Warning Question to Moderation All Read

[turcojm]

To all,
I just got my thread removed, I got a warning for hijacking a thread. I want the moderators to publically tell everybody why be answering these questions. He could of just deleted my thread, but I got a warning for "deliberatly posting false information". That is censorship in all forms.

1) I got warned for hijacking a thread. How can I hijack a thread when I created it? I did not hijack or post any unappropiate posts in any "serious" thread. Thats like hijacking my own car
2) My thread started with an abosoluly unbelievable rumor just to have a little fun at 11:00 at night. What gives you the right to say what is an appropriate rumor for the "rumor" section knowing that nothing posted in the rumor section is facts?

The moderators comment was "Deliberately posted false information in Rumor Forum. Thread deleted ". What gives you the right to make this call? Are you going to start deleting every post you think is false, based on what you think? I admit that mine was extreme, but your setting a dangerious precedent in deleting threads which you think are false, especially in the RUMORS section!

3) What is wrong with having a little fun in a thread that I started so some us can relieve some steam?

It is one thing to delete posts and give warning to people who publically attak people, but it is another to censor people for trying to put a little fun in such a tense enviroment.

My post which got deleted "George W. Bush just called me and told me that the Dinar will peg on Thursday at 2:00.

However, I also talked to Warren Buffet and he informed me that there some problems. Due to the Dinar being a restricted currency, only banks that have a "t" in the name, contain 2 ATMs, and a teller named Shirly will be allowed to exchange the Dinar. In addition, they can only give the US currency in pennies. A tough price to pay for riches, but hey, Warren Buffet says "Buy more Dinar"

[swartzfeger]

I didn't read the thread in question, but it sounds pretty clear your thread belonged in the lounge. I don't speak for the mods, just my .02.

[RET]

I would say that's exactly where it belongs. Have you even pmed the moderator who sent you the warning?????

[Wadaguy]

Kinda sounds like Germany, once upon a time.

[raptor78]

Seems like there are several concerns being raised regarding a "mod" over the past couple hours...

Believe, as I stated in regards to NYSackE's issue (Censorship) a mod needs to publically address the concerns...

Deleteing a thread, which is not in violation (I read the thread) is not appropriate... Moving it to the appropriate thread is more suiting to dealing with offtopic (which I did find this post to be)...

Let's here from our powers on high...

:wave:

[turcojm]

I did not Pm the moderator because I want him to publically state why he deleted my post.

I would have been perfictly fine if he moved the thread to the lounge or just deleted it.

However, I am not fine with him giving me a warning that I "deliberatly posted false information". That in my book is censorship, and censorship has no place in the RUMORS sections.

[dinarhopefull]

Kinda sounds like Germany, once upon a time.

Yes it does, is this website under fascist rule?

[Lux]

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?p=112204#post112204

Like I said:
This is the "Dinar Rumor Forum".

I will start deleting non rumor threads in the Dinar Forum as of today.

If you don't take the time to think of where you should post something, why should we take the time to move it to the proper forum.

[lasagnabro]

you posted on the wrong section, simple as that. dinar rumors are specifically for rumors of the dinar, not slapstick comedy attempts. the mod may have explained it a little better. no fascism virus detected. :D

[Lux]

I did not Pm the moderator because I want him to publically state why he deleted my post.

I would have been perfictly fine if he moved the thread to the lounge or just deleted it.

However, I am not fine with him giving me a warning that I "deliberatly posted false information". That in my book is censorship, and censorship has no place in the RUMORS sections.

Rule #12: Off topic discussions are only tolerated in the Dinarholic Lounge

[bottlebush]

Yes it does, is this website under fascist rule?
Just a Dumb comment:
The rule here is >I Believe< the choice of whoever is the owner of this site
O/K O/K I'll Go away

[SEABEE CAN-DO]

good for the mods. I am sick of garbage here in the rumor area. take it to the lounge..
sportlux has removed one of mine in the past. It didn't bother me one bit.
there is not any rights to free speech on a forum , try that at work.. bet you get fired.

[JB Smith]

The rule here is >I Believe< the choice of whoever is the owner of this site
Absolutely but if said owner wishes to foster a free exchange of ideas and information,

well,

nevermind.

But you'll feel a bit different if/when some of your posts disappear
for no reason you can imagine,
under any possible interpretation of the rules.

But this whole thread is off topic so
mv /dev_null

[RET]

I would venture to say that the posts don't disappear for no reason. There are rules on this forum. Simple and easy to follow rules. If you don't follow a rule, well ........

I, personally, do my best to move threads where they should have been posted in the first place. I also am doing my best to see that the rules are being followed. Who are the complainers? The rule breakers. I think that EVERYONE (except for 1 person) that I've had to deal with in pm's would say that I'm fair and the person I've warned has tried to understand where I'm coming from as a mod. Well, the other mods are fair, too. WE ARE DOING OUR JOB. Do your part and we won't have threads about this kind of stuff.

Ya'll need to understand that this is a big job and some of you create more work than is really necessary.

I used to get paid for babysitting when I was younger. Some of you are a full time job. :lmao: I'm sending your mother a bill. (that's a joke)

[Lux]

YEP - what she said!



Now it's time for this thread to find a new home in the Suggestion Box

[dinarhopefull]

By looking at you're avatar you look like one creepy babysitte :)

[NewYorkSackExchange]

Believe me Turcojm,

I'm not on the mods side, I was just given 3 points for saying the word "damn". But I saw your post and it was not a true rumor in the right section. It should be in the lounge area if you want to post humor.

NYSackE

To all,
I just got my thread removed, I got a warning for hijacking a thread. I want the moderators to publically tell everybody why be answering these questions. He could of just deleted my thread, but I got a warning for "deliberatly posting false information". That is censorship in all forms.

1) I got warned for hijacking a thread. How can I hijack a thread when I created it? I did not hijack or post any unappropiate posts in any "serious" thread. Thats like hijacking my own car
2) My thread started with an abosoluly unbelievable rumor just to have a little fun at 11:00 at night. What gives you the right to say what is an appropriate rumor for the "rumor" section knowing that nothing posted in the rumor section is facts?

The moderators comment was "Deliberately posted false information in Rumor Forum. Thread deleted ". What gives you the right to make this call? Are you going to start deleting every post you think is false, based on what you think? I admit that mine was extreme, but your setting a dangerious precedent in deleting threads which you think are false, especially in the RUMORS section!

3) What is wrong with having a little fun in a thread that I started so some us can relieve some steam?

It is one thing to delete posts and give warning to people who publically attak people, but it is another to censor people for trying to put a little fun in such a tense enviroment.

My post which got deleted "George W. Bush just called me and told me that the Dinar will peg on Thursday at 2:00.

However, I also talked to Warren Buffet and he informed me that there some problems. Due to the Dinar being a restricted currency, only banks that have a "t" in the name, contain 2 ATMs, and a teller named Shirly will be allowed to exchange the Dinar. In addition, they can only give the US currency in pennies. A tough price to pay for riches, but hey, Warren Buffet says "Buy more Dinar"

[JB Smith]

I would venture to say that the posts don't disappear for no reason. There are rules on this forum. Simple and easy to follow rules. If you don't follow a rule, well ........
I should probably drop it but
yes, i've read the rules, and i'm intelligent enough to understand them,
and conscientious and considerate enough to follow them
to the best of my ability.

Nonetheless i've seen posts disappear (mine included) for no apparent reason that i can think of,
even with my knowledge of the simple easy to follow rules.

Something to do with interpretation of the rules, perhaps?

I dunno. I appreciate the difficulty of your job and don't envy you,
been there done that,
still i think judgement calls should err on the side of caution. IMHO.

Not talking about the post that set off this thread,
i mean that was obvious.
.

[NewYorkSackExchange]

Dear NewYorkSackExchange,

You have been warned for one of your posts, which violated Investor's Iraq Forum Rules. The reason you have been warned is because:

Rule #4: Keep your language clean and decent
(Warning Type = ObsceneWords)

For this violation, you have been given : 1 point(s).
The point(s) will remain in your account for 10 days.
After that, they will be removed automatically.

The post for which you are warned can be seen here:

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Believe me Turcojm,

I'm not on the mods side, I was just given 3 points for saying the word "damn". But I saw your post and it was not a true rumor in the right section. It should be in the lounge area if you want to post humor.

NYSackE

[RET]

I think you should call it a night and go to bed. You are quite grumpy.

[Dinaress]

I think you should call it a night and go to bed. You are quite grumpy.

Well i told you my suggestion, apparently the needs are far more reaching than once thought?.... :drunk: :lmao:

[RET]

Well i told you my suggestion, apparently the needs are far more reaching than once thought?.... :drunk: :lmao:


Girl ....................... :lmao: :lmao:

[Dinaress]

Girl ....................... :lmao: :lmao:
i knowwwww............ :lmao: :lmao:

[sogrgirl]

My only concern is that, in the course of a conversation about, say, a rumor, it is inappropriate to post a humorous (in whoever's eyes, that isn't the issue) response? I find that it would be difficult to be reading along in a rumor (for instance) thread and read something that makes me think of something that some may or may not find "on topic". so, I must make the decision to create a new thread, or post and get a warning point, or not post at all??? It would all just get so incoherent and muddled. talk about making a mess of things. (this paragraph is almost as muddled as a thread that has deleted or moved posts!! :D )

I just found the option to view my warnings on the quick links button, is that new, or did I just never see it before? is this off topic? i am just so confused :confused: it scares me. :eek:

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, I understand the Mods have a big job here, but does it need to be quite SO BIG??? it's all in the interpretation of the rules I guess.

I really enjoy this site, and I think it is getting a little "grumpy" around here, it always seems to when we are facing some point on our ever-changing timeline...

Maybe we should all just try not to get upset about deleted posts, (I am in the please don't delete anything camp and I am just not sure about the need for all of this censorship) until these next few days pass, and realize that this, too, shall pass. what is happening is happening and we have the choice of not being here at all i suppose...

[CornyRellek]

Well i told you my suggestion, apparently the needs are far more reaching than once thought?.... :drunk: :lmao:

Just finished reading the 'warning' rules and............according to the 'politics/religion' warning rule(which by the way has no rule #??)everyone that posted a prayer post for Kim and her niece, needs to get 2 warning points!!!It wasn't posted in the politics/religion forum(this also includes me :wave: )Just trying to help out!!

How many points till you get banned?? :drunk:

[Dinaress]

Just finished reading the 'warning' rules and............according to the 'politics/religion' warning rule(which by the way has no rule #??)everyone that posted a prayer post for Kim and her niece, needs to get 2 warning points!!!It wasn't posted in the politics/religion forum(this also includes me :wave: )Just trying to help out!!

How many points till you get banned?? :drunk:

i never was one to read the fine print, it usually mean something you do not wanta hear..
Whats the prize? Is it like green stamps?
Fill me in, Corny ;) :wave:
p.s. love the avatar, handsome devil...LOL

[CornyRellek]

i never was one to read the fine print, it usually mean something you do not wanta hear..
Whats the prize? Is it like green stamps?
Fill me in, Corny ;) :wave:
p.s. love the avatar, handsome devil...LOL

Go to your quick links and look up your 'warnings'. There are a number of 'rules' :shhh:

p.s.- Handsome devil indeed...LOL(actual picture!! :lmao:)

[Dinaress]

ok i saw that, wow thats intense!! i best be a good, huh?
HEY? i thought i was already?? :confused: ;)

[lordrazor1]

ok i saw that, wow thats intense!! i best be a good, huh?
HEY? i thought i was already?? :confused: ;)

No just great, but I don't want to highjack the thread and get points... :p

[jonny]

So now we have big brother, great. Because of a few bad apples, I need read all the rules before I post and then hope I read them the same as the Mod's do.
I got a warning for saying "D@m$ it", in a tongue and cheek post. I guess this is foul language, even though you can say it on TV, radio and in a "G" rated movie. Truely sad. :mad:

[lordrazor1]

Do we not have a vote on these new rules? Are we being ruled by the Taliban? or the Nazi's? Is this a Democracy or not?

Well yes you do........It's just like being in a private club....you joined and follow the rules.....Just like being in the military, you join you follow the rules....you join a private organization, you follow the rules........you don't like the rules you don't join or leave......

[mike55]

I come to the forum to read actual rumors from people who are in country or have people in country that may be able to give some info on what may be happening in the process. My dinar investment is a serious thing to me. Not loosing any sleep. However, when someone posts some BS just to be funny, it's not funny. There are many well-educated and professional people that are members here and truly would like to become informed. Most of what's been happening in the past few months has been 3rd grade level chatting, slandering and posting crap just to see your message in print.

I really don't care what anyone may think of this message as I am here to glean information along with the info i research and analyse to get the big picture in Iraq. Very few of us know each other personally, so I can't say that there are friends here, just fellow speculators. I respect every single person who, in good faith, post information about what's happening in respect to the dinar....this is an investor's forum...not a do you believe in the war forum....or how are you feeling today forum.
So in answer to why threads or messages are deleted.....No value added. This forum is not a democracy....like a business establishment, the proprietor has the right to tell us to leave if we do not abide by the rules.
Waiting for the debut and out of here. This has become a site of crying school boys.

[trusteDINARisk]

Dear NewYorkSackExchange,

You have been warned for one of your posts, which violated Investor's Iraq Forum Rules. The reason you have been warned is because:

Rule #4: Keep your language clean and decent
(Warning Type = ObsceneWords)

For this violation, you have been given : 1 point(s).
The point(s) will remain in your account for 10 days.
After that, they will be removed automatically.

The post for which you are warned can be seen here:

=======================================
Believe me Turcojm,

I'm not on the mods side, I was just given 3 points for saying the word "damn". But I saw your post and it was not a true rumor in the right section. It should be in the lounge area if you want to post humor.

NYSackE
I have to say (my $.02 here), I understand the point of trying to "keep it clean," but I think this is just being a bit rigid. Don't get me wrong, I do think the Mods do a great job & are very necessary for this forum, but how unflexible do you become? I for one don't see how the word "d@mn" is offensive (By the way, if I spell it D-A-M, do I still get it counted against me? And, I'm being serious when I ask this.)? I'm a big kid. I can handle someones potty mouth from time-to-time (If I can watch television, I'm sure the language on this forum isnt going to kill me). Now if they are deliberately over & over dropping "F" bombs all over the place, YEAH, step in, but I don't think what NYS is saying is wrong or offensive in the context of what he is saying(venting).

Maybe the suggestion would be for one Mod to discuss (PM) with one or two other Mods prior to giving anyone a "point?"

[trusteDINARisk]

I have to say (my $.02 here), I understand the point of trying to "keep it clean," but I think this is just being a bit rigid. Don't get me wrong, I do think the Mods do a great job & are very necessary for this forum, but how unflexible do you become? I for one don't see how the word "d@mn" is offensive (By the way, if I spell it D-A-M, do I still get it counted against me? And, I'm being serious when I ask this.)? I'm a big kid. I can handle someones potty mouth from time-to-time (If I can watch television, I'm sure the language on this forum isnt going to kill me). Now if they are deliberately over & over dropping "F" bombs all over the place, YEAH, step in, but I don't think what NYS is saying is wrong or offensive in the context of what he is saying(venting).

Maybe the suggestion would be for one Mod to discuss (PM) with one or two other Mods prior to giving anyone a "point?"
Bumping this one!! Feel its important.

[Stash]

I come to the forum to read actual rumors from people who are in country or have people in country that may be able to give some info on what may be happening in the process. My dinar investment is a serious thing to me. Not loosing any sleep. However, when someone posts some BS just to be funny, it's not funny. There are many well-educated and professional people that are members here and truly would like to become informed. Most of what's been happening in the past few months has been 3rd grade level chatting, slandering and posting crap just to see your message in print.

I really don't care what anyone may think of this message as I am here to glean information along with the info i research and analyse to get the big picture in Iraq. Very few of us know each other personally, so I can't say that there are friends here, just fellow speculators. I respect every single person who, in good faith, post information about what's happening in respect to the dinar....this is an investor's forum...not a do you believe in the war forum....or how are you feeling today forum.
So in answer to why threads or messages are deleted.....No value added. This forum is not a democracy....like a business establishment, the proprietor has the right to tell us to leave if we do not abide by the rules.
Waiting for the debut and out of here. This has become a site of crying school boys.

Mike, the war is what made this investment possible and is very much on topic. It has everything to do with the dinar. I will continue to discuss it and hope others will also.

[RET]

I am a broken record.
I am a broken record.

WE ARE COMING UP WITH A LIST. IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. True, 'damn' may be a little harsh. We're discussing it.

I seriously doubt the word 'damn' is in a g-rated movie ... you can pm me if you know of one.


Lordrazor is right on when he said this:
Well yes you do........It's just like being in a private club....you joined and follow the rules.....Just like being in the military, you join you follow the rules....you join a private organization, you follow the rules........you don't like the rules you don't join or leave......

[thmgroup]

(This is not in response to anyone post in particular - Just a general statement)

Rules are rules. Participation in this forum is a great opportunity, but it comes with responsibility. Who ever said we can do whatever we want whenever we want?

I look at this forum as I would my neighbor's house. I expect that if my children go there to play, they must abide by their rules. If they don't play nice, use foul language, are violent (verbally, physically), they will be asked to modify their behavior. If they refuse to do this, or verbally assault the Moderator (Mom) they will be asked to leave. It is a not a right, but a privilege for my kids to play there. It is not a right but a privilege for us to play here.

Where did the concept of personal responsibility get lost with freedom and liberty?

[mike55]

Mike, the war is what made this investment possible and is very much on topic. It has everything to do with the dinar. I will continue to discuss it and hope others will also. Point taken Stash..thanks..was just trying to move point. Wrong point on the war thing....my apologies to all on that one....:o

[Stash]

Point taken Stash..thanks..was just trying to move point. Wrong point on the war thing....my apologies to all on that one....:o

Thanks for the friendly reply Mike I apreciate it. :)
Ps: Point well taken on the rest.

[Lux]

The problem with turcojm post is that it was a new thread and it was placed in the wrong forum - not simply an off-topic comment to make someone laugh.

We have plenty of forums to post just about anything you'd like. If the forum doesn't exist Dan is more than willing to consider creating a new one. I know this by personal experience BEFORE I became a moderator (see Iraqi Gov't/Society Forum).

As a member I really didn't care much for the Dinar Rumor Forum. I even asked Dan to move it out of the Iraqi Dinar Forum (where it once resided) when we were having problems with it back in March, so that it wouldn't receive "top billing". He thought it was a good idea and moved it - also a point to consider for the silly conspiracy theorists who think Dan is promoting rumors. If Dan wanted to, he could make this WHOLE BOARD a rumor forum. He hasn't - he actually went the other way - and is now implementing features to better manage some of the chaos that the Rumor Forum has caused. We can fix and we are fixing it.

As a moderator, I know have to "care" for the whole board - including the Rumor Forum. I have clearly posted reminders and warnings about the problems we have had in the Rumor Forum. http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=8234

I posted this on 8/9/05 11:51 PM because the Rumor Forum was becoming a battlefield.

This is a general warning to all.

Stop posting irrelevant threads attacking ANYONE on any part of the board.

I am talking to all three factions:

Clay Supporters who chose to be led by an anonymous person
Clay Haters who question his outlandish predictions
IIF Leader Haters who have concocted mindless conspiracy theories
Guess what - you are ALL probably wrong!

If this continues, I will sit by like a sniper and have you banned one by one.

We will restore order to this board on IP at a time.

I posted this as a follow up on 8/13/05 4:09PM because everyone was using the Dinar Forum to post anything they wanted about anything they could find.

Please do not post non-rumor threads here.

All roads lead to dinar, so if its about:

the constitution then post it in Iraqi Society
the valuation, the the Iraqi Dinar
how rich you will be, the Dinarholic Lounge
etc, get the picture
We read the entire Forum and it's primarily all about dinar. Please post in the Forum most relevant to you topic.

No more one-stop shopping in the Dinar Rumor Forum

If been moving too may threads and the delete button is looking real good right about now.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation!


I continued moving threads that were non rumor threads, but in the end, I gave fair and ample warning on 8/21/05 3:37 PM that I would no longer tolerate non-rumor threads in the Rumor Forum any longer and that these threads would now be deleted.

This is the "Dinar Rumor Forum".

I will start deleting non rumor threads in the Dinar Forum as of today.

If you don't take the time to think of where you should post something, why should we take the time to move it to the proper forum.

I think I've been patient enough with people who do not care to follow the simplest rules of this forum and create an abundance of work for the Moderators.

We're taking a hard stance on this because we are trying to restore order for those who actually want to benefit from this site and do not treat in like some YAHOO chat room.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT EQUAL ANARCHY.

Respectfully,

:cool:
Lux

[RET]

I couldn't agree any more with you, Lux. You speak for all of us. We have been very patient.

[sogrgirl]

You are correct, LUX

I made the mistake of visiting a yahoo chat room and $*&#%!! I would really HATE it if this forum were to degenerate to those levels. all I did was click on a link from the main yahoo page. omg :eek:

I am still not big on the steps that the Mods feel they must take to maintain the high level of decorum here. But, I do understand them.

[danpeg]

Lux, as always, you make fantastic points. Thank you for all your hard work.

I have posted more info about our system here:
http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?p=114220#post114220

Thank you for keeping this thread thoughtful everyone.

Dan

[Stash]

I had another post deleted the other day, it pissed me off for a minute then I got over it. Its really not that big of a deal and im certain in their shoes I could not do their task any better.

It also helps me to remember that they are doing this for free.
Taking their own valuable time to try to make this a better site, when it would be so much easier and probably more fun to just be a regular member.

Nor will i hold them to unreasonable standards of perfection that I could never meet.

[Hollywood]

I've been around here a while.
The Mods have always been helpful and respectful.
If every member would keep him/her self in check the Mods jobs would be a lot easier.
Respect the rules, and try to have a little fun along the way.
HW

[Ranger]

I had another post deleted the other day, it pissed me off for a minute then I got over it. Its really not that big of a deal and im certain in their shoes I could not do their task any better.

It also helps me to remember that they are doing this for free.
Taking their own valuable time to try to make this a better site, when it would be so much easier and probably more fun to just be a regular member.

Nor will i hold them to unreasonable standards of perfection that I could never meet.


They dont do it for free, they get $500K a year each for being mods, did`nt you know that?

Just Kidding, they do a great job and I am sure none of the rest of us could do any better.

People just need to stop and think about what they want to say and where it needs to go from the start, add a little civility and humanity when typing, consideration, and respect, with a dash of kindness, and bake until done then served to the forum, with a smile. :D

[Templecityboy]

Believe me Turcojm,

I'm not on the mods side, I was just given 3 points for saying the word "damn". But I saw your post and it was not a true rumor in the right section. It should be in the lounge area if you want to post humor.

NYSackE
I'm not on your side either SACK (becasue you called me a jerk for being a philly fan) :happy26: , but I will say that the word in question is in the bible. It is a word that describes a person's descent to the undrworld I.E. Hates, Hell,Lake of fire etc... which is a place described in the bible. Both of these terms including the suffix in jackass are all acceptable words to use and not categorized as profane. This is especially true if you are using self-deprecating humor and directing them at yourself.
Objectivity is what we are looking for here, not the personal and religious values of a moderator.
My suggestion: WE VOTE!!!
This forum belongs to US!! The contributors!!! ....people who pay for it, people who research and people who contribute valuable info. I say we compile a list of our concerns and bring it to a referendum. This will quell further discussion on this topic and we can go back to Dinar talk. Then if you don't follow the rules you deserve to be banned....simple as that.
How can you be assessed three points for using profanity when you didn't even swear???? We all know what constitutes the profane including taking God's name in vane. These should be considered punishable... bottom line!!!
LET'S Vote!!! We all talk so much of freedom and democracy for Iraq, let's try our hand at the same for ourselves. Then it's done!!

[PghRiverRat]

Ok, I vote that the mods and Dan get to decide all.

[lordrazor1]

anyone either, but I have points on me too........But everyone clicked and agreeded to the forum rules....now everyone wants them changed......well we are just users of this fourm not the owners.......so the rules are rules...Just like when you die....If you go to H-e double toothpicks, you can't say hey God, I didn't know the rules, even though you have that book out, I want a do over.......Just sayin'!

['Prior' Dinar]

I think you all should grow up and be respectful to others.

[thmgroup]

...
Objectivity is what we are looking for here, not the personal and religious values of a moderator.
My suggestion: WE VOTE!!!
This forum belongs to US!! The contributors!!! ....people who pay for it, people who research and people who contribute valuable info. I say we compile a list of our concerns and bring it to a referendum. This will quell further discussion on this topic and we can go back to Dinar talk. Then if you don't follow the rules you deserve to be banned....simple as that.
How can you be assessed three points for using profanity when you didn't even swear???? We all know what constitutes the profane including taking God's name in vane. These should be considered punishable... bottom line!!!
LET'S Vote!!! We all talk so much of freedom and democracy for Iraq, let's try our hand at the same for ourselves. Then it's done!!

You are absolutely right! If you feel so strongly about this, you should start your own forum where you can make the rules. If we choose to join your forum we do so understanding that it's your forum and therefore we agree to your rules. That's what's great about our freedom and democracy!

[Templecityboy]

There's no specifics on the rules and under who's ideals it caters to. Its' too ambiguous. Call it an amendment now that the forum has grown in numbers and different belief systems. Nothing is static.

[Stash]

Ok, I vote that the mods and Dan get to decide all.

LOL! I 2nd that!

One of Dans rewards for creating this site is the authority to direct it.
This is 110% confirmed by all my best sources.

Its easy enough to create your own rules, simply create your own web site. :wave:

[lordrazor1]

There's no specifics on the rules and under who's ideals it caters to. Its' too ambiguous. Call it an amendment now that the forum has grown in numbers and different belief systems. Nothing is static.

Look at it this way, I own a bar I say no guns and I have my bouncers enforce that rule.......Well a guy gets busted for bringing in a 22....well it's a little gun and wants the rules changed because he thinks the bouncer shouldn't have stopped him and not let him in because it was a small gun. So all the gang members want to bring in 22's lets take a vote, because we have a lot more gang members now......sorry but it's my club, no guns means no guns....not a votable issue......Owners rules and bouncer enforce....Principle is the same...

[Templecityboy]

You are absolutely right! If you feel so strongly about this, you should start your own forum where you can make the rules. If we choose to join your forum we do so understanding that it's your forum and therefore we agree to your rules. That's what's great about our freedom and democracy!
I refuse to marginalise myself or others. I have the greatest and utmost respect for Danpeg and the other mods. They know me very well and the contributions I've made to the forum. One thing they do know is I'm assertive, aggressive when I feel something needs to be changed, I'm certainly a gogetter and I don't, and won't kiss their arse just because they have the power to ban me.
I'm not condoning breaking the rules at all.... I just say we vote on what the majority of people feel is acceptable behavior, profane and justifiable in the realm of common sense and reason. For the most part i have no problem with the rules. i just feel some should be tweeked a little.
Also, it would be nice if some of you who pm me all the time to have me assert your concerns openly would start to do it yourselves so that I don't look like I'm trying to make trouble. A vote would put an end to all this extraneous discussion on the mods and censorship.

[Templecityboy]

Look at it this way, I own a bar I say no guns and I have my bouncers enforce that rule.......Well a guy gets busted for bringing in a 22....well it's a little gun and wants the rules changed because he thinks the bouncer shouldn't have stopped him and not let him in because it was a small gun. So all the gang members want to bring in 22's lets take a vote, because we have a lot more gang members now......sorry but it's my club, no guns means no guns....not a votable issue......Owners rules and bouncer enforce....Principle is the same...
Oh for the love....you gotta be kidding me. :lmao:
You definitelay get an A for effort and creativity though :happy26:

[Ranger]

I think the mods and Dan do vote on the issues that need to be addressed for the good of the forum, they at least discuss from what I have read on here.

[lordrazor1]

Oh for the love....you gotta be kidding me. :lmao:

Yes it's a point, (maybe to an extreme) of rules are rules, but as usual most Libs don't like to follow rules, they want to vote on everything until they get their way, because crying seems to work...the reason for the bad language rule is that they might have kids on here.....Nothing they probably don't hear on school grounds true, but we don't have to promote it here either....

[Templecityboy]

Like I said I feel most of the rules are kosher... I just don't agree with what's considered profane for the most part and a few underlying issues that continually come up. I just think it would be nice to quell these topics once and for all. :huge:

[Templecityboy]

Yes it's a point, (maybe to an extreme) of rules are rules, but as usual most Libs don't like to follow rules, they want to vote on everything until they get their way, because crying seems to work...the reason for the bad language rule is that they might have kids on here.....Nothing they probably don't hear on school grounds true, but we don't have to promote it here either....
I'm not a freakin' Lib dude... I'm an objective moderate who killed a huge buck last year and got my sights on pope and young I been scouting for the last two weeks. I spent my adolescent years in Killeen TX, was brought up in the heart of Amish country PA, and now live in Phily. I've seen all facets of the political and ethnic spectrum and this is what makes me objective... not a lib just because you disagree with me.

[lordrazor1]

I'm not a freakin' Lib dude... I'm an objective moderate who killed a huge buck last year and got my sights on pope and young I been scouting for the last two weeks. I spent my adolescent years in Killeen TX, was brought up in the heart of Amish country PA, and now live in Phily. I've seen all facets of the political and ethnic spectrum and this is what makes me objective... not a lib just because you disagree with me.


I don't disagree with you, you disagree with the rules of the forum.....I'm just pointing out rules are rules.......you're the one getting all up tight about it.

[Lux]

TCB

I agree that "in a sense", this site belongs to all, but the ultimate liability lies in Dan's hands.

For that reason, he chooses what goes and what doesn't go. He also chooses who his counselors are and those who will enforce his rules because in the end, he is responsible for this site and absolutely no one else.

[Templecityboy]

TCB

I agree that "in a sense", this site belongs to all, but the ultimate liability lies in Dan's hands.

For that reason, he chooses what goes and what doesn't go. He also chooses who his counselors are and those who will enforce his rules because in the end, he is responsible for this site and absolutely no one else.
Liability??? Not sure what you mean. We can resume this discussion after Danpeg proposes his new set of rules. Hopefully we won't need a vote.

[Lux]

Sorry but there won't be a vote.

As far as liability, Dan is legally responsible for this site.