Hanoi John, Unfit to command 7/11

[lasagnabro]

Fact: John Kerry has 3 purple hearts and never spent one day in a hospital.
Fact: John Kerry returned to the U.S. after his brief 4 months of combat service in Vietnam to defame and bring charges against the U.S. military for various war crimes with full knowledge by all levels of command, this implicating the entire Army.
Fact: John Kerry before the Senate in 1971, by his OWN admission committed war crimes.
Fact: John Kerry as a private citizen in 1970 broke the law and negotiated truce settlements with the commie vietcong mass murderers.
Fact: John Kerry threw his own medals on the white house lawn in a protest in 1970.
Fact: John Kerry was the president of a known communist group called vietnam veterans against the war.
Fact: Vietnam veterans against the war, a known commie group, had drawn up plans to murder a sitting congressman who supported the just war in Vietnam.
Fact: John Kerry never reported the plot to authorities. If possible, to his credit john kerry left the group when the plan was made known in a gathering in Kansas City.
Fact: John Kerry left POW MIA Soldiers in Vietnam and instead returned with trade deals that DIRECTLY benefited his cousin a banker.
Fact: The Vietnam war that john kerry railed against for years, is now used to create his false hero status and is the main basis for his election campaign.
:mad:
Read enough? Check out my homepage and you can read for hours and hours and hours and hours. John kerry is a FRAUD and has been planning EVERY phase of his life in hopes of becoming President.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Being completely anti-Kerry, all I can say is........THANK YOU!!! :crying:

[Jen39503]

He scares me...and so does his wife. I saw that clip where she verbally attacked that reporter. Can you imagine what the world affairs are going to be like if mrs heinz kerry has to deal with dignitaries and their wives? .....sure hope they dont serve hunts ketchup at all these fundraisers.

[Jamel]

John Kerry is a wimp, and bush smoked too much crack. 3 purple hearts don't mean jack. He got a medal for getting hurt. I mean come on now, if he was a real war hero he would have recieved a real medal, like the medal of honor or bronze star. And as far as bush, i said enough with the crack comment.

[TwoTone]

......Bush still aint getting my vote.



TT

[Psycho for Dinar]

Then vote for Potus! :lmao:

[Psycho for Dinar]

The Hanoi twins are back together again!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/18/114927.shtml

[RET]

He scares me...and so does his wife. I saw that clip where she verbally attacked that reporter. Can you imagine what the world affairs are going to be like if mrs heinz kerry has to deal with dignitaries and their wives? .....sure hope they dont serve hunts ketchup at all these fundraisers.

Hey, Jen how about you and me send her a gift box full of hats, hair clips and barrettes? HER HAIR DRIVES ME NUTS! Did you see the clip where she took her hat off, bent over and wildly fluffed her hair while she was on stage (very First Lady Like!)? All this while he was waving and doing all of those sincere hand movements (that he's stood in front of the mirror and practiced for hours) . . . you like: thumbs up, patting his heart likes he's really touched, holding his arms out like he wants to embrace the crowd. I do a great impression of them! :lmao:

I know, that's petty, but . . . ! HER HAIR DRIVES ME NUTS! Oh, I think I've already said that!

[Psycho for Dinar]

Kerry is pro troop reduction.............

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/19/100848.shtml


Whoops, guess he's not................

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5745916/

[Uno]

The facts about Kerry missing the Senate Intelligence Briefings/Meetings before and after 9/11 are disturbing. If I missed work that many times, I'd be unemployed...or in jail if in the military. :no: I think it's ironic his campaign accuses Bush of being AWOL, but he has been AWOL from his Senate duties for years!! :mad:
Kerry's voting record...that is another frustrating subject... :(

[Marilyn]

Kerry has been working up to this moment his whole life. He carefully planned his career every step of the way to lead up to a presidency. He's not genuine, just a mere shadow of what he want's American to think he is, 'all things to all people'.

If elected he would give up our independence to the EU. Our forefathers would be rolling in their graves at the thought of Europe telling us what to do. Didn't we fight that war and win it in 1776?

[Marilyn]

Goals are fine.... shooting yourself in the a$$ to get a medal is pitiful.

[minigirl]

President Bush just hasn't given me a good reason that he deserves to keep his job.

These are my opinion and mine alone:

1. He'll follow through in Iraq, ensuring prosperity for Iraq (and for me, fingers crossed. lol)

2. The life of the American President is more at risk now than ever. I do not ever want Breck Girl Edwards in charge!

That's all! :)

[minigirl]

Honestly, I think Republicans are like creepy cult members.. all of the Republicans should all move to Waco and setup a compound and get it over with already.. :lmao:



:no: This is what I'm talking about. Why personal insults? I'm sure you've seen the "who are you voting for" thread - so you know you're getting personal with at least 25 people on this board. Why do it? I just don't get it. I was enjoying your post until then - but nobody is going to sway my opinion with this kind of unacceptable comments.

[danpeg]

Please don't let this thread flame.

[minigirl]

Please don't let this thread flame.


sorry! my bad potty mouth! :no:

[BRYAN]

[QUOTE=iraqimillionaire]Yep.. Vote for Bush/Cheney in '04 .. BECAUSE ARMAGEDDON CAN'T GET HERE SOON ENOUGH!!! :lmao:

If Bush in in office for another term, we may see $1USD=$1NID but not the way we expect.. it will be because the dollar has fallen while the dinar has not moved at all.

Well, I'm sure you Republicans out there don't believe in that, because good ol' Chimp Boy George won't steer us wrong, so would you believe it if a Republican think tank says it? http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-02-04.html

I'm glad I'm libertarian.

Ok, because of all the flag waving BS I have read here tonight, I will have to post some obligatory John Prine lyrics to cleanse this board. :)

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."[/QUO


not funny

[Wolverine]

John Kerry is a wimp, and bush smoked too much crack. 3 purple hearts don't mean jack. He got a medal for getting hurt. I mean come on now, if he was a real war hero he would have recieved a real medal, like the medal of honor or bronze star. And as far as bush, i said enough with the crack comment.

KEEP YOUR CRACK COMMENTS TO YOURSELF!! THAT'S MY PRESIDENT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!!! :happy26:

[Wolverine]

Quote:
Originally Posted by iraqimillionaire
Honestly, I think Republicans are like creepy cult members.. all of the Republicans should all move to Waco and setup a compound and get it over with already..

Actually we should just stay in TEXAS and secede from the union & by the way, you can tell Janet Reno "bring it on!!!" ANYTIME!!! :lmao:

[Jamel]

The truth hurts huh?

[Collegeinvester1000]

Jesus doesn't like killin for "any reasoN?" hmmmm might want to read up on that little tid bit and find out it just might nto be true.........self defense, defense of others, hunting animals? that's killin. Dumb lyrics.

[jethrobodine]

:huge: i believe, if my memory serves me correctly, that old slick willy bombed a little country over in the area known as macedonia--bosnia-kosovo, with NO PERMISSION FROM THE UN OR OUR OWN COUNTRY!! and did this as the monica thing was breaking, in the name of humanity!! so, why is it so bad for this pres to do the same? they are still killing people there today as well, so slick-willy didn't finish the job either, but gets slaps on the back for it all, and if you have been to iraq, you would of noticed that there are ALOT of macedonians working in iraq, but only in the office jobs!!! and alot of them are in the cushy-places, like at the kalifa in kuwait... :happy64:

[Jen39503]

It sure is nice to live in a country where freedom of expression is allowed, eh?
I think its ironic that we are on a discussion board for the Iraqi dinar, but yet there are so many negative comments about our president and his actions.
If he wouldnt have made the choice to liberate Iraq, NONE of us would be here.
What exactly is Kerrys stance on Iraq? To pull the troops out? My God, where we be then? Wiping our butts with dinar or using it as wallpaper border.
My instinct tells me that we need to keep Bush in office just so that he can follow through with whats been started. You may not agree with what hes done, but EVERYONE stands to gain alot of money because of his actions and i think that within itself is enough that we should all say "thank you" by reelecting him.
In closing, I dont care who you are, what your party is, where you live or your income bracket, he IS still our President and therefore deserves our respect.
I can only hope the dinar opens before the elections. Our investments will be toast if it doesnt. I think the whole world will be watching to see if we are going to follow throug or not.
Jen

[TwoTone]

One thing I learned very quickly in the military.... "You respect the rank, not the man"

You can respect him for me, i'll continue to pay due respect to the position.


TT

[minigirl]

KEEP YOUR CRACK COMMENTS TO YOURSELF!! THAT'S MY PRESIDENT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!!! :happy26:


yeah! Besides, he didn't smoke crack... he snorted coke. so there. :p

[Birdman]

How is the dollar going to go down that much? Isnt that a little extreme ?

Yep.. Vote for Bush/Cheney in '04 .. BECAUSE ARMAGEDDON CAN'T GET HERE SOON ENOUGH!!! :lmao:

If Bush in in office for another term, we may see $1USD=$1NID but not the way we expect.. it will be because the dollar has fallen while the dinar has not moved at all.

Well, I'm sure you Republicans out there don't believe in that, because good ol' Chimp Boy George won't steer us wrong, so would you believe it if a Republican think tank says it? http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-02-04.html

I'm glad I'm libertarian.

Ok, because of all the flag waving BS I have read here tonight, I will have to post some obligatory John Prine lyrics to cleanse this board. :)

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."

[CAP]

HAHA!! I thought it was utterly hilarious! Some people are so thin-skinned that my little song posting made them mark my reputation down (which is extremely flattering because I guess my little grain of truth bothered your conscience). And here I was thinking that Repubs didn't even have a conscience, I guess I stand corrected! :D

Thanks for the laugh! :wave:

Dude, no offense, but I honestly do not believe any of the educated conservatives on this board are threatened by your logic. Because you have none. You are simply repeating what you hear on CNN and MTV. I have read your posts. In 62, the only reason you have presented to vote for John Kerry is that you hate Bush. And that is Kerry's single biggest problem, and why he will lose by at least 4 points.

In fact, I do not believe you even know why you hate Bush so much. Do you believe all we have to do is reach out the olive branch to the radical muslims and appease them? That all we have to do is leave them alone, and in turn they will leave us alone? If so, then have another bong on me dude. :drunk: Ever heard of 9-11? 1993 World Trade Center bombing? And so on. The extremists are not shy in declaring their objective. Global Islamic rule!

Someone with historical knowledge of presidential elections, please provide an example of ONE candidate winning the White House because his party's primary argument is ANYONE BUT (insert candidate)........... :confused:

[CAP]

Feel free to attack me, but that doesn't erase the fact that *nobody* so far has been able to dispute the truth of what I'm saying. So please, continue the ad hominem and strawman attacks and continue to discuss everything about me and avoid the issues... because I love that. :wave:[/QUOTE]

Attack? O.K.........

You are calling conservatives uneducated, yet you have not spent the time to research anything more than the revisionist history you "learned" in the liberal's most heralded establishment, the public school system (assumption, of course). You can comment on "hating" republican's and what they stand for, yet if I, or anyone else, questions your accuracy it is deemed an attack? Come on my friend. Don't you see just a tiny amount of hypocrisy in that? I do not hate you, or liberals. Even though we could not disagree more on issues.

I simply question where your real hatred is rooted. Primarily because I do not believe you KNOW what republican's stand for. Or liberal's for that matter. Based upon your writing I get the impression you are an angry person, who has chosen to vent it poitically. Even though your knowledge of history, economics, and government are in my opinion inmature, reflecting pure emotion.

From this point on I think you and I can just agree to disagree on issues Mr.Millionaire (like the name), without getting personal. However, I would welcome a dialog with you via PM to discuss some of the other things I have breached. Or even politics for that matter. If it is done one on one, man to man, the temptation to upstage the last email with better sarcasm is eliminated. If I have completely offended you with my perceptions I apologize. But please consider my friendly invitation to PM, because I do not think an open forum will accomplish anything positive between you and I at this point. And personally, that is not my intent. Peace.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Nice lil' article.................

http://www.judicialwatch.org/3800.shtml

[Psycho for Dinar]

ANOTHER nice lil' article................

http://www.judicialwatch.org/3806.shtml

[Wolverine]

One thing I learned very quickly in the military.... "You respect the rank, not the man"

You can respect him for me, i'll continue to pay due respect to the position.


TT
you should be courtmarshalled and I shouldn't have to pay to educate you!!! :wave:

[Blake]

Oasis were not The Beatles, and Bush is not Hitler. Give it a rest already with the Hitler references.


Call Michael Moore or something, you damn loon. Your posts are an embarassment for everyone who has legitimate arguments opposing the current administration.

[CAP]

Oasis were not The Beatles, and Bush is not Hitler. Give it a rest already with the Hitler references.


Call Michael Moore or something, you damn loon. Your posts are an embarassment for everyone who has legitimate arguments opposing the current administration.

See Blake, I knew if we could stay civil you and I would find more than the dinar to agree upon! I have read the numerous posts between you and RogerL, and even though the two of you get heated I cannot remember it turning to hateful insults. Additionally, although you are wrong (in my opinion) on many of the issues, you provide a nice challenge for any conservative who desires to enter a debate with you. Primarily because you do not resort to unreasonable bull as your argument. I too share your obvious frustration with the direction this board has taken.:happy26:

Iraqimillionaire my friend, it is impossible to have an intelligent debate with you. Not because you aren't intelligent (see, I didn't call YOU stupid, stupid), but because you full of hate, rage, and insults. Blake is absolutely correct, you are an embarassment to my liberal friends, and I have quite a few, who oppose the Bush administration. You either need some therapy, or for your mommy to tell you she loves you. Probably both! :drunk:

Why don't you do the left and the right on this board a HUGE favor? Swallow some of the filling your mouth so you don't continue to spew it on our screens when you "speak"! Don't bother responding you little punk, you are now on my block list, and I seriously doubt I am the only one to do that.

Nobody likes you. You have NEVER provided a post that adds value to another person besides yourself. You have NEVER provided a positive post. You should just go away little boy.................................... :crying:

[Psycho for Dinar]

> > >Frightening and disgusting ..
> >BEWARE
Following is a brief backround on Mrs. John Kerry . She hates being
called that, by the way:

Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry. Married Senator
Kerry in 1995. She only took his name eighteen months ago and she is an
"interesting" paradox of conflicts.

If you thought John Kerry was scary, he doesn't hold a candle to his
wife! Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in
Mozambique, the daughter of a Portuguese physician, was educated in Switzerland
and South Africa. Fluent in five languages, she was working as a United
Nations interpreter in Geneva in the mid-60's when she met a "handsome" young
American, H. John Heinz, III, who worked at a bank in Geneva. He told
her his family was "in the food business."

They were married in 1966 and returned to Pittsburgh where his family
ran the giant H. J. Heinz food company. He was elected to the US House of
Representatives in 1971, and in 1976 he was elected to the first of
three terms in the United States Senate. A Republican, he wrote a burning
diatribe against some of the causes backed by young House member John
Kerry.)

Several years later, in 1991, he was killed when his plane collided
with a Sun Oil Company helicopter over a Philadelphia suburb. The senator,
his pilot and copilot, and both of Sun's helicopter pilots were killed. He
was survived by his wife, Teresa, and their three young sons. Four years
later,having inherited Heinz's $500 million fortune, she married Senator
John Forbes Kerry, the liberal then-junior senator from Massachusetts. She
became a registered Democrat and the process of her radicalization was
set in motion.

Heinz Kerry is not shy about telling people that she required Kerry to
sign a prenuptial agreement before they were married. John Kerry may not
have check writing privileges on the Heinz catsup and pickle fortune, but
he is certainly a willing and uncomplaining beneficiary of it.
A lot of hard-earned money, made through many years of hawking catsup,
mustard, and pickles has fallen into the hands of two people who
despise successful entrepreneurship and who believe in the confiscatory
redistribution of wealth.

So how does Mrs. Heinz Kerry spend John Heinz's money?
Just one example: According to the G2 Bulletin, an online intelligence
newsletter of WorldNetDaily, in the years between 1995-2001 she gave
more than $4 million to an organization called the Tides Foundation. And
what does the Tides Foundation do with John Heinz's money?
They support numerous antiwar groups, including Ramsey Clark's
International Action Center. Clark has offered to defend Saddam
Hussein when he's tried.
They support the Democratic Justice Fund, a joint venture of the Tides
Foundation and billionaire hate-monger George Soros. The Democratic
Justice Fund seeks to ease restrictions on Muslim immigration from "terrorist"
states.
They support the Council for American-Islamic Relations, whose leaders
are known to have close ties to the terrorist group, Hamas.
They support the National Lawyers Guild, organized as a communist
front during the Cold War era. One of their attorneys, Lynne Stewart, has
been arrested for helping a client, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate
with terror cells in Egypt. He is the convicted mastermind of the 1993
World Trade Center bombing.
They support the "Barrio Warriors," a radical Hispanic group whose
primary goal is to return all of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to
Mexico.
These are but a few of the radical groups that benefit, through the
anonymity provided by the Tides Foundation, from the generosity of our
would-be first lady, the wealthy widow of Republican senator John
Heinz, and now the wife of the Democratic senator who aspires to be the 44th
President of the United States.
Aiding and supporting our enemies is not good for America, regardless
of your political views.
If voters will open their eyes, educate themselves and see the real
Teresa Heinz Kerry, they will not appreciate her position as ultra rich fairy
godmother of the radical left. They will not want to imagine her
laying her head on a pillow each night inches away from the President of the
United States.

[RogerL]

Here's an interesting link:

Navy Challenges Kerry's Medals (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/2/120951.shtml)

[Iraqi Al Yahud]

Saudi Prince Bandar is quite upset over the possible defeat of his partner GW. Bandar believes John Kerry will not have the same lust or desire that GW currently has with the Saudi prince.

[Psycho for Dinar]

A vote for Kerry is a vote for his second Vietnam!!!

"This president rushed to war without a plan to win the peace, and he's cost all of you $200 billion that could have gone to schools, could have gone to health care, could have gone to prescription drugs, could have gone to our Social Security (news - web sites)," he said.


"It's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040906/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_19

[minigirl]

And as usual, Kerry is right. The president did rush to war without a plan to win the peace, and he has cost us $200 billion which could be put to better use.

Anyone who believes otherwise needs to put down the Republican Kool-Aid, and wake up and start smelling the coffee. Statements like this is why Kerry is getting my vote in 2004.


Aug. 31, 2003 - MEET THE PRESS

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080246/


MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?

SEN. KERRY: No. I think we should increase it.

MR. RUSSERT: Increase funding.

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: By how much?

SEN. KERRY: By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.


Soooooooo which is it? :confused:



(Welcome back to the Politics Forum, Mini!!)

Why thanks! It's great to be here! Think I'll go get a cup of coffee...smells done.

:D

[Wolverine]

I think you are missing the point here. I am really glad that Kerry is planning on increasing troop strength in Iraq -- we can't really just walk away at this point.

I am angry because the war in Iraq shouldn't have started in the first place and I still stand by my statement that anyone who thinks that we had a justification for war in Iraq needs to wake up and smell the coffee, because we have no *choice* now but to clean up this mess and we are spending $200 billion unnecessarily. Things didn't have to be this way though -- we could have focused on Afghanistan, where the terrorists actually were in the first place instead of removing a secular dictatorship so that terrorism and Islamic extremism could spread even more.

And... welcome back to the politics forum. :D :wave:

The Iraqi 's are happy we are there, the "insurgents" ARE terrorists. As for links , I told you the date & show, you're probably networked to Rather biased CBS, why would you need a link? :wave:

[Psycho for Dinar]

I am angry because the war in Iraq [B]shouldn't have started in the first place:


Once again, Russian President Putkin stated in a speach that he warned the United States that Sadam was plotting an attack similar to 9-11! What would have people said about Bush if he would have sat back and let it happen? Then he would have been put down for being to soft during times of National Crisis!

[neptune]

Once again, Russian President Putkin stated in a speach that he warned the United States that Sadam was plotting an attack similar to 9-11! What would have people said about Bush if he would have sat back and let it happen? Then he would have been put down for being to soft during times of National Crisis!
I agree. God knows what would have happened if we hadn't intervened.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Once again, Russian President Putkin stated in a speach that he warned the United States that Sadam was plotting an attack similar to 9-11! What would have people said about Bush if he would have sat back and let it happen? Then he would have been put down for being to soft during times of National Crisis!

Iraqimillionaire...you keep avoiding this.....why??? I know your a closet republican just waiting to come out! :lmao: I found a site for bumber stickers...gotta love this one!

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004071308_Display-25.gif

[Psycho for Dinar]

http://prodtn.cafepress.com/8/6864398_F_tn.jpg

:D

Well I guess your just a hard core tree hugger. God knows I've tried to convert ya but....what the hell, got a shot of scotch here with your name on it...someday! :wave: Keep up the good fight!

[FAST1]

He needs to be Hannitized! :wave:

[Psycho for Dinar]

I will not convert, in fact IT IS I WHO AM THE MISSIONARY. :D

I look forward to having a few rounds with all of you Republicans once we become U.S. millionaires instead of merely Iraqi Millionaires. :D

Just don't flip-flop the shot glass till its empty! :lmao:

[FAST1]

I will not convert, in fact IT IS I WHO AM THE MISSIONARY. :D

I look forward to having a few rounds with all of you Republicans once we become U.S. millionaires instead of merely Iraqi Millionaires. :D

Deal! :wave:

[Psycho for Dinar]

The State Department said it has discussed Chung's reported activities with the South Korean government and has no reason to doubt Seoul's representations he was an intelligence agent.

The department believes Chung's contacts with donors and fund-raisers, if accurately described in reports, were "inconsistent" with the 1963 Vienna Convention that prohibits visiting foreign officials from interfering in the internal politics and affairs of host countries, a spokesman for its legal affairs office said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132988,00.html


Must be like old times for good ol' J.k.!!!!

[minigirl]

The NIS dismissed any suggestion the South Korean government tried to influence American politics as a "totally groundless rumor and all fiction."

Sounds like a groundless story to me. I notice that other news outlets besides Fox and NewsMax aren't exactly clamoring to pick up this story.

God knows if CNN doesn't report it, it must not be true. :rolleye03
Or say, Dan Rather.

[minigirl]

Not only are CBS and CNN not reporting it, neither is anyone else outside of Fox and Newsmax. Use Google News search if you don't believe me.

Thanks for playing though. :wave:


I didn't believe you - so I did check. There are 18 other sources including MSNBC and ABC. No CNN or CBS though. So it may be true after all.

No, thank YOU! :wave:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/election/0904nation/22koreakerry.html

[FAST1]

Well I'll be damned, I checked your link and you are right.

Must be a breaking news story because when I checked 3 hours ago, no one was reporting it.. now a lot of outlets are.

The MSNBC article: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6065102/ says: Chung made some personal introductions but never directly solicited political donations, Ryu said.

Not only that, but the Dems appeared to have returned $4,000 dollars in "related donations" and claim to disavow knowledge that he was a spy.

I'm not sure what, if any implications this will have for the Dem campaign, especially if the Dems did not know he was a spy. It is surprising to see that “There’s an awful lot of people in this (South Korean) government who can’t stand the Bush administration and would love to see Bush lose.”

I would imagine this has something to do with the fact that North Korea has gone nuclear under Bush's watch and has pulled tons of troops from the South Korean border making them more vulnerable to invasion by the North.

Thanks for the link! :D

We all know the North Koreans had no nuclear weapons before Bush got into office. :no:

Pulling troops have no effect on South Korea's ability to defend an invasion. All troops in the vicinity would be mush. What's a matter with you? :confused:

[Psycho for Dinar]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_girlieman.jpg

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"Now accepting Iraqi Dinars"...kind of fitting for the forum! :lmao:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_edwards_sue.jpg

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"On Monday, Kerry said it was basically a civil war in Iraq, just like he said about Vietnam in 1971," Corsi told CNSNews.com . "Kerry said we need an international solution in Vietnam (in 1971), and he said we need an international solution in Iraq."

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200409\POL 20040921a.html

[Psycho for Dinar]

And he is DAMN RIGHT. It is better than Bush's policy -- the "sit on your and do nothing while Iraq crumbles" isn't exactly working out for us there right now.

But Iraq isn't crumbling...do you know that oil attacks are at a four month low. What happened with innocent american citizens in Iraq in the last few days wasn't done by Iraqis but Al-Quada scum. This isn't a civil war right now, a civil war is what Al-Quada wants to happen!

[Psycho for Dinar]

Is this the goup of foriegn Kerry supporters that will assist if he becomes President?


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_foreignleader_band.jpg

[Psycho for Dinar]

Now that was good!!! :lmao: We may be on different sides of the fence but damn, you can get me laughing!!! Wonder if this damn thing will let me give ya good rep points yet....keep up the good fight partner!!!


Refering to the Grinch dude!

[FAST1]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_grinchmp.jpg


Did you grow up reading that? :)

[Psycho for Dinar]

Hell, I could post these all night one for one! :D Let's see if we can get this up to 1000 posts! :D

Lets go partner! :lmao:

[FAST1]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_horsemen.jpg


How many boobs do you see in the picture?? :lmao:

[Psycho for Dinar]

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Due to work in the mornin' this will be my last one for the night. Been fun and keep up the good fight dude!!! :lmao:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_duet.jpg

[Psycho for Dinar]

Vietnam POWs Say Kerry's Words and Deeds Were Used by Guards to Torture Them

During a four-hour propaganda and harassment session, Boris pulled papers from his pocket and gave them to Warner to think about, he said. Some were clippings from a leftist newspaper in the United States. The other was a typewritten transcript of Kerry's testimony before a U.S. Senate panel in which he repeated allegations of U.S. troops routinely committing atrocities, attacking the war and saying communism was not a threat in Vietnam. :mad:

http://www.insightmag.com/news/697393.html

[Psycho for Dinar]

September 17, 2004
Kerry Denies Claims That He Has A Health Care Plan :lmao:
(2004-09-17) -- John Forbes Kerry, the Democrat presidential candidate, today denied allegations by President George Bush that Mr. Kerry has a plan for a "huge" government-controlled health care system.

"George W. Bush can only wish that I had a plan so he could have something to attack," said Mr. Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator. "But if I had a health care plan, don't you think I would have introduced it during my 19 years in the Senate? After all, the legislative branch is where legislation starts, not the executive. I could have written a health care bill, rallied support among my senate colleagues and used my ample leadership skills to push it through with a veto-proof majority."

Mr. Kerry acknowledged that he does "have a plan to blame Mr. Bush for the shortcomings of America's health care system. And I also have a plan to talk about having a plan. But to accuse me of actually having a health care plan that I plan to put in place during my presidency is cynical at best."

[minigirl]

And I also have a plan to talk about having a plan. But to accuse me of actually having a health care plan that I plan to put in place during my presidency is cynical at best."



Wait.... did vote to have a plan before voting against one?? Oh wait. He has a plan to talk about a plan? But no plan. I want to hear a plan! If Kerry had a plan, I might vote for him! What's the plan, Stan??? He's got a grand plan for Iraq, but the Dem doesn't have a Healthcare plan? Just a plan to talk about a plan. A planning meeting to discuss what the plans are to plan the plan. :lmao:

I think they should give Kerry as much airtime AS POSSIBLE between now and the election!! 24/7 - all Kerry, all the time!!! Maybe on Comedy Central.

:p

I'm cynical today.

[mechtech]

May 31, 2004
Kerry: New Slogan Confirms Identity
The presumptious Democratic presidential nominee, John Kerry President announced his new campaign slogan

"Anything Bush can do I can do better,
I can do anything better than Bush.
I'm Not Bush.
I'm Not Bush.
I'm Not Bush!"
The Senator from Massachusetts further elaborated on what exactly the slogan meant, "See? I'm just like Bush because I want the Republican vote yet I have incontrovertible proof that I am not Bush thereby making me the default choice of progressive minded people across the nation. On top of that I'm told my new slogan is just like a historically popular showtune thereby drawing interest from citizens who love showtunes not that there's anything wrong with showtunes."
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June 21, 2004
Kerry: Bush, Quit Talking and Do Something
With the American economy on a 6 month growth spurt, the rate of economic growth the greatest in over 20 years, the situation in Iraq seemingly settled down and Iraqi sovereignty just days away, presumptive democratic candidate John Kerry is hitting President Bush where his successes are fewest and not improving: the weather. Speaking from a open air stadium in New Jersey in a speech to the Meteorological Union of the Garden State, presidential hopeful blasted the presidents weather record with the following.

The drought out west could be the worst in 500 years. Flooding has been rampant nationwide. Hurricanes ravage our nation year after year. The president seems to always be talking about the weather, but y'know he never seems to do anything about it. When I'm president that will all change.
When I'm president, no more floods.
When I'm president no more droughts.
And when I'm president, no more hurricanes.
During my record as Lieutenant governor of Massachusetts you can see there were no floods, droughts or hurricanes in the state the whole time. Furthermore to back it up I have y'know multilateral support from several pagan deities, who shall remain nameless, who I have been assured will provide the control over the weather. The good weather that the American people....
At this a sudden downpour cut the presumptive Democratic nominee's speech short and flash flooding caused a local power outage.
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http://flyingspacemonkey.mu.nu/archives/cat_fake_news.php

Go visit him :lmao:

[Jen39503]

Those must have been the SWIFT BOAT VETS!!! :lmao:

I really hope youre not making fun of our tortured POW/MIA.

I dont think Kenneth Cordier was a swift boat vet http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/c/c094.htm

Neither was Jim Warner http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/w/w063.htm

Seems like there are a few of them. http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/meet-pows.asp

Why dont you take a minute of your day and read some of this stuff rather than make jokes about something you obviously dont know, or dont care, enough about?

Your precious Presdient wannabe is a disgrace.

[Psycho for Dinar]

http://www.themuseumofleftwinglunacy.com/FrenchurianCandidate.jpg

[mechtech]

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?kerrys_first_aid_kit

[Psycho for Dinar]

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?kerrys_first_aid_kit
That site is great!!!! Thanx!!

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/kerrys_legitimate_running_mate.jpg

[Jen39503]

Thats about the size of it.
P4D, you rock, lol

[Psycho for Dinar]

To say that Kerry was wrong for speaking out of mind against Vietnam is misguided at best. Part of being an American is having the freedom to speak out when something is wrong.

I know Republicans want to ban "non-approved" speech.. why do they hate the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America so much?

Freedom of speach is a beautiful thing but as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. Yah, he exercised his freedom of speach and it would be perfectly legit as long as it affected nobody else in an adverse manner. When we have troops in the field, or in that case, POW camps. His freedom of speach directly affected the lives of many men held captive in a foreign country! Waving the Constitution like a flag to justify an act of treason is rediculous! Kerry put good men in harms way with his "freedom of speach" and it'll show in November!!!

[Jen39503]

We can only hope for that P4D!!! Maybe next week he will be saying "i want your vote", and then 2 hrs later say "well, maybe not"

[mike55]

Here! Here! P4D!......"loose lips sink ships". There is an appropriate time and place to speak your mind. As a "high profile" public figure..Kerry really needs to watch his mouth.. election at the cost of lives overseas is NOT ACCEPTABLE! He lost what little respect I could muster up for him on that one. No class or integrity :(

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I'd rather have a First Lady than a First Class Bi**h!!

"Of course, there are idiots," Heinz Kerry, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, told the (Lancaster) Intelligencer Journal for Thursday's editions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210848/posts
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953776/

But of course all Tree Huggers will rally around the fact that "Freedom of Speach" allows our "possible" First Lady to call half the country idiots!!!

[mechtech]

One from the left:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

And one from the right:

http://www.electionprojection.com/


And a little something extra:

http://www.fahrenhype911.com/index.php



"If it's not close, they can't cheat." :D

[Psycho for Dinar]

So in other words, Republicans believe that people should speak freely, because they don't want the government to be embarassed.

Sounds a lot like communism to me. What side are the Republicans on, anyways?

If your calling the government a POW, I would say yes! Shut the hell up fool! In this case...Hanoi Jane and John! Lovely couple!!!

[Psycho for Dinar]

It is freedom of speech. I know Republicans want to censor the truth, especially because the truth hurts them pretty badly.

Bush loyalists support a man who has led to the destruction of our economy, alienated almost all of our traditional allies, and lead us into a failure of a war in Iraq that we shouldn't have started in the first place.

That, and they support the censoring of speech that doesn't agree with their views. Honestly, I think that calling them idiots is way too kind.

If Mrs. G. Bush had her mouth you Tree Huggers would be calling for an impeachment!

[Psycho for Dinar]

No, only the Republicans do that. For example, Clinton got a blowjob and people wanted him impeached..

Bush has ruined our economy, lied to get us into a war and no one is calling for his impeachment.

Unless my 3rd grade history teacher was wrong, 1st Ladies don't make foreign and domestic policy for the United States.

Maybe I'm not far enough on the Right. I gave Wild Bill a big salute for his acts. To bad ol' girl didn't have a bib!! Would have saved him alot of greif!!

Bush hasn't ruined the economy...no matter how much you want to believe Kerry!

First Ladies don't mean accept for being some type of dignified symbol. Spoiled brats have a hard time of that I guess!

[Psycho for Dinar]

Bush hasn't ruined the economy, huh? Keep living in a fantasy world, like Bush:

http://www.amtddj.inlumen.com/bin/djstory?StoryId=Cqvy:WaebqLqWmde2mtG

DJ UK PRESS: Pressure Grows On G7 To Agree Dlr Devaluation

09/26/2004
Dow Jones News Services
(Copyright © 2004 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)



LONDON (Dow Jones)--U.S. President George Bush is being urged to signal a dollar devaluation of up to 20% to rebalance the global economy ahead of Friday's Group of Seven and International Monetary Fund meetings in Washington, the U.K.'s The Business newspaper reported.

Senior U.S. administration officials in Washington have over the past few days tried to influence the White House and U.S. Treasury to put pressure on the G7 to agree to a dollar depreciation in its final statement, the newspaper said.

Recent data have shown the U.S. current account and trade deficits running at record levels, and economists have said a dollar depreciation is needed to rein these in.

The euro was quoted at $1.2260 in late New York trade Friday, compared with $1.2273 on Thursday. The dollar was fetching Y110.64 versus Y110.63, and CHF1.2624 versus CHF1.2598. The pound was trading at $1.8041, up from $1.7982.

The G7 will also call on the world's oil producers to take further action to bring down prices, The Sunday Times reported. Crude oil reached almost $49 a barrel in New York Friday, amid continued concerns that high energy costs will sap global growth.

Spurring economic growth will be high on the agenda at the meetings of G7 finance ministers and central bankers next week, U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said Friday.

"The promotion of economic freedom, opportunity and growth throughout the world will be a key topic," he said in a statement in New York City.

G7 officials meeting in Washington next week will be representing Canada, Italy, France, Germany, Japan, the U.K. and the U.S. Officials from China will also be present.

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Welcome to Bush's America.

Since the Euro is doing so well, how bout if the Euro brothers finally pay off their world war 2 debt to us...with the interest! Thats the deficit problem, we are expected to feed and save the world!

[Psycho for Dinar]

You are asking the wrong question. The correct question is:

"How do we repair our relations with our allies abroad and boost our national economy at home?"

Because unless those questions start being asked, the world will start using the Euro instead of the USD, and I don't think I need to spell out for you just how bad that would be for us.

Ahhh, and back to my point. Kerry isn't even in yet and he calls Allawi a lieing puppet? Is this repairing relations. And how will the ol' Lady behave in a situation...call them idiots?

[Psycho for Dinar]

We are on good terms with Britin. Spain bailed after a terrorist attack. As for France and Germany...Food for Oil spells out what they are all about!

[Jen39503]

Off to find the article that i read today that said that France WILL NOT enter into Iraq, regardless of who is in office.
I'll be back

[Psycho for Dinar]

OMG. :no:

Once again, you are missing the point. WE NEED TO MOVE PAST IRAQ, and repair our ties with our allies to create a *safer world* and *stronger world economy*, not to force them to get involved in Iraq. I can't even believe I'm having to explain this.

:rolleye03

The world has gotten a lot smaller, and the Iraq issue has divided it. Jeez, Republicans have such a hard-on for Iraq -- the world and all of it's issues do not revolve around Iraq, ok?

We played all that Mickey Mouse before 9-11! Didn't get us no where. Found out our allies were doing a stab in the back with under the table dealings with Iraq, against UN resolutions! Screw em' all! Our allies have proven not to be our friends. Time to look for someone new to play with when your friends act like that.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Uh huh. Well, when a candy bar costs you $20,000 USD (or worse yet, you are paying with Euros), I won't told you "I told you so".

Your mentality is destroying America right now.

:lmao: I feel the same about yours. Like Patton would say, "Here's from one son-of-a- to another." :lmao:

[Psycho for Dinar]

I can see how the Clinton years took care of the National Debt!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/history.gif

[Psycho for Dinar]

Q: When did the Debt pass the $5 trillion mark?

A: On February 23rd 1996, the Outstanding Public Debt jumped almost $30 billion to $5,017,056,630,040.53. This was the first time in history the U.S. National Debt surpassed the $5 trillion mark.
Almost exactly six years later, on February 26th, 2002, the Debt passed the $6 trillion dollar mark.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

[Jen39503]

OMG. :no:

Once again, you are missing the point. WE NEED TO MOVE PAST IRAQ, and repair our ties with our allies to create a *safer world* and *stronger world economy*, not to force them to get involved in Iraq. I can't even believe I'm having to explain this.

:rolleye03

The world has gotten a lot smaller, and the Iraq issue has divided it. Jeez, Republicans have such a hard-on for Iraq -- the world and all of it's issues do not revolve around Iraq, ok?
Yeah, guess i'm notso smart like you, and sometimes need a refreasher. But i did find this article interesting. Doesnt really pertain to the current situation, but reiterates to me that France is a country that WE dont need. http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm
To quote afew things from the article:

Sen. Ted Stevens, Alaska Republican and chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, declared that France's selling of military equipment to Iraq was "international treason" as well as a violation of a U.N. resolution.

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.


The U.S. military was about to go to war with Iraq, and thanks to the French, the Iraqi air force had become more dangerous.

An initial accounting by the Pentagon in the months after the fall of Baghdad revealed that Saddam covertly acquired between 650,000 and 1 million tons of conventional weapons from foreign sources. The main suppliers were Russia, China and France.

In May, Army intelligence found a stack of blank French passports in an Iraqi ministry, confirming what U.S. intelligence already had determined: The French had helped Iraqi war criminals escape from coalition forces — and therefore justice.

It sickens me. And THIS is the country that you think we should bow down and kiss their and be friends??? OMG give me a break...
I suppose i'm not understanding now either, am i?

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I'm sure a little thing called 9-11 and the actions following had nothing to do with that. Clinton avoided the war...even with an attack on the WTC! Not to mention Sudan offered to release Bin Laden to the Clinton administration and they declined. What a guy!!! I suppose if Bush was spineless things may be different on your Trade Graph.

[Psycho for Dinar]

Well, gotta be to work early tomarrow...guess someone has to keep up all these left wing welfare programs. :lmao: Keep up the good fight IM! :wave:

[Psycho for Dinar]

No, just to keep the Republicans from destroying America. Fortunately, you are your own worst enemy, so I don't have to fight much. :D

Don't be to harsh, you daisy pickers need us to protect you from the goolies! :lmao:

[Jen39503]

The whole point to the article was that france was selling arms to iraq during the UN embargo. But i'm sure you being so smart already knew that.
Kerry, France and you may not have a problem with that but i'm sure the over 8000 servicemembers that have been either killed or wounded, their widows/widowers, caregivers, families and friends have a BIG problem with that.
Maybe you could find something a little more recent than 1984?
Does your newspaper have a self-help section?

[FAST1]

Hey, Clinton killed the deficit, created more jobs than any other President in U.S. history, the U.S. dollar was the king of all currencies, and things were pretty quiet along the war front.

Its a shame that Bush has reversed all of that. He really does want to destroy the country, and it is an even bigger shame that he has people like you to support him who should know better.


Yeah, he set us up for a real butt slaming too. :mad:

[FAST1]

I couldn't agree more! I'm glad to know there is another guy here on this forum that won't be voting for Bush! :D

Nice try, I was talking about Clinton. But if it makes you feel better-go ahead and pretend. :p

[Jen39503]

Gee, is that what it said? They lost me after the second line...too much mumble jumbo for me. I'll take your word for it tho.
Did i say I cared about the UN? Dont think so, what i did say was that France was selling arms to Iraq during the UN embargo which directly affected our troops.
I provided a link that stated that France was involved in illegal arms sales to Iraq, as late as nov 2002
Have i ever said anything about the UN other than above stated posts I dont think so, if i did please direct me.
I stand firm that we do not need the likes of France, China and Russia being our friends. I would rather KNOW where we stand with them than have to wonder what they are doing behind our backs. ALL of our futures are at stake here. Kerry thinks hes going to waltz right in to the white house and the world suddenly is going to love america, well that is until he decides that he doesnt WANT the world loving us. Then again i have to wonder about a president wanna be that is so eager to have a country that has so obviously commited treason.....oh god, i can see a "and bush hasnt comment coming"
I'm curious to know what other countries France has been selling arms to...
They like us about as much as i like you. So much for world peace.

[FAST1]

drooling idiots? :lmao:

No need to get nasty. Things will work out, you'll see. :shhh:

[Jen39503]

you know, IM, youre right, I AM uneducated (in your eyes) i know nothing about Foreign policy and could care less about it. But if you go back through YOUR own posts, you only get pissed and riled when someone doesnt quite conform to your ideas and way of thinking. Who the are you, anyway?
But while youre over there spewing at the mouth, trying to get your ing point shoved down my throat, i'm laughing at you and you miserable self.
If it makes you feel better by calling me a drooling idiot, great...does it make you feel like a manly man? But this drooling idiot will go to bed tonight feeling good about what i've done in life, how i've raised my kids, i'll wake in the morning (God willing) enjoy my coffe, get in my SUV, get my radiation therapy, go to work, come home, log on here and shake my head at the new you've started. Tomorrow morning youll wake up and still be the same miserable person you are tonight.
The argument AND the floor is yours. But, youll be doing it alone.
G'nite
Oh, and i still don't like Kerry and France sucks.

[Marilyn]

I voted for Clinton and I liked him as President. He self destructed towards the end with Monica and his lies....and some of the other things I recently learned that he did are very disturbing in hindsight. Not taking Osama seriously was his number one mistake. The other, was dismantling the military to create the surplus. Our intelligence services were gutted. With the end of the cold war and Russia no longer a threat, the Berlin wall falling, we didn't seem to feel threatened.

But, now we know, it was a false sense of security. Paid for with the blood of the first 3000 casualties in the war on terror. Our neighbors and countrymen, killed in cold blood at The Pentagon, The World Trade Center and on all those passsenger planes.

I thank God that GW Bush was in office when it happened. Even though I campaigned against him in 2000. Even though I contributed to the Recount efforts...

[minigirl]

I thank God that GW Bush was in office when it happened. Even though I campaigned against him in 2000. Even though I contributed to the Recount efforts...


Thank you for your level head and honest comments Marilyn. I take the opinion of someone who sees things from all sides, and who was personally effected by 9/11, over people who are clearly so steeped in their beliefs that they couldn't see another side to things if you placed them right in your very shoes.

Oh, and thanks for adding the comment about Rhanda to your signature! I read the forum mostly from work, and I'm usually tearing my hair out over something -- then I see your signature and remember how bad I DON'T have it!! ;)

[Marilyn]

If that's true, IM, why didn't Clinton arrest him when he had the chance? I wasn't very concerned about terrorism then. I didn't even watch the news when my kids were small... who had the time?!?

[minigirl]

I run a company, trade currency, *and* have a very high level full-time job, girlfriend and personal life and I still find the time to read this news (not to mention posting here). I wish more people would take the time to read about the world and do it *not* only when something goes bad that personally effects them.



I really think you should spend more time with your girlfriend. :p Like right now. Go on... go see her! :D She misses you!

[Marilyn]

Why is Bin Laden so illusive? Who is he, really?

I've watched cable news all day, every day, since 9/11 and I still don't understand why this ^#%^#$%# is still not DEAD!
I saw the pictures taken from the drones, I know they can find him...

[QUOTE=iraqimillionaire]Oh, gimme a break. Same reason Bush hasn't arrested him!

Please edumacate me too...

[Marilyn]

I run a company, trade currency, *and* have a very high level full-time job, girlfriend and personal life and I still find the time to read this news (not to mention posting here). I wish more people would take the time to read about the world and do it *not* only when something goes bad that personally effects them.



This personal nastiness is unecessary... (A bit Blake-ish, no?)

[fms]

Why is Bin Laden so illusive? Who is he, really?

I've watched cable news all day, every day since 9/11 and I still don't understand why this ^#%^#$%# is still not DEAD!
I saw the pictures taken from the drones, I know they can find him...

He may already be pushing up daisies or became food for the vultures.

[Marilyn]

They would've scraped up enough DNA, I would hope, to ID him...

[mike55]

Wouldn't surprise me if we were told right before the elections that he has been killed.....what would that do for Bush? ;)

[fms]

Wouldn't surprise me if we were told right before the elections that he has been killed.....what would that do for Bush? ;)

I heard that Terasa Heinz Kerry said that OBL will be caught in the middle of next month.(she thinks we already have him and the Bush Adm. is waiting for the opportune moment)

[Marilyn]

She's such a nasty witch. I usually give folks the benefit of the doubt. But, everytime she opens her mouth, something nasty comes out. Not really 'First Lady' material, me thinks...

[minigirl]

She's such a nasty witch. I usually give folks the benefit of the doubt. But, everytime she opens her mouth, something nasty comes out. Not really 'First Lady' material, me thinks...


Oh Shove It Marilyn!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Marilyn]

No, you "shove it... scumbag" :drunk:

Oh my, did I say that.... :shhh:

[mike55]

CAT FIGHT!!! :happy64: :happy64: :lmao:

[fms]

Oh Shove It Marilyn!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
MINI :rolleyes: I`m shocked

[minigirl]

No, you "shove it... scumbag" :drunk:

Oh my, did I say that.... :shhh:


yes you did you eee-dee-utt! :p


Now you'll never be First Lady! :wave: lol

[fms]

Ladies, please. Put on a happy face :huge:

[minigirl]

Oh calm down guys! lol We're just doing our best Terrrrrrraaayyyyyzaaaa Heinz-Kerry impressions. :happy26:

[fms]

Oh calm down guys! lol We're just doing our best Terrrrrrraaayyyyyzaaaa Heinz-Kerry impressions. :happy26:
I know silly :lmao:

[mike55]

Yeah what he said... :o

[Marilyn]

LOL ... there are so many ' eee-dee-utts' out there, oh 'yes there are'...
How could they not like his health care plan?
:lmao:

[fms]

LOL ... there are so many ' eee-dee-utts' out there, oh 'yes there are'...
How could they not like his health care plan?
:lmao:
I don`t think the election is going to be as close as the pollsters predict.The media has hyped this whole thing up to sell advertising.Really no one in their right mind could possibly consider voting for JFKerry. The democrats chose a lame horse for this race.

[Marilyn]

Wow, nice summary of UBL, thanks. What about his family links here in the US. Aren't they on friendly terms with the White House and asking the US to show mercy on him? I saw his sister speaking on cable news. Couldn't this also be a deterrent to his demise? Or, his claims to posess suitcase nukes?

[RogerL]

Wow, nice summary of UBL, thanks. What about his family links here in the US. Aren't they on friendly terms with the White House and asking the US to show mercy on him? I saw his sister speaking on cable news. Couldn't this also be a deterrent to his demise? Or, his claims to posess suitcase nukes? UBL (or OBL for those who don't watch the Fox News Channel) is the black sheep of the family. For the most part, his family has disowned him, so being on friendly relations with the bin Laden family does not indicate any relationship with UBL at all. Some of the family have actually changed the spelling of their name (bin Ladin).

Also, it's been reported that UBL doesn't have much of his fortune left. It was estimated originally around $200-300 million, not a billion or more, but most has been spent on building al Qaeda. Nations around the world are putting the squeeze on al Qaeda's money-laundering operations, but with most of the organization disrupted, their training camps destroyed, and 2/3 of the leadership dead or captured, their overhead is signficantly less than before.

[Psycho for Dinar]

I don't think the health care plan is the major issue in the election -- I would say rebuilding our economy are the issues that the Dems are going to focus on in office -- they are the areas that need the most attention.

Is that this week, or last week, maybe next week! Oh well, according to T. Kerry we're idiots anyways....guess thats why we don't know the position of the week! Or was that last weeks.....

[mike55]

I would like to see less minimizing of the medals here. My dad was blown out of a foxhole in Korea and spent 1 year in a hospital rehab for his purple heart. If Kerry got his PH for catching his finger in a jeep door in a combat zone for example, he is eligible for a PH, however he should not brag. There are veterans who have lost limbs for their PH's and proudly display them, even though they should have also received bronze or silver stars along with the PH. Sometimes it's who you know, just like the civilian world on how many medals you get. I think Kerry flagrantly abused the system to look like a tough guy veteran even though he again undermined what we were trying to do for a nation that ASKED us to aid them. I'm writing my name on the ballot.. :D

[Psycho for Dinar]

I would like to see less minimizing of the medals here. My dad was blown out of a foxhole in Korea and spent 1 year in a hospital rehab for his purple heart. If Kerry got his PH for catching his finger in a jeep door in a combat zone for example, he is eligible for a PH, however he should not brag. There are veterans who have lost limbs for their PH's and proudly display them, even though they should have also received bronze or silver stars along with the PH. Sometimes it's who you know, just like the civilian world on how many medals you get. I think Kerry flagrantly abused the system to look like a tough guy veteran even though he again undermined what we were trying to do for a nation that ASKED us to aid them. I'm writing my name on the ballot.. :D

NOW THATS HOW A SOLDIER GETS A PURPLE HEART!!! Best wishes to you and your father!!! GREAT POST!!! :wave:

This damn thing says I can't give ya good rep points on that!

[FAST1]

I would like to see less minimizing of the medals here. My dad was blown out of a foxhole in Korea and spent 1 year in a hospital rehab for his purple heart. If Kerry got his PH for catching his finger in a jeep door in a combat zone for example, he is eligible for a PH, however he should not brag. There are veterans who have lost limbs for their PH's and proudly display them, even though they should have also received bronze or silver stars along with the PH. Sometimes it's who you know, just like the civilian world on how many medals you get. I think Kerry flagrantly abused the system to look like a tough guy veteran even though he again undermined what we were trying to do for a nation that ASKED us to aid them. I'm writing my name on the ballot.. :D

Since you brought it up, and I like to brag about family. My father in law earned a Purple Heart at Guadal Canal. Yes-he was a Marine of the 1st Mar Div. It was a truly nasty situation-no scratch thing....
Maybe I should also point out Oliver North, 1 bronze, 1 silver, 2 Purple hearts and turned down a third to stay with his unit.
More importantly, there are many vets that are highly decorated that will not mention it because they think it is in poor taste. They know that a vast majority of troops did the same and recieved no credit.
I am not impressed with Kerry. I think he all over our veterans.

[Marilyn]

I appreciate their service, Semper Fi to your Uncle. Great American Hero's, all !


I understand that the third PH is a ticket home, a technicality. I read that many soldiers turned them down so they could stay with their units. It seems that Kerry collected them up PDQ to get the heck out of Viet Nam. I read that when he enlisted with the Swift Boats, they were not slated to go to VN. It was only after he was already in, that they were sent over. That's why the hasty exit...

[RogerL]

Maybe I should also point out Oliver North, 1 bronze, 1 silver, 2 Purple hearts and turned down a third to stay with his unit. More than that. Oliver North turned down THREE purple hearts to stay with his Marines. He was eligible for FIVE of them. That's bravery and dedication.

[Marilyn]

I love watching Ollie on Fox News....
Always had a thing for men in uniform... ;)

My best friends Uncle had a Purple Heart from Nam, and a shiny new metal plate in his head, after his buddy saved him from grenades that were tossed at their tank. His buddy died... I can't even begin to tell you the endless guilt Uncle Mike felt for surviving it....

Real Hero's don't go aroung claiming to be hero's. They are dedicated people and when pressed will admit only to "doing their job". They would never even consider calling themselves hero's....

"Nah, we're no hero's, we were just doing our job..."
Great American Hero, Everywhere USA

[FAST1]

More than that. Oliver North turned down THREE purple hearts to stay with his Marines. He was eligible for FIVE of them. That's bravery and dedication.

Wow! I did not know that about Oliver North. :)

I did meet Carlos Hathcock when I was stationed in Quantico. I was lucky enough to attend a class he gave. :rolleye03

There are a lot of real heros walking around out there. We just have to be respectful. :wave:

[FAST1]

OMG, AM I TRULY SEEING YOU GUYS GET NOSTALGIC FOR OLIVER NORTH, A CONVICTED CRIMINAL AND AMERICAN TRAITOR?

You know this guy was caught selling arms to Iran, America's sworn enemy right? You realize he did this right after the hostage crisis of the late 1970's right?

Truly, elephants can't produce the amount of excrement I see flying across this forum on a daily basis.

Here is one of the kinder biographies of your "hero" Ollie North: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/oliver-north/

A few juicy excerpts:

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"Ollie" is, without question, America's favorite traitor. He helped the Reagan administration commit a bunch of felonies, then destroyed evidence as fast as he could before the Iran-Contra investigation got into full swing. But people just seem to adore the guy anyway, despite his continual lies and total disregard for the U.S. Constitution.

According to North's sworn testimony, his primary effort was coordinating covert sales of weapons to the government of Iran, and then funneling those profits to buy weapons for the Contra army in Nicaragua.

The only problem is, those actions were completely illegal. The Boland Amendment banned the U.S. Government from funding the Contras.

North had the best possible reason to wipe his with the American flag: cash money. Ollie was buying his weapons through a business owned by Richard Secord, a retired Air Force Major General. In May of 1996, Secord stuffed $200,000 into a Swiss bank account earmarked for tuition fees for Ollie's children. The previous year, Secord had personally handed over thousands of dollars in cash.

THIS IS YOUR HERO.

He is a patriot. You can have your Jimmy Carter, Chomsky, Castro. Keep up your hate of my country, we have no use for you.

[Psycho for Dinar]

All I can say to that is "whatever". Calling Kerry a flip-flopper won't distract anyone with two brain cells to rub together that Bush has no domestic or foreign policy, save for getting people killed in Iraq, and destroying our jobs and economy at home.

There is no "position of the week". Turn off the Fox news, and actually *read* about the candidate's website (even if you don't agree with it).

Although this is but one facet of their plans, I'll even post it for you:

John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address the soaring cost of health care that will cut premiums by up to $1,000 and help insure an additional 27 million Americans who don't have health coverage.

Kerry and Edwards will put medical decisions in the hands of doctors and their patients and stop bureaucrats who nothing about medicine from making life and death decisions.

Unlike Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan that only gives money to pharmaceutical companies, the Kerry-Edwards plan will provide prescription drug relief that allows Americans the discounts available in Canada.

John Kerry and John Edwards believe that every American deserves the same quality of care that members of Congress receive and will allow every American to enroll in that system.

The Kerry-Edwards plan gives tax cuts to small businesses to help them cover their workers.

Let's compare that with Bush:

Under George Bush, families are paying 50 percent more for their health care. Medical expenses have risen at four times the rate of wage and Bush has no plan to reverse these trends.

Since Bush took office, 5 million Americans have lost their health insurance. Today, one in seven (45 million) Americans have no health coverage.

According to the Bush administration's own estimates, 3.8 million Americans will lose their retire health plans as a result of his Medicare law. And this is in spite of $89 billion in subsidies the law gives big business to maintain coverage for retirees

Bush's Medicare law won't cut seniors' drug expenses because it does nothing to control the rising cost of drugs, according to Consumers' Union. And his new drug discount cards provide less savings than is already available through mail order services and suppliers in Canada.

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I have visited the the GOP's website quite a few times.. it wouldn't kill you to get an alternate perspective either.

Ohhh no, you just called him a flip-flopper. I was stating that ol' lady Kerry was calling Americans idiots. How do you put it, stick to the issue!

[Uno]

The U.S. also began occupying Mecca and Medina (Islam's two holiest cities) during the first gulf war -- this pissed off a lot of muslims. :no: This is an absolute LIE!! All U.S. soldiers were forbidden from leaving the bases, except for travel to another U.S. base. Mecca and Medina were expressly forbidden to visit, even to travel through. I commuted between Jiddah, Taif and surrounding bombing ranges many times and had to travel with a Saudi military escort to ensure we did not "accidently" go into those cities.
Your BS has been called, I have first hand knowledge from being there. I can provide travel vouchers and citations backing up my time there. What can you provide as proof? Another liberal or anti american website?? :mad:

IM, be honest, you are really Michael Moore aren't you? George Soros? Come on, come clean!! :lmao:

[mechtech]

"Facts are stubborn things."

-Ronald Reagan

[Psycho for Dinar]

http://www.dixiedrifter.com/boycott/michael-moore.jpg

[minigirl]

http://www.shrubbish.com/beavis.jpg

[minigirl]

Just because you weren't there doesn't mean that other soldiers weren't there after the first Gulf war.

A snippet from one of 1000 news articles and editorials:

Why U.S. Military Bases Are Good for Mecca and Medina
Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, Oct. 15, 2001, at 2:13 PM PT


It's well known that the establishment of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia at the outset of the Persian Gulf War caused Islamic fundamentalists, in particular Osama Bin Laden, much consternation.

http://slate.msn.com/id/1008435/

The only reason you weren't allowed there is that the Saudis were forced to keep the soldiers away from the cities after the Saudi people had a near revolt. You might want to consider learning what has happened in the middle east for at least the past 20 years before flying off the handle. :D

Cute Michael Moore reference, though. Is "anti-American" whatever disagrees with the Fuhrer George Bush these days? :wave:


Yeah... well.... I went to Cambodia last Christmas! I remember it like it was yesterday.... the sights... the sounds! It's etched into my brain! We saw Les Misrables, and went to Radio City Music Hall to see the Rockettes Christmas Program - it was beeeeauuuutiful! Then we went skating at the rink at 30 Rock. In the morning, we waved on the Today show! It was a hoot! :drunk:

[mechtech]

IM, You don't even read your own "supporting" references!

Besides the fact that we were never in Mecca or Medena, no where in your article does it say that we were!

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Perhaps if you took yourself less seriously and showed a bit more respect in your replies, others might regard you with something more than amusement.

A few days ago, I was driving down the street and a woman pulled up alongside me. She was waving a Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker at me and yelling who knows what at me (she had apparently noticed the Bush Sticker on my truck). My window was up so I couldn't hear her and when I smiled back at her she became even more unhinged. The light changed and we went on our way.

As I drove on you were the first person that came to mind. :lmao:

[Psycho for Dinar]

IM, You don't even read your own "supporting" references!

Besides the fact that we were never in Mecca or Medena, no where in your article does it say that we were!

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Perhaps if you took yourself less seriously and showed a bit more respect in your replies, others might regard you with something more than amusement.

A few days ago, I was driving down the street and a woman pulled up alongside me. She was waving a Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker at me and yelling who knows what at me (she had apparently noticed the Bush Sticker on my truck). My window was up so I couldn't hear her and when I smiled back at her she became even more unhinged. The light changed and we went on our way.

As I drove on you were the first person that came to mind. :lmao:

That figures! Freedom of Speach only applies to when you agree to the Dems. If you don't your a Nazi, a child killer, or whatever way THEY decide to use their Freedom of Speach. Ol' lady Kerry can call me an idiot and IM can call me a Nazi but come November I'll be able to use my freedom of speach to call them looooooseeerrrss!! :happy64: But they have both made that pretty obvious so far in their own special way!

[RogerL]

After the 2000 elections the Civil Rights Commission, over the objections of its Republican members, blamed Republicans for suppressing black votes in Florida but couldn't find a single person who wanted to vote who didn't. They also cited ridiculous examples of intimidation such as four empty police cars parked on a corner over a mile from the polling station as incontrovertible proof that Jeb Bush stole the election for his brother.

Just like the poor evidence presented by the Civil Rights Commission with a conclusion that didn't pass the laugh test, you've presented an article that doesn't show a single instance of anyone's First Amendment rights actually being suppressed. Gee, law enforcement showing up at a demonstration? That's unusual, NOT! And potential violence at a demonstration? You must have forgotten about the cop that was beaten up and hospitalized outside this year's GOP convention.

Not a very effective argument. Better luck next time.

[Marilyn]

OMG, IM.... are you really quoting from ROTTEN . COM ???

Please tell me you have a better source ... :no:

[RogerL]

One of the CRC's problems with the elections then and now is the fact that even people that were denied clemency were denied votes:

"the Miami Herald found more than 2,100 people on the list who had received clemency and in fact had every right to vote under state law," Neas said.

Even more remarkable to some were the findings of investigative reporter and author George Palast, who also testified at the hearing. Palast said he discovered that some voters on the purge list were convicted in 2007, which he termed "future felons." In addition, 4,000 purged voters had blank conviction dates — providing no verification of a felony."

http://www.civilrights.org/issues/cj/details.cfm?id=24661

I would say that items that are on the public record should not be classified as "poor evidence."

The fact that a lot of the companies that tally the votes (Diebold, Accenture) have strong Republican ties and have made statements that indicate partisan bias does not make anyone comfortable, either.You also forget to include the fact that whites, who vote more Republican than blacks, were twice as likely as blacks to show up incorrectly on the felon lists. So why would Republicans want to suppress their own vote?

Besides, you ducked the fact that your article showed no evidence whatsoever of anyone having their First Amendment rights suppressed, which was the whole point of your original post.

[RogerL]

Maybe the Republicans think that the people who received many of their felony charges won't vote Republicans? I can't speculate as to the reason, only that the GOP is trying to deny people their legitimate voting rights.

I didn't duck anything. The article said that:

Even more remarkable to some were the findings of investigative reporter and author George Palast, who also testified at the hearing. Palast said he discovered that some voters on the purge list were convicted in 2007, which he termed "future felons." In addition, 4,000 purged voters had blank conviction dates — providing no verification of a felony."

And you don't believe if someone was trying to classify you as a "future felon" to deny you your voting rights that that isn't curtailing free speech?

Maybe you should go back and read my post again. Perhaps you should re-read mine. Your whole point in your post at 9:02 PM was that First Amendment rights were being suppressed by god-awful Republicans and that evil John Ashcroft. My whole point was that your article failed to point to a single instance of any person being deprived of their First Amendment rights. That's what the duck comment was about.

And what's this about "maybe the Republicans think that the people who received many of their felony charges won't vote Republicans?" That's a refutation?

[RogerL]

When people are being unjustly purged from voter rolls, that is pretty clear and damning evidence that people are being denied 1st Amendment rights, and I don't remember making a reference to that assclown Ashcroft. What color is the sky in your world?

No refutation, you and I don't have a clear answer to this -- I'm just speculating the exact same way that you are. It is clear that for *some* reason, the Republicans want to unjustly purge voter rolls. I think you're confusing two different things here.

Your post at 9:02 PM had nothing to do with voter rolls, but had everything to do with demonstrations and the Patriot Act. The First Amendment is freedom of speech, press, and religion. Voting is part of the main body of the Constitution.

I once again say that you ducked the fact that the article you posted said nothing about anyone actually being deprived of their freedom of speech, just dark hints that evil Republicans wanted to suppress it.

[RogerL]

Oh, that post? Where I posted that:

Indeed, the administration has sent mixed signals on free speech after September 11th. Weeks after the attacks, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said that Americans, "need to watch what they say, watch what they do."5 And Attorney General John Ashcroft, came under heavy criticism for saying that critics of the Patriot Act "aid terrorists."6

And that isn't threatening free speech? You don't think that is evil?

Why should I have to "watch what I have to say".. there is still a thing called the 1st Amendment right?

I suppose if Bush gets re-elected, he will repeal that amendment, as it "aids and gives comfort to the terrorists".
So what was the context? I suppose you'd think "Loose lips sink ships" during WWII was an obvious attempt by Roosevelt to destroy free speech? In wartime, that line makes a lot of sense.

And where's your evidence somebody was actually prevented from exercising their right of free speech? Wasn't in that article.

[RogerL]

Once again, this isn't WWII, and "Loose lips sink ships" only applied to people *in* the military, and I should know -- that same poster used to hang right across from my bunk in the barracks when I was in the service.

You see, here in America, we *civilians* have 1st Amendment Rights, and aren't subject to the provisions of the UCMJ like military personnel -- well at least not yet, Bush hasn't gotten his way yet.

Once again, the first post I made showed free speech being openly threatened by the administration, my later posting with evidence of the voter rolls being purged shows free speech actually being suppressed in America right now. You perceive a threat that you have no proof actually exists. Taken in any number of different contexts, those statements mean different things. You've failed to provide the context and I'm too lazy to look it up. So what's your proof that Ashcroft wants to take away people's FA rights? I pointed out a context where something that seems bad could end up being wise, such as that WWII slogan.

You even admit that you have no proof of why voters incorrectly show up on purge rolls. This is government, you know. There are all sorts of reasons why those things happen, very few of them malicious in any way and most of them bureaucratic bungling. I'm not saying that it wasn't malicious since none of us know, including you since you admitted it. Just by that admission, you've sunk your entire argument.

All you can say is that you think they're being malicious.

[RogerL]

I call statement by government officials saying "you should watch what you say" a threat... no way you can spin that one (although I'm sure the Repubs will try anyways)

As for voter rolls, don't need proof of WHY, I have only proved it *is* happening, and that is a problem enough.

"This is the government, you know", and "there are all sorts of reasons why those things" happen doesn't cut it -- there is credible proof the Republicans are actively purging voter rolls again, and not having a proof of motive for criminal act does not "sink my argument", as you say.

The American people are not going to just stand by quietly while the Republicans rig another election, you know. You do know that to win an argument, you have to provide proof when you're the one making the accusation. Your whole argument hinges on: well I see these things happening. I don't know why, but it must be a vicious Republican plot to destroy America.

With those standards, I think CBS is hiring. :)

[minigirl]

I can't leave you two alone for a minute!! :mad:

Now, both of you go sit in your corners! I'll be over to spank each of you in a minute!

[RogerL]

I can't leave you two alone for a minute!! :mad:

Now, both of you go sit in your corners! I'll be over to spank each of you in a minute! Promises, promises. ;)

[minigirl]

Promises, promises. ;)


Drop 'em!!! http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/tweetz/moon.gif