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PraiseKingGeorge
02-08-2008, 11:15 AM
The Sun Also Sets

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Thursday, February 07, 2008
IBD.com

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.

As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss.

Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

RotaryRevn
02-08-2008, 11:48 AM
It seems like here in CA anyways, were having hotter summers and colder winters.

DrHow2
02-08-2008, 11:53 AM
I am inclined to believe these guys more than Al G. Besides its another clear sign that the IQD will revalue soon... And I am sure glad I bet alot of money on the GIANTS. Life is good!

geowhiz
02-08-2008, 12:00 PM
According to many geolgists, we are in a "glacial period" at present. Funny I dont see glaciers around the world getting any bigger, I see them receding. When I was in Alaska the Columbia Glacier was 6 miles out further than it is today. 6 miles in 10 years, expected to recede another 6 miles to its tidewater level in the next 5-10. Yes its colder than ever with more snow in the west than Ive seen in a few years, but its so bone dry that water just goes right into the ground, and summers are HOT! Nobody can deny CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are increasing. Thats empirical science, the gathering of physical data. Cannot be disputed, especially in ice cores. What is causing it? Who cares. It is what it is.

geowhiz
02-08-2008, 12:17 PM
What do you know about the ice shelf thats supposed to break off soon....and cause the ice cube effect??? hey GEO


Creation of Moulins (meltwater lakes on the glaciers) is the most visible effect. Fresh water mixing with seawater causing localized cooling of oceans and changes in oceanic currents (and the weather patterns that follow the ocean currents). This isnt some great Gore conspiracy or some treehugger voodoo science. This is what is happening, today. Wont affect me at all because I stay away from tornado alley or hurricane zones or serious drought affected areas unless Im on vacation.

richsoon
02-08-2008, 12:25 PM
Creation of Moulins (meltwater lakes on the glaciers) is the most visible effect. Fresh water mixing with seawater causing localized cooling of oceans and changes in oceanic currents (and the weather patterns that follow the ocean currents). This isnt some great Gore conspiracy or some treehugger voodoo science. This is what is happening, today. Wont affect me at all because I stay away from tornado alley or hurricane zones or serious drought affected areas unless Im on vacation.

I thought our back-yard was pretty drought affected last summer.:wave:

geowhiz
02-08-2008, 12:34 PM
I thought our back-yard was pretty drought affected last summer.:wave:


Only because I couldnt figure out how to fix the dam sprinkler. :smoke:

williambedloe
02-08-2008, 01:11 PM
Global Cooling?? Oh no!! Is it man made???? Maybe all those carbon credits have finally caught up with us!!! Quick!!! Go buy an SUV or two!! Turn on your AC and go on vacation!!! Let the water run when brushing your teeth!! Use tons of TP!!!!PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON"T LET THE EARTH FREEZE!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Howler
02-08-2008, 01:18 PM
According to many geolgists, we are in a "glacial period" at present. Funny I dont see glaciers around the world getting any bigger, I see them receding. When I was in Alaska the Columbia Glacier was 6 miles out further than it is today. 6 miles in 10 years, expected to recede another 6 miles to its tidewater level in the next 5-10. Yes its colder than ever with more snow in the west than Ive seen in a few years, but its so bone dry that water just goes right into the ground, and summers are HOT! Nobody can deny CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are increasing. Thats empirical science, the gathering of physical data. Cannot be disputed, especially in ice cores. What is causing it? Who cares. It is what it is.

I'm all for taking care of the planet, and doing everything we can to make it better.
(hell I love to fish, hunt and golf!)
IMO all of these weather patterns are cyclicle, and has been forever.

irons
02-08-2008, 01:20 PM
As long as you realize that global cooling is directly caused by global warming you will be OK.:rolleyes: There are people out there (WAY) that will argue this point to your uninformed fuel burning arse until your ears ring.
Then they will get on thier private jet and fly around until they find somebody else who needs convincing.:smoke:

sleeper43
02-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Well, I only have 33 years or so of data (yes, I am 33 years old), but I think from what I have seen, the climate is definitely changing. I am not a weather expert so I have no clue as to why. I have lived in the same area my entire life, and I know that when I was growing up, in the winter months, every day was in the single digit temps up to the low to mid 30s. Never did it get warmer than that.

Last week, Tuesday I think it was, it was 76 degrees in the same area. To me, thats a pretty drastic change from the norm. But maybe I am wrong and it is indeed all part of a much longer cycle that I am not aware of.:thinking:

irons
02-08-2008, 10:05 PM
Well, I only have 33 years or so of data (yes, I am 33 years old), but I think from what I have seen, the climate is definitely changing. I am not a weather expert so I have no clue as to why. I have lived in the same area my entire life, and I know that when I was growing up, in the winter months, every day was in the single digit temps up to the low to mid 30s. Never did it get warmer than that.

Last week, Tuesday I think it was, it was 76 degrees in the same area. To me, thats a pretty drastic change from the norm. But maybe I am wrong and it is indeed all part of a much longer cycle that I am not aware of.:thinking:
Your time on earth amounts to less than a fart from a extinct beetle.Billions yes billions of years ago the western US was a sea.Billions of years later it was a desert.Billions of years after that it was a sea again.Now its the Rocky Mountains.I feel sorry for you idiots who think your existance means anything.Go get your hair frosted and your nails done,now is your time.:smoke:

INRI
02-08-2008, 11:10 PM
Well, I only have 33 years or so of data (yes, I am 33 years old), but I think from what I have seen, the climate is definitely changing. I am not a weather expert so I have no clue as to why. I have lived in the same area my entire life, and I know that when I was growing up, in the winter months, every day was in the single digit temps up to the low to mid 30s. Never did it get warmer than that.

Last week, Tuesday I think it was, it was 76 degrees in the same area. To me, thats a pretty drastic change from the norm. But maybe I am wrong and it is indeed all part of a much longer cycle that I am not aware of.:thinking:

What is normal? Or do you mean usual?

Sometimes it is difficult for people to realize that weather/climate is not stagnant. Change is constant.

Yestarday it was cloudy and rainy with 40 degree temperatures and today it is sunny with clear skies and 67 degrees. Darn you Global Warming! :bigsmile:

removed account per user
02-08-2008, 11:26 PM
Last week, Tuesday I think it was, it was 76 degrees in the same area.

Last week, it rained; therefore.......................raise taxes!