What's Halliburton really up to?

[TwoTone]

Interesting read on the administrations faithfull "go-to" Corporation.


http://alternet.org/waroniraq/19620/


TT

[Wolverine]

Interesting read on the administrations faithfull "go-to" Corporation.


http://alternet.org/waroniraq/19620/


TT
what a michaelmooresque bunch of B.S. !!!
when you say "administrations faithfull go-to Corporation" I assume you're referring to every administration for the last fifty or so years that Halliburton has been doing these sorts of contracts for the U.S. govt. The Lib's know that anything tying Halliburton to the Bush administration is totally baseless, that's why they always say "Halliburton-Cheney/Bush" and stop there because there is nothing more to say , they can only insenuate some grand conspiracy that simply does not exist!!! :wave:

[CAP]

True Wolverine, it isn't like they can chant "Dole-Ginghrich" anymore....

Such an old, old play book. TT, tell us WHY you will vote for Kerry. Instead of WHY you are voting against Bush.

It may give you and your "candidate" a little more credibility in the arena of ideas........

[Jen39503]

At the time, U.S. soldiers were required to live in tents at a cost of $1.39 a day. When the military asked Halliburton employees to move into the tents, they refused.

Hmmm, guess my DH got the shaft..he shared a tent for a LONG time with a bunch of other guys and sand fleas.
I guess it always has to be someones fault

[Jamel]

About the tent thing. Now we (halliburton/KBR) are living in tents while the soldiers are living in housing. It is in the contract that the military has to live better than civilians. Now I share my tent with a bunch of other guys and sand fleas!

Halliburton is overall a better company (in performance) than the other contractors out there. That is why they get most of the contracts.

[TwoTone]

So we agree that Halliburton is the administrations " Go-to Corporation" ..?

[TwoTone]

Lets get a taste at how far in our administration is in all of this......

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1211-05.htm



Published on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 in the Boston Herald
Bush Advisers Cashed in on Saudi Gravy Train
by Jonathan Wells, Jack Meyers and Maggie Mulvihill

Second of two parts.

Many of the same American corporate executives who have reaped millions of dollars from arms and oil deals with the Saudi monarchy have served or currently serve at the highest levels of U.S. government, public records show.

Those lucrative financial relationships call into question the ability of America's political elite to make tough foreign policy decisions about the kingdom that produced Osama bin Laden and is perhaps the biggest incubator for anti-Western Islamic terrorists.

Also See:

Part 1:
U.S. Ties to Saudi Elite May Be Hurting War on Terrorism
Boston Herald 12/10/01
Nowhere is the revolving U.S.-Saudi money wheel more evident than within President Bush's own coterie of foreign policy advisers, starting with the president's father, George H.W. Bush.

At the same time that the elder Bush counsels his son on the ongoing war on terrorism, the former president remains a senior adviser to the Washington D.C.-based Carlyle Group. That influential investment bank has deep connections to the Saudi royal family as well as financial interests in U.S. defense firms hired by the kingdom to equip and train the Saudi military.

Last year, former President Bush visited Saudi Arabia's King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, but a Carlyle spokesman said the two did not discuss Carlyle business as previously reported. The elder Bush is reportedly paid between $80,000 and $100,000 for each Carlyle speech he makes. The company declined comment on the former president's pay.

The Carlyle Group has also served as a paid adviser to the Saudi monarchy on the so-called ``Economic Offset Program,'' an arrangement that effectively requires U.S. arms manufacturers selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to give back a portion of their revenues in the form of contracts to Saudi businesses, most of whom are connected to the royal family. A company spokesman said yesterday that arrangement was ended ``a few months ago,'' but said he did not know whether it was terminated before or after the Sept. 11 attacks.

A spokesman for former President Bush, reached yesterday, had no immediate comment on his work for the Carlyle Group.

These intricate personal and financial links have led to virtual silence in the administration on Saudi Arabia's failings in dealing with terrorists like bin Laden, said Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group.

``It's good old fashioned `I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine.' You have former U.S. officials, former presidents, aides to the current president, a long line of people who are tight with the Saudis, people who are the pillars of American society and officialdom,'' said Lewis.

``So for that and other reasons no one wants to alienate the Saudis, and we are willing to basically ignore inconvenient truths that might otherwise cause our blood to boil. We basically look away,'' he said. ``Folks don't like to stop the gravy train.''

Some foreign policy observers said as long as American power brokers in lucrative business deals with the Saudis do not simultaneously craft U.S. foreign policy, there is no conflict of interest.

``To have Bush Sr. on the board of Carlyle is not necessarily a significant problem because Carlyle has interests all over the world,'' said Vincent Cannistraro, a former counter-intelligence chief for the Central Intelligence Agency.

Companies regularly entice powerful political figures to work for them, he said.

``It's kind of business as usual. Where it really affects things is when someone with a financial interest in a company also has a policy position in the administration,'' Cannistraro said.

Insiders trading

A significant portion of the millions of dollars U.S. companies and their politically influential executives have earned in deals with the Saudis has been through military contracts.

The Carlyle Group had a major stake in the large defense contractor B.D.M., which has multimillion-dollar contracts through its subsidiaries to train and manage the Saudi National Guard and the Saudi air force, U.S. Department of Defense records show. In 1998, Carlyle sold its controlling interest in B.D.M. to defense giant TRW International.

Meanwhile, the boards of directors of the Carlyle Group, B.D.M. and TRW are all stocked with high-level Republican policy makers.

Frank C. Carlucci, a former secretary of defense under President Reagan, was chairman of B.D.M. for most of the 1990s. Carlucci, who also served as Reagan's national security adviser and a deputy director of the CIA, now heads the Carlyle Group.

Along with former President Bush, other officials from past Republican administrations now at the Carlyle Group include: former Secretary of State James A. Baker III; ex-budget chief Richard Darman; and former Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt.

President Bush is himself linked to the Carlyle group: He was a director of one of its subsidiaries, an airline food services company called Caterair, until 1994. Six years later, when Bush was governor of Texas, the board of directors of the Texas teachers' pension fund - some of whom were his appointees - voted to invest $100 million with the Carlyle Group.

The president of B.D.M. is Philip A. Odeen, a former high-level Pentagon official in the Nixon administration. During the Clinton administration, Odeen chaired the Pentagon task force that planned the restructuring of the U.S. military for the 21st century. Currently, he is the vice-chair of the Defense Science Board, which advises the Pentagon on emerging threats.

TRW, the new owner of B.D.M., has its own noteworthy board members, including former CIA director Robert M. Gates and Michael H. Armacost, who served as undersecretary of state under President Reagan and as ambassador to Japan for former President Bush.

Big Saudi money also makes its way back to Texas and the Bush family. The family of Saudi Arabia's longtime U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, gave $1 million to the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.

The revolving door

Another example of the complex web connecting U.S. and Saudi powerbrokers is Dick Cheney, who moved from the Pentagon to the international oil business and back as vice president last year.

After serving as the elder Bush's secretary of defense, Cheney was hired to run oil-services giant Halliburton Co., where he worked until he resigned last year to campaign with the younger Bush. In 2000, his last year with Halliburton, Cheney received $34 million when he cashed out from the company.

Not surprisingly, Halliburton's links to Cheney and other Washington power brokers appear to have helped the company's business prospects in the Middle East.

Just last month, Halliburton was awarded a $140 million contract to develop an oil field in Saudi Arabia by the kingdom's state-owned petroleum firm, Saudi Aramco, and a Halliburton subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root, along with two Japanese firms, was hired by the Saudis to build a $40 million ethylene plant.

Cheney isn't the only member of President Bush's inner circle whose work for firms connected to the Saudis has paid big dividends.

The current national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, is a former longtime member of the board of directors of another giant oil conglomerate with business in the Saudi desert, Chevron, which merged with Texaco this year. Rice even has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

Substantial profits received by U.S. leaders in private sector deals with the Saudis have helped to squelch criticism of the royal family's refusal to address the role its country has played in fueling Islamic terrorism, Lewis said.

``There's a disconnect there,'' Lewis said. ``I'm fascinated that we don't lay this at Saudi Arabia's doorstep. But the chances to cash in and the amount you can cash in for are starting to become absolutely astronomical. Who wants to look like the Boy Scout complaining about it and potentially jeopardize their own post-employment prospects?




TT



( Who they are/were in bed with....http://isuisse.ifrance.com/stopcarlyle/carlylebushbenladen.htm ...)

[minigirl]

Coincidentally......Kerry's buddy and major 527 investor, George Soros, is invested in The Carlyle Group to the tune of nearly $100 MILLION dollars -- more than the Bushs and bin Ladens combined.

[TwoTone]

527 investor... meaning.... he is not part of the kerry campaign.... nor will he hold an office when Kerry wins..


TT

[Jeffrey]

Two Tone......yea, its me again. First thing I want to say is THANK YOU for changing your avator! Not that I think that you did it for me.....but thanks anyway!

Second thing that I want to say is.......when you get out of the military, I think that you need to go to law school!!!!!!! If you do.....I will HIRE you, or at least put you on retainer as soon as you graduate!!!!!!! Cause you LOVE TO ARGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao:

[BRYAN]

Thanks for changing the avater , and don't you think that Soros and the Caryle Group will benifit in some way if Kerry wins ??? That article is from 2001

[TwoTone]

Soros is not a policy maker and he will not be a policy maker if Kerry were to win. I would hope that The carlyle group would not be used exclusively by the government any more if kerry were to win. Kerry does not have any personal interest in the carlyle group nor is one of its senior advisors a relative / personal edvisor to him like G Dub and Poppy. Poppy obviously has some personal interest in the continuing success of the carlyle cartel and by default so does his son. Not good politics.


TT


For the record, my changing of my avatar was not by choice =)

[Wolverine]

So we agree that Halliburton is the administrations " Go-to Corporation" ..?
Please provide YOUR definition of "administration". It sounds as if you are still suggesting a link to the presidency,in which case we are NOT in agreement.

when you say "administrations faithfull go-to Corporation" I assume you're referring to every administration for the last fifty or so years that Halliburton has been doing these sorts of contracts for the U.S. govt. The Lib's know that anything tying Halliburton to the Bush administration is totally baseless, that's why they always say "Halliburton-Cheney/Bush" and stop there because there is nothing more to say , they can only insenuate some grand conspiracy that simply does not exist!!!

Arm yourself w/ facts, liberal propaganda won't cut it. :happy26:

[TwoTone]

Ok, Briefly.... by Administration lets say that I am solely implying The current president, the vice president and condi rice.... All of which have either sat on a board of advisors for the carlyle group, or been a high ranking official of a major potro / chemical company ( Chevron ) or all of the above. All of these people will benefit from the continuing success of carlyle / haliburton / petro-chemical contractors. Through their prior work with them and their obvious returns to said industries/corporations ( cant forget stocks that are still owned) after their political careers are over these people have an undeniable benefit out of all of this.

TT

[Wolverine]

For the record, Halliburton and/or it's subsidiaries have been working in Saudi Arabia and performing contracts for Saudi ARAMCO since the Saudis first began development of their oil fields in the 1930's! Where was Dick Cheney then Mr. two tone ??? By the way, How much of Arkansas' total viable groundwater was polluted by chicken giants while Bill Clinton was governor ? How many new Wal Mart stores were built during his presidency ? :happy26:

[BRYAN]

Wolverine right on !!! go man go !!!

[TwoTone]

Cheney wasnt in the picture in the 30's and i believe the company that had the lucrative deals in saudi originally was a british firm. but later it was given to an oil conglomerate by the name of Zapata. Zapata, in the 60's George H.W Bush was very much a part of with deals in mexico and once again in saudi....

Im not saying that clinton was a saint and that he did not do a dis-service to america, but I am saying that we can not allow Bush to be in office any more... he is going to ride america untill the wheel's fall off......

There is no denying that oil companies have made a killing in saudi arabia and around the world. That being said... it is wrong for our policy makers to have a direct interest in the oil firms because thats how we start making policies to better suit their financial wants rather than the betterment of our country or society as a whole.


TT

[TwoTone]

....This is when the bushes entered the picture in the oil / government connection....

Negotiations began between Bush and the Liedtkes to try to find a more harmonious balance. A series of stock swaps orchestrated by Bush resulted in divided control over Zapata Offshore and Zapata Petroleum. Bush and Uncle Walker won control over the offshore business and the Liedtkes gained control of the original Zapata Petroleum......


nice report on it can be found at....http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/081400a2.html



TT

[TwoTone]

Lets go a little further back....


http://www.tenntimes.org/SECTIONS/Big-Oil/bigoil-02.html


....

Before going into more detail about Caterair, step back for a moment and take a look at the larger picture, and you begin to see the spider web taking shape.

Following is a brief timeline, in the format used in the Gemstone Files, which lays out the history of the Bush dynasty. Pay special attention to names like Zapata Petroleum, Arbusto Energy, Harken Energy, Apex Energy, Spectrum 7, Bush Exploration Oil Co., BCCI, JNB Exploration.

These are all names that will pop up again and again in the spider web of intrique and deception which led to September 11, 2001. Note also the various links to the CIA and to organized crime figures.

Copyright 2000 The Progressive Review Also,'Sam Smith's Great American Political Repair Manual', published by WW Norton.

1918 Prescott Bush Sr., leads a raid on a Indian tomb to secure Geronimo's skull for Skull & Bones.

1937 Prescott Bush's investment firm sets up deal for the Luftwaffe so it can obtain tetraethyl lead.

1942 Three firms with which Prescott Bush is associated are seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

1953 George Bush and the Liedtke brothers form Zapata Petroleum. Zapata's subsidiary, Zapata Offshore, later becomes known for its close ties to the CIA.

1954 The Bush family buys out the Liedtke brothers.

1955 George Bush sets up a Mexican drilling operation, Permago, with a frontman to obscure his ownership. The frontman later is convicted of defrauding the Mexican government of $58 million.

1959 Manuel Noriega recruited as an agent by the US Defense Intelligence Agency.

1960 Some investigators believe George Bush spent part of this year and the next in Miami on behalf of the CIA, organizing rightwing exiles for an invasion of Cuba. Is said to have worked with later Iran-Contra figure Felix Rodriguez.

1961 According to the Realist, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivers three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prouty claims he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships the Barbara, Houston and Zapata.
Bay of Pigs invasion fails. Right-wingers blame Kennedy for failure to provide air cover. CIA loses 15 men, another 1100 are imprisoned.
George Bush invites Rep. TL. Ashley -- a fellow Skull & Boner -- down to Texas for a party in order to meet "an attractive girl." Bush writes that "she may be accompanied by an Austrian ski instructor but I think we can probably flush him at the local dance hall." Bush notes that he's had to unlist his phone because "Jane Morgan keeps calling me all the time." [From a letter in the Ashley archives uncovered by Spy magazine.]
Zapata annual report boasts that the company has paid no taxes since it was founded.

1963 John F. Kennedy is assassinated. Internal FBI memo reports that on November 22 "reputable businessman" George H. W. Bush reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican "has been talking of killing the president when he comes to Houston." The Young Republican was nowhere near Dallas on that date.
According to a 1988 story in The Nation, a memo from J. Edgar Hoover states that "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. George says it ain't him, admits he was in Texas but can't remember where.

1964 George Bush runs as a Goldwater Republican for Congress. Campaigns against the Civil Rights Act.

1966 Bush, runs as a moderate Republican, gets elected to Congress. Robert Mosbacher chairs Oil Men for Bush.
Apache leader Ned Anderson meets with the Skull & Bones lawyer and George Bush's brother Jonathan who attempt to return the skull Prescott Bush had looted in 1933. Anderson refuses the skull because he says it isn't Geronimo's.

1968 George W. Bush joins Skull & Bones at Yale .....





This is why i say we dont need this family in office....



TT

[minigirl]

You all with think I'm naive, but this matters about as much to me as whether or not there is shrapnel in Kerry's .

I pick my candidate on such a basic level - it's a personal moral decision by me really - a matter of trust.

[TwoTone]

A brief google search on " bush, oil, gevernment" will give you a nice glimps at the history of the family.... I know I more than likely will not change any ones views. My hopes are that people will learn more about what they are voting for and its history.



TT

[CAP]

Im not saying that clinton was a saint and that he did not do a dis-service to america, but I am saying that we can not allow Bush to be in office any more... he is going to ride america untill the wheel's fall off......

Man TT, you guys simply refuse to update your retoric. You lefty bretheren said the same thing, only worse, about Ronald Reagan. He is a mad man! War monger! Idiot! The man who ended the cold war and threw the Soviet Uniion on the scrap heap of history! Oh, excuse me, that was history speaking, not tree hugging socialists. :happy26:

[CAP]

A brief google search on " bush, oil, gevernment" will give you a nice glimps at the history of the family.... I know I more than likely will not change any ones views. My hopes are that people will learn more about what they are voting for and its history.


TT

Try a similar search for "kennedy, organized crime, dead broad in car"....... :confused:

[MJI Capital]

Try a similar search for "kennedy, organized crime, dead broad in car"....... :confused:

Better yet, Google "John Kerry and Communism"