Majority to Push Constitution Through Iraqi Parliament

[Aequitas]

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Aug. 27) - Iraq's Shiite and Kurdish leaders decided Friday to send an amended constitution to parliament this weekend, even though Sunni Arab negotiators said they rejected the latest document. Bypassing Sunnis would be a blow to U.S. efforts to lure them away from the insurgency.


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[Dinar Lady]

This one wins it for the most discouraging thing I've read on this forum This is one sad group of people. :mad:

"How can two walk together except they be agreed"... let alone three. I think we should have never encouraged the sunni involvement with the constitution. That to me is the biggest delusion...thinking you can invite the enemy into your camp and then walk out holding hands and in agreement. Not unless you have some very gifted negotiators (statesmen) that know how to solve enormous problems.

They shouldn't have made a way for the sunni's to join in the process and then let them fight it out for the last 8 months and there would be that few left to cause trouble. It is beyond me how they could have double kicked themselves in the butt by not only inviting their involvement but then make it a 3 province majoity "no" vote to wipe the whole process out.

Stupid!Stupid!Stupid! How stupid can you get. Let them go to war and get it over with cuz they won't win!! "War is reserved for foolish children" Bring it on!! :happy64:

[RogerL]

There's a direct contradiction in that article. First it says that the Shi'ites in a last minute compromise because of Bush's phone call, proposed that federalism and de-Baathification be postponed to the next parliament, a proposal the Sunnis "angrily" rejected.

Yet later on in the same article, it says: "Sunnis had insisted that the contentious issues of federalism and the fate of Baath party members be deferred to the next parliament, in which they hope to have more members." Correct me if I'm wrong but this directly contradicts the Sunni's reaction to the Shi'ite compromise proposal. Why would they "angrily reject" what in essence is their own proposal?

This tells me that whoever wrote this doesn't know any more about what's going on than we do.

[H2OLover]

They just keep spinning the stories ....

[shotgunsusie]

There's a direct contradiction in that article. First it says that the Shi'ites in a last minute compromise because of Bush's phone call, proposed that federalism and de-Baathification be postponed to the next parliament, a proposal the Sunnis "angrily" rejected.

Yet later on in the same article, it says: "Sunnis had insisted that the contentious issues of federalism and the fate of Baath party members be deferred to the next parliament, in which they hope to have more members." Correct me if I'm wrong but this directly contradicts the Sunni's reaction to the Shi'ite compromise proposal. Why would they "angrily reject" what in essence is their own proposal?

This tells me that whoever wrote this doesn't know any more about what's going on than we do.


TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON JOHNNY!!!!!!

[Aequitas]

from AOL. It was posted the morning of the 27th. Front page.



Durka,Durka, Mohamed Jihad :lmao:

[bears86fishin]

Correct me if i am wrong.......its going to parliament tomorow (sunday for a vote) from what i have been able to read. The question i have is this: does the predection of the peg happening monday still stand?

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[Tango Mike]

I have read they and they ARE NOT meeting tomorrow, some say it was a done deal last Monday....I am SOooooooooo confused at this point.

Monday will come and we shall see, last poll was not all that favorable for Monday...

TM

[PghRiverRat]

Correct me if i am wrong.......its going to parliament tomorow (sunday for a vote) from what i have been able to read. The question i have is this: does the predection of the peg happening monday still stand?

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At this point, it doesn't matter. The predictions are just that. Predictions. By those who are NOT involved in the process. So as usual, we just wait and see. Or we can use a couple hundred posts to decide if we want to believe the predictions. Me, I'll go enjoy the weekend...But I believe those who posted rumors will stand by the info they got, unless that changes, in which case they will repost. :drunk:

[Dinar Is Served!]

Remember the fact that the Iraqi economy has alot to offer the world and that at some point this money will be worth quite a bit more than what it is now. Hopefully sometime this next week we will see them start to unroll the economic package.

[BlueLake]

I can't help but thinking if they had already tried Suddam there were not be such an uprising over this with the Sunni radicals. Long as he is alive and breathing and his family is busily (with funds) trying to activate his party, Sunni's have their mission. I think the reason they did not do it yet is because they (we) want the formal govt to be the ones to execute him.
What a mess. You're wrong if you do and wrong if you don't.
I hope it goes thru tomorrow (Iraq's sunday i mean) but I'm not holding my breath.........

[The Baghdaddy]

I can't help but thinking if they had already tried Suddam there were not be such an uprising over this with the Sunni radicals. Long as he is alive and breathing and his family is busily (with funds) trying to activate his party, Sunni's have their mission. I think the reason they did not do it yet is because they (we) want the formal govt to be the ones to execute him.
What a mess. You're wrong if you do and wrong if you don't.
I hope it goes thru tomorrow (Iraq's sunday i mean) but I'm not holding my breath.........

Originally Posted by The Baghdaddy
Hi everyone.
looks like GW has really been pulling some strings and offering olive branches.
1000 prisoners out of abu graib phew. Thats some gesture! Like I have said all along, they badly need the Sunnis to accept the constitution so it sails through the referendum.
I think they may have just got that. If they havent then this whole thing and everything we have been working for is dead in the water.
I am praying that the Sunnis accept this or Im getting out of the country and heading for the hills lol (only joking, Ill just ask for a pay rise lol).
We are very close to the constitution I can feel it.
I cant see them forcing it through. Thoughts people?
I posted this on another thread but thanks to blue lake I have decided to post it here. :)

[big time]

How does it make everyone feel that your president released 1000 prisoners that your sons, daughters and relatives died for? Just another 1000 votes against the constitution. Oh well who cares!

[bears86fishin]

bigtime

I don't anybody here cares how i feel about good ole GW. As i have seen nothing or very little good he has done for his own people much less some other country.

[The Baghdaddy]

How does it make everyone feel that your president released 1000 prisoners that your sons, daughters and relatives died for? Just another 1000 votes against the constitution. Oh well who cares!

I have lost friends out here and Im sure they would much rather deals be done that don't sit very comfortably with us, than the whole thing degenarate into a civil war.
Because mark my words, if the Sunnis arent appeased there will be more bloodshed here than anything we have ever seen before.
One more life lost here is one too many.
If they do force this through, it will be a major catastrophe for the country and the people.
We need all sides to agree; to restore peace and security and help us reach the next milestone. The referendum.
I cant see the referendum working, without ALL leaders behind the constitution.
This may not be a huge turning point on the ground for the Iraqi people, but it sure is for everyone who has invested blood, sweat and tears to bring democracy to Iraq.

[BBbucks]

How does it make everyone feel that your president released 1000 prisoners that your sons, daughters and relatives died for? Just another 1000 votes against the constitution. Oh well who cares!

IMO, it certainly brings to light the fact that it's not really the other Iraqi's that the Sunnis are negotiating with. I think the prisoners being let go has alot more to do with reparations for the torture that was caught on tape that was inflicted by our US soldiers. And the fact that the rumour from Clay says that the Kurds are asking for a 1:1 or 1.20:1 peg…and not to mention that the Shiites are in bed with Iran…really makes ya wonder who is negotiating with who. :rolleye03

[BBbucks]

Oh & by the way…I firmly believe that the Abu Gharib "situation" was the turning point that caused this whole operation over there to just spiral downward. Just think how much better off the Iraqis, and the whole world would be right now if that whole thing never happened. I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed by all the ex-warriors out there- but honestly- did any of the ones that were tortured prove to have offered up any valuable information to our military as a result of those tactics? If we were over there to liberate them- we should have shown that our military was acting professionally like the greatest military forces in the world should. Yeah, I know the few soldiers involved were all tried in court & that they don't represent the majority- but I don't think for a minute that the families of those guys that were tortured are gonna "just forget" how they were treated. It's sad really. :(

[The Baghdaddy]

Oh & by the way…I firmly believe that the Abu Gharib "situation" was the turning point that caused this whole operation over there to just spiral downward. Just think how much better off the Iraqis, and the whole world would be right now if that whole thing never happened. I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed by all the ex-warriors out there- but honestly- did any of the ones that were tortured prove to have offered up any valuable information to our military as a result of those tactics? If we were over there to liberate them- we should have shown that our military was acting professionally like the greatest military forces in the world should. Yeah, I know the few soldiers involved were all tried in court & that they don't represent the majority- but I don't think for a minute that the families of those guys that were tortured are gonna "just forget" how they were treated. It's sad really. :(

Although your a little off topic I do agree that it wasnt the best way to win hearts and minds.
I actually work with an ex colonel of Iraqi engineers and he told me categorically that all those Iraqis who fought in the 91 war said how well they had been treated once they had been captured; he was also firmly convinced that the coalitions treatment of prisoners in 91 ensured that this time there were less casualties on all sides than there could have been.
I cant help wondering if in 91 there had been a similar incident if they would have been quite as willing to surrender this time around.
Credit to all our forces though besides this incident, conducted by frustrated people "in the rear with the gear," they have all acted with the finest traditions of their service and with a proffesional and human dignity rare in combat.
Our forces Brit and American are the envy of the world and rightly so.

[SaraDinar]

Sunnis Offer New Proposals on Constitution
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer 20 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A Sunni Arab negotiator said Saturday that Sunnis submitted counterproposals on Iraq's constitution and would meet with the U.S. ambassador, who has urged the country's factions to produce a charter acceptable to all.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq

[BBbucks]

Our forces Brit and American are the envy of the world and rightly so.

I agree- B-Daddy & thanks for your comments about '91. It kind of angers me though when you think about all the violence that erupted over that incident and all the lives that were lost as a result of a few soldiers irresponsible actions.
IMO- alot of you guys over there would have been sent home alot sooner if that never happened. JMHO-

now-back to topic-sounds like it is good news that they are being released- maybe we can put some of those bad memories behind us & get them to sign off on their constitution. I hope that we can get them to trust us now. Maybe a big fat dinar peg will do the trick. ;)