Alan Greenspan claims Iraq War was really for Oil

[Seaview]

AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.

Greenspan, 81, is understood to believe that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East.

Britain and America have always insisted the war had nothing to do with oil. Bush said the aim was to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and end Saddam’s support for terrorism.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece

[LakewayDaze!]

I don't think this is going to really shock a lot of people at this time. :fubar:

[Larry]

How could this shock anybody? Everyone already knows it is true.

[TimP]

Because you are "America's Elder Statesman of Finance" does not mean that you know dick about foreign policy.

The continuing story of the continuing attack on this President and his administration.

Nothing to see here folks, move along please....

[furnizpr]

Wao! After all these years , that man finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel. Sure that is truth!! Bush invented 9/11 to get an excuse to invade the middle east. Everything is for the money!!! Amen for that man! Now is time for a RV!!!

[fproano]

http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.htmlSo the question is, if we went into Iraq for Oil who knew about it before we went into Iraq and does it mean these people are co conspirators to this invasion?

[Ialdoboath]

I suspect there are many who would argue that it was not about the oil even if Bush himself came out and admitted it.





Because you are "America's Elder Statesman of Finance" does not mean that you know dick about foreign policy.

The continuing story of the continuing attack on this President and his administration.

Nothing to see here folks, move along please....

[Sporter]

Because you are "America's Elder Statesman of Finance" does not mean that you know dick about foreign policy.

The continuing story of the continuing attack on this President and his administration.

Nothing to see here folks, move along please....

"Well who did you think had to endorse the "Federal Reserve Chairman"?.:giggle: Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush!. On Aug. 11, 1987 Alan Greenspan was sworn in as chairman of the Federal Reserve.

[coconut]

Sells more books - bottom line.

[Howler]

OIl was a huge part of it!
Greenspan being a numbers guy just cant see beyond his charts! LOL
Iraq was just the beginning of the new crusades.

[fproano]

Why would Alan Greenspan actually say something like this, he was the Chairman of the federal reserve, this is very serious or am I reading to much into this? It would explain why Alan Greenspan retired.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10004681.shtml

[removed account per user]

Obviously, its about not letting a madman (Saddam) get a hold of $1 trillion in oil. With that much money, a madman can do a lot of killing. He was paying suicide bombers $25,000 per massacre in Israel. Do the math.

Meanwhile the liberals try to say that America is stealing the oil, or somehow prospering at the expense of the Iraqis, which is a treasonous lie...

[floydsboys]

For what ever reason we are in Iraq it was ill planed & badly acted out.

There are parties unknown that wish for a new world order & this was part of the plan.

There isn't a plan for victory it was just to get us there & to not leave.

It's a big screw up & I would say that that was the plan from the start.

[REITman]

Bush invented 9/11

Huh!?? :giggle:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/jellery/looney_group.jpg

[RotaryRevn]

If he couldn't see the corruption in the lending business, how can one expect him to know what was going on with the war in Iraq! :giggle:





:dance: Greenspan: ‘I Really Didn’t Get It’ (http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=3422):dance:






Readers looked at a topic on next weeks Fed meeting and the former chairmans interview on 60 minutes this weekend. “I think the Greenspan article is veerrry interesting. It will relieve some of the rate-cutting pressure on Bernanke, as more people realize that he shouldn’t cut as low as AG did. Perhaps they may go so far as to realize that causing some pain by leaving interest rates (relatively) high is in their long-term best interest.”
“From that interview (http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070913/usa_economy_greenspan.html?.v=4): “Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he was late to see the storm gathering around mortgage lending practices and commended his successor Ben Bernanke’s handling of the crisis, saying he would likely be responding in a similar fashion.”
“‘I think he is doing an excellent job,’ Greenspan said of Bernanke in a television interview scheduled to air on Sunday.”
“Greenspan was asked if he would lower interest rates as dramatically and quickly now as he did just ahead of, during and in the wake of the 2001 recession, according to excerpts of the CBS ‘60 Minutes’ interview released on Thursday.”
“‘I’m not sure that’s true,’ he said. ‘We were dealing with an environment back then when inflation was easing. We could have acted without the fear of stoking inflationary pressures.’”
“‘You can’t do that anymore. … I’m not sure I would have done anything different (if chairman today),’ he added.”
“Bernanke’s Fed has come under fire from some quarters for not acknowledging quickly enough how deeply the current crisis could harm the economy or responding aggressively enough to keep the U.S. expansion on track. Some analysts have speculated that Greenspan would have acted more swiftly.”
“Bernanke and his colleagues meet on Tuesday. They are widely expected to lower benchmark overnight interest rates, which the Fed has held at 5.25 percent since June 2006, by at least a quarter-percentage point.”
“Greenspan…said that as Fed chief he knew about questionable lending practices that were leaving subprime borrowers with adjustable rate loans vulnerable to harm from rising interest rates, but did not recognize those loans would trigger broader problems until fairly recently, CBS said.”
“‘While I was aware a lot of these practices were going on, I had no notion of how significant they had become until very late,’ Greenspan said. ‘I really didn’t get it until very late in 2005 and 2006.’”
One said, “To me, the most interesting question of all is whether AG’s candid admission of ignorance on the severe problems which would result from the lending industry’s abandoning traditional lending standards and making Jumbo loans for McMansion purchases to anyone who could breath should be taken at face value, or if they represent a calculated dilution of Greenspan Fed culpability.”
“It would look much worse if he was perceived as having cognizantly watched the seeds of a future banking crisis get planted under his nose.”
“Now that AG is openly lamenting the folly of giving loans to help low income buyers purchase houses they cannot afford, will Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and HUD (not to mention certain high-profile members of Congress) stop encouraging the practice?”
“At any rate, it is about time that AG stepped up and took some of the weight of blame for the current crisis (the root causes of which predate AG’s retirement) off of BB’s shoulders.”
Another added, “There is no way we can avoid Fed-talk under current circumstances. It’s the moment of truth. ABCP credit is deflating, the stock market looks wobbly, banks are approaching the discount window, and consumers are grasping for their last line. Add to that, rising inflation and the falling dollar. It looks like we are at sixes and sevens.”
One imagined, “I can just see the headlines now: ‘Greenspan: I really didn’t get it.’”
One looked at the public perception, “Most regular J6p’s dont think about, dont know about, and cant understand the situation that is staring the central banks’s directly in the face.”
“Why is the common theme of restoring confidence centering around a rate cut? I think it may be probable that confidence can only be returned through the pain of failure. All the kool-aid drinkers need a slap in the face.”
“A rate cut for this bloggger does not restore confidence, a rate cut increases the fear of more ’shoe-dropping’ going forward. Confidence can only be restored by allowing failure of market participnants who gambled and LOST coupled with significant risk repricing and an S&P 500 of around 1100.”

[el borregon 11]

Please Do Not Forget That Usa Has Turned The Other Way For Years When Attacked. The Attack That Happened In our Contry Was Not About Oil. How Many Times Are You Going To Try To Convience The World That I, And The Rest Of Us Are Risking Our Life, For Oil. I Have Lost Co- Workers Over Here For The Freedom Of Our World.for The Good Poeple In Iraq. The Scared Poeple In Iraq. The Iraqi's Hear You To, When You Try To Convience The World To Leave Iraq, Again.they Are Slowly Gaining Confidence, That They Can Stand Up And Fight, And That Thier Supporters Are Not Going To Run Off And Leave Them, Again. Maybe You And Your Followers Should Come To Iraq And Spend Three Years Over Here So You Can Understand The Country And Its Problems.all I Am Asking Is Please Think About Who You Are Hurting When You Speak. Thier Is More Then Thirty Contries Risking Thier Life For The Future Generations To Come. I Have Enough Problems With My Family. I Do Not Need You To Confuse Them As To Why Some Day I May Not Come Back To Them Because Of The Oil,.. No No No... Think That Like Me, Thier Is A Half A Million Americans That Are Out Thier With Out a Gun But Supporting Any Way.you Do The Math With The Rest Of Nationalities That Are Out Here.

[JUSTAGIRL]

Why would Alan Greenspan actually say something like this, he was the Chairman of the federal reserve, this is very serious or am I reading to much into this? It would explain why Alan Greenspan retired.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10004681.shtml

That's right - Greenspan has been spun out for several years - that's why my Daddy calls him "Greenspun":tongueout:

[SEABEE CAN-DO]

Who cares? I don't oil or not oil.. who cares. It is the fault of the voter when it comes to where we get oil and how much we pay for it... We have more than enough oil here in the USA but we will never get it due to judges and voters allowing the Enviromentlist control everything. Why ?

[jimbo]

"Well who did you think had to endorse the "Federal Reserve Chairman"?.:giggle: Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush!. On Aug. 11, 1987 Alan Greenspan was sworn in as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
This makes me think that the war in Iraq has been in the making way before 9/11. Bush Jr. was just the puppet for going into war. For Alan Greenspan to come out and say this will carry alot of merit with the American people!! This is not good. People will start looking at this war alot different than they do now. Sure alot of us new it was about the oil. However the average Joe out their is really going to start looking at this as a conspiracy!! THis is not good. I can just imagine what talk radio is going to be saying. The tables are turning. Greenspan will go to his grave telling the American people the truth.

[jimbo]

That's right - Greenspan has been spun out for several years - that's why my Daddy calls him "Greenspun":tongueout:
I have always looked at Greenspan as a man who has alot of wisdom and knowledge about the American economy. He knows that in a matter of time the American economy will collapse! He has even predicted the U. S. will go into a recession by December. I'm affraid he also realizes that this country will also hit a depression! And he knows that with the dollar loosing value it also will collaspes!! Get ready.

Who knows maybe the Dinar may be worth more that the U.S. dollar sooner than we think!

[revjhg]

Why would Alan Greenspan actually say something like this, he was the Chairman of the federal reserve, this is very serious or am I reading to much into this? It would explain why Alan Greenspan retired.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10004681.shtml

:rofl::rofl::rofl: That is hilarious. The man is only about a hundred! I'm sure that has nothing to do with his decision to retire though. It must have been this Iraq oil conspiracy. Come on man.:rolleye03

[dinar shore]

Why would Alan Greenspan actually say something like this, he was the Chairman of the federal reserve, this is very serious or am I reading to much into this? It would explain why Alan Greenspan retired.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10004681.shtml

Why didn't the journalist who did this story preface the interview with asking this financial demigod if he was a registered Democrat or Republican?

Answer: Because he is a liberal Democrat who is likely being directed by the Dems (a.k.a. - moveon.org) to continue to subvert Bush on the war in Iraq and all other Republicans running in 2008. All you have to know is that the interview with Greenspan premiers tomorrow on '60 Minutes' to know the gist and purpose.

[Ialdoboath]

Greenspan is a registered Republican, and for years was the wonderkid of Republican economic policy.



Why didn't the journalist who did this story preface the interview with asking this financial demigod if he was a registered Democrat or Republican?

Answer: Because he is a liberal Democrat who is likely being directed by the Dems (a.k.a. - moveon.org) to continue to subvert Bush on the war in Iraq and all other Republicans running in 2008. All you have to know is that the interview with Greenspan premiers tomorrow on '60 Minutes' to know the gist and purpose.

[Shau - Kenshin]

Greenspan is a registered Republican, and for years was the wonderkid of Republican economic policy.


We are also forgetting that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a PRIVATELY OWNED BANK and is in NO WAY connected to the US federal trust.

Talk about the attacks that happened on 911 is meaningless (not the act but in comparison to the war.. dude that day sucked so dont go there with me!)considering none of the guys who flew the planes were IRAQIS. And since the whole of their oil has been under sanctions for the last umteen years, it basicly has NOT been tapped into, so you have 115 billion barrals of oil selling at $60 gives you 18. (sumthin) TRILLION dollars worth. And speculation of up to 300 billion barrals can give you damn near over 50 TRILLION dollars worth, with an economy that is at least over 5 trillion dollars and debt and conserns of China getting beg in the next 10 to 15 years, WHAT IN THE HELL DID YOU THINK this war was about.

Freedom?
Democracy?
Saving the good people of Iraq?

If that was the case why the hell is Darfur still in the crapper, why are women being raped tortured and killed there. Rawanda? How many HOUNDREDS of thousands died there?

We went there because we all know that OIL runs this world we live in. From cars to plastics to petrolium jelly when nites are lonely :hi: (not that I know ....... .....) our economies RUN on this stuff, and we can get in there and get it! THATS WHY WE'RE THERE.

Weapons of mass destruction, yellow cake in africa, freedom, democracy, bringing down a tyrant, terrorist connections, all these were the reasons to go in, how many have been proven false?

So now we keep the freedom and democracy, the others we dont talk about. It comes down to the U.S. doing whatever it has to to be top dog. Like it or love it, this is the most powerful country for a REASON, and its practices to be that arent always noble. :swear:

But it is, what it is. Love it, hate it, whatever, just live with it!

[yunowu]

Sells more books - bottom line.

Yep !! Good'ol capitalism !! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[BugmanIraq]

I wonder what he will say when he finds out Americans date to have sex.

[Gladiator]

Of course access to the oil market is a vital interest (and ensuring such access is justifiable). But Greenspan’s comment is meant only to stir political emotions. It was not made to encourage rational discussion.

Take a look at the context. The Petraeus report turns everything in Bush’s favor. For anyone who thinks Greenspan’s comments can be taken seriously, have a little self respect and realize this comment by Greenspan can only be politically motivated. His political label, just like that of people like Senator Hagel, is nothing but cover.

[Money4Nothin']

DUH!!! Why do you think we spend so much on Isreal? Because we like them so much? Geographically they are very important to keeping the oil moving. They have no oil, but they do have a major shipping lane out their front door. If that gets shut down or disrupted for any reason alot of problems will appear almost instantly. We need Iraqs oil, the whole world does, whether it's the reason or not is a moot point at this stage of the game. He said, she said, we said, they said, what the hells the difference now. People have been dying for less for centuries. Think about it when you drive your car around the corner to get a newspaper because you're too lazy to walk for it. We are a glutanous nation and until the bottom falls out from under our sorry butts, nothing will ever change. Big business runs this country and big business will ruin this country. They are well on their way to doing just that. Bush has nothing to do with it, AT ALL!!! He is nothing but an icon for the front pages of the newspaper you're too lazy to go get. Personally, I can't stand the man. I look at people at a very basic level. Would I want this guy over to my house for a couple of beers and a BBQ? Maybe alittle intelligent conversation? (hang on I just pissed myself) Sorry if this offends some people, I really am. The facts still remain, all you have to do is take off the blinders and take a look around. This country is on the verge of going in the tank. The ones that will get through it, are the ones that have been paying attention. The ones that will be screaming "Oh Lord what will become of us?" are the ones that believed everything they were told because of who said it. I'm sure most will dismiss this as just the ramblings of a bed wetting liberal. Not true folks, it's coming down to basics for this country. Glad I know how to hunt and fish, better stock up. You might want to ponder this for 30 seconds or so, but only if you have the time.

[WAYNE T]

If Iraq's great wealth was corn, would we have invaded? Or how about a fishing wealth. Or a great timber empire. Would we be involved in Iraq? I think, the fact that GW junior was an oilman, is an oilman, speaks volumns. It doesn't take a great literist to read that book. And with the state of GW's IQ it is written in cartoon style.

[floydsboys]

Oil is money. Money is power!

When the oil runs out the power will control what ever replaces it.

Conservative or Liberal it makes no difference in government. They are all out to pick our pockets. They all are in the hands of big oil.

It's just that the conservatives dig deeper in to the masses pockets to get what they consider theirs. They want it all.

While a liberal will say we need to throw some crumbs to the masses once in a while.

Electing some one else don't help. They join the rest or the rest will ignore them.

[tmorr37]

Who cares? I don't oil or not oil.. who cares. It is the fault of the voter when it comes to where we get oil and how much we pay for it... We have more than enough oil here in the USA but we will never get it due to judges and voters allowing the Enviromentlist control everything. Why ?

Why? Because Move On dot Org and the Daily Kos are supporters and Major contributors of the Dem Party back by Socialist such as George Soros. The Entire Dem party answers to them.
Where is the outrage. Where is the investigations by the Media. Not one Dem has ever said anything against MoveOn or Organizations like Code Pink, NOT ONE.
MoveOn was created as a Clinton front group to move on during the Clinton allegations.

[Gladiator]

DUH!!! Why do you think we spend so much on Isreal? Because we like them so much? Geographically they are very important to keeping the oil moving. They have no oil, but they do have a major shipping lane out their front door. If that gets shut down or disrupted for any reason alot of problems will appear almost instantly. We need Iraqs oil, the whole world does, whether it's the reason or not is a moot point at this stage of the game. He said, she said, we said, they said, what the hells the difference now. People have been dying for less for centuries. Think about it when you drive your car around the corner to get a newspaper because you're too lazy to walk for it. We are a glutanous nation and until the bottom falls out from under our sorry butts, nothing will ever change. Big business runs this country and big business will ruin this country. They are well on their way to doing just that. Bush has nothing to do with it, AT ALL!!! He is nothing but an icon for the front pages of the newspaper you're too lazy to go get. Personally, I can't stand the man. I look at people at a very basic level. Would I want this guy over to my house for a couple of beers and a BBQ? Maybe alittle intelligent conversation? (hang on I just pissed myself) Sorry if this offends some people, I really am. The facts still remain, all you have to do is take off the blinders and take a look around. This country is on the verge of going in the tank. The ones that will get through it, are the ones that have been paying attention. The ones that will be screaming "Oh Lord what will become of us?" are the ones that believed everything they were told because of who said it. I'm sure most will dismiss this as just the ramblings of a bed wetting liberal. Not true folks, it's coming down to basics for this country. Glad I know how to hunt and fish, better stock up. You might want to ponder this for 30 seconds or so, but only if you have the time.



This country is run, as it has been since its beginning, by the force of many individuals acting on a combination of big dreams and hard work tempered by deep moral conviction. Yes, violation of morals touches each individual (as we learn from the Bible), but we succeed to the extent that we as individuals keep such violation at bay.

We support Israel because they share our moral philosophy. Leftists cannot grasp this because leftists do not understand the concept of absolute morals.

Alan Greenspan is now officially a political hack.

[tmorr37]

If Iraq's great wealth was corn, would we have invaded? Or how about a fishing wealth. Or a great timber empire. Would we be involved in Iraq? I think, the fact that GW junior was an oilman, is an oilman, speaks volumns. It doesn't take a great literist to read that book. And with the state of GW's IQ it is written in cartoon style.


If Iraq's great wealth was corn,

If corn was the major food that the world depended on the answer is YES.
While saying the war was for Oil is mostly True, but it is not so in the sense that the Left would have you believe.
The Left would have you believe that it is Evil Oil Men and their greed and conspiracies.
How about the plain and obvious fact Oil is the life Blood of the World Economy and survival.
All those in the world that wish to control it, such as Extremist Islam. But nobody really talks about it. Why is this not covered in the Media?
More frightening is the fact that most people just accept it as Fact without question

[floydsboys]

Why? Because Move On dot Org and the Daily Kos are supporters and Major contributors of the Dem Party back by Socialist such as George Soros. The Entire Dem party answers to them.
Where is the outrage. Where is the investigations by the Media. Not one Dem has ever said anything against MoveOn or Organizations like Code Pink, NOT ONE.
MoveOn was created as a Clinton front group to move on during the Clinton allagations.

Why must we argue about the politics?
It just a game being played & w are just pawns in the game.
Do you really think that if most of us here had any real power or influence that we would be spending our time here?

Conservative, Liberal it's just a smoke screen to divert our attention from the real agenda that the those in power have in mind.

Same with race, abortion, gay rights. Keep the masses busy with all of that stuff & they can do what they want with the government.

[Gladiator]

If Iraq's great wealth was corn, would we have invaded? Or how about a fishing wealth. Or a great timber empire. Would we be involved in Iraq? I think, the fact that GW junior was an oilman, is an oilman, speaks volumns. It doesn't take a great literist to read that book. And with the state of GW's IQ it is written in cartoon style.


It doesn’t matter. Saddam could have been knitting sweaters or baking cookies, but as long as he was practicing tyranny while cultivating terrorists in a post-911 world, we would have nailed him.

Whenever the United States successfully defeats a tyrannical regime, free markets expand and that includes corn, timber or petroleum. President Bush is advancing the interest of capitalism, democracy and freedom and Democrats can’t stand it.

[Gladiator]

Why must we argue about the politics?
It just a game being played & w are just pawns in the game.
Do you really think that if most of us here had any real power or influence that we would be spending our time here?

Conservative, Liberal it's just a smoke screen to divert our attention from the real agenda that the those in power have in mind.

Same with race, abortion, gay rights. Keep the masses busy with all of that stuff & they can do what they want with the government.


Yes, sometimes it’s hard to see through all the corruption. But no matter how many Hillary Clintons, Harry Reids or Larry Craigs are able to grab positions of power for their own personal ambitions, conservative principles still run the lives of most people and conservative ideals will never be defeated by the fraudulent actions of leftists or false conservative leaders.

[tmorr37]

Why must we argue about the politics?
It just a game being played & w are just pawns in the game.
Do you really think that if most of us here had any real power or influence that we would be spending our time here?

Conservative, Liberal it's just a smoke screen to divert our attention from the real agenda that the those in power have in mind.

Same with race, abortion, gay rights. Keep the masses busy with all of that stuff & they can do what they want with the government.

Why must we argue about the politics?

Our founding fathers warned us of this. We the people ARE the government. If we do not watch over it then we will lose it.
Look around, 95% of the people are out their sleeping totally unaware or care of what is going on.
While we were sleeping we lost of country. Government gets bigger everyday.

[floydsboys]

It doesn’t matter. Saddam could have been knitting sweaters or baking cookies, but as long as he was practicing tyranny while cultivating terrorists in a post-911 world, we would have nailed him.

Whenever the United States successfully defeats a tyrannical regime, free markets expand and that includes corn, timber or petroleum. President Bush is advancing the interest of capitalism, democracy and freedom and Democrats can’t stand it.


George Bush is the front man for the New World Order.

This is good for those that have a lot but not so good for the average American.

Some one once put it that 15% of the people in the US come out ahead in life, the other 85% end up on the short end of the stick.

I think that if the numbers were redone you would find that an even larger number of US people would be on the short end.

So you tell me why a few having more of every thing is good for most of the people that have to keep this country going.

Isn't Democracy about every one taking part?

What is wrong about improving the percentage a bit of the people that come out ahead in life? Like maybe down the road aways it could be 20%
of those on the plus side?

It's not about taking away from any one, but to stop using the government to fatten a few pockets.

[floydsboys]

Why must we argue about the politics?

Our founding fathers warned us of this. We the people ARE the government. If we do not watch over it then we will lose it.
Look around, 95% of the people are out their sleeping totally unaware or care of what is going on.
While we were sleeping we lost of country. Government gets bigger everyday.

That's just the thing, we have lost the government.

It is just a arm of Big business.

So what are the rest of us doing. We are trying to pick sides when there is in truth no difference to chose from.

We have to see it is them against us & not us against us.

As long a we argue Democrat Vs Republican we lose.

The sad part is that no matter who we choose to represent us they will end up going over to the other side or just being ineffective.
And we will still be arguing with each other.

[tmorr37]

Don't worry, It's all about Oil

Israelis 'blew apart Syrian nuclear cache'... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece)
Secret raid on Korean shipment

Nothing to see here move along go back to sleep

[SEABEE CAN-DO]

Why must we argue about the politics?
It just a game being played & w are just pawns in the game.
Do you really think that if most of us here had any real power or influence that we would be spending our time here?
Conservative, Liberal it's just a smoke screen to divert our attention from the real agenda that the those in power have in mind.

Same with race, abortion, gay rights. Keep the masses busy with all of that stuff & they can do what they want with the government.


Every one has power. If people are too lazy to do something then they should give money to a group to fight for them.. why do you think move on is so powerful even if it is so blindly dumb, in the base of people and their reasoning of things.

I have changed laws in my town by fighting, I have changed laws in congress by donating money.


I don't think the war was about oil, but it is now. he who has it rules the region.


I don't see Iraq giving GW a cut in profits.

[Gladiator]

George Bush is the front man for the New World Order.

This is good for those that have a lot but not so good for the average American.

Some one once put it that 15% of the people in the US come out ahead in life, the other 85% end up on the short end of the stick.

I think that if the numbers were redone you would find that an even larger number of US people would be on the short end.

So you tell me why a few having more of every thing is good for most of the people that have to keep this country going.

Isn't Democracy about every one taking part?

What is wrong about improving the percentage a bit of the people that come out ahead in life? Like maybe down the road aways it could be 20%
of those on the plus side?

It's not about taking away from any one, but to stop using the government to fatten a few pockets.

George Bush is a tax cutter. Tax cuts are good for everybody. Raising taxes is “using the government to fatten a few pockets,” and it’s what liberals want. Cutting taxes, what conservatives want, is excluding the government in order to fatten the pockets of many.

[Gladiator]

George Bush is the front man for the New World Order.

This is good for those that have a lot but not so good for the average American.

Some one once put it that 15% of the people in the US come out ahead in life, the other 85% end up on the short end of the stick.

I think that if the numbers were redone you would find that an even larger number of US people would be on the short end.

So you tell me why a few having more of every thing is good for most of the people that have to keep this country going.

Isn't Democracy about every one taking part?

What is wrong about improving the percentage a bit of the people that come out ahead in life? Like maybe down the road aways it could be 20%
of those on the plus side?

It's not about taking away from any one, but to stop using the government to fatten a few pockets.


The system in the U.S. has provided the greatest opportunity ever in history for the downtrodden to pull themselves up, and in fact the poor in the United States have a standard of living equivalent to that of the middle or upper middle class in third world nations.

Do not listen to corrupt politicians like Hillary Clinton when they use terms such as “short end of the stick” to foster class envy. Class envy along with fraud in general is the only effective tool the Democrats have, and it is based on one of the biggest falsehoods of the past few centuries, that same deception advertised by Karl Marx: the lie of communism.

[Gladiator]

That's just the thing, we have lost the government.

It is just a arm of Big business.

So what are the rest of us doing. We are trying to pick sides when there is in truth no difference to chose from.

We have to see it is them against us & not us against us.

As long a we argue Democrat Vs Republican we lose.

The sad part is that no matter who we choose to represent us they will end up going over to the other side or just being ineffective.
And we will still be arguing with each other.


As for the idea of conspiracies like the New World Order (Council on Foreign Relations, Illuminati), I agree that certain aspects at times appear partially credible. But my belief is that such things are only fairy-tale distractions meant to divide conservatives.

For example, people like Alex Jones serve only to dissolve the loyalty that regular people have in conservative institutions like the Republican party or the nation itself. A parallel distraction is Fred Phelps the “pastor” who potentially turns people away from the Church (even though Phelps himself advances the antithesis of Christian doctrine). Ron Paul is presented as a conservative “constitutionalist” yet he divides some conservatives regarding the most important political issue of this decade, thus threatening to sabotage our best practical effort to bring peace to the middle east. These, along with the idea that Republicans and Democrats are the same, are simply misleading. They serve the leftist purpose which is to divide us or instill apathy causing us to just give up.

Here’s how I think about it. If Greenspan registers as a Republican but talks like Nancy Pelosi as he throws gasoline in the middle of the most volatile political fires of our time, I question his sincerity.

A Republican who trades political influence for material gain is a corrupt Republican. A tax-raising Republican is a corrupt Republican. An anti-military Republican is a corrupt Republican. But the Republican party in ideological terms is still the party of conservatism. We still have the power of the vote, and we can still clean up the mess.

[el borregon 11]

WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE ABOUT GREENSPAN AND THE NEGATIVE TALK ABOUT THE WAR. THOSE INDUVIDUALS SHOULD FOCUS IN WORKING TOGETHER AND NOT AGAINST. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU ARE DRIVING OUTSIDE THE WIRE IN A WAR ZONE RUNNING EVERY OTHER DAY THROUGH THE TRIANGLE, NORTH OF SUDDAM'S HOMETOWN, MALITIA STRONG HOLD. I DO NOT WANT TO GET TO INVOLVED IN OUR WORK BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT IT TAKES MORE THAN MONEY & AND YOUR OIL THAT YOU ARE INSINUATING ,TO RUN THROUGH THESE AREAS. I LIKE EVERYBODY TO NO THAT THIS ARE ROUTES THAT TAKES FOCUS,CONCENTRATION,ALERTNESS & BE ABLE TO STAY CALM IN A HOSTILE SITATION. SOME POEPLE WOULD RATHER GO TO JAIL THEN TO DRIVE THROUGH SOME OF THESE AREAS. SO I ASK ALL MAND KIND TO SAY SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO US OVER HERE THAT WE CAN SAY, WE ARE PART OF A BUNCH OF NATIONS THAT DECIDED TO FREE ALOT OF POEPLE FROM THE RICH LEADERS ONLY HELPING HIS OWN AND HELL TO THE REST. THESE POEPLE ARE SLOWLY CHANGING AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM FOR I WOULD BE SLOW TO IF I HERE OF THE SUPPORT WITHDRAWING. LIKE IT DID ONCE BEFORE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOME OF THIS FOR THE FREDOM OF THE WORLD WELL THEN MAYBE YOU AND THE REST OFTHE NEGATIVE POEPLE SHOULD STAND ASIDE AND KEEP YOU LIPS SEALED AND LET US FINISH THE JOB. YES, THEIR WILL BE CASULTIES AS THIER IS IN EVERY WAR.:cool-too: :handshake: IN THE LONG RUN WE WILL GET IT DONE:happy64: NO MORE BOTHERING THE MEN AND WOMEN AT WORK:bug: BUG OFF PLEASE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERANCE.:yes:

[pballaera]

Mans A Moron! And hes all about book proffits.Who cares.Lets face it its about a bunch of things oil/freedom/security/ Sadam had to go!

[el borregon 11]

You Can Lead The Camal To The Water But If He So Chooses To Drink Is Up To The Camal. You Try To Force The Camal And It Will Spit A Real Painful Spit Ball At You.

Gb Has No Power To Make You A Team Player Nor Risk Your Life For The Cause. It Takes A Few Good Men And Women To Not Only Risk Thier Life But Thier Family From Tearing Apart. Some Poeple Will Risk It For The Comming Generations,and Some Will Not.
In Every War Thier Are Some Brave And Thier Are Some Cowards So What Control Do We Have But To Do With What We Have To Get The Job Done. How Do You Think We Got To America? Well Some Were Looking For Peace And What Happened Mongolians Came In From One Side And We Called Them Indians,spanish Was Coming In From Vracruz Mexico, French Through Luisianna, Irish From The Other Side An On An On And Thier Was A War.
About Money, You Can Give Millions But Sometimes You Have To Get The Job Done Yourself And Not Pass The Bucket.

[el borregon 11]

The Quiet Poeple Are The The Ones That Are Getting The Job Done.

The Noisie Ones Are The Ones That Are Not Happy Until They Mess Things Up.
If The Negative Poeple Keep Feeding Negative News To The World They Should Be Held Acountable For The Casulties. We Will Do Alot Better If We Shut Off The Negative That Is Being Used Against Us In The War Zone Everytime They Open That Negative Lip. I Will Not Get Into It Because I Can Not And Will Not. But Common Sence And Logic. Picture A Chess Game..... A Wrong Move+negative Lip = War Zone Casulties.

[LakewayDaze!]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Sunday rejected former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's statement that the Iraq war "is largely about oil."

With Democratic lawmakers apparently short of the votes needed to force President George W. Bush to change course, Gates defended the war, now in its fifth year, and said it's being driven by the need to stabilize the Gulf and put down hostile forces.

Gates's defense came a day after thousands of anti-war protesters marched in Washington. A spokeswoman for one of the groups who organized the march said more than 200 protesters were taken into custody, including at least 10 Iraq war veterans, when they attempted to cross a police barrier near the U.S. Capitol.

Greenspan, in his new book, "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World," echoed long-held complaints of many critics that a key motivating force in the war is to maintain U.S. access to the rich oil supplies in Iraq.

"Whatever their publicized angst over Saddam Hussein's 'weapons of mass destruction,' American and British authorities were also concerned about violence in an area that harbors a resource indispensable for the functioning of the world economy," Greenspan wrote.

"I'm saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil," added Greenspan, who for decades had been one of the most respected U.S. voices on fiscal policies.

After more than 18 years at the helm, Greenspan retired in January 2006 as chairman of the Fed, the nation's central bank, which regulates monetary policy.

Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Gates said, "I have a lot of respect for Mr. Greenspan." But he disagreed with his comment about oil being a leading motivating factor in the war.

"I wasn't here for the decision-making process that initiated it, that started the war," Gates said. But he added, "I know the same allegation was made about the Gulf War in 1991, and I just don't believe it's true."

"I think that it's really about stability in the Gulf. It's about rogue regimes trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. It's about aggressive dictators," Gates said.

"After all, Saddam Hussein launched wars against several of his neighbors," Gates said. "He was trying to develop weapons of mass destruction, certainly when we went in, in 1991."

Bush last week ordered gradual troop reductions in Iraq into next summer but defied calls for a dramatic change of course, saying the U.S. military role there will stretch beyond his presidency.

Gates said he would urge Bush to veto a proposal by Democratic Sen. James Webb of Virginia that would require U.S. troops spend as much time at home as their previous tour in Iraq.

"It would be extremely difficult for us to manage that," Gates said. "It really is a backdoor way to try and force the president to accelerate the drawdowns. Again, the drawdowns have to be based on the conditions on the ground."

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said he did not know if the Senate, held by Democrats, 51-49, would be able to muster the 60 votes needed to clear a Republican procedural roadblock and approve the Webb measure. But he said "it has a good chance."

He conceded, however, that at this point backers do not have the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override a Bush veto of the legislation.

"But that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for what we believe in just because the president may veto it," Levin said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"I think there's enough Republicans who believe we've got to change course but whether they'll vote that way, we just simply don't know," Levin said.

(Additional reporting by David Wiessler, Mark Felsenthal and Doug Palmer)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070916/pl_nm/usa_iraq_gates_dc

[floydsboys]

George Bush is a tax cutter. Tax cuts are good for everybody. Raising taxes is “using the government to fatten a few pockets,” and it’s what liberals want. Cutting taxes, what conservatives want, is excluding the government in order to fatten the pockets of many.

Then the average tax pay should pay a small % on their taxes than say Warren Bofitt.

But is that the case?

[Crow]

Please Do Not Forget That Usa Has Turned The Other Way For Years When Attacked. The Attack That Happened In our Contry Was Not About Oil. How Many Times Are You Going To Try To Convience The World That I, And The Rest Of Us Are Risking Our Life, For Oil. I Have Lost Co- Workers Over Here For The Freedom Of Our World.for The Good Poeple In Iraq. The Scared Poeple In Iraq. The Iraqi's Hear You To, When You Try To Convience The World To Leave Iraq, Again.they Are Slowly Gaining Confidence, That They Can Stand Up And Fight, And That Thier Supporters Are Not Going To Run Off And Leave Them, Again. Maybe You And Your Followers Should Come To Iraq And Spend Three Years Over Here So You Can Understand The Country And Its Problems.all I Am Asking Is Please Think About Who You Are Hurting When You Speak. Thier Is More Then Thirty Contries Risking Thier Life For The Future Generations To Come. I Have Enough Problems With My Family. I Do Not Need You To Confuse Them As To Why Some Day I May Not Come Back To Them Because Of The Oil,.. No No No... Think That Like Me, Thier Is A Half A Million Americans That Are Out Thier With Out a Gun But Supporting Any Way.you Do The Math With The Rest Of Nationalities That Are Out Here.
You take care of yourself, things will work out, people care, the CROW does! And I'm not alone! CROW

[Crow]

You Can Lead The Camal To The Water But If He So Chooses To Drink Is Up To The Camal. You Try To Force The Camal And It Will Spit A Real Painful Spit Ball At You.

Gb Has No Power To Make You A Team Player Nor Risk Your Life For The Cause. It Takes A Few Good Men And Women To Not Only Risk Thier Life But Thier Family From Tearing Apart. Some Poeple Will Risk It For The Comming Generations,and Some Will Not.
In Every War Thier Are Some Brave And Thier Are Some Cowards So What Control Do We Have But To Do With What We Have To Get The Job Done. How Do You Think We Got To America? Well Some Were Looking For Peace And What Happened Mongolians Came In From One Side And We Called Them Indians,spanish Was Coming In From Vracruz Mexico, French Through Luisianna, Irish From The Other Side An On An On And Thier Was A War.
About Money, You Can Give Millions But Sometimes You Have To Get The Job Done Yourself And Not Pass The Bucket.
Get the job done youself, your right on that!

[tmorr37]

Then the average tax pay should pay a small % on their taxes than say Warren Bofitt.

But is that the case?


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/cy2003.Par.0008.ImageFile.gif


The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 16.77% of all income (2002: 16.12%). The top 5% earns 31.18% of all the income (2002: 30.55%). The top 10% earns 42.36% of all the income (2002: 41.77%); the top 25% earns 64.86% of all the income (2002: 64.37%) , and the top 50% earns 86.01% (2002: 85.77%) of all the income.

[frank a bouchet]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything of importance!!! The dealer where I bought my Dinars got a call from the US Treasyry Dept.(caller ID).They were told that a worker was retiring and Greenspan had recommended his fellow workers buy him some Iraqi Dinars for a 'going away party'.One of my economic professors had a saying 'this is a tidbit of knowledge that is perfectly useless'-U decide!!!!!

[floydsboys]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/cy2003.Par.0008.ImageFile.gif


The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 16.77% of all income (2002: 16.12%). The top 5% earns 31.18% of all the income (2002: 30.55%). The top 10% earns 42.36% of all the income (2002: 41.77%); the top 25% earns 64.86% of all the income (2002: 64.37%) , and the top 50% earns 86.01% (2002: 85.77%) of all the income.



Warren Bofitt don't work for a wage for the most of his money.

And the statement about the % taxes was from him.

There have been others with high incomes who have said so also.

[tmorr37]

Warren Bofitt don't work for a wage for the most of his money.

And the statement about the % taxes was from him.

There have been others with high incomes who have said so also.

Thats right the income tax is for the working. Those that have money are not taxed. But do you think we should take it? is it ours to take? Or should I say STEAL IT.
One day we Dinar investors might be rich. We took the chance and risked our money, All in which we are not going to get back should it fail.
Do you think the Gov should come and take half or more of our money.

I can hear Harry Reid now

The dinar tax for those who profited from the war. There should be a tax on those who benefited of 75% :happy64:

In reality, people like Warren Buffett (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-27,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Warren+Buffett+&spell=1)use their money in investments that create jobs and wealth. All of which we benefit. The Gov doesn't do that.

[floydsboys]

Thats right the income tax is for the working. Those that have money are not taxed. But do you think we should take it? is it ours to take? Or should I say STEAL IT.
One day we Dinar investors might be rich. We took the chance and risked our money, All in which we are not going to get back should it fail.
Do you think the Gov should come and take half or more of our money.

I can hear Harry Reid now


In reality, people like Warren Buffett (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-27,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Warren+Buffett+&spell=1)use their money in investments that create jobs and wealth. All of which we benefit. The Gov doesn't do that.


Well we didn't pay very much for our Dinars & if they are ever worth much money we will not have done much or risked a lot for our gain.

At most we will pay about 23% in taxes.

[TimP]

If Iraq's great wealth was corn, would we have invaded? Or how about a fishing wealth. Or a great timber empire. Would we be involved in Iraq? I think, the fact that GW junior was an oilman, is an oilman, speaks volumns. It doesn't take a great literist to read that book. And with the state of GW's IQ it is written in cartoon style.


President Bush has a Bachelors in history from Yale and a Masters in business from Harvard. IQ measured at 115.5

Check your facts...

[TimP]

ensuring the free flow of oil to a world that depends upon it was surely taken into consideration. To say that the war is/was only about oil and GWB's greedy partners is at best idiotic

[Crow]

President Bush has a Bachelors in history from Yale and a Masters in business from Harvard. IQ measured at 115.5

Check your facts...

For that is true.

[Crow]

WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE ABOUT GREENSPAN AND THE NEGATIVE TALK ABOUT THE WAR. THOSE INDUVIDUALS SHOULD FOCUS IN WORKING TOGETHER AND NOT AGAINST. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU ARE DRIVING OUTSIDE THE WIRE IN A WAR ZONE RUNNING EVERY OTHER DAY THROUGH THE TRIANGLE, NORTH OF SUDDAM'S HOMETOWN, MALITIA STRONG HOLD. I DO NOT WANT TO GET TO INVOLVED IN OUR WORK BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT IT TAKES MORE THAN MONEY & AND YOUR OIL THAT YOU ARE INSINUATING ,TO RUN THROUGH THESE AREAS. I LIKE EVERYBODY TO NO THAT THIS ARE ROUTES THAT TAKES FOCUS,CONCENTRATION,ALERTNESS & BE ABLE TO STAY CALM IN A HOSTILE SITATION. SOME POEPLE WOULD RATHER GO TO JAIL THEN TO DRIVE THROUGH SOME OF THESE AREAS. SO I ASK ALL MAND KIND TO SAY SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO US OVER HERE THAT WE CAN SAY, WE ARE PART OF A BUNCH OF NATIONS THAT DECIDED TO FREE ALOT OF POEPLE FROM THE RICH LEADERS ONLY HELPING HIS OWN AND HELL TO THE REST. THESE POEPLE ARE SLOWLY CHANGING AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM FOR I WOULD BE SLOW TO IF I HERE OF THE SUPPORT WITHDRAWING. LIKE IT DID ONCE BEFORE. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOME OF THIS FOR THE FREDOM OF THE WORLD WELL THEN MAYBE YOU AND THE REST OFTHE NEGATIVE POEPLE SHOULD STAND ASIDE AND KEEP YOU LIPS SEALED AND LET US FINISH THE JOB. YES, THEIR WILL BE CASULTIES AS THIER IS IN EVERY WAR.:cool-too: :handshake: IN THE LONG RUN WE WILL GET IT DONE:happy64: NO MORE BOTHERING THE MEN AND WOMEN AT WORK:bug: BUG OFF PLEASE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERANCE.:yes:
Just keep cool,I know, I know and stay safe!

[jimbo]

Thats right the income tax is for the working. Those that have money are not taxed. But do you think we should take it? is it ours to take? Or should I say STEAL IT.
One day we Dinar investors might be rich. We took the chance and risked our money, All in which we are not going to get back should it fail.
Do you think the Gov should come and take half or more of our money.

I can hear Harry Reid now


In reality, people like Warren Buffett (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-27,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Warren+Buffett+&spell=1)use their money in investments that create jobs and wealth. All of which we benefit. The Gov doesn't do that.
The passage of The Fair Tax Act of 2007 would be such a solution to all Americans problems why is it that Americans don't set aside their political differences and come together as one!!!

[Sponson]

President Bush has a Bachelors in history from Yale and a Masters in business from Harvard. IQ measured at 115.5

Check your facts...

BTW, Enstein is spelled Einstein...Einstein

:D