Global Warming.. No need to worry, right?

[geowhiz]

For all the MSM denial folks out there, move on and bash the next big conspiracy. As an expert in meterology and glaciology, I say keep alert, make sure your kids arent sleeping under an unsupported roof load, and a keep a food supply in your crawl space.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23048491/

[REITman]

I ran all my gas powered tools last week to run out the gas for the winter. I did my part so I won't have to do this in the future. :giggle:

[geowhiz]

True, well I sure aint gonna spend the dough to re-insulate my house nor am I selling my truck, and I happen to like my two-stoke dirtbike. (So what's my argument?) Oh, yeah, just make sure you move above the flood plain along the rivers east of the Miss. and at least 20' higher than the highest tide along the beaches.

[removed account per user]

The Earth's environment and temperature fluctuates... everybody knows it fluctuates.

People who want to dip in to my paycheck to set up a government program to stop the fluctuation of Earth temperatures and climate are what I have a problem with.

1 volcano eruption like Mt St Hellens will product more CO2 than the entire industrial output of the US in a year. 1 slight change in solar activity (THE SUN, THE BIG THING THAT HEATS OUR SOLAR SYSTEM) does more to affect climate on Earth than all the industrial activity of mankind.

The people who tell you that man controls nature, are not only arrogant and uninformed, but also universally have an agenda to get some of our paychecks through force of government.

[removed account per user]

As an expert in meterology


An expert in meterology? So like, you can convert from inches to cm in your head? Er wait, AN EXPERT, so maybe decatherms to gigajoules? :lmao:

[INRI]

I have seen some charts about the years and reasons for global warming etc etc etc, seen the movies Inconvienent truth, and the Global warming swindel. But, I have often wondered why there was never a spike in atmospheric tempetures during WWII?
Wouldn't you think that Fatboy and Little boy(10x hotter than the center of the sun) would let out an enormous amount of carbon dioxide, methane, greenhouse gases, nitrous oxide, radioactivity etc and cause a spike? Not a spike on the chart during that time period.

[geowhiz]

The Earth's environment and temperature fluctuates... everybody knows it fluctuates.

People who want to dip in to my paycheck to set up a government program to stop the fluctuation of Earth temperatures and climate are what I have a problem with.

1 volcano eruption like Mt St Hellens will product more CO2 than the entire industrial output of the US in a year. 1 slight change in solar activity (THE SUN, THE BIG THING THAT HEATS OUR SOLAR SYSTEM) does more to affect climate on Earth than all the industrial activity of mankind.

The people who tell you that man controls nature, are not only arrogant and uninformed, but also universally have an agenda to get some of our paychecks through force of government.


Cant deny there is a global weather pattern change, whether its man-made of just the grace of God is another argument. Just be ready and be careful where you decide to live. I say buying real-estate in tornado alley is a bad investment and a crapshoot. I have a friend who lives in the OK City area and he has never seen weather (ice storms, snow, wind, tornados, etc) as bad as he has the last two years. Colorado is just drying up, catching fire, and collecting beetles, and California.. Is just California. Its not the end of the world, just an adjustment.

[geowhiz]

An expert in meterology? So like, you can convert from inches to cm in your head? Er wait, AN EXPERT, so maybe decatherms to gigajoules? :lmao:


Cute, but with my expertise I can actually translate the junk the Fox News weatherbunnies put out every morning. Im quite proud. :giggle:

[INRI]

what do you mean we set of twenty or thirty of those in the desert.....even bigger....we did a 5 megaton blast above ground....

Further proves what I was saying.

Thank you

[removed account per user]

I have seen some charts about the years and reasons for global warming etc etc etc, seen the movies Inconvienent truth, and the Global warming swindel. But, I have often wondered why there was never a spike in atmospheric tempetures during WWII?
Wouldn't you think that Fatboy and Little boy(10x hotter than the center of the sun) would let out an enormous amount of carbon dioxide, methane, greenhouse gases, nitrous oxide, radioactivity etc and cause a spike? Not a spike on the chart during that time period.

The Earth is so huge, a single nuke isn't even a blip on the radar. During the cold war, the US and Soviets were detonating dozens per year. A good volcanic eruption releases far more energy than a nuke. Ironically, volcanoes cool the earth by spewing reflective ash and aerosols.

The cataclysmic eruption of Krakatoa in 1883 was felt thousands of miles away and sent out tsunamis 120 feet high, killing more than 37,000 people. Scientists now realize the volcano's eruption influenced the oceans worldwide for 50 or more years afterward

In November, scientists led by John Church of CSIRO, Australia's national science agency, reported that Pinatubo's shadow of gases and dust took 3 billion trillion joules of heat energy out of the world's oceans and almost immediately dropped global sea level by 5 millimeters.


1991 Pinatubo Volcanic Eruption (Philippines)

3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules of heat energy removed from oceans (by reflecting sunlight)

50 megaton H-bomb energy yield

21,000,000,000,000,000 joules



Conclusion : moderate volcanic eruption cools the earth a MILLION times more than a high-yield H-Bomb heats it.

[geowhiz]

I have seen some charts about the years and reasons for global warming etc etc etc, seen the movies Inconvienent truth, and the Global warming swindel. But, I have often wondered why there was never a spike in atmospheric tempetures during WWII?
Wouldn't you think that Fatboy and Little boy(10x hotter than the center of the sun) would let out an enormous amount of carbon dioxide, methane, greenhouse gases, nitrous oxide, radioactivity etc and cause a spike? Not a spike on the chart during that time period.


Climate changes based mainly on oceanic warming patterns are from changes in the "hydrologic cycle". Glaciers regress, fresh melt-water goes to the sea, and weather patterns change. Of course its happened in cycles since the Precambrian, but there werent any humans living in cities on the coasts, major deltas, or river valleys back then. Lots of folks are gonna die while you people snicker.

[removed account per user]

Cant deny there is a global weather pattern change, whether its man-made of just the grace of God is another argument. Just be ready and be careful where you decide to live. I say buying real-estate in tornado alley is a bad investment and a crapshoot. I have a friend who lives in the OK City area and he has never seen weather (ice storms, snow, wind, tornados, etc) as bad as he has the last two years. Colorado is just drying up, catching fire, and collecting beetles, and California.. Is just California. Its not the end of the world, just an adjustment.

While people will always individually make good or bad choices, mankind always overcomes... We've been victorious over the climate since we first wielded fire.

[geowhiz]

While people will always individually make good or bad choices, mankind always overcomes... We've been victorious over the climate since we first wielded fire.

Ill concede to that, but sure as hell wont be buying beachfront in the Keys post-RV.

[Gladiator]

Cant deny there is a global weather pattern change, whether its man-made of just the grace of God is another argument. Just be ready and be careful where you decide to live. I say buying real-estate in tornado alley is a bad investment and a crapshoot. I have a friend who lives in the OK City area and he has never seen weather (ice storms, snow, wind, tornados, etc) as bad as he has the last two years. Colorado is just drying up, catching fire, and collecting beetles, and California.. Is just California. Its not the end of the world, just an adjustment.


“Global weather pattern change” describes the status quo. It’s always changing and always has been. All phenomena of nature undergo constant oscillation.

[geowhiz]

“Global weather pattern change” describes the status quo. It’s always changing and always has been. All phenomena of nature undergo constant oscillation.



I think Gore is as nutty as a Snickers, and a bad representative for anything scientific, but you cant deny the serious effects of large sections of the Arctic, Antarctic, and Greenland melting out and going to the sea. Hope for the best, count on the worst. Im just pissed because the coral reefs I love to dive in and fish in are bleaching out in dramatic fashion.

[Gladiator]

Climate changes based mainly on oceanic warming patterns are from changes in the "hydrologic cycle". Glaciers regress, fresh melt-water goes to the sea, and weather patterns change. Of course its happened in cycles since the Precambrian, but there werent any humans living in cities on the coasts, major deltas, or river valleys back then. Lots of folks are gonna die while you people snicker.



http://www.rangemagazine.com/features/winter-08/wi07-inconvenient.pdf

Quote from article:

“leading scientists who provide hard evidence that Al Gore is wrong and that global warming is primarily natural, not man-caused.”

“…the DVD dispels all the myths about man-made global warming and exposes the political agenda behind it.”

“...over 17,000 scientists have signed a petition claiming there is insufficient evidence to justify any legislation to limit CO2 emissions.”

[teddysalad]

Ill concede to that, but sure as hell wont be buying beachfront in the Keys post-RV.

OK. So where would you buy? Where could be 'safe'?

[Gladiator]

I think Gore is as nutty as a Snickers, and a bad representative for anything scientific, but you cant deny the serious effects of large sections of the Arctic, Antarctic, and Greenland melting out and going to the sea. Hope for the best, count on the worst. Im just pissed because the coral reefs I love to dive in and fish in are bleaching out in dramatic fashion.

The only “dramatic fashion” I see is in the language used by people who run around like scared rabbits, worried about "global warming." (or should that be "climate change")

[geowhiz]

OK. So where would you buy? Where could be 'safe'?


I wouldnt touch anywhere along the Gulf or Atlantic seaboards, thats for sure and for certain. Im thinking about 100' up a hill and a quarter mile outside the highest tideline of a well protected bay in Mexico far away from any major hurricane activity for the last 100 years. (Oh wait, that's exactly where we bought). Have fun Florida! :rock:

[geowhiz]

The only “dramatic fashion” I see is in the language used by people who run around like scared rabbits, worried about "global warming." (or should that be "climate change")


I just worry about the kids man.. the kids. If there is a trend of sorts it wont affect you or your wife. Whatever they call it, it IS affecting our weather in certain geographical parts, either through too much rain, not enough rain, or deadly storms.

[Wolverine]

I say buying real-estate in tornado alley is a bad investment and a crapshoot. I have a friend who lives in the OK City area and he has never seen weather (ice storms, snow, wind, tornados, etc) as bad as he has the last two years..
My great-great grandfather left Texas to homestead a farm in Oklahoma when they first opened it to white settlers . The only constant with Oklahoma weather is that there is none and never has been. My family survived the the dust bowl years there and up until that era started, nobody had ever witnessed such a weather phenomenon . There were always freak floods, drought, heat, ice, snow, more heat, more drought, more flooding and YES, even TORNADOS at all times of year, not just spring season when they are generally more predominant. So contrary to popular belief tornados aren't a Bush/Cheney exclusive like for instance hurricanes which reminds me, where were all those horrific hurricanes this past season ??? I can't wait until a democrat gets elected and puts a stop to all the storms, or at least passes a law that storms can only wipe out rich white people and big greedy corporate interests, then they won't have to worry about their communities being invaded by gangbangers !!!

:rock: :smoke:

[Gladiator]

I just worry about the kids man.. the kids. If there is a trend of sorts it wont affect you or your wife. Whatever they call it, it IS affecting our weather in certain geographical parts, either through too much rain, not enough rain, or deadly storms.


I think you’re missing the point: the state of the weather is no different from any time in history.

The only change is in the language we use. What used to be called rainstorms, snowstorms, tornadoes or hurricanes are now called “extreme weather,” and this imaginary fairy tale of a problem is fraudulently linked to energy usage.

Scare tactics. Won’t work on me.

[Gladiator]

I just worry about the kids man.. the kids. If there is a trend of sorts it wont affect you or your wife. Whatever they call it, it IS affecting our weather in certain geographical parts, either through too much rain, not enough rain, or deadly storms.


Your worries on behalf of the kids should be the fact that they will face an ever expanding government of materialist bureaucrats (cultural Marxists) who will use unverifiable but scary sounding propaganda like “climate change” to forcibly take more and more God-given rights from them.

[Wolverine]

Your worries on behalf of the kids should be the fact that they will face an ever expanding government of materialist bureaucrats (cultural Marxists) who will use unverifiable but scary sounding propaganda like “climate change” to forcibly take more and more God-given rights from them.


:swear: :swear: :swear:
.......now I'm worried about the kids !!!!

[Sinned]

Your worries on behalf of the kids should be the fact that they will face an ever expanding government of materialist bureaucrats (cultural Marxists) who will use unverifiable but scary sounding propaganda like “climate change” to forcibly take more and more God-given rights from them.
I'm glad you're not on my team.

[geowhiz]

My great-great grandfather left Texas to homestead a farm in Oklahoma when they first opened it to white settlers . The only constant with Oklahoma weather is that there is none and never has been. My family survived the the dust bowl years there and up until that era started, nobody had ever witnessed such a weather phenomenon . There were always freak floods, drought, heat, ice, snow, more heat, more drought, more flooding and YES, even TORNADOS at all times of year, not just spring season when they are generally more predominant. So contrary to popular belief tornados aren't a Bush/Cheney exclusive like for instance hurricanes which reminds me, where were all those horrific hurricanes this past season ??? I can't wait until a democrat gets elected and puts a stop to all the storms, or at least passes a law that storms can only wipe out rich white people and big greedy corporate interests, then they won't have to worry about their communities being invaded by gangbangers !!!

:rock: :smoke: Im praying those democrats can stop all the wind in Wyoming too.


Nice post dude! :yes:

[geowhiz]

I think you’re missing the point: the state of the weather is no different from any time in history.

The only change is in the language we use. What used to be called rainstorms, snowstorms, tornadoes or hurricanes are now called “extreme weather,” and this imaginary fairy tale of a problem is fraudulently linked to energy usage.

Scare tactics. Won’t work on me.


Then we should be able to have "selective insurance rates" based on where you decide to live. State Farm doesnt like me because I get traffic tickets all the time, driving from work to home down the interstate, and I dont really like paying exorbitant and ever-increasing homeowners insurance rates because SF got jacked by all the Katrina settlements.

[Wolverine]

Im praying those democrats can stop all the wind in Wyoming too.


Nice post dude! :yes:

Maybe they can make it snow more than once a year, eh ? !
:smoke:

[Wolverine]

Then we should be able to have "selective insurance rates" based on where you decide to live. State Farm doesnt like me because I get traffic tickets all the time, driving from work to home down the interstate, and I dont really like paying exorbitant and ever-increasing homeowners insurance rates because SF got jacked by all the Katrina settlements.

Insurance is the single largest scam on the planet. When I was a child growing up in Texas , if you shot and killed someone the best irrefutable defense was: "the guy offered to sell me insurance" !!!
:smoke:

[lndmn_01]

Cant deny there is a global weather pattern change, whether its man-made of just the grace of God is another argument.

No, that is THE argument. How can you even argue that global warming is man made now that the data is is in that the sun is getting hotter and even Mars is warming?


Just be ready and be careful where you decide to live. I say buying real-estate in tornado alley is a bad investment and a crapshoot. I have a friend who lives in the OK City area and he has never seen weather (ice storms, snow, wind, tornados, etc) as bad as he has the last two years. Colorado is just drying up, catching fire, and collecting beetles, and California.. Is just California. Its not the end of the world, just an adjustment.

First of all the last 2 years have not been bad at all in Oklahoma. Now really sever tornado's like the one in 1999 or really, really bad ice storms like we've had in years past. As for Colorado and California "burning up" I like to blame the environmentalist who seem to think that clearing brush and undergrowth somehow hurt the environment and would prefer to see the whole thing burn along with the houses.

[shellbell]

If you research the earth and the magnetic field, it is actually thinning. This happens every couple of hundred thousand years. This is a natural process and it causes erratic weather patterns. We can't deny that man has ruined the earth, and some may have been brought on by his destructive behavior. A lot of the weather patterns are caused by this process of the magnetic field thinning.

[cowpoke]

geowhz, quite frankly I am surprised by this thread of yours. I certainly would have expected more.

Now if you were concerned for the Agave Cacti or somthing to that nature I would feel your pain..
However, I must implore that you put on your thinking cap and thrust the Delirium Tremens away from your mind set and realize that there are Climate cons as well as Dinar cons out there that will dupe you into believing what ever they will.
:emo:

[CDR CHOP]

The atmosphere is basically composed of 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen. There is less than than 1% of trace gasses which includes CO2. Since CO2 is such a miniscule percentage of our atmosphere how the heck could it possibly affect the earth as a whole.

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html

The atmosphere is much more vast than the oceans. It would be absolutely profound if mankind could even change it a fraction of a percent.

The sun has changed the size of the martian polar caps in recent years. This is the smoking gun that the sun is behind any kind of measured global warming here on earth. The sun has cycles and this particular energy cycle peaked in the 90's. With the waning energy from the sun we will see cooler weather in the future.

[LakewayDaze!]

If you research the earth and the magnetic field, it is actually thinning. This happens every couple of hundred thousand years. This is a natural process and it causes erratic weather patterns. We can't deny that man has ruined the earth, and some may have been brought on by his destructive behavior. A lot of the weather patterns are caused by this process of the magnetic field thinning.

Oh thanks for explaining this to me Shell!

I thought it was just the enormous mass of SGS and the amount of gasses that she produces which were screwing up the ozone layers..... Gee Whiz I learn something new almost yearly. :nerd:

[williambedloe]

This gent has presented some nice information (scientific estimates) on global temps throughout the history of the earth. He sounds as if he has bought in to the global warming buzz, but not as far off as AlGore. The funny thing is that his data shows temps varied greatly WITHOUT the influence of man:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/temperature.html

The point is that global warming AND cooling are a natural part of the earth's cycle. The influence of man on global warming is one of the biggest swindles of our time. We need to be responsible stewards of the planet, but we are being pillaged by con men and eco-terrorists. The most effective lie is a lie that still has a shred of truth in it...

[panhead]

Oh thanks for explaining this to me Shell!

I thought it was just the enormous mass of SGS and the amount of gasses that she produces which were screwing up the ozone layers..... Gee Whiz I learn something new almost yearly. :nerd:

No need to worry Lake.....RON PAUL will save us....eeerrrrr or is it Larry?:dull:

[shellbell]

No need to worry Lake.....RON PAUL will save us....eeerrrrr or is it Larry?:dull:

Maybe you can save us Panhead. You need to do something fast or we will all end up like your free cat. Hurry and do something.

[panhead]

Maybe you can save us Panhead. You need to do something fast or we will all end up like your free cat. Hurry and do something.
OMG Shell......now thats an avtar!.....LMAO

[rodosman]

Anyone hear the sound bite from Bill Clinton saying "We need to slow down the economy in order to put a halt to global warming". What is this guy smoking, I definately want some. Completely out in left field elitist talk.

[removed account per user]

Anyone hear the sound bite from Bill Clinton saying "We need to slow down the economy in order to put a halt to global warming". What is this guy smoking, I definately want some. Completely out in left field elitist talk.

And even if the political right concedes massively and says, "maybe slowing our economy a bit is OK to fight pollution"... it still ignores the fact that our enemies and adversaries are not being held to the same standards.

Their economies will not be hindered, so we would also be giving them a de facto strategic gift.

The fact that the left won't address this argument tells you how far out in la-la land they can be...

[Ridewithme38]

Global warmings Happening! I personnaly can't wait till northern New York is in the 90's all the time!!

Global Warmings like a Dinar R/V Both happening "soon"!

[lndmn_01]

And even if the political right concedes massively and says, "maybe slowing our economy a bit is OK to fight pollution"... it still ignores the fact that our enemies and adversaries are not being held to the same standards.

Their economies will not be hindered, so we would also be giving them a de facto strategic gift.

The fact that the left won't address this argument tells you how far out in la-la land they can be...

I think the plan is actually bigger than that. IMO, the real plan is to make everyone bow down to the new god that is global warming in order to institute a socialist/communist state in America.

First, no more using fossil fuels. This means a lot less travel by everyone. It means less goods moving and less business being conducted. It means less manufacturing and even less farming.

But what about alternative forms of energy?

Development of alternative forms of energy is not economically feasible on a large scale by the private sector. Government then subsidizes the research and development putting them firmly in control of your energy useage. This sounds crazy at first but if you look at biodiesel from corn or hydrogen fuel for cars it is all being payed for or largely subsidized by the government.

Now, back to the reduced activity in the fields of manufacturing and farming. the factories are shut down, the farms are abandoned because they hurt our environment. Guess what, there is one group in the US that benefits from this... The DEMOCRATS!
The democrats LOVE for people to be dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.
If people can no longer afford to feed their families because the government shut the local factory they will have to turn to the government for everything they use to provide for themselves, and the party they will vote for will be the party that gives them the most "stuff".

[cowpoke]

The Sun Also Sets
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.

As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

[removed account per user]

Now, back to the reduced activity in the fields of manufacturing and farming. the factories are shut down, the farms are abandoned because they hurt our environment. Guess what, there is one group in the US that benefits from this... The DEMOCRATS!
The democrats LOVE for people to be dependent on the government for EVERYTHING.
If people can no longer afford to feed their families because the government shut the local factory they will have to turn to the government for everything they use to provide for themselves, and the party they will vote for will be the party that gives them the most "stuff".

That is an accurate conclusion... Sadly, we may have to weather another Jimmy Carter before the country wises up...

[acrtech]

There is no global warming .:rofl:Mars is doing the same thing. Who is driving suvs over there??

[irons]

WE are totally doomed.everybody knows cavemen drove Suburbans
on thier icepack,You know the proof global cooling is a direct affect of global warming.There is no escape here, we are all going to die.