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irons
03-14-2008, 07:11 PM
Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud
Its about time.:smoke:


The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and for all.
John Coleman, who founded the cable network (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html#) in 1982, suggests suing for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and companies that sell carbon credits.
"Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question," Coleman said.
"Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate on the issue," Coleman said. "I'm confident that the advocates of 'no significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html

Paldotcom
03-14-2008, 07:32 PM
Can't wait to see him squirm, like a worm. :happy64: I wonder if he will have to give back the Nobel Peace Prize if he loses. :envy:

geowhiz
03-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Who cares about Al Bore? Anybody that is denying glacial and polar melting, rising sea-levels, ocean temperature increases, desertification in central Europe, the Western US, and Saharan Africa etc.. has not educated himself on the subject.

Paldotcom
03-14-2008, 09:09 PM
Modern geologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology) consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000_%28number%29) years (4.54×109 years).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth#_note-USGS1997) This age has been determined by radiometric age dating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating) of meteorite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite) material[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth#_note-Patterson) and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_moon) samples.

I admit I may know a lot about Global warming , but I would side with 4,5 billion years of warming and cooling until there is some concrete evidence. I personally don't think that man can effect the earth one way or another I could be wrong. :emo:

geowhiz
03-14-2008, 09:23 PM
Modern geologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology) consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000_%28number%29) years (4.54×109 years).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth#_note-USGS1997) This age has been determined by radiometric age dating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating) of meteorite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite) material[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth#_note-Patterson) and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_moon) samples.

I admit I may know a lot about Global warming , but I would side with 4,5 billion years of warming and cooling until there is some concrete evidence. I personally don't think that man can effect the earth one way or another I could be wrong. :emo:


Never said man has anything to do with the current warm-up at all. Like you said global warming/cooling is cyclical (although we are officially within a glacial period). Difference between what is was back when there were mastodons and sabre-toothed tigers roaming the plains, and what it is today, is that there are humans on this planet now that have lawyers backing them up, and the lawsuits, construction costs, and famine issues that will come out of our "global warming" dilemma will be staggering. :cash:

Wolverine
03-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Brrr!
Steve Forbes 03.10.08, 12:00 AM ET

Bill Clinton recently brought up the idea that we might have to slow down the U.S. economy to cut back on greenhouse emissions in order to save the planet from global warming. Less prosperity will be our salvation! Putting aside the former President's preposterous proposition and despite all the concern over rising temperatures, even Bill Clinton's heated rhetoric won't spare us from a more likely threat: abnormally cold weather.

Astonishingly, a growing body of research has found that changes in sunspot activity directly correlate with temperature changes on Earth. Solar cycles usually fluctuate every 11 years. Alas, sunspot activity has been rather quiet recently. If it doesn't pick up in a couple of years we could be in for a long-term cooling the likes of which has not been experienced since the so-called Little Ice Age more than 300 years ago. That period was marked by frigid bouts of weather that devastated crops and led to periodic famines. Back then, for instance, London's Thames River often froze, whereas today that body of water gets ice only when it's spilled overboard by revelers on boating excursions. And guess what? The last big freeze came after the kind of sunspot abnormality that may be unfolding now.

In contrast, a proved correlation between temperature changes and carbon dioxide is almost nonexistent. Turns out that the sun has been quite active in the last half-century or so, hence the slight rise in global temperatures.

Other factors in temperature changes include changes in the Earth's axis, in ocean currents and in the salinity of the Arctic Ocean. Volcanoes can also have a dramatic short-term impact on temperatures. But carbon dioxide? No way.

http://www.forbes.com/columnists/forbes/2008/0310/019.html

:sun: :smoke: :rock: :sun:

BusterBrown
03-15-2008, 09:19 AM
It's been a long cold winter here in Minnesota, not that much snow for the year, but plenty cold. I say bring on the sun spots. Warm things up a bit. :rock:

geowhiz
03-15-2008, 10:07 AM
December 21, 2012. End of the Mayan Calender correlating with maximum sunspot output. You think the weather is weird now just wait as the Earth heats up even more. Has nothing to do with humans so dont even go there, but those Mayans knew their stuff. Dont forget to hug your kids this morning.

irons
03-15-2008, 11:08 AM
Michigan has had the coldest winter in decades. Water expands to freeze, and at MacinawCity t he water in Lake Huron below the surface ice was supercooled. It expanded to break through the surface ice and froze into this incredible wave.

I've seen pictures of this wave phenomena in Antarctica, but in Michigan? Yes, it's been quite a winter!
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COACH JACK
03-15-2008, 11:17 AM
We have been here in SW Colorado but two winters vs. sunny Central California. But, the old timers say this winter has been the most severe they have seen in 25 years for low temperatures and snowfall. Been in Hawaii visiting our grandkids the last two weeks and have been getting some serious ribbing about the suntan. Life is tough!! ;)