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thegujju
04-27-2008, 12:11 PM
Man this is so sick and sad. And what on earth were neighbours and family doing? Someone must have had suspicions that something was up.








A 73-year-old Austrian is under arrest on suspicion of hiding his daughter in a cellar for 24 years and fathering seven children with her, police say.
The existence of the woman, believed missing since 1984 and now 42, emerged apparently after a teenage child fell ill and had to be taken to hospital.
Both the woman and teenage girl are receiving medical treatment and the other children are in care.
A police investigation in Amstetten, Lower Austria Province, is continuing.
The suspect, named only as Josef F, was arrested on suspicion of incest and keeping his daughter in captivity.
One of the children the man fathered died in infancy, police believe.
DNA tests will be taken to establish whether Josef F was indeed their father.
Placed in care
The alleged incest and abduction came to light after a search was begun by the authorities for the mother of the sick 19-year-old girl.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44605000/jpg/_44605085_men_afp_226_282.jpg Police are searching the house


A police spokesman said the teenager, named as Kerstin F, was dropped off at the Amstetten hospital last weekend, where she is "fighting for her life".
Her alleged mother, named as Elisabeth F, has been receiving medical and psychological treatment since being discovered, police said.
She appeared "greatly disturbed" psychologically during questioning and agreed to talk only after authorities assured her that she would no longer have to have contact with her father, and that her children would be taken care of, they added.
The six children are three boys and three girls aged between five and 20.
Police spokesman Franz Polzer told reporters they had been taken to a safe location.
"They are all in psychological care in a secure institution in a clinic here in this area," he said.
"They are being cared for individually - those between 12 and 16 years of age who grew up with their grandparents, and two boys who, when they came out yesterday with their mother, saw the daylight for the first time in their lives."
'Dead baby burnt'
The police issued a statement giving details of the alleged abuses Elisabeth recounted to them.
She said she had been sexually abused by her father since the age of 11.

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Josef allegedly lured her into the cellar of their house in Amstetten on 28 August 1984, drugging and handcuffing her before locking her up.
"Abused continuously during the 24-year-long imprisonment", Elisabeth bore six children while a seventh, one of a set of twins, died soon after birth.
The dead baby was allegedly taken out of the cellar and burnt by Josef.
Elisabeth said Joseph had provided her and three of her children, who were locked up along with her, with clothing and food.
His wife Rosemarie had allegedly not been aware of what was going on.
The discovery of another Austrian woman, who was held captive in a cellar by an abductor for more than eight years, gripped the country in 2006.
Natascha Kampusch finally escaped from her kidnapper, 44-year-old Wolfgang Priklopil, who killed himself shortly afterwards.
Ms Kampusch was abducted at the age of 10 in 1998 and held in a small, windowless cellar beneath Priklopil's garage in the commuter town of Strasshof, 25km (15 miles) outside Vienna.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7369851.stm

NotAPHD
04-28-2008, 03:34 AM
Sadly, you can't blame the neighbours or wife. I barely know my neighbours and they could be up to anything in concealed chambers, how would I know? To all effects, he had them bunkered away under concrete with a tiny access route only he could use.

All this is pretty easy if you don't neighbour and you have the means in place to get away with it.

BILLYG
04-28-2008, 06:25 AM
The wife Rosemary knew nothing??? My only question is were there female siblings who may have been compromised as Elisabeth F was... Sad and sick indeed...

AAD
04-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Yuk, yuk, yuk this guy is a demon...

dinardude
04-28-2008, 10:07 PM
I hate the human race.

ahill
04-29-2008, 01:40 AM
As a wife, mother and grandmother ... This just makes me SICK!!!! ... sick ... sick.
How could a father do this?

All these sex perverts should be "immediately" castrated .... and Lorena Bobbit given a knife to finish off the last part!!!.

In todays world (seeing as how my children are grown now) .. and 'if' I was having children again .... I would give my children a GPS system .... maybe in their shoes or an earring for a girl or a watch for a boy etc.

We have to keep our most precious children safe.

I can't imagine how the mother of this girl (her daughter) is dealing with this.

From our news station - the father had installed 'mufflers' in the basement ..... so it wouldn't matter how much the girl screamed to get out .... nobody would hear her.

I feel very sorry for the daughter and her children (who never saw the light of day) for years and for his wife - who must just be just in shock.

So sad.

AAD
04-29-2008, 06:34 PM
As a wife, mother and grandmother ... This just makes me SICK!!!! ... sick ... sick.
How could a father do this?

All these sex perverts should be "immediately" castrated .... and Lorena Bobbit given a knife to finish off the last part!!!.

In todays world (seeing as how my children are grown now) .. and 'if' I was having children again .... I would give my children a GPS system .... maybe in their shoes or an earring for a girl or a watch for a boy etc.

We have to keep our most precious children safe.

I can't imagine how the mother of this girl (her daughter) is dealing with this.

From our news station - the father had installed 'mufflers' in the basement ..... so it wouldn't matter how much the girl screamed to get out .... nobody would hear her.

I feel very sorry for the daughter and her children (who never saw the light of day) for years and for his wife - who must just be just in shock.

So sad.

Care to explain how that would be done to female petafiles also, (preferential treatment perhaps, it's okay when they do it right) didn't think so. Let's not get too carried away with human mutilation...

coffeedave
04-29-2008, 07:03 PM
All I Can Say God Will Have No Mercy On Him

God Says It Is Better To Tie A Millstone (ways Several Tons) Around There Head And Cast Them In The Deepest Sea Then The Wrath God Has For Them.

Would Not Want To Be Him On Judgement Day

ahill
04-30-2008, 01:12 AM
Hi AAD,

There are 'far more' male sex perverts than female ones!!!

Explain to me how a female can MAKE a man have sex with her?
Unless at gun point .... I guess.

BTW - I'm not happy with all these 'females' (teachers - of late) that lure 15 yr old boys into sex.

Disgusting!!!

Feel sorry for the young boys.

My question is .... where was this guys wife? I have a basement in my home too - and I know every room down there and where everything is.
A wife/mother knows all about their home.
Didn't the wife ever go down to the basement?

Seems strange.

Also, I've been wondering 'who' helped this young girl have all her babies?
Giving childbirth is not easy esp the first child when you're young.

I think we will hear more about this in the news and who else was involved.

Your children are your most precious possession and I am a grandmother that just wants to yell out ..... mothers "protect your children"

ahill



Care to explain how that would be done to female petafiles also, (preferential treatment perhaps, it's okay when they do it right) didn't think so. Let's not get too carried away with human mutilation...

baz
04-30-2008, 02:53 AM
Lets not forget that from 1939-1945, residents of tiny villages and small towns didnt know that the strange looking buildings on the outskirts of their villages and towns, with strange smells, smoking chimneys and daily arrivals of train loads of sad looking people passing through, were concentration and death camps....untill they were forced to go and look.

Just think what seven young babys and small kids needed from the local shops and being bought by a man, without the personal hygiene stuff ladies need at these times.

Its trully mind boggling what folk dont see.....when they dont want to!!!

AAD
04-30-2008, 05:59 PM
Hi AAD,

There are 'far more' male sex perverts than female ones!!!

Explain to me how a female can MAKE a man have sex with her?
Unless at gun point .... I guess.

BTW - I'm not happy with all these 'females' (teachers - of late) that lure 15 yr old boys into sex.

Disgusting!!!

Feel sorry for the young boys.

My question is .... where was this guys wife? I have a basement in my home too - and I know every room down there and where everything is.
A wife/mother knows all about their home.
Didn't the wife ever go down to the basement?

Seems strange.

Also, I've been wondering 'who' helped this young girl have all her babies?
Giving childbirth is not easy esp the first child when you're young.

I think we will hear more about this in the news and who else was involved.

Your children are your most precious possession and I am a grandmother that just wants to yell out ..... mothers "protect your children"

ahill

LOL! Were talking about adults and minors not adults abusing adults, your notion of "at gun point" is way off. My point is equal punishment regardless of gender, I'm not for preferential treatment. So if cutting off male body parts would be your form of punishment then I'm sure you would be for cutting off a female's clitoris and small g-spot area too. But obviously just because a person no longer has their sexual spot(s) it doesn't guarantee that they won't use other body parts to still sexually abuse minors. So should we cut off all of a person limbs just to make sure they can't touch any minors, I think not. So really I don't see how cutting off body parts is a solution since the problem is really more of a sexual mental problem for these sick males/females that get off taking sexual advantage of minors.

I'm not trying to argue with you Ahill I'm just expressing how I don't think what you posted in your first post would work. Anyways, if any adult takes advantage of a minor sexually they should get punished for it to the fullest as the law states and regardless of their gender...:wave: