Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

[tmorr37]

Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

Original Article (http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warmin g+Debate/article12403.htm)



Michael Asher (http://www.dailytech.com/ContactStaff.aspx?id=44) (Blog) (http://www.dailytech.com/blogs/%7Emasher) - July 16, 2008 9:35 PM


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The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
In a posting (http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/editor.cfm) to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper (http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm) by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"
In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."
Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."

[geowhiz]

Good news, one cold year out of 10 and we've reversed ourselves. Sun, moon, CO2, whatever.. it doesnt matter; the ice sheets of Greenland and the poles are melting in record time. Stop with the rhetoric and science-babble, look at the visual proof.

I'm certainly not buying any beachfront post RV, might rent some for a short-term lease though.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate

Original Article (http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warmin g+Debate/article12403.htm)



Michael Asher (http://www.dailytech.com/ContactStaff.aspx?id=44) (Blog) (http://www.dailytech.com/blogs/%7Emasher) - July 16, 2008 9:35 PM


http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/8710_monckton.jpg






The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
In a posting (http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/editor.cfm) to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper (http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm) by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"
In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."
Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."

I certainly hope you get angry with me when I tell you that this is of no surprise.

And we conservatives are called "evil".

This has been an AlGore "conspiracy" of sorts that his worshipers have been hiding from.

[tmorr37]

Good news, one cold year out of 10 and we've reversed ourselves. Sun, moon, CO2, whatever.. it doesnt matter; the ice sheets of Greenland and the poles are melting in record time. Stop with the rhetoric and science-babble, look at the visual proof.

I'm certainly not buying any beachfront post RV, might rent some for a short-term lease though.

Sorry Geo but everything you just posted is not true. Things like ice sheets are melting while others have expanded. Sorry but you Idols have Lied to you.

[geowhiz]

Sorry Geo but everything you just posted is not true. Things like ice sheets are melting while others have expanded. Sorry but you Idols have Lied to you.

No matter. I live in Colorado which has perfect weather year round and is relatively unaffected by changing weather/ocean patterns besides great powder at the ski areas, especially in the southwest CO areas. Ill let Floridians, Californians, mid-westerners and east-coasters do the worrying. Regardless, this article is a great toilet read. Check it out.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21491098/greenland_melting_the_end_of_the_end_of_the_world

[tmorr37]

No matter. I live in Colorado which has perfect weather year round and is relatively unaffected by changing weather/ocean patterns besides great powder at the ski areas, especially in the southwest CO areas. Ill let Floridians, Californians, mid-westerners and east-coasters do the worrying. Regardless, this article is a great toilet read. Check it out.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21491098/greenland_melting_the_end_of_the_end_of_the_world

Dude Pass the Joint over here. you can find what you want but it's not the truth, look a little harder.
Man kind has not been alive long enough to know what is normal.
How did the vikings get around? fire up their SUV'S
people like Gore have their Agendas

As arctic ice melts, South Pole ice grows | csmonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0110/p14s01-sten.html)

Jan 10, 2008 ... Scientists are puzzled, but the phenomenon seems to fit the latest global-warming models.
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The Understory » Expanding Ice Sheet in Antarctica (http://understory.ran.org/2005/05/28/expanding-ice-sheet-in-antarctica/)

The central ice cap in Antarctica, the East Antarctic Ice... argument that global warming isn’t occurring due to an expanding ice sheet down south. ...
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Random Jottings: Expanding ice caps... (http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/003023.html)

Sep 15, 2007 ... It's less likely that you've heard that in the meantime, the ice cap at the South Pole has been expanding, and just recently reached its ...
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Polar ice cap studies refute global warming - by James M. Taylor ... (http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=851)

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[Daddy Needs Mils]

Regardless, this article is a great toilet read. Check it out.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21491098/greenland_melting_the_end_of_the_end_of_the_world

Doesn't read for crap (pun intended) on the blackberry, and screen is too far from the toilet.:drunk: (teasing obviously).

Weather patterns have always been cyclical as long records have been kept. Remember, in 1972, some of these people told us we would be frozen by 2000 or so?

Conserving is wise. Alarming is not. Going at an alarming rate based on scientific "consensus" is foolish.

Let's face it GW, you think we conservatives are panicking about Obama's financial ruin prospects.

We're merely cautious of someone so profoundly unqualified to be president, as you are just as profoundly cautious about the preservation of the environment.

And I (as well as most true conservatives I hope) am concerned about the environment as well. No one I know wants to rape and pillage the very lands we live in.

No one can afford to throw the caution to the wind. But trying to completely revamp our economy overnight to build a green economy based on fear is crazy. :handshake:?

[cowpoke]

Good news, one cold year out of 10 and we've reversed ourselves. Sun, moon, CO2, whatever.. it doesnt matter; the ice sheets of Greenland and the poles are melting in record time. Stop with the rhetoric and science-babble, look at the visual proof.

I'm certainly not buying any beachfront post RV, might rent some for a short-term lease though.

:lmao: GEO, Think about it........Why the name GREENLAND, and now the Ice sheets are melting.. Hmm, Back to where it was in Ohh around 900 to 1000 AD.. I think Eric would have been hung on site if there was not some green there when others landed.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

:lmao: GEO, Think about it........Why the name GREENLAND, and now the Ice sheets are melting.. Hmm, Back to where it was in Ohh around 900 to 1000 AD.. I think Eric would have been hung on site if there was not some green there when others landed.

Man, you are in form tonight!

Talk about common sense.:muscle:

[BABYBULL24]

Sorry Geo but everything you just posted is not true. Things like ice sheets are melting while others have expanded. Sorry but you Idols have Lied to you.

AlGore that you?

[geowhiz]

Hardy har har. It's tough for a geologist who has friends ranging from brainwashed BP-Amoco oil-field trash to tree hugging-glaciologists to have to explain myself to a bunch of right wing media-whores with knowledge of nothing but the blog down the street what is going on with the world. But then again, Im laughing my a- off. Ill just go ahead and let the results speak for themselves even if they take 10 or 20 years to show the signs. I have nothing to say about this subject other than.. stay on high ground and keep the mosquitos off.

[BABYBULL24]

Hardy har har. It's tough for a geologist who has friends ranging from BP-Amoco oil-field trash to tree hugging-doctorates to have to speak to a bunch of right wing media-whores with knowledge of nothing. But then again, Im laughing my a- off. Ill just go ahead and let the results speak for themselves.

Just kidding bro - I have no problem with Palm Trees in Jersey.

Peace

[BILLYG]

:lmao: GEO, Think about it........Why the name GREENLAND, and now the Ice sheets are melting.. Hmm, Back to where it was in Ohh around 900 to 1000 AD.. I think Eric would have been hung on site if there was not some green there when others landed.
And don't foget poke, Iceland was also called that for a reason as well...

[Kim]

Well, I would welcome global warming here in Alaska. I don't see any trend toward warmth. We are freezing our a**es off this summer.

[terry853]

Well, I would welcome global warming here in Alaska. I don't see any trend toward warmth. We are freezing our a**es off this summer.
I am at this moment sitting on a drill rig in north eastern BC and it has been a sunny but unusually cool summer so far following the second kick-a*s cold winter in a row. I don't believe man is responsible for global warming and I don;t believe it is happening but I say Bring it on..on a side note last winter and the winter before have wiped out a huge number of game animals up here. 60% of the moose population gone!!

[cheerfuldave]

I certainly hope you get angry with me when I tell you that this is of no surprise.

And we conservatives are called "evil".

This has been an AlGore "conspiracy" of sorts that his worshipers have been hiding from.


Didn't Al Gore make $100 Million from the Global Warming videos?

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Didn't Al Gore make $100 Million from the Global Warming videos?

That or more.

His new push (yesterday) is another fast pace run proposal. He's builing a new green economy since every laughed at him for saying he invented the internet. This is now the "get even green movement". JMO

[geowhiz]

I am at this moment sitting on a drill rig in north eastern BC and it has been a sunny but unusually cool summer so far following the second kick-a*s cold winter in a row. I don't believe man is responsible for global warming and I don;t believe it is happening but I say Bring it on..on a side note last winter and the winter before have wiped out a huge number of game animals up here. 60% of the moose population gone!!


Man isnt responsible for global warming.. God is, so get your facts straight.

And it sounds more like an H2S leak off one of your wells. We had one in Big Piney, Wyoming about 10 years ago and it wiped out about 600 elk which were wintering around it. Now hit the alarm and get to your station.

:rofl: :wave:

[richsoon]

Man isnt responsible for global warming.. God is, so get your facts straight.

And it sounds more like an H2S leak off one of your wells. We had one in Big Piney, Wyoming about 10 years ago and it wiped out about 600 elk which were wintering around it. Now hit the alarm and get to your station.

:rofl: :wave:

Shouldn't you get to work? Where is that log?:happy64:

[geowhiz]

Shouldn't you get to work? Where is that log?:happy64:

Just dropped one in the toilet. Unfortunately due to global warming they wont let me flush any more waste into the septic system here because of the methane issue.

And BTW you're the one supposedly in a meeting. What are you doing on the Forum bad girl?

[richsoon]

Just dropped one in the toilet. Unfortunately due to global warming they wont let me flush any more waste into the septic system here.

And BTW you're the one supposedly in a meeting. What are you doing on the Forum bad girl?

Am in a meeting. You probably just gave more info than most people on the IIF wanted to hear about your morning.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Man isnt responsible for global warming.. God is, so get your facts straight.

And it sounds more like an H2S leak off one of your wells. We had one in Big Piney, Wyoming about 10 years ago and it wiped out about 600 elk which were wintering around it. Now hit the alarm and get to your station.

:rofl: :wave:

I think his elk illegally migrated to Washington, Idaho, and Montana.

But I'd eat these illegals if I could get a tag!

[GypsyRose]

That or more.

His new push (yesterday) is another fast pace run proposal. He's builing a new green economy since every laughed at him for saying he invented the internet. This is now the "get even green movement". JMO

And did you see when he was interviewed by Katie that she kept referring to him as "Vice President" Gore. Totally wrong address, and she made it apparent she was doing it when she said it.

Again the "MEDIA" is helping to social engineer our thinking.

When we first started way back when in the 60's with the ecology movement it was laughed at. Now it is a multi-million dollar buisiness, especially for those companies and 'cities' which now require us to re-cycle our trash !

Its all dollars and cents - the sad part is the cents are not going into my purse and the dollars are going to someone else.:eek:

[MotoX565]

Good news, one cold year out of 10 and we've reversed ourselves. Sun, moon, CO2, whatever.. it doesnt matter; the ice sheets of Greenland and the poles are melting in record time. Stop with the rhetoric and science-babble, look at the visual proof.

I'm certainly not buying any beachfront post RV, might rent some for a short-term lease though.


The hot ticket on buying beachfront property.....Buy your lots 30 ft up the hillside...:rock:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

And did you see when he was interviewed by Katie that she kept referring to him as "Vice President" Gore. Totally wrong address, and she made it apparent she was doing it when she said it.

Again the "MEDIA" is helping to social engineer our thinking.

When we first started way back when in the 60's with the ecology movement it was laughed at. Now it is a multi-million dollar buisiness, especially for those companies and 'cities' which now require us to re-cycle our trash !

Its all dollars and cents - the sad part is the cents are not going into my purse and the dollars are going to someone else.:eek:

I hope your purse is large, and that you have already started filling it.

It may double as a deadly weapon if someone shows up at your door looking to collect guns. :shhh:

[DINARTIFACT]

We are coming out of an Ice Age....

[geowhiz]

The hot ticket on buying beachfront property.....Buy your lots 30 ft up the hillside...:rock:


That's exactly about the spot where we bought our lot in Litibu, Mexico. Thinking ahead of course using my vast knowledge of global warming. (Ok.. it was actually a hell of a lot cheaper than those beach-front properties but dont tell anybody that).

[MotoX565]

That's exactly about the spot where we bought our lot in Litibu, Mexico. Thinking ahead of course using my vast knowledge of global warming. (Ok.. it was actually a hell of a lot cheaper than those beach-front properties but dont tell anybody that).

Mums the word my friend. :smoke:

[richsoon]

That's exactly about the spot where we bought our lot in Litibu, Mexico. Thinking ahead of course using my vast knowledge of global warming. (Ok.. it was actually a hell of a lot cheaper than those beach-front properties but dont tell anybody that).

Like no one could figure that one out! You are funny.:drink: to that!

[geowhiz]

Geroge Carlin Hits the Nail on the Head for Saving the Planet

The first 3-4 mins can be a knee jerker for the Man Made Global Warming believers

This is not for the feeble.


:rofl: :rofl: Ive heard this about 100 times and it never gets un-funny. RIP Carlin!

[MotoX565]

Like no one could figure that one out! You are funny.:drink: to that!

I hear ya richsoon...
There is a irony and humor by stating the obvious....Cheers to those whom are entertained by simplicity..:beer: