U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,799

[shevaub]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6948885,00.html
As of Tuesday, Sept. 25, 2007, at least 3,799 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 3,098 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.
The AP count is five higher than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Tuesday at 10 a.m. EDT.
The British military has reported 170 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 21; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, seven; El Salvador, five; Slovakia, four; Latvia, three; Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Romania, South Korea, one death each.
Since the start of U.S. military operations in Iraq, 28,009 U.S. service members have been wounded in hostile action, according to the Defense Department's weekly tally.:(:(:(

[thegujju]

And these are just the 'official' figures and we all know what they count for during times of war.

The true figure when it comes to fatalities will not be known until long after this conflict has ended.

[Howler]

way too many.
Has anyone caught the HBO special with James Gandolphini? Born on date? He talks to wounded vets coming back to the real world. Heartbreaking!!!!

[richie chop]

and how many dead on the other side

[Howler]

and how many dead on the other side

Our country has gone way too soft to ever publish numbers like that again.

I can garuntee you that we havent killed a quarter of the number of Iraqis, that AlQueda have killed.

[williambedloe]

It's funny, but i don't see murder numbers in the US on a daily basis published as frequently as these numbers are...

[Krystal]

This is the total of the first gulf "war" in 1991 and the current one.

73,846 U.S. TROOPS DEAD;

1,620,906 PERMANENTLY DISABLED

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS ISSUES
OFFICIAL REPORT CONFIRMING 73,000 U.S. TROOPS
KILLED IN IRAQ

SAME GOVERNMENT AGENCY REPORT CONFIRMS 1.6 MILLION "DISABLED" BY THE WAR!

George Walker Bush has presided over the worst defeat of the United States Military since Vietnam and has deliberately skewed reporting of the deaths and injuries to conceal
the facts.

Department of Veteran's Affairs, in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has released the truth because they need the American People to know our military is literally, destroyed.

They cannot release these horrific numbers via the chain of command because they are under orders to conceal the truth at all costs, so they let slip a report which now cannot be "un-slipped."

Here are the facts and a link to the government source to prove these facts:

More Gulf War Veterans have died than Vietnam Veterans.

The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans Information System reports the following:

Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846

- Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847

- Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999

Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874

Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906

- Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911

- Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

Percentage of combat troops that filed Disability Claims 36%

Soldiers, by nature, typically don't complain. In other words, the real impact of those who are disabled from the US invasions in Iraq , Afghanistan and other Nations, is not fully reflected in the official Veterans Affairs numbers. When soldiers are sent to murder women and children they tend to never be able to live normal lives there after.

How come the government numbers of 3,777 as of 9/7/7 are so low? The answer is simple, the government does not want the 73,000 dead to be compared to the 55,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Vietnam Iraq = Vietnam . What the government is doing is only counting the soldiers that die in action before they can get them into a helicopter or ambulance. Any soldier who is shot but they get into a helicopter before he dies is not counted.

73,000 dead amongst the U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high - we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.

From a victors perspective, above any major war in history, The Gulf War has taken the severest toll on soldiers.

More than 1,820 tons of radio active nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armor piercing rounds and bunker busters, representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster ever. 64 kg of uranium were used in the Hiroshima bomb. The U.S. Iraq Nuclear Holocaust represents far more than fourteen thousand Hiroshima 's. The nuclear waste the U.S. has exploded into the Middle East will continue killing for billions of years and can wipe out more than a third of life on earth. Gulf War Veterans who have ingested the uranium will continue to die off over a number of years.

So far more than one million people have been slaughtered in the illegal invasion of Iraqi by the U.S. Birth defects are up 600% in Iraq - the same will apply to U.S. Veterans.

Statistics and evidence published by the government and mainstream media in no way reflect the extreme gravity of the situation.

Those working for the government and media must wake up and take responsibility for immediately reversing this U.S. Holocaust. Understanding who is manipulating all of us is critical for all of us.

For those of you who doubt the veracity of this story, who naively believe it can't be true because if it were true, you would have heard it from the government or from the main stream media, can see the proof yourselves directly from the United States Department of Veteran's Affairs web site

-Source: www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/doc...S_May2007.pdf (http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf)

This story is 100%
accurate. 100% true. 100% verifiable

[DC]

Krystal,

Im totally in agreement that any US soldier's death is too many, and I know that we're responsible for a disgusting number of innocent Iraqi's deaths, but I think the numbers you gave are WAY off...way too high. Im going to read the link you supplied, but I just cant see it.

[Howler]

Krystal,

Im totally in agreement that any US soldier's death is too many, and I know that we're responsible for a disgusting number of innocent Iraqi's deaths, but I think the numbers you gave are WAY off...way too high. Im going to read the link you supplied, but I just cant see it.

Might want to run it through snopes.com as well.

[Krystal]

I wish it was not true.

It is.

[williambedloe]

I wish it was not true.

It is.

Umm...no it's not... I went to the VA website, and looked it up on my own...excluding Gulf War I, the deaths from the Global War on terror (military service component from 2001 - to present) is here:

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/gwot_component.pdf


The 73K number seems to be a raw total of Vet deaths in the VA systems from the time period of 1990 to present. The paper says the information is raw data, and that it covers ALL military personnel deaths in that time period...the casualty numbers for Gulf War I and the Global War on Terror (to include Afghanistan and Iraq 2003) quoted FROM THE SAME WEBSITE but in a different location are far different. What I am guessing has happened is that the DOD sends them numbers every so often and they just tally them:

From your link:


Veteran Deaths

Identifies deceased veterans reported only in VBA’s Compensation and Pension Master Record (CPMR)
and the Beneficiary Identification and Records Locator Subsystem (BIRLS).



Limitations: These counts reflect raw data that have not been subjected to any statistical analysis nor adjusted in any way to make it a mortality study. There has been no adjustment to account for age, gender, race, and other items required for a valid mortality study. In addition, the data will not reflect deaths reported after April 2007. The use of these data to draw conclusions regarding mortality rates will result in inaccurate conclusions.




Nice try...actually, quite a morbid try on your part...

[Krystal]

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong...no problem admitting & apologizing. However, most of the Gulf War Vets are dieing from radiation poisoning, we have earlier reports listing 21 thousand dead from doctors studying the problem (see http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/wmd.html)

Our government is refusing to acknowledge the problem or the real numbers. For example what exactly is Undiagnosed Illness “UDX”? Vets serving in 1990 are not going to be dead from old age by 2007. Because the government is hiding the truth, the Dept of Veteran’s affairs total number of dead Gulf War vets is the only real number from which we can really determine how many soldiers have died. One could perhaps assume that 10% or less of the 73K total died from natural causes. Would one list the massive increase of suicides by soldiers, as natural or as a cause of the illegal invasion?

It is good to see discussion and questioning of numbers. These are Official Numbers and they are real, just as real as the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and other sovereign nations is not different to Hitler’s invasion of Poland and other sovereign nations. The reality is the gravity of the situation, something clearly the government is desperate to cover-up, just like they covered up their explicit involvement in perpetrating 9/11.

We strongly encourage you and others to learn about the ties between supporters of Hitler and our current administration and Federal Reserve Bank. Until we acknowledge the incest and gravity of the situation we cannot hope to fix the problem. We have a serious problem, raw facts prove our government is utterly out of control. Former Attorney General Gonzales should for example be going to jail. He certainly would send you to jail for much less than the crimes he was caught in. Bush’s new appointee for Attorney General, Michael B. Murkasey, was cover-up Chief of the Official Corruption Unit of the Attorney General's office and Yale Bones Club Satan worshiper who gave billions of dollars to the people who blew up the World Trade Center! And mainstream media is praising him for being just and honest!

These Dept of Vet’s Affairs number help drive through reality, however, in all reality we need to get these criminals out of government.