts like that because it does NO good. Alls I ask is to tell the whole story preferably from what ever your point of view is. Don't just post numbers and bullet statements that was regurgitated from some other source.

How often do we post here and ask for links or references so we can read the whole article in its entirety? It is no different than the person who only quotes sections of the Bible. When you go and read the versus before and after their quote you often find it was taken out of context just to fit their specific need.

Does this make sense? :shake: I never think anyone who posts his or her opinion is harsh. I just think it was posted with no opinion.

Where are you? Are you in Iraq?If you are, then peace out, if not then don't preach.CROW

[jhirsch5]

Good points....Many Thanks! :handshake:

Jhirsh5 your correct in that it comes across as a negative post. It is factual although negative and I agree serves no purpose. I took it as simply pointing out the BAD things that are happening in this war without mentioning anything good. Don't we already get more than enough of that sort of stuff from the media already??

BTW thanks for serving as an officer all these years. I am sure you have done your share and deserve to make some profit after serving for so long. Thanks again...

Thank you LakewayDaze!!! It has been my pleasure to serve as a police officer in three states. As bad as it gets here sometimes America is a wonderful place. :rock:

[Crow]

Where are you? Are you in Iraq?If you are, then peace out, if not then don't preach.CROW
jhirsch5, don't mean nothing by it, just a bad day.CROW

[TimP]

Thank you LakewayDaze!!! It has been my pleasure to serve as a police officer in three states. As bad as it gets here sometimes America is a wonderful place. :rock:

jhirsch5 - Good post, well said.
I have been 22 years on the job...six more to go and I pull the plug:happy64:
Be careful out there!

[BABYBULL24]

As of Tuesday, day 1,638 of the Iraq War…

3,762 American service members have been reported killed.
27,848 have been reported wounded in action.
71,510 is the minimum number of civilian deaths due to violence.
$450.6 billion in taxpayer funds have been spent on the war, a year's salary for more than 7.8 million public school teachers.
Since the last Count…

23 more American service members have been reported killed.
186 more American service members have been reported wounded *
233 more Iraqi civilian deaths due to violence have been recorded.
59 percent of those responding to an Associated Press poll released Tuesday said they believe history will judge the Iraq War a complete or partial failure. Roughly 80 percent of Democrats polled responded that way, as did 60 percent of Independents and 30 percent of Republicans. 34 percent believe the war will be deemed a success.
30,000 is the number of troops Gen. David Petraeus plans to send home by next summer, representing only a return to the number of service members in Iraq before Bush ordered a surge of forces at the start of this year, Reuters reported of his congressional testimony.

Hillary,

Is that you?