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zig49ky
01-08-2008, 12:14 PM
Hell,I'm into Hunting and Fishing and very Thankful to be able to go to the James River Fishing with my children and take in the breath taking views that this nation has to offer. I explain to my Children that you only KILL what You are Going to EAT!!!

But to take your Family Children to an event like this and show No Respect to God Creatures & life in General is total madness!!! This needs to bought to you Elected Representative Attention about our trading partner.

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Animals torn to pieces by lions in front of baying crowds: the spectator sport China DOESN'T want you to see

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The smiling children giggled as they patted the young goat on its head and tickled it behind the ears.

Some of the more boisterous ones tried to clamber onto the animal's back but were soon shaken off with a quick wiggle of its bottom.
It could have been a happy scene from a family zoo anywhere in the world but for what happened next. Scroll down for more
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A man hoisted up the goat and nonchalantly threw it over a wall into a pit full of hungry lions. The poor goat tried to run for its life, but it didn't stand a chance. The lions quickly surrounded it and started tearing at its flesh.
"Oohs" and "aahs" filled the air as the children watched the goat being ripped limb from limb. Some started to clap silently with a look of wonder in their eyes.
The scenes witnessed at Badaltearing Safari Park in China are rapidly becoming a normal day out for many Chinese families. Scroll down for more
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Baying crowds now gather in zoos across the country to watch animals being torn to pieces by lions and tigers.
Just an hour's drive from the main Olympic attractions in Beijing, Badaling is in many ways a typical Chinese zoo.
Next to the main slaughter arena is a restaurant where families can dine on braised dog while watching cows and goats being disembowelled by lions.
The zoo also encourages visitors to "fish" for lions using live chickens as bait. For just £2, giggling visitors tie terrified chickens onto bamboo rods and dangle them in front of the lions, just as a cat owner might tease their pet with a toy. Scroll down for more
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During one visit, a woman managed to taunt the big cats with a petrified chicken for five minutes before a lion managed to grab the bird in its jaws.
The crowd then applauded as the bird flapped its wings pathetically in a futile bid to escape. The lion eventually grew bored and crushed the terrified creature to death.
The tourists were then herded onto buses and driven through the lions' compound to watch an equally cruel spectacle. The buses have specially designed chutes down which you can push live chickens and watch as they are torn to shreds.
Once again, children are encouraged to take part in the slaughter. Scroll down for more
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The lions tear the goat to pieces within seconds of landing in the enclosure

"It's almost a form of child abuse," says Carol McKenna of the OneVoice animal welfare group. "The cruelty of Chinese zoos is disgusting, but think of the impact on the children watching it. What kind of future is there for China if its children think this kind of cruelty is normal?
"In China, if you love animals you want to kill yourself every day out of despair."
But the cruelty of Badaling doesn't stop with animals apart. For those who can still stomach it, the zoo has numerous traumatised animals to gawp at.
A pair of endangered moon bears with rusting steel nose rings are chained up in cages so small that they cannot even turn around.
One has clearly gone mad and spends most of its time shaking its head and bashing into the walls of its prison.
There are numerous other creatures, including tigers, which also appear to have been driven insane by captivity. Predictably, they are kept in cramped, filthy conditions.
!Zoos like this make me want to boycott everything Chinese," says Emma Milne, star of the BBC's Vets In Practice.
"I'd like to rip out everything in my house that's made in China. I have big problems with their culture.
"If you enjoy watching an animal die then that's a sad and disgusting reflection on you.
"Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by their behaviour towards animals, as the value of human life is so low in China."
East of Badaling lies the equally horrific Qingdao zoo. Here, visitors can take part in China's latest craze — tortoise baiting.
Simply put, Chinese families now gather in zoos to hurl coins at tortoises.
Legend has it that if you hit a tortoise on the head with a coin and make a wish, then your heart's desire will come true. It's the Chinese equivalent of a village wishing well.
To feed this craze, tortoises are kept in barbaric conditions inside small bare rooms.
When giggling tourists begin hurling coins at them, they desperately try to protect themselves by withdrawing into their shells.
But Chinese zoo keepers have discovered a way round this: they wrap elastic bands around the animals' necks to stop them retracting their heads.
"Tortoises aren't exactly fleet of foot and can't run away," says Carol McKenna.
"It's monstrous that people hurl coins at the tortoises, but strapping their heads down with elastic bands so they can't hide is even more disgusting.
"Because tortoises can't scream, people assume they don't suffer. But they do. I can't bear to think what it must be like to live in a tiny cell and have people hurl coins at you all day long."
Even worse is in store for the animals of Xiongsen Bear and Tiger Mountain Village near Guilin in south-east China.
Here, live cows are fed to tigers to amuse cheering crowds. During a recent visit, I watched in horror as a young cow was stalked and caught. Its screams and cries filled the air as it struggled to escape.
A wild tiger would dispatch its prey within moments, but these beasts' natural killing skills have been blunted by years of living in tiny cages.
The tiger tried to kill — tearing and biting at the cow's body in a pathetic looking frenzy — but it simply didn't know how.
Eventually, the keepers broke up the contest and slaughtered the cow themselves, much to the disappointment of the crowd.
Although the live killing exhibition was undoubtedly depressing, an equally disturbing sight lay around the corner: the "animal parade".
Judging by the rest of the operation, the unseen training methods are unlikely to be humane, but what visitors view is bad enough.
Tigers, bears and monkeys perform in a degrading "entertainment". Bears wear dresses, balance on balls and not only ride bicycles but mount horses too.
The showpiece is a bear riding a bike on a high wire above a parade of tigers, monkeys and trumpet-playing bears.
Astonishingly, the zoo also sells tiger meat and wine produced from big cats kept in battery-style cages.
Tiger meat is eaten widely in China and the wine, made from the crushed bones of the animals, is a popular drink.
Although it is illegal, the zoo is quite open about its activities. In fact, it boasts of having 140 dead tigers in freezers ready for the plate.
In the restaurant, visitors can dine on strips of stir-fried tiger with ginger and Chinese vegetables. Also on the menu are tiger soup and a spicy red curry made with tenderised strips of big cat.
And if all that isn't enough, you can dine on lion steaks, bear's paw, crocodile and several different species of snake.
"Discerning" visitors can wash it all down with a glass or two of vintage wine made from the bones of Siberian tigers.
The wine is made from the 1,300 or so tigers reared on the premises. The restaurant is a favourite with Chinese Communist Party officials who often pop down from Beijing for the weekend.
China's zoos claim to be centres for education and conservation. Without them, they say, many species would become extinct.
This is clearly a fig leaf and some would call it a simple lie. Many are no better than "freak shows" from the middle ages and some are no different to the bloody tournaments of ancient Rome.
"It's farcical to claim that these zoos are educational," says Emma Milne.
"How can you learn anything about wild animals by watching them pace up and down inside a cage? You could learn far more from a David Attenborough documentary."
However pitiful the conditions might be in China's zoos, there are a few glimmers of hope.
It is now becoming fashionable to own pets in China. The hope is that a love for pets will translate into a desire to help animals in general. This does appear to be happening, albeit slowly.
One recent MORI opinion poll discovered that 90 per cent of Chinese people thought they had "a moral duty to minimise animal suffering". Around 75 per cent felt that the law should be changed to minimise animal suffering as much as possible.
In 2004, Beijing proposed animal welfare legislation which stipulated that "no one should harass, mistreat or hurt animals". It would also have banned animal fights and live feeding shows.
The laws would have been a huge step forward. But the proposals were scrapped following stiff opposition from vested interests and those who felt China had more pressing concerns.
And this is the central problem for animal welfare in China: its ruling elite is brutally repressive and cares little for animals.
Centuries of rule by tyrannical emperors and bloody dictators have all but eradicated the Buddhist and Confucian respect for life and nature.
As a result, welfare groups are urging people not to go to Chinese zoos if they should visit the Olympics, as virtually every single one inflicts terrible suffering on its animals
"They should tell the Chinese Embassy why they are refusing to visit these zoos,' says Carol McKenna of OneVoice. "If a nation is great enough to host the Olympic Games then it is great enough to be able to protect its animals."

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Sergeant ROCK
01-08-2008, 12:19 PM
Are these the same people that were (or still?) skinning live dogs and cats to make fur coats for Burlington Coat Factory a few years ago?

Just wondering...

Deer Hunter
01-08-2008, 12:34 PM
That makes me sick. We, at least, kill the Deer first. And usually as quick as possible. No merciless brutality. Good grief, what is this world coming to. This is the first I have heard of Chinese zoo's. To cause an animal to suffer accidentally in a hunting field is one thing, and we try our best not to leave "wounded" ones. But to do this on a planned basis for human entertainment to live animals is TERRIBLE.

Sergeant ROCK
01-08-2008, 12:39 PM
That makes me sick. We, at least, kill the Deer first. And usually as quick as possible. No merciless brutality. Good grief, what is this world coming to. This is the first I have heard of Chinese zoo's. To cause an animal to suffer accidentally in a hunting field is one thing, and we try our best not to leave "wounded" ones. But to do this on a planned basis for human entertainment to live animals is TERRIBLE.

Why can't they toss a Chinaman over the wall now and again? It's not like they couldn't afford to lose a couple people here or there... :devil:

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 12:41 PM
The use of dogs to tree a lion or bear is just as inhumane and a lame hunting practice. Ive hunted bear and would rather not even see or get a clean shot off my entire trip than to have to tree it (cheat the hunt) with dogs.

baz
01-08-2008, 12:46 PM
They dont care about running over their own people in tanks, so they care even less about feeding time and what the food is.

shellbell
01-08-2008, 12:56 PM
That is absolutely disgusting!! Sad to say this has been going on for centuries. They used to use people as the prey. I believe the Romans did it and it was quite a popular sport. China seems to not have much respect for life...:no:

americanjoe
01-08-2008, 01:02 PM
Why can't they toss a Chinaman over the wall now and again? It's not like they couldn't afford to lose a couple people here or there... :devil:

Good suggestion Sargent, while your at it, throw in a few of these overzealous and self-righteous Christians like the Romans used to do. Maybe the level of bigotry I see on these boards will go tone down a bit :devil::devil:

Sergeant ROCK
01-08-2008, 01:05 PM
Good suggestion Sargent, while your at it, throw in a few of these overzealous and self-righteous Christians like the Romans used to do. Maybe the level of bigotry I see on these boards will go tone down a bit :devil::devil:

Nah.. I'd prefer tossin' liberals into the pit.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 01:12 PM
I'm sickened beyond anything I can describe...killing for the sake of entertainment is beyond brutality...even animals don't just kill for the fun of it...this is pure evil

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 01:13 PM
I'm sickened beyond anything I can describe...killing for the sake of entertainment is beyond brutality...even animals don't just kill for the fun of it...this is pure evil


And China got the Olympics by what scandalous means?

americanjoe
01-08-2008, 01:16 PM
Nah.. I'd prefer tossin' liberals into the pit.

See? I knew we could get along after all.

On a serious note, tossing live sheep into a pit of lions does seem a bit cruel. Heck I was at a Beijing "zoo" in 2003. It had 3 or 4 rare pandas sitting around in small concrete enclosures. They were definitely bored and not very healthy looking, but we're talking about a country that probably resembled 1950 US (with the pace of building i saw there, they probably resemble the 1995 US by now). Anyway, the point is I'm sure as their standard of living rises, people will complain and they'll improve conditions over there.

At least no lions are going to jump out of that 50 ft enclosure....unlike San Francisco :lipssealed:

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 01:17 PM
And China got the Olympics by what scandalous means?

it's called appeasement...instead of facing down a savage at every turn, you give him presents to see if he will soften...it never works


The more they open themselves up to global markets, the more this stuff will be exposed, and the rest of the world may not like what it will see...

Sergeant ROCK
01-08-2008, 01:20 PM
it's called appeasement...instead of facing down a savage at every turn, you give him presents to see if he will soften...it never works


The more they open themselves up to global markets, the more this stuff will be exposed, and the rest of the world may not like what it will see...

Because of our naive trade policy with Red China, we didn't bring down a tyrannical regime, but rather gave them the means to remain in power.

Whatever happened to 'Starve The Red Bastards!'?

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 01:30 PM
it's called appeasement...instead of facing down a savage at every turn, you give him presents to see if he will soften...it never works


The more they open themselves up to global markets, the more this stuff will be exposed, and the rest of the world may not like what it will see...

I was pissed off enough at the Chinese (and Koreans) when I saw that video on how horribly they torture young dogs and cats for food/sex enhancement. This new article adds to the brutal nature that they have toward animals. Not to say that that behavior isnt endemic with humans, but if they want to be "westernized" they will have to be scrutinized as well. Lead-based toys and poison dog food isnt the only problem.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 01:32 PM
Because of our naive trade policy with Red China, we didn't bring down a tyrannical regime, but rather gave them the means to remain in power.

Whatever happened to 'Starve The Red Bastards!'?

We've become too dependent on their carp products...that's why...not only are we NOT starving them, but we are providing a buffet...

China is not your typical rogue nation, so strategy to deal with them needs to be a bit different...difference between them and the Soviets is their economy...it's a juggernaut on the world scene, so outspending them is NOT an option (plus they hold leverage against the US)...infest them with capitalism, open their doors wide and let the world see what's inside...rot them from within is the only way that's going to work with these devils

Sergeant ROCK
01-08-2008, 01:38 PM
We've become too dependent on their carp products...that's why...not only are we NOT starving them, but we are providing a buffet...

China is not your typical rogue nation, so strategy to deal with them needs to be a bit different...difference between them and the Soviets is their economy...it's a juggernaut on the world scene, so outspending them is NOT an option (plus they hold leverage against the US)...infest them with capitalism, open their doors wide and let the world see what's inside...rot them from within is the only way that's going to work with these devils

The Red Chinese learned from the Soviet experience. Hence, their success using 'capitalism' to preserve their power. Unlike the Soviets.

GLORYFIRE
01-08-2008, 01:39 PM
China seems to have no respect for life. They are getting to be good buddies with Russia and Iran. It doesn't seem like the rest of the world is too concerned, but you never know all that is going on behind closed doors. But I'll tell you I think it's very serious, and I hope our governments do too.

thegujju
01-08-2008, 01:39 PM
Why is this any better or worse than what goes on in a chicken slaughter house or pig abattoir. The former are using cruelty to satisfy their entertainment needs, while the latter is using cruelty to satisfy man's culinary needs.

Where do we draw the line?

PS - and no I'm not some militant veggie before someone asks, I enjoy my flesh as much as anyone else.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 01:39 PM
I was pissed off enough at the Chinese (and Koreans) when I saw that video on how horribly they torture young dogs and cats for food/sex enhancement.

I used to work with a freaky Chinese dude from the Guangdong province who said that young boys were still a "delicacy" where he was from...again, once this twisted stuff makes it out into the mainstream, perceptions of China will change drastically...for now, all I have is my disgust...except for Chinese food...I still love it (the Americanized version of it, that is)

Dinar Duchess
01-08-2008, 01:41 PM
Baghdad zoo do this as well, putting live donkeys in the lions den. Both this zoo and Baghdad zoo have been reported to organisations dealing with captive animals in captivity including the bornfree foundation. I just hope it does some good.

thegujju
01-08-2008, 01:41 PM
We've become too dependent on their carp products...that's why...not only are we NOT starving them, but we are providing a buffet...

China is not your typical rogue nation, so strategy to deal with them needs to be a bit different...difference between them and the Soviets is their economy...it's a juggernaut on the world scene, so outspending them is NOT an option (plus they hold leverage against the US)...infest them with capitalism, open their doors wide and let the world see what's inside...rot them from within is the only way that's going to work with these devils

Agree with what you said and love the analogy lol.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 01:44 PM
Why is this any better or worse than what goes on in a chicken slaughter house or pig abattoir. The former are using cruelty to satisfy their entertainment needs, while the latter is using cruelty to satisfy man's culinary needs.

Where do we draw the line?

PS - and no I'm not some militant veggie before someone asks, I enjoy my flesh as much as anyone else.


at the very least, one is a natural state (predator and prey) - the other is the unnatural state of killing for mere pleasure

thegujju
01-08-2008, 02:19 PM
at the very least, one is a natural state (predator and prey) - the other is the unnatural state of killing for mere pleasure

Sure taking your gun out and killing a deer or some pheasant may be natural state but what goes on in commercial slaughter houses is far from 'natural'.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 02:35 PM
Sure taking your gun out and killing a deer or some pheasant may be natural state but what goes on in commercial slaughter houses is far from 'natural'.

I'll admit it's not pretty, and most would be horrified (including me), but it serves one purpose - to feed. One predator uses its claws, another traps the animal, feeds it to fatten it up, then use machines to kill it and prepare it for food. I didn't say it was humane...

Killing for viewing pleasure takes it to another level of barbarism



I'm a pet lover, so none of this is lost on me...my pet's have health insurance for Pete's sake...

americanjoe
01-08-2008, 03:48 PM
I'll admit it's not pretty, and most would be horrified (including me), but it serves one purpose - to feed. One predator uses its claws, another traps the animal, feeds it to fatten it up, then use machines to kill it and prepare it for food. I didn't say it was humane...

Killing for viewing pleasure takes it to another level of barbarism



I'm a pet lover, so none of this is lost on me...my pet's have health insurance for Pete's sake...

I'm a pet lover too. I love dogs as well as cats. :toivo:

If you want killing animals for solely entertainment, talk to Michael Vick. :punch:

I think that goat (or sheep) was food, not just mere entertainment I could be wrong. The zookeepers could have slaughtered it and tossed it into the enclosure, but I'm sure people here would still find a reason to talk about those Chinese people. One thing I noticed is that there does seem to be a whole lot of lions in that enclosure. I'm sure Mary's little lamb was just a morsel on that day's menu.

A buddy of mine used to own a Burmese python. And as all you snake owners know, you don't throw some lettuce in there and watch the snake crunch on ruffage. No, you toss a live mouse or rat in there. The first viewing was entertainment. After that, I was over it. But he was stuck with that snake and had to feed it once a week. I'm sure he got over it too. :eek:

americanjoe
01-08-2008, 03:54 PM
I used to work with a freaky Chinese dude from the Guangdong province who said that young boys were still a "delicacy" where he was from...again, once this twisted stuff makes it out into the mainstream, perceptions of China will change drastically...for now, all I have is my disgust...except for Chinese food...I still love it (the Americanized version of it, that is)

Give me a frikin break! Young boys a delicacy? No civilization can survive eating their young, especially one as populous as China. Over there people pride themselves on the number of boys in the family.

Quit spreading stupid rumors like that.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 04:03 PM
Give me a frikin break! Young boys a delicacy? No civilization can survive eating their young, especially one as populous as China. Over there people pride themselves on the number of boys in the family.

Quit spreading stupid rumors like that.

Not the edible kind of delicacy dude...chill out:lmao: :lmao:

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 04:12 PM
Give me a frikin break! Young boys a delicacy? No civilization can survive eating their young, especially one as populous as China. Over there people pride themselves on the number of boys in the family.

Quit spreading stupid rumors like that.


In Vietnam, Cambodia, Burma, China, Indonesia and of course the Philippines, "eating the young" is practically a national pastime. These countries even make Florida look tame by comparison. None of the horrors of that sporting event would ever come out to the media if sicko westerners would quit going over there to play that particular game.

LongShot
01-08-2008, 04:24 PM
I don't see a problem with tossing the animals to the lions but it should not be an attraction to the public. Should just be a sucky job.

americanjoe
01-08-2008, 04:28 PM
Not the edible kind of delicacy dude...chill out:lmao: :lmao:

If you meant Greek style man-boy delicacy, then my apologies. I just feel the need to quash rumors before they start (ie fossils are instruments of the devil, lol).

zimbu
01-08-2008, 04:29 PM
And this is different from dog fighting, or cock-fighting in the USA in what way?

Doesn't make it right, but it's not a China specific behavior.

Zimmer

Dinar_OS
01-08-2008, 08:08 PM
Bullfighting is very low on my totem pole:
Spain, Mexico, France, Portugal, Venezuela, Peru, China, and others.

williambedloe
01-08-2008, 08:33 PM
And this is different from dog fighting, or cock-fighting in the USA in what way?

Doesn't make it right, but it's not a China specific behavior.

Zimmer

dog fights, cock fights, bull fights...I don't even like the running of the bulls...I'll defend man's right to eat, but not to torture animals for sheer entertainment.

zimbu
01-08-2008, 08:39 PM
dog fights, cock fights, bull fights...I don't even like the running of the bulls...I'll defend man's right to eat, but not to torture animals for sheer entertainment.

Agreed 100%

Zimmer

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 08:47 PM
Bottom line, men that attempt to assert control over animals through abusive means (or women or children for that matter) are the men with smallest weiners who know they are spiritually or mortally weak and are unable to control other men.

Unfortunately China will continue destroy the natural world around them and will attempt to destroy the natural world outside of their borders.

Not to say that Im prejudiced in any way toward Chinese-Americans however.

richsoon
01-08-2008, 09:53 PM
Bottom line, men that attempt to assert control over animals through abusive means (or women or children for that matter) are the men with smallest weiners who know they are spiritually or mortally weak and are unable to control other men.

Unfortunately China will continue destroy the natural world around them and will attempt to destroy the natural world outside of their borders.

Not to say that Im prejudiced in any way toward Chinese-Americans however.

Right on! Small wieners and no brains.

ksdunlap
01-08-2008, 10:02 PM
dog fights, cock fights, bull fights...I don't even like the running of the bulls...I'll defend man's right to eat, but not to torture animals for sheer entertainment.
The zoo is full of animals that have been taken out of their natural habitat that is where the harm was done. Now if you have ever went to a zoo then you should realize that they have to eat. Its a fact of life why hide it as if it does not happen. I don't see it as torture to feed an animal that has been caged.

geowhiz
01-08-2008, 10:09 PM
Right on! Small wieners and no brains.

I thought you said you were after the big wieners with big brains? :rock:

toryangski
01-08-2008, 11:51 PM
dog fights, cock fights, bull fights...I don't even like the running of the bulls...I'll defend man's right to eat, but not to torture animals for sheer entertainment.


I agree. There's a big difference between killing to eat and killing for pleasure.

This article makes me sick! If their intention is to feed the anmals, why didnt they just throw a carcass and spare the poor goat the terror of being surrounded by a bunch of predatory animals. Those lions dont know how to hunt anymore. They dont even know how to stalk and kill their prey properly.

I dont like animal fights either. It's barbaric. Those animals didnt fight because they felt the need to, it's because their :swear: handlers made them to.

Wolverine
01-09-2008, 01:26 AM
Saddam and sons used to feed live people to the lions for entertainment, I've never seen any news coverage of that ! Our media had rather continue trying to convince people of what a great guy he was , as far as sadistic mass murdering dictators go.....
:smoke:

TerryTate
01-09-2008, 04:47 AM
Sure taking your gun out and killing a deer or some pheasant may be natural state but what goes on in commercial slaughter houses is far from 'natural'.

Geeze louise. Slaughter houses are natural for mankind. Maybe animals just haven't thought of slaughter houses yet (you know no opposable thumb and all :giggle:), but it is perfectly natural for mankind to round up the animals that are the subsistence for the society, then kill, butcher and process them as humanly as possible. Having known a guy who worked at a slaughter house, it is true it isn't pretty when compared to most peoples daily lives, but most of the workers don't go out of their way to be cruel to the animals. There just isn't time and it is inherently dangerous to screw around in the slaughter house. If the workers screwed around to much they could end up being the ones caught in the assembly line.

Cripes I'd rather have an efficient slaughter house butchering the animals than every person in society taking their chicken out back on a nightly basis and lop off the head. Might as well practice Santa Ria.

Then again if everyone did have to slaughter their own maybe we would not have so many wispy spineless liberals.

:headbang:

Fishindinar
01-09-2008, 04:49 AM
I believe all humans from all countries are guilty of cruelty to animals including myself.. i love fishing and eating fish. If we lived on grass like cows or sheep it would be a different world.

TerryTate
01-09-2008, 04:57 AM
I believe all humans from all countries are guilty of cruelty to animals including myself.. i love fishing and eating fish. If we lived on grass like cows or sheep it would be a different world.

Yes if only we were all cows or sheep (hmm I take that back some people already are sheep), then all of the bad stuff would go away...

Of course if we were sheep then the lions would really like us, just like that goat. If only we could all live such a gracious and dignified life as the noble goat as it passes through the bowels and digestive tracts of that group of lions and lionesses. How noble. One can only hope to end up as a pile of lion dung destined to fertilize the mother earth as the cycle of life continues....

Heres some links to groups that think like that:

www.Ihatebeinganevilhuman.com (http://www.investorsiraq.com/www.Ihatebeinganevilhuman.com)

www.Iwannabeasheepsbaaatch.com (http://www.investorsiraq.com/www.Iwannabeasheepsbaaatch.com)

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williambedloe
01-09-2008, 07:38 AM
I agree. There's a big difference between killing to eat and killing for pleasure.

This article makes me sick! If their intention is to feed the anmals, why didnt they just throw a carcass and spare the poor goat the terror of being surrounded by a bunch of predatory animals.

Bingo...I'm no PETA follower (I think they're terrorists, myself), and I will certainly NEVER put animals above humans ( I still eat animal flesh, and won't stop) but if they really just wanted to feed them, they could throw them a carcass, not a live animal. The live animal is for their sick viewing pleasure...that's it.

In the US, at least people go to jail for animal cruelty...our company offers Pet insurance as an option among their benefits...I have it for my pets...