How so few, control so many.

[lasagnabro]

It's pathetic that our political system is really geared to those that hate God, espouse the free distribution of porn on every corner and in every library, endorse abortion, same sex marriage, teach kids they came from a puddle of mud, and teach kids in 2nd grade how to put condoms on cucumbers but not how to read or write. For proof all you have to do is look at the election map from 2000. The lefty socialists in the media like to call states that al goreleone won, 'blue' states. They fail to admit that those very states were dominated by votes for Bush. The mass population centers on each coast and in the midwest are where goreleone got his primary votes. Oddly, these same areas have the highest murder rate per capita, highest abortion rate, highest rates of disease etc...President Bush won over 2000 counties, while goreleone only won 677 counties. Here in Calll-eeee-fooorrrn-yaa, my vote, and the votes of millions of other American citizens, legal Californians, are countered by votes from millions of criminal invaders from the slum south of the border. President Bush only lost Calll-eeee-foooorrrn-yaaa by a million votes. A million illegal votes. States like Colorado recently passed laws to amend their state constitutions to allow their electoral college votes to be distributed based on a percentage of the votes received. This replaces the system that now allows non Americans, and haters of America to have such a profound effect on America's electoral system. Blue counties, the porn belt, vote for Demorats. Red counties, the corn belt, vote for America. God bless America. :shhh: Don't tell ACLU and the other pagan scum, they might sue cause they were offended.

[Blake]

The overwhelmingly consistent absence of intelligence in most of your posts is astounding.

[minigirl]

wow! LOOK AT ALL THE RED!!!! :happy26:

There's more of us out here than they think. :shhh:

(I know.... the 'popular' vote was yadda yadda, yea yea.) lol

[TwoTone]

Why does it have to be about People who are pro choice or gay rights or anything that has to do with relegion?


If your god says those things are bad, then don't do them !! Leave the rest of us alone ! I want some one who is not going to run our country to the ground and is going to give the rest of us the right to live FREELY.


TT

[minigirl]

Why does it have to be about People who are pro choice or gay rights or anything that has to do with relegion?


If your god says those things are bad, then don't do them !! Leave the rest of us alone ! I want some one who is not going to run our country to the ground and is going to give the rest of us the right to live FREELY.


TT


I think what I get from his post is that the majority of this country DOES share conservative views, and the more liberal urban population centers are who are wanting the socially liberal changes. The bulk of this country - us here in the "fly over" states - cling to conservative values and it's reflected by all the red. The bulk of these people don't want an 'anything goes' mentality to pervade this country and warp traditional values (which aren't always governed by someone's religious beliefs).

I always think that if a politician takes his cues mostly from NY or LA, or the mainstream news media, he's totally out of touch, and you can hear it in what he says....and how he says it in his haughty, snobbish tone... I'm not talking of anyone in particular. ;)

[BRYAN]

Why does it have to be about People who are pro choice or gay rights or anything that has to do with relegion?


If your god says those things are bad, then don't do them !! Leave the rest of us alone ! I want some one who is not going to run our country to the ground and is going to give the rest of us the right to live FREELY.


TT
How do you think you arrived on this earth ??? Where are you going when you die . You can deny that there is a GOD and you may not beleive . That is a shame and I feel bad for your emptyness . Faith is a personal thing that Americans Still believe in.
Remember : Are their atheist's in a war or battle situation ??? When someone is firing upon you ?? Or maybe you don't have time to react then It's off to the maker , Than what will you do ... too late ...??? Don;t go thru life with so much doubt and disbelief . You don't see too many people sinningand cursing religion on their death bed now do ya ??? Sur freedom is a gift that you are helping the Iraqi people experience . When you get home the freedom will be waiting for you just like it was when you left .You can live your life any way you want , just remember someone IS WATCHING YOU .

[Blake]

How do you think you arrived on this earth ??? Where are you going when you die . You can deny that there is a GOD and you may not beleive . That is a shame and I feel bad for your emptyness . Faith is a personal thing that Americans Still believe in.
Where did he ever say he did not believe in God? People jump to conclusions about what a post says and fail to take the time to read a thread and post thoroughly to understand the context of the post too often here.

Not everyone believes in the same God or in the same religion or even in organized religion, and neither of those make anyone an atheist. Thus TwoTone was making the simple and valid point that individual religious beliefs should not be pushed upon others who may have a different faith or belief system.

This country is made up of a wide spectrum of religious beliefs and faiths and one particular sect's beliefs should not be forced upon others through any government endorsement or action. Contrary to what any religious zealot tells you, that is what constitutes our Founding Father's concept of separation of church and state, despite their own personal christian beliefs.

[TwoTone]

Yeah, what blake said !!


Seriously though, All i am saying is live your life by the rules and guidlines that your god says you must and let every one else live their lives the way they see fit. As long as it does not invade the wellbeing and privacy of others, what do you care what I do to / with myself? Let me look at porn, let me smoke till my lungs turn black, let me drink till i urinate blood, let me have protected sex.... if i do all that, then i am helping the economy at the very least.
I can see where an abortion might be seen as a legal issue and our society as a whole is still grappling with that one. I personally am pro-choice by the way, not that it matters. I am not gay but i have no issues with people being that way nor do i feel they should not be allowed the right to matrimony to whom ever they want. It doed not do any one any harm. Why is it so important that these people continue to be singled out and oppressed? Leave these people alone.. they are people too and they deserve the right to be happy.


TT

[Psycho for Dinar]

Religion is the biggest excuse of the day. Politicians use it to buy votes. People use it around the world for a reason to kill a neighbor. Fat cats on T.V. preach to us to send them dollars as they fassion their diamond rings.

One things for sure. I'm sure if there is an almighty creator he/she/it is looking down in wonder on how a primary principle of the belief (love thy neighbor) can be so low on the list of "what, or what not to do".

I guess I've just always been amazed on how people can kill, steal, blow up buildings all in the name of God. Flip Wilson had it right; "The devil made me do it!"

[TwoTone]

I'm sure we've all heard the almighty himself say it ( George Carlin )
" GOD IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH!!"


WOW!! i've just had an epiphany.....

CARLIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!


TT

[Psycho for Dinar]

CARLIN 2004 I like it!!! :lmao: This year I bet he could win too!!!

[TwoTone]

Bryan,
i just noticed that you edited a gay statement out of one of your prior posts. Why did you edit it out? Are you being selective as to what you feel strongly against even though god says its bad?


TT

[CAP]

Two Tone, and other lefty friends,

In a way, I admire the intentions of your heart. Yet, in a greater way, I just think you need a reality check. In a previous thread you challenged us to do a Google search on "bush, government, oil", so we can educate ourselves on WHO is receiving our vote. Admirable challenge my friend, but please allow me to pass the mirror.


For forty years, the Democratic party has been preaching civil rights for African Americans. Yet, when votes were cast in the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment a much higher percentage of Republicans voted for the bill than did Democrats. 1st Google search; bigot, yellow dog democrat."

So hear we are 40 years later, liberals still insisting the solutions to our societal problems are to throw money at additional programs. Can you please begin to educate me on the vast progression resulting from the "great society?" Yet people like you, politically speaking, continue to buy into the ridiculous notion that Democrats have cornered the market on compassion and civil rights. What are those successes again? 2nd Google search; democrats, poverty, solutions.

They have been slipping the green weenie into every African American bunghole for 40 years, because they continue to vote for them. Don't you see? They do not WANT solutions to these problems because it would eliminate campaign issues. They just want to bitch, and encourage well meaning people like you to bitch, without providing solutions. The Democrat solution is to keep them in power, and the root problem is always the Republicans. They want you to believe a photo op with a bunch of idiots having a nude sit in blocking a thoroughfare will help the unemployed or homeless. We say reducing government restraints on the evil corporations or small business owner will help the unemployed by providing jobs. Libs believe busing in bleeding hearts for an AIDS protest, blaming a president for the disease, will reduce the epidemic. We say keeping s**t off your d**k will help more. 3rd Google search; accountability, moral relativism, consequence.

What have you ever done to help the down trodden? Put your money and your energy where your mouth is bro! Why the hell should it matter to you if I or any other goober does our part? As long as you are doing all you can your conscience should be clean. Nevertheless dude, being a bitch is not helping. Democrats have 40 years of experience and failed policy to prove it. Do you have any idea what portion of our GDP goes to social programs? DO the research. That is the 4th Google search.

In my opinion, it is you and the likeminded who need to investigate who is receiving your vote, and your assistance. They play you like a fool bro. What has Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton done for the black man, other than pimp them for power and money? Moreover, what has any Republican done for me? Not a damn thing. It is for themselves. The best thing government can do for us both is to get the hell out of our lives.

Your passion is admirable. I believe you will make an excellent conservative some day. Once you decide to remove the Democrat weenie from your bikini. 5th and final Google search: Churchill, quotes, if a man is not liberal when he is young, he has no heart. If he is not conservative when he is old, he has no brain.

Peace Bro. I mean that! :huge:

[kelleyB]

The overwhelmingly consistent absence of intelligence in most of your posts is astounding.
I love it.... that was great Blake. You said everything in a manner that I can agree with. Thanks. I have nothing more to say because of you. ;)

WOW!! i've just had an epiphany.....CARLIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
I am at the voting booth for that one.:happy64:

[kelleyB]

..In my opinion, it is you and the likeminded who need to investigate who is receiving your vote, and your assistance. They play you like a fool bro. What has Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton done for the black man, other than pimp them for power and money? Moreover, what has any Republican done for me? Not a damn thing. It is for themselves. The best thing government can do for us both is to get the hell out of our lives.

Your passion is admirable. I believe you will make an excellent conservative some day. Once you decide to remove the Democrat weenie from your bikini. 5th and final Google search: Churchill, quotes, if a man is not liberal when he is young, he has no heart. If he is not conservative when he is old, he has no brain.

Peace Bro. I mean that! :huge:LOVE IT!!
I am a fence walker as you all know. I don't claim anyside of the fence. I have too many views to do so. I agree or desire many things from both sides of the fence. I am cursed to never be satisified... but


CAP FOR PRESIDENT George Carlin FOR VICE PRESIDENT.... what a world

[Jen39503]

Cap, You Rock!!! I so wish i had the brains to write as well as you!!!

I can just see Carlin sitting down to a state dinner. :D

[BRYAN]

Bryan,
i just noticed that you edited a gay statement out of one of your prior posts. Why did you edit it out? Are you being selective as to what you feel strongly against even though god says its bad?


TT
I don't have the right to judge gay's or any other person Only myself .I was WRONG and sorry if I offended anyone , Being the way you are and what you do to yourself is you choice.
Yes I believe that it is a sin like every other sin that everyone comits everyday Including myself . Yes I do feel strongly about it but this is not the place to discuss such a subject .
Blake I'm not concerned about you or anything you say anymore I don't care about your interpitations about my posts > I just can't believe that you go and look for people's posts to cut up on . . I guess that has something to do with your day job .????

[BRYAN]

[QUOTE=Blake]Where did he ever say he did not believe in God? People jump to conclusions about what a post says and fail to take the time to read a thread and post thoroughly to understand the context of the post too often here.

That wasn't too hard to figure out Blake

[Blake]

Well, obviously you didn't get it. He never said anything that he didn't believe in God. You just can't wrap your mind around his concept/point that I elaborated on.

You became so appalled when reading words like porn, drugs, gays, that you couldn't see that he was using those as extreme examples to get a point across.

[MJI Capital]

Lasagnabro makes sense to me. One might have chosen different terms, something less incendiary, but anyone should be able to get his point.

CAP also makes some brilliant points as well, that some of the lefties amongst us cannot refute.

Here are some good reads.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/opinion/9159888.htm

http://www.project21.org/P21PRRall704.html

http://www.urbancure.org/dev/catdetails.asp?MajorCatID=33

And one of my favorite, inspiring persons...Clarence Thomas. Why is this man not heralded in the mainstream press? I think we all know the answer.

http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.15211/news_detail.asp

[TwoTone]

FOr your information, while i like to think i believe in God, i am very much on the fence. I have gone to church and will continue to do so when I get back only because I want to afford my daughter the opportunity to learn religion up untill she is able to make her own concious decision about it. I guess I can take that time to come to terms with it for myself.

i do know this... If there is a god, he doesnt scare me and wont make me live my life in fear.



TT

[Jeffrey]

So what is this arguement really about???? We have abortion, porn, gay rights, God, religion, African American issues, etc., etc., etc.,.....basically, in a couple of posts, everything that can be argued about has been thrown on the table.

I have been following this post all day and have been wanting to get in on the debate. But (maybe I am just not very intellegent) I can not figure out what the issue is!

They are all very valid subjects, each with its own merit.....so maybe a thread should be started on each subject. I am sure that if we all try, we can solve all of the problems that face our society by the time some valid or interesting Dinar news comes across!

Right wing, left wing, chicken wing, bat wing......lets address each issue! It should get interesting to say the least!

[BRYAN]

FOr your information, while i like to think i believe in God, i am very much on the fence. I have gone to church and will continue to do so when I get back only because I want to afford my daughter the opportunity to learn religion up untill she is able to make her own concious decision about it. I guess I can take that time to come to terms with it for myself.

i do know this... If there is a god, he doesnt scare me and wont make me live my life in fear.



TT
tt: at least we cleared that up I don't want to argue religion , but am glad that your faith is there ... Yea it's hard standing on a fence I did it for many years , but you will find soild ground in time , everyone goes thru doubt about what is right and wrong in this world and where the line is ??? I hope we can converse with sensablity and reason . I apploigize if I offended you about your faith , But some of your comments made me wonder if you believed at all ??? Yes It is not my business ,but I'm glad you set me straight on that subject anyway . :happy26:

[TwoTone]

I'd like to see things eye to eye with you buddy, but I dont believe in making people live a certain way because of what other people feel is right. I think religion should dictate how each individual lives their own lives. And then they can answer to the man when the time comes about all their sins. Even if i choose to live a certain way i dont think that i can expect you to live the same way. Its not right.


TT

[danpeg]

Please keep religion threads out of this forum. Thanks.

[lasagnabro]

I'm guessing few posters actually paid attention to the point of my post. It was how such small areas of the country control so many areas of the country. Those very small areas as stated, have the highest rate per capita of murder, abortion, AIDS, STD's that are now drug resistant, rape, assault, armed robbery. Those very small areas are also dominated by socialist left leaning haters of God, America, Mom, Dad and apple pie, which they demonstrate by constanting using commie front groups like the ACLU to sue anyone or anything for talking about God or anything remotely religious or moral. Those same areas think it's best to teach kids they came from a puddle of mud and not a Creator. Those same areas are against having the 10 commandments posted anywhere in the public view or school room. Besides 'thou shalt have no other gods', which one of those 10 don't the idiots want kids to follow? Don't murder? Don't steal? Don't lie? It's no wonder public re-education camps are what they are. Braindead non critical thinking MTV morons are a perfect example. Those very small areas tend to think the government is the answer to all the problems of Americans. Those very same small areas think that teaching kindergartners about gay sex and condoms on cucumbers is a good thing. Or better yet, in Massachussetts, a trans-sexual was allowed without Parental permission to go into a FIRST GRADE class and tell billy how he could be sally if he had surgery. Those same small areas are dominated by socialists that want to tax anything that moves. Those same small areas tend to be fascistic in that they only think their version of free speech is legit, while others are hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic etc...Notice their speech is filled with hatred and Christophobia towards President Bush among others. Those few won't control the many for much longer. Thank God for that. Oh happy day! :happy26:

[Blake]

I'm guessing few posters actually paid attention to the point of my post. It was how such small areas of the country control so many areas of the country. Those very small areas as stated, have the highest rate per capita of murder, abortion, AIDS, STD's that are now drug resistant, rape, assault, armed robbery. Those very small areas are also dominated by socialist left leaning haters of God, America, Mom, Dad and apple pie, which they demonstrate by constanting using commie front groups like the ACLU to sue anyone or anything for talking about God or anything remotely religious or moral. Those same areas think it's best to teach kids they came from a puddle of mud and not a Creator. Those same areas are against having the 10 commandments posted anywhere in the public view or school room. Besides 'thou shalt have no other gods', which one of those 10 don't the idiots want kids to follow? Don't murder? Don't steal? Don't lie? It's no wonder public re-education camps are what they are. Braindead non critical thinking MTV morons are a perfect example. Those very small areas tend to think the government is the answer to all the problems of Americans. Those very same small areas think that teaching kindergartners about gay sex and condoms on cucumbers is a good thing. Or better yet, in Massachussetts, a trans-sexual was allowed without Parental permission to go into a FIRST GRADE class and tell billy how he could be sally if he had surgery. Those same small areas are dominated by socialists that want to tax anything that moves. Those same small areas tend to be fascistic in that they only think their version of free speech is legit, while others are hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic etc...Notice their speech is filled with hatred and Christophobia towards President Bush among others. Those few won't control the many for much longer. Thank God for that. Oh happy day! :happy26:I take solace knowing that most of your existence on this planet will undoubtedly be spent saying phrases like "would you like fries with that" or "would you like regular or super unleaded, sir".

And one thing I've always wondered that I have a strange feeling you may be able to help me with, is it difficult to spout off all the insults through the white hood, or are you able to adapt to it?

[Jeffrey]

I realize that I am taking "snipits" of your post here, but I did read the entire post and it is these few lines that I would like to comment on...

Those very same small areas think that teaching kindergartners about gay sex and condoms on cucumbers is a good thing.

Just because you may not agree with something does not make it irrelevant. Kindergartin kids are well aware of "gays", they can see it in everyday life and its plastered all over the TV. It may well be the case that some of these kids are envolved with this subject in their personal lives and need a deeper understanding. Maybe Little Johnny has 2 moms, 2 dads, or some other family member who is gay. Would it be so terrible for him to learn that he is not the only kid that deals with the issue? George Bush seems to be particularly fond of the subject. So much so that he wants to pass his constitutional ammendment to ban same sex marriage. In my opinion (yea I know everybody has one)....the constitution is not the place to hash out the sex life or personal relationships of Americans. Seems to me that the President has bigger issues on his plate right now, but hey, I am just a layman.

On the "condoms and cuccumber" comment...It is my opinion that people who do not think that younger kids are sexually active are idiots! Sorry folks, but its true. Kids a "shagging" WAY earlier now days. I am not saying that they should.....I am saying that they DO! I have always been open with my kid about sexual matters, but some parents aren't for whatever reason. So I dont care HOW they learn to put on a condom.....AS LONG AS THEY PUT IT ON!!!!!!!!! Teenage preganancy is and always has been an issue. But today the biggest concern that I have is STD's. It can KILL them! And telling them to just "abstain" ain't gonna do the job. I wish it would, but it doesnt! Have you ever seen someone with AIDS? Herpes? Syphylis? Warts?????.....when a kid (or an adult for that matter) is caught up in the mix of "doing it"....we all know that they are NOT thinking from their "center of logic" the thought process is from an entirely different area of the body. Having said that, all I can hope for is (when opportunity presents itself for our kids to have sex, and it WILL) that my kid and yours was paying attention that day at school when the "putting on a condom" lesson was given.




Or better yet, in Massachussetts, a trans-sexual was allowed without Parental permission to go into a FIRST GRADE class and tell billy how he could be sally if he had surgery.

I have no "real" information on this one. I would like to see the article if you could provide it. I find it a little hard to believe that this would have taken place in the context that you have presented it. So I am going to withhold comment on it for now.



Those same small areas are dominated by socialists that want to tax anything that moves. Those same small areas tend to be fascistic in that they only think their version of free speech is legit, while others are hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic etc...Notice their speech is filled with hatred and Christophobia towards President Bush among others. Those few won't control the many for much longer.
All I can say here is that Free Speech is Free Speech. We are either to have it or not. It can't have limits put on it. One side should be able to speak and the other should have the right to debate the comments. As far as "Christophobia" goes......all I can say is that I have never seen that word before....but I will be adding it to my vocabulary. :rolleye03

[Collegeinvester1000]

Why do people complain about Bush not winning the popular vote in 2000?

Bill Clinton didn't win the popular vote in 96 or 92 (96 was a close one)

No one should complain about either.

States rights baby.

[Collegeinvester1000]

I didn't see in that link where it said anything about the popular vs E.C. votes in 92 or 96, maybe I missed it, care to point it out? Care to elaborate on Plurality? Regardless, I still like the EC way of doing things.

[MJI Capital]

We live in a representative republic. Thank God for that. It gives states and the state's populous equal representation in government. This keeps states and its citizen dwellars (NY and California) from dominating government and passing laws that conflict with the majority of states.

The minute you go to a straight popular vote, you can kiss democracy and the nation goodbye as votes will be bought off (i.e. promises of money to the most people will get you the win.)

Go back and read history. It happened to Athens during the times of the Ancient Greeks. You want to go the way of the Athenian? I don't.

[CAP]

[QUOTE=iraqimillionaire]I would have to say as an Atheist, I am definitely "Christphobic", as you say. Those wacky right-wing Christian warmongers and their crusades sure scare the hell out of me. :D Hey, wasn't this county founded upon the principle of separation of church and state?

Sorry my friend, you could not be further from the truth. Our Republic was actually founded on Christian principles. But don't take my word for it, read about our founding fathers who signed the Declaration of Independence. You may be a little shocked at what you find.

The phrase "Separation of Church and State" cannot be found in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson made the statement in a personal letter, not a government document of any kind. However what you are referring to is freedom of religion. Our forefathers came to this land to escape the mandated religion being imposed in England. The Constitution declares that government cannot mandate a religion upon the people.

Jeffrey, do you still believe teaching politically based agenda's in the public schools is a good thing? How about, let's say, HISTORY! Economics, math, etc.

The average high school graduate of today could not pass a 6th grade test from 1880. Yet, we are better off for it? :confused:

[Collegeinvester1000]

I still contend that the EC is the way to go. States right forever (if they even still exsist in the fashion they used too.)

It seems like some people think Bush is pushing Christianity or his version thereof, on helpless Americans. That would be stretching the truth by a long shot.