The New United States Revolution

[Daddy Needs Mils]

We now have a new area we can go to brainstorm, argue, or whatever is needed to start a new American Revolution.

Be aware that this still in the political forum, and carries the same warnings as any other political forum here at the IIF.

The time has come to not just speak up, but to give plans of action that we can all be willing to do.

My personal challenge is for all who visit this part of the forum, to DO something about the state of the United States, and not just whine about it.

My first challenge is fo all to visit the Constitution Party website. My special thanks to Creationworks for getting me started a couple of months. www.constitutionparty.com (http://www.constitutionparty.com)

If you have a better idea, this is the place to let us know.

[GypsyRose]

The Constitutionalist Party is the result of frustration with the current political parties of America who are not taking the steps necessary to promote the Constitution and human freedom.

All the other political parties either only pay lip service to the following of the Constitution and the advancement of human freedom while promoting legislation that does otherwise, or they seek to promote change without allowing for any compromise, which essentially makes the change they advocate impossible. It is a fact of American politics that change cannot occur without compromise and incrementalism of some kind.

The Founding Fathers faced the same problem. The Constitution itself would never have been brought into existence without compromises between those who believed in a strong central government and those who advocated the autonomy of the states, as well as the compromises between the power of the government and the rights of the people. The Constitution, as a result, is not perfect in fulfilling the needs of any one ideology, but it has succeeded in promoting enough common needs that it remains the major factor behind the tremendous success of the United States in the world today.

[GypsyRose]

Looking for your own state information:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_states.php


This is a new direction many Americans are taking. Reform starts with like-minded people taking control of their own areas and moving forward.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

You have to start somewhere folks. You can't start at the top and expect anything but a failure. Get these people in where they can get a foot in the door, and make their way into the system.

The People of the United States, I believe, are ready to do something. It may take a generation, it may not.

But sitting on our collective rears, but obtain us nothing but what we have....a failing 2 party system that needs to be overhauled. The longer we wait, the more freedoms we lose, and the more it will cost us, our kid, and their kids.

[wherbie]

thanks daddy...

that website seems a little radical ...no bailout for wall street...i like that idea...

hgurry up...QUICK vote on this NOW.....

WAIT A MINUTE...700 BILLION OR 1 TRILLION ...IS MORE LIKE IT...WHAT DO YOU MEAN HURRY UP, VOTE ON IT NOW...CAN WE THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WEEK OR SO ?...

so ...we bail out the idiots who have been short circuting the " bank system"...with bad paper....and what does the " bail out "...do for the banks who followed the rules?...and didnt do anything shady ?....NOTHING...

thats B.S....thats why they want a " HURRY UP, AND VOTE NOW "...so it dosent have time to sink in ?....I WANT BARNEY FRANKS HEAD ON A STICK.....lots of high paid people who know better....

SHOULD GO TO JAIL....NOT BE BAILED OUT.....corporate lying bastardos...with golden parachutes...and bonuses...

when KMART was going out of business....the 30 man board of directors ...voted each other raises, and gave each other " loans " of hundreds of millions of dollars...just 90 days before the declared bankrupcy...and stuch all their suppliers with millions of bad debt....

SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL...SCREW THE GREEDY BASTARDOS...EXCUSE ME....i am getting a little excited....


EOM

[Daddy Needs Mils]

thanks daddy...

that website seems a little radical ...no bailout for wall street...i like that idea...

EOM

Radical?

The Constitution Party radical?????

They stand by the constitution of The United States.

Are we so far away that we don't recognize our constitution?

[GypsyRose]

Radical?

The Constitution Party radical?????

They stand by the constitution of The United States.

Are we so far away that we don't recognize our constitution?


Perhaps this might help:



The Democrats and Republicans have squandered the Founders' legacy of liberty and justice under the Constitution. Countless government officials in the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government ignore their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
Join the Constitution Party in its work to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;

2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;

3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;

4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;

5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;

6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;

7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.


Most adults had pass Constitutional History to get out of high school, yet most do not realize how far away from the constitution our government really has gotten.

[rueben]

Just be careful. You might be labeled a pacifist. Or even worse - a democrat.

"Foreign Involvement:
The Constitution Party has consistently opposed American involvement in conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Central and South America. These United States has no interest in these areas which would justify the sacrifice of Americans on foreign battlefields - nor is our country properly cast as a merchant of death in international arms races.

We propose that these United States:

repudiate any commitment, express or implied, to send U.S. troops to participate in foreign conflicts, whether unilaterally, under NATO auspices, or as a part of the United Nations "peace-keeping" operations; and
cease financing, or arming of belligerents in the world's troubled areas.
We support the principle of the Monroe Doctrine, which expresses U.S. opposition to European adventurism in the Western Hemisphere.

We call upon the Congress to immediately terminate American military presence in all foreign countries where such U.S. presence constitutes an invitation for this nation to become involved in, or further participate in, foreign wars."

http://constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

[TrueBlue]

5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers

I see the value of the Constitutional Party, but I do disagree with some of its precepts. The above statement has some concern. I have watched people talk on this forum, and have listened to multiple debates, and have seen the inept Constitutional understanding over and over again in regards to very simple issues such as Presidential Election Law, and it makes me wonder...If these people cannot understand something that leaves nothing for interpretation, how do they expect some of us to believe that they understand the "actual intent of the Founding Fathers?"

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Just be careful. You might be labeled a pacifist. Or even worse - a democrat.

"Foreign Involvement:
The Constitution Party has consistently opposed American involvement in conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Central and South America. These United States has no interest in these areas which would justify the sacrifice of Americans on foreign battlefields - nor is our country properly cast as a merchant of death in international arms races.


We propose that these United States:

repudiate any commitment, express or implied, to send U.S. troops to participate in foreign conflicts, whether unilaterally, under NATO auspices, or as a part of the United Nations "peace-keeping" operations; and
cease financing, or arming of belligerents in the world's troubled areas. If we eliminate the need for middle eastern oil, we would be ceasing the financing of terrorism by more than most of the rest of the world combined. NO NATO... absolutely no NATO. Nato is a parasite to this country as well as Great Britain and other allies too.
We support the principle of the Monroe Doctrine, which expresses U.S. opposition to European adventurism in the Western Hemisphere.

We call upon the Congress to immediately terminate American military presence in all foreign countries where such U.S. presence constitutes an invitation for this nation to become involved in, or further participate in, foreign wars."

http://constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

Maybe if we concern ourselves with our own sovereignty first, as do so many other countries, we wouldn't be such hated cash cows. There wouldn't be lines of countries standing around with their hands our, and would have to learn to feed themselves, or possibly take their own countries back from the tyranny of their own governments, like we need to do right now.

We have the power to defend ourselves. We have the resources to sustain ourselves. We should not be pillaging other countries, and being a bunch of NIMBY's.

Yes... this...is a change. Change to restructuring our country back to it's roots of greatness.

It takes backbone to do something, and not just use words. At this point, how can anyone with a straight face, or a conscience deny we need to get politics as usual thrown out?

This part of the forum is meant to stir thoughts................then PUT THEM TO ACTION. And the PC Police can eat :swear:

[Artemus]

We now have a new area we can go to brainstorm, argue, or whatever is needed to start a new American Revolution.

Be aware that this still in the political forum, and carries the same warnings as any other political forum here at the IIF.

The time has come to not just speak up, but to give plans of action that we can all be willing to do.

My personal challenge is for all who visit this part of the forum, to DO something about the state of the United States, and not just whine about it.

My first challenge is fo all to visit the Constitution Party website. My special thanks to Creationworks for getting me started a couple of months. www.constitutionparty.com (http://www.constitutionparty.com)

If you have a better idea, this is the place to let us know.

AHHH! Surprised and interested...........Thanks for the heads up! :huge:

[rueben]

Maybe if we concern ourselves with our own sovereignty first, as do so many other countries, we wouldn't be such hated cash cows. There wouldn't be lines of countries standing around with their hands our, and would have to learn to feed themselves, or possibly take their own countries back from the tyranny of their own governments, like we need to do right now.

We have the power to defend ourselves. We have the resources to sustain ourselves. We should not be pillaging other countries, and being a bunch of NIMBY's.

Yes... this...is a change. Change to restructuring our country back to it's roots of greatness.

It takes backbone to do something, and not just use words. At this point, how can anyone with a straight face, or a conscience deny we need to get politics as usual thrown out?

This part of the forum is meant to stir thoughts................then PUT THEM TO ACTION. And the PC Police can eat :swear:

So, teach me. How do you plan on going about that in this age of globalization? Are you willing to be the one to flip the switch and turn off America's dependence on foreign oil and other natural resources? Does revolution mean going back the days of the horse and buggy? Growing our own food supply? No longer pretending that our foreign policy is designed to protect us from evil terrorists, instead of acknowledging that U.S. corporate interests around the world are cloaked in patriotism?

Trust me. I hear what you're saying. I believe that after 250 years of living under the system we've devised, it would take a complete implosion of this society before a back to basics mentality would take hold. And I certainly do not want that. Who would ?

[blue99]

hey thanks for the link..i never heard of the constitution party before..thanks again

[TrueBlue]

Perhaps this might help:




Most adults had pass Constitutional History to get out of high school, yet most do not realize how far away from the constitution our government really has gotten.

So, teach me. How do you plan on going about that in this age of globalization? Are you willing to be the one to flip the switch and turn off America's dependence on foreign oil and other natural resources? Does revolution mean going back the days of the horse and buggy? Growing our own food supply? No longer pretending that our foreign policy is designed to protect us from evil terrorists, instead of acknowledging that U.S. corporate interests around the world are cloaked in patriotism?

Trust me. I hear what you're saying. I believe that after 250 years of living under the system we've devised, it would take a complete implosion of this society before a back to basics mentality would take hold.

To accomplish this we do not need to regress that far, only start once again to care for our own LEGAL residents first before we take on world's problems and mistakes as our own.

[Howler]

things have to change, that is certain.
Its also certain that the only way we can effect this change is from the bottom up, not the other way around.


I'm all for change, and adhering to the constitution is a great place to START. My only concern is injecting even more religion into the political arena.

[Bart]

You have to start somewhere folks. You can't start at the top and expect anything but a failure. Get these people in where they can get a foot in the door, and make their way into the system.

The People of the United States, I believe, are ready to do something. It may take a generation, it may not.

But sitting on our collective rears, but obtain us nothing but what we have....a failing 2 party system that needs to be overhauled. The longer we wait, the more freedoms we lose, and the more it will cost us, our kid, and their kids.

Correct. This country was founded from the bottom up. The Govts' were our servants. In the last hundred or so years, this got reversed.

Retaking the soveriegnty of the states back from the fed is a good start, then taking the soverienty from the states back to the people.

I'm in.

Bart

[Daddy Needs Mils]

So, teach me. How do you plan on going about that in this age of globalization? Are you willing to be the one to flip the switch and turn off America's dependence on foreign oil and other natural resources? Does revolution mean going back the days of the horse and buggy? Growing our own food supply? No longer pretending that our foreign policy is designed to protect us from evil terrorists, instead of acknowledging that U.S. corporate interests around the world are cloaked in patriotism?

Trust me. I hear what you're saying. I believe that after 250 years of living under the system we've devised, it would take a complete implosion of this society before a back to basics mentality would take hold. And I certainly do not want that. Who would ?

And you think we aren't imploding now? That's what makes the timing now the best time of all.

We have either reached a turning point, or a point of no return. Which will it be? Will it be painless? Of course not. But men in this country need to grow a pair again, and the women need to support their men that do.

I don't have all the answers. That is the point of this section. Our country started with but a few brave people. Can it be done without violence? I don't honestly know.

What I do know is that my life is getting shorter, and I still have some pi$$ and vinegar left. We have brave young men fighting for their country, but are they really fighting for our freedom, or someone else's country?

If we focus on border strength, get rid of 60-75% of the radical environmentalist laws that were designed to make the AlGores of this world rich, And yes grow food in this country that we can eat, instead of putting it in our gas tanks.

Being a "citizen of the world" is the stupidest crap ever spoken by an "American". The UN and NATO produce nothing. They are PC police, as well as financial, and political parasites.

[rueben]

And you think we aren't imploding now? That's what makes the timing now the best time of all.

We have either reached a turning point, or a point of no return. Which will it be? Will it be painless? Of course not. But men in this country need to grow a pair again, and the women need to support their men that do.

I don't have all the answers. That is the point of this section. Our country started with but a few brave people. Can it be done without violence? I don't honestly know.

What I do know is that my life is getting shorter, and I still have some pi$$ and vinegar left. We have brave young men fighting for their country, but are they really fighting for our freedom, or someone else's country?

If we focus on border strength, get rid of 60-75% of the radical environmentalist laws that were designed to make the AlGores of this world rich, And yes grow food in this country that we can eat, instead of putting it in our gas tanks.

Being a "citizen of the world" is the stupidest crap ever spoken by an "American". The UN and NATO produce nothing. They are PC police, as well as financial, and political parasites.

Okay. So that's the vision - men 'growing a pair', 'women supporting them', strengthening our borders, getting rid of the radical environmentalists laws. Withdrawing the U.S. from the UN, NATO and the World Trade Organization.

How do you purpose going about this? Acts of civil disobedience? Domestic terrorism (think the OK City Federal Building bombing)? Moving to Idaho and building a bomb shelter? Overthrowing the government? Do you think that the Constitution Party has the financial backing to actually place their candidates in high profile public offices where they can affect real change? The two party system has been in place for a long time. Good luck getting their lobbyists to come over to your side and contribute to your cause.

I'm just curious what your plan of attack is.

I certainly hear what you're saying, man. And it isn't my aim to disrupt your good intentions.

[Mr. McNutterbean]

I am curious about how creating another donation dependent, corruptable political party is going to hasten a revolution. Don't get me wrong, I agree that our political system has been degraded into basically a secret society of good old boys who care nothing about the people or the constitution they have sworn to protect and simply wonder where the next donation is coming from, but I honestly don't think the people will ever be able to take back our country in a violence free civil manner. One of the truest statements I've ever heard is from the movie "V For Vendetta" - "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

Seriously, we are going to be voting for the single most powerful person on the planet in 34 days - AND THE BEST OPTIONS WE COULD COME UP WITH ARE THESE TWO CLOWNS? I'm sorry, but I don't care that John McCain is a war veteran. I'm a war veteran and guess what - I'm not qualified to be president. I also don't care that Barack Obama is "change incarnate" or that he speaks really well. I can have a great conversation too, but I'm not qualified to be president. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't had a good presidential candidate in 18 years. The best leaders are the people who are modest, humble and reluctant. I believe we need to come together as a nation and find that reluctant leader, who should be someone with a great military and fiscal mind, and no desire to rule over the people. This is what The United States of America was founded with and why our first president was chosen. The people wanted George Washington as their new king, but he would not let his country become what he fought so hard against so he said he would preside over the affairs for no longer than 4 years, after which their would be a vote "by the people".

[Vol]

For myself, I beleive our constitution is the most beautiful ideal of self government ever conceived by man. It is true we have drifted far from its ideals, and I will be the first to object.

But, right now, I worry more about our great nation surviving in this financial crisis, than I do about the purity of the ideals, we are governed by. America must survive, for those ideals to survive. The American economy must survive for America to survive.

This financial crisis is serious stuff!!! It could get ugly fast!!! I am not talking belt tightening or losing some money, I am talking collaspe of the economy!!! 1929 could be a walk in the park compaired to, if it collaspes now.

I don't like Bush. I hate that the future of our nation is in his hands and needs real guidance from him. But, I sincerely pray he can hold it together in these changing times. I hope we can at least tred water till the election and we have a new administration, which ever is elected.

[Woodbutcher]

Okay. So that's the vision - men 'growing a pair', 'women supporting them', strengthening our borders, getting rid of the radical environmentalists laws. Withdrawing the U.S. from the UN, NATO and the World Trade Organization.

How do you purpose going about this? Acts of civil disobedience? Domestic terrorism (think the OK City Federal Building bombing)? Moving to Idaho and building a bomb shelter? Overthrowing the government? Do you think that the Constitution Party has the financial backing to actually place their candidates in high profile public offices where they can affect real change? The two party system has been in place for a long time. Good luck getting their lobbyists to come over to your side and contribute to your cause.

I'm just curious what your plan of attack is.

I certainly hear what you're saying, man. And it isn't my aim to disrupt your good intentions.


Excellent point! Personally I think it would have to start on the back of the Republican Party (i.e., the least Socialist party with some degree of existing clout). It would start with a grassroots effort to expand the Constitution Party to where some would start getting elected to local office, maybe state office in some of the more conservative states. This could begin to re-introduce the concept of the Constitution as Founders intended and pressure the Republican Party to change (gradually). It doesn't have to be a complete takeover immediately, and it couldn't work that way. Take a page from the left - expand influence gradually into education, entertainment, etc., and gradually make it the dominant conversation. The left has taken us to the brink of outright Socialism by this long incremental strategy - to change the language, the meaning of words and ideas, and the perception of both the believers and their opponents. They have done very well with this - their strategy has worked, so well that those of us who still believe the Constitution was brilliant as it was conceived are now beginning to discuss revolution, just as the left did about a hundred years ago. Look at the difference between the Democratic Party during the JFK years and how far to the left it is today. The change took about 50 years. I don't think it has to take a hundred years or even fifty, with communication as fast as it is now, but a new revolution won't be an overnight RV either.
Whether it can be bloodless or not - I don't know. I have my doubts - the left (and a few on the right too) is so over-the-top hateful these days, I think there will probably be some real serious bad things happen. I sure hope it doesn't come to that.

And Howler - my personal belief is that while this country has deep roots in religion, this isn't about "injecting even more religion". Religions have principles, and our Constitution was based on those principles more than the actual religion (which denomination would we be talking about here, anyway?). The Founders didn't enshrine Christianity as a state religion, but they were certainly guided by its principles, even if they were not religious themselves. It's good to be good to your neighbor, and not mess with his or her spouse. It's good not to steal or cheat or lie. It's good to believe in something higher than your narcissistic l'il 'ol self. Don't commit murder. I've never heard an adequate explanation from someone who was anti-faith why exactly we shouldn't live by those principles and why they shouldn't be a template for a Constitution, regardless of whether they were part of the Bible or any other book of faith. The Founders were not Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist, so whaddya expect -they were going to base a Constitution on a cookbook? They were part of a Judeo-Christian culture - even the non-believers. They were familiar with and raised with and informed by and guided by the principles of that culture, and they enshrined the best of those principles in a Constitution. They gave no special rights to Christians over anyone else, but they also didn't ignore the fact that Christian principles were their foundation, and they spoke of their faith as openly and as freely as atheists and radical environmentalists speak of their religions today. Obviously, they didn't think you had to shut up about your faith just because somebody else doesn't agree with you.

[lurking]

There should be no political parties at all, everyone for themselves. The party system is part of the problem. The idea that these people spend 100s of millions of dollars to get jobs that pay a few hundred thousand is rediculous. This money doesn't come free they use their power to do favors, get contracts for companies, tax cuts, etc. 99% of politicians are greedy and could care less about everyone else. The 1% that aren't just get trampled by the others.

[KnightsCharger]

We now have a new area we can go to brainstorm, argue, or whatever is needed to start a new American Revolution.

Be aware that this still in the political forum, and carries the same warnings as any other political forum here at the IIF.

The time has come to not just speak up, but to give plans of action that we can all be willing to do.

My personal challenge is for all who visit this part of the forum, to DO something about the state of the United States, and not just whine about it.

My first challenge is fo all to visit the Constitution Party website. My special thanks to Creationworks for getting me started a couple of months. www.constitutionparty.com (http://www.constitutionparty.com)

If you have a better idea, this is the place to let us know.

Thanks for the thread DNM, But as I read, it is difficult to point to a plan of action as so many good citizens are just frustrated with the current political condition of our great nation. And the conversation allways reverts back to what seperates us and not to solutions that brings us together. The few posts up to mine are proof enough of that.

The assault on our Constitution didn't happen over night, and the return to it's principals will be long and painfull. But you did ask for "A PLAN" seperate from party affiliation including the "constitution party".

The bloated Federal Goverment is the result of 1 ammenendment to the Constitution, thats is Art. XVI. The power and scope of government at the federal level starts and ends with the power to "take from" or "give back" from income earned by the sweat and toil of it's citizens. That article was the beginning of class politics, politics that divide not unite. That simple truth needs to be revealed to all citizens that are concerned about the direction of our "Republic".

A force at the grass roots level is what is needed, adding more reteoric to the argument simply conceals the goals of athird party no matter how lofty the ideals.

The process is a minimum of 7 years, it is vitally important that the process begin at the local level. I have vowed that I will ask directly my local politicians views on abolishing the XVIth, as they can caucus, and begin the process of abolishment within my state legislature to get on board. I won't be swayed with the current tax system is "UNFAIR" in my opinion it is unconstituional. Except for the fact it is currently in the Constitution.

I say screw the 3 branches of Government, as none are willing to return to act in this regard even if they could. I say it is time to jerk the rug out from under them and begin to send "STATESMEN" to Washington, and leave the politicians at the door. If you want states rights back, Repealing Art. XVI is the path to get there!

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Excellent point! Personally I think it would have to start on the back of the Republican Party (i.e., the least Socialist party with some degree of existing clout). It would start with a grassroots effort to expand the Constitution Party to where some would start getting elected to local office, maybe state office in some of the more conservative states. This could begin to re-introduce the concept of the Constitution as Founders intended and pressure the Republican Party to change (gradually). It doesn't have to be a complete takeover immediately, and it couldn't work that way. Take a page from the left - expand influence gradually into education, entertainment, etc., and gradually make it the dominant conversation. The left has taken us to the brink of outright Socialism by this long incremental strategy - to change the language, the meaning of words and ideas, and the perception of both the believers and their opponents. They have done very well with this - their strategy has worked, so well that those of us who still believe the Constitution was brilliant as it was conceived are now beginning to discuss revolution, just as the left did about a hundred years ago. Look at the difference between the Democratic Party during the JFK years and how far to the left it is today. The change took about 50 years. I don't think it has to take a hundred years or even fifty, with communication as fast as it is now, but a new revolution won't be an overnight RV either.
Whether it can be bloodless or not - I don't know. I have my doubts - the left (and a few on the right too) is so over-the-top hateful these days, I think there will probably be some real serious bad things happen. I sure hope it doesn't come to that.

And Howler - my personal belief is that while this country has deep roots in religion, this isn't about "injecting even more religion". Religions have principles, and our Constitution was based on those principles more than the actual religion (which denomination would we be talking about here, anyway?). The Founders didn't enshrine Christianity as a state religion, but they were certainly guided by its principles, even if they were not religious themselves. It's good to be good to your neighbor, and not mess with his or her spouse. It's good not to steal or cheat or lie. It's good to believe in something higher than your narcissistic l'il 'ol self. Don't commit murder. I've never heard an adequate explanation from someone who was anti-faith why exactly we shouldn't live by those principles and why they shouldn't be a template for a Constitution, regardless of whether they were part of the Bible or any other book of faith. The Founders were not Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist, so whaddya expect -they were going to base a Constitution on a cookbook? They were part of a Judeo-Christian culture - even the non-believers. They were familiar with and raised with and informed by and guided by the principles of that culture, and they enshrined the best of those principles in a Constitution. They gave no special rights to Christians over anyone else, but they also didn't ignore the fact that Christian principles were their foundation, and they spoke of their faith as openly and as freely as atheists and radical environmentalists speak of their religions today. Obviously, they didn't think you had to shut up about your faith just because somebody else doesn't agree with you.

You hit the nail on the head. The Constitution Party is a great way to start to get the conservative part of the Republican party to get back to basics.

This is exactly what I am saying.

1) Start at the local level
2) Donate your time and efforts (My local candidate for the Senate won't take money...he will however take time, and effort for the Constitutional cause.
3) I said it would take probably a generation, possibly more. Possibly less with the information pipeline as fast as it is. What do you want to leave your kids and grandkids with for a country?
4) Does anyone here on this thread really think no one suffered when the United States seperated from England?

The fact that we are where we are in this country is evident that too many people are far too lazy to do anything. THIS IS AMERICA. This is the only country that this can be done with, given what freedoms we still have.

We wouldn't have this country now if we hadn't had people make personal and financial sacrafices. Why must we ony concern ourselves with our pocketbooks?

PRIORITIES! Freedom came to this country first. Then came financial wealth. The financial wealth is bleeding away already because we have our PRIORITIES backwards.

Originally Posted by rueben http://www.investorsiraq.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?p=730049#post730049)
Okay. So that's the vision - men 'growing a pair', 'women supporting them', strengthening our borders, getting rid of the radical environmentalists laws. Withdrawing the U.S. from the UN, NATO and the World Trade Organization.


Yes, this is a start. By growing a pair, I mean that we need principles to guide us, unwaveringly, with one common goal. This system is broke. NATO, the UN, and the WTO have not got the US's interest in mind, and give us nothing in return. All we are to them is a cash cow that can never give enough of it's people's hard earned dollars.

No, we don't need to do things the the Oklahoma City bombing.

We start just as the leftwing has done in hijacking this country. Start local. Work for regaining freedom. Stop the lip service, and work.

HOWLER- A Christian mindset is not as bad as many may think. It IS what got this country through the first 190 years of this country's existance. And the last 42 without it, has been slide we are reaping now.

[VonWeeden]

Well, in the "spirit" of revolution, or at the very least, revolutionary change, I would like to see the country's legal stance on marijuana change. I understand some people think that it generates revenues from the fines, etc., but in reality, it is costing us about $7 billion a year, not including misdemeanor cases...

At the same time, marijuana is the top US cash crop, exceeding a value of $35 billion.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003482836_marijuana18.html

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/MironReport.pdf

Maybe generating a bill that can be introduced into every participating member's district for vote...

[FreeMyDinar]

You hit the nail on the head. The Constitution Party is a great way to start to get the conservative part of the Republican party to get back to basics.

This is exactly what I am saying.

1) Start at the local level
2) Donate your time and efforts (My local candidate for the Senate won't take money...he will however take time, and effort for the Constitutional cause.
3) I said it would take probably a generation, possibly more. Possibly less with the information pipeline as fast as it is. What do you want to leave your kids and grandkids with for a country?
4) Does anyone here on this thread really think no one suffered when the United States seperated from England?

The fact that we are where we are in this country is evident that too many people are far too lazy to do anything. THIS IS AMERICA. This is the only country that this can be done with, given what freedoms we still have.

We wouldn't have this country now if we hadn't had people make personal and financial sacrafices. Why must we ony concern ourselves with our pocketbooks?

PRIORITIES! Freedom came to this country first. Then came financial wealth. The financial wealth is bleeding away already because we have our PRIORITIES backwards.

Originally Posted by rueben http://www.investorsiraq.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?p=730049#post730049)
Okay. So that's the vision - men 'growing a pair', 'women supporting them', strengthening our borders, getting rid of the radical environmentalists laws. Withdrawing the U.S. from the UN, NATO and the World Trade Organization.


Yes, this is a start. By growing a pair, I mean that we need principles to guide us, unwaveringly, with one common goal. This system is broke. NATO, the UN, and the WTO have not got the US's interest in mind, and give us nothing in return. All we are to them is a cash cow that can never give enough of it's people's hard earned dollars.

No, we don't need to do things the the Oklahoma City bombing.

We start just as the leftwing has done in hijacking this country. Start local. Work for regaining freedom. Stop the lip service, and work.

HOWLER- A Christian mindset is not as bad as many may think. It IS what got this country through the first 190 years of this country's existance. And the last 42 without it, has been slide we are reaping now.

Well said!! Would just like to add that we still have true Patriots that are fighting in DC and they went against tremendous pressure yesterday to resist this bailout/rescue of corrupt people and policies that have permeated our laws and financial system in recent years. I think they would be the first to switch parties if we can effectively launch a viable 3rd party.

I may still have to vote for the lesser of two evils this election, but I would be willing to roll up my sleeves post-election and join a party that stands up for a simpler, more concise set of basic guiding principles - sovereignty, constitutional adherence and respect of freedom. I sense the momentum for achieving this goal is finally with us and just for once I would like to vote for a party that is a force for good and not the lesser of two evils.

[VonWeeden]

Well said!! Would just like to add that we still have true Patriots that are fighting in DC and they went against tremendous pressure yesterday to resist this bailout/rescue of corrupt people and policies that have permeated our laws and financial system in recent years. I think they would be the first to switch parties if we can effectively launch a viable 3rd party.

I may still have to vote for the lesser of two evils this election, but I would be willing to roll up my sleeves post-election and join a party that stands up for a simpler, more concise set of basic guiding principles - sovereignty, constitutional adherence and respect of freedom. I sense the momentum for achieving this goal is finally with us and just for once I would like to vote for a party that is a force for good and not the lesser of two evils.

Nice to see you around, Jram says hi!!

[geowhiz]

Well, in the "spirit" of revolution, or at the very least, revolutionary change, I would like to see the country's legal stance on marijuana change. I understand some people think that it generates revenues from the fines, etc., but in reality, it is costing us about $7 billion a year, not including misdemeanor cases...

At the same time, marijuana is the top US cash crop, exceeding a value of $35 billion.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003482836_marijuana18.html

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/MironReport.pdf

Maybe generating a bill that can be introduced into every participating member's district for vote...

Amen brother! And how about throwing in some of that "freedom to do as you please behind closed doors", in particular taking Marijuana off the Federal Schedule I statutes. Gimme a break, some of the greatest minds out there like to puff on a fatty once in awhile. :rock:

[urbanwhitebear]

Amen brother! And how about throwing in some of that "freedom to do as you please behind closed doors", in particular taking Marijuana off the Federal Schedule I statutes. Gimme a break, some of the greatest minds out there like to puff on a fatty once in awhile. :rock:


Aint that the truth!!!!!!

[VonWeeden]

Amen brother! And how about throwing in some of that "freedom to do as you please behind closed doors", in particular taking Marijuana off the Federal Schedule I statutes. Gimme a break, some of the greatest minds out there like to puff on a fatty once in awhile. :rock:

I believe that the recent problem with legislation is that states have chosen individually to put it on the ballot rather than attack the federal statute collectively...

It's about "we the people" and if the bill gets introduced into every state's election simultaneously, the same bill, then we make a collective message...

12 states have thusfar decriminalized some form of marijuana possession....

We need to put people into the house and senate that will vote the will of the people, not the interests of government.

[creationworks]

We now have a new area we can go to brainstorm, argue, or whatever is needed to start a new American Revolution.

Be aware that this still in the political forum, and carries the same warnings as any other political forum here at the IIF.

The time has come to not just speak up, but to give plans of action that we can all be willing to do.

My personal challenge is for all who visit this part of the forum, to DO something about the state of the United States, and not just whine about it.

My first challenge is fo all to visit the Constitution Party website. My special thanks to Creationworks for getting me started a couple of months. www.constitutionparty.com (http://www.constitutionparty.com)

If you have a better idea, this is the place to let us know.


Thanks Daddy NM, It is my sincerest intention that we should as citizens of this great country revisit its rightful roots and hold all laws, regulations and treaties, in addition to the actions of our government employees and elected officials to the bench mark standard of the Constitution of the United States. Our country can and must be the political, economic, and moral leader of the world. The world will be a much more dangerous place without this great country in its best form.

I commend your efforts at opening this forum to constructive discussion on this important subject. :yes:

[creationworks]

I believe that the recent problem with legislation is that states have chosen individually to put it on the ballot rather than attack the federal statute collectively...

It's about "we the people" and if the bill gets introduced into every state's election simultaneously, the same bill, then we make a collective message...

12 states have thusfar decriminalized some form of marijuana possession....

We need to put people into the house and senate that will vote the will of the people, not the interests of government.

Amen brother!!!

[TrueBlue]

Thanks Daddy NM, It is my sincerest intention that we should as citizens of this great country revisit its rightful roots and hold all laws, regulations and treaties, in addition to the actions of our government employees and elected officials to the bench mark standard of the Constitution of the United States. Our country can and must be the political, economic, and moral leader of the world. The world will be a much more dangerous place without this great country in its best form.

I commend your efforts at opening this forum to constructive discussion on this important subject. :yes:

While I agree, it is not just the elected officials that need replacing. As has been discussed in this forum a couple of times, Nanci Pelosi and Barack Obama have violated the Logan Act. I challenge anyone to call the Department of Justice, something I have done, and ask them who has the authority to enforce the Logan Act. (A hint: it is the Justice Department) The answer you will get is dumbfounding. The very branch of our government that is supposed enforce our laws will go out of their way to keep Joe Citizen paying into the system, but they will look the other way to acts of treason. I guarantee if I went on my own accord and did either of the things that Nancy and Barry did, I would be locked up before I got out of the plane on the return trip.

I am so glad my tax dollars that they took from me are being used to allow treason, and millions of illegals to have better benefits and assistance than our own Vets.

Words are not going to cut it this time; the so called "silent majority" needs to get out and be heard the same as those idiots with homemade signs about God Bless Dead Soldiers. I agree with the statement that the repeal of the Constitutional ammendent is a good place to start...

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Well said!! Would just like to add that we still have true Patriots that are fighting in DC and they went against tremendous pressure yesterday to resist this bailout/rescue of corrupt people and policies that have permeated our laws and financial system in recent years. I think they would be the first to switch parties if we can effectively launch a viable 3rd party.

I may still have to vote for the lesser of two evils this election, but I would be willing to roll up my sleeves post-election and join a party that stands up for a simpler, more concise set of basic guiding principles - sovereignty, constitutional adherence and respect of freedom. I sense the momentum for achieving this goal is finally with us and just for once I would like to vote for a party that is a force for good and not the lesser of two evils.

Again, this is my whole thought process and point. Today, we have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

If we get off our collective lazy butts and start by electing responsible Constitutionally sound representatives, we may in our lifetimes again be able to be proud to vote for someone, without our finger and thumb on our nose.

This site but one where people can get re-educated (or with recent high school grads educated) on what our Constitution actually says, allows, or not allows.

Start today, start now. We don't have to have a 2 party system with 2 broken parties. We may very well be able to attract the conservative republicans to another party, or at the very least re-bolster them by letting them know we a coming back to a government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people.

They serve US, not the other way around.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

While I agree, it is not just the elected officials that need replacing. As has been discussed in this forum a couple of times, Nanci Pelosi and Barack Obama have violated the Logan Act. I challenge anyone to call the Department of Justice, something I have done, and ask them who has the authority to enforce the Logan Act. (A hint: it is the Justice Department) The answer you will get is dumbfounding. The very branch of our government that is supposed enforce our laws will go out of their way to keep Joe Citizen paying into the system, but they will look the other way to acts of treason. I guarantee if I went on my own accord and did either of the things that Nancy and Barry did, I would be locked up before I got out of the plane on the return trip.

I am so glad my tax dollars that they took from me are being used to allow treason, and millions of illegals to have better benefits and assistance than our own Vets.

Words are not going to cut it this time; the so called "silent majority" needs to get out and be heard the same as those idiots with homemade signs about God Bless Dead Soldiers. I agree with the statement that the repeal of the Constitutional ammendent is a good place to start...

Great post.

Your assignment, should you accept, will be to head up a group to find out how we can pressure the Justice Department into doing that job.

You must have had good parents that started you with good education!!!!!:rock:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

The two party system has been in place for a long time. Good luck getting their lobbyists to come over to your side and contribute to your cause.

I'm just curious what your plan of attack is.

I certainly hear what you're saying, man. And it isn't my aim to disrupt your good intentions.

Watch this video from a post (courtesy of Pittsoli) on another thread.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=97045

This should give you more than enough reason to LOOK FOR WAYS to accomplish, not doubt. Until you get pi$$ed enough, you and all of you family to come will be silently raped and pillaged.

[TrueBlue]

You must have had good parents that started you with good education!!!!!:rock:

That is entirely possible... :surprised:

[Artemus]

I took a look at the Texas Chapter, pretty damned impressive!

Muchos Grassyarse! LOL

[Artemus]

Watch this video from a post (courtesy of Pittsoli) on another thread.

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=97045

This should give you more than enough reason to LOOK FOR WAYS to accomplish, not doubt. Until you get pi$ enough, you and all of you family to come will be silently raped and pillaged.

Super good Vid! Thanks to Pittsoli I now have a copy! :clapping:

[bigdaddyron]

DADDY,

How did all this happen. I started coming to this site because a friend told me of an investment of untold riches were to be found. I thought those riches were to be a monetary gain. I had no idea those riches would be of knowledge. My father, a great and wonderful man, and I were discussing this exact thing today and how hopeless everything has become. I now have hope. Thank you for beginning some of this great and mighty undertaking we have laid before us. Thank you for this knowledge, which is power, more valuable than any financial riches I may or may not acquire from my meager investment.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

DADDY,

How did all this happen. I started coming to this site because a friend told me of an investment of untold riches were to be found. I thought those riches were to be a monetary gain. I had no idea those riches would be of knowledge. My father, a great and wonderful man, and I were discussing this exact thing today and how hopeless everything has become. I now have hope. Thank you for beginning some of this great and mighty undertaking we have laid before us. Thank you for this knowledge, which is power, more valuable than any financial riches I may or may not acquire from my meager investment.

If you truly believe this, then join us!
The internet is going to be the most effective way to stir the pot (unless the current 2 parties try to take it away.

PM me if you are interested. We are close to a launch!

TO ALL; This site is over 20,000 strong. Look at the impact we can make if only half will devote 1 hour a day at this! That is 10,000 MAN HOURS per day to fight what these theives in DC are doing to us, our kids, and our grandkids.

[geowhiz]

A big BUMP for all of those who are sick of two-party corruption, greed, and scandal.


Whoever wins in November. You will still lose!!!

[Wolverine]

A big BUMP for all of those who are sick of two-party corruption, greed, and scandal.


Whoever wins in November. You will still lose!!!

Agreed, but only one potential winning team has a proven track record that promises to help you lose gun rights along with just losing in general !!!

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Agreed, but only one potential winning team has a proven track record that promises to help you lose gun rights along with just losing in general !!!

You are right Wolverine.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't we be hoping and praying for the best, while preparing for the worst case?

We have to stop being reactive to these criminals who seek to undermine the Constitution of the United States.

GET PROACTIVE and work for a new goal.....to oust both of these parties as they currently exist, and replace them with a party (or two) that believe we need to PROTECT our Constitution, and that that document, and the Bill of Rights actually mean what was written on them.

[geowhiz]

Agreed, but only one potential winning team has a proven track record that promises to help you lose gun rights along with just losing in general !!!


Let them come over and try to take them. (And this is only about half of it).



6025


My "baby" is the third one down.. :inlove:


And for you FBI or ATF "browsers" on this forum, the one on the bottom is always locked and loaded, with three more full mags an armsreach away.

[VonWeeden]

Financial stress sparks a rise in depression, violence

Shelters are full, hot lines are busy, and deaths add up

By KELLI KENNEDY Associated Press

Oct. 14, 2008, 8:20AM


An out-of-work money manager in California loses a fortune and wipes out his family in a murder-suicide. A 90-year-old Ohio widow shoots herself in the chest as authorities arrive to evict her from the modest house she called home for 38 years.
In Massachusetts, a housewife who had hidden her family's mounting financial crisis from her husband sends a note to the mortgage company warning: "By the time you foreclose on my house, I'll be dead."
Then Carlene Balderrama shot herself to death, leaving an insurance policy and a suicide note on a table.
Across the country, authorities are becoming concerned that the nation's financial woes could turn increasingly violent, and they are urging people to get help. In some places, mental-health hot lines are jammed, counseling services are in high demand and domestic-violence shelters are full.
"I've had a number of people say that this is the thing most reminiscent of 9/11 that's happened here since then," said the Rev. Canon Ann Malonee, vicar at Trinity Church in the heart of New York's financial district. "It's that sense of having the rug pulled out from under them."
With nowhere else to turn, many people are calling suicide-prevention hot lines. The Samaritans of New York have seen calls rise more than 16 percent in the past year, many of them money-related. The Switchboard of Miami has recorded more than 500 foreclosure-related calls this year.
"A lot of people are telling us they are losing everything. They're losing their homes, they're going into foreclosure, they've lost their jobs," said Virginia Cervasio, executive director of a suicide resource enter in southwest Florida's Lee County.
But tragedies keep mounting:
— In Los Angeles last week, a former money manager fatally shot his wife, three sons and his mother-in-law before killing himself.
Karthik Rajaram, 45, left a suicide note saying he was in financial trouble and contemplated killing just himself. But he said he decided to kill his entire family because that was more honorable, police said.
Rajaram once worked for a major accounting firm and for Sony Pictures, and he had been part-owner of a financial holding company. But he had been out of work for several months, police said.
After the murder-suicide, police and mental-health officials in Los Angeles took the unusual step of urging people to seek help for themselves or loved ones if they feel overwhelmed by grim financial news. They said they were specifically afraid of the "copycat phenomenon."
"This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair," Deputy Police Chief Michel Moore said. "It is critical to step up and recognize we are in some pretty troubled times."
— In Tennessee, a woman fatally shot herself last week as sheriff's deputies went to evict her from her foreclosed home.
Pamela Ross, 57, and her husband were fighting foreclosure on their home when sheriff's deputies in Sevierville came to serve an eviction notice. They were across the street when they heard a gunshot and found Ross dead from a wound to the chest. The case was even more tragic because the couple had recently been granted an extra 10 days to appeal.
— In Akron, Ohio, the 90-year-old widow who shot herself on Oct. 1 is recovering. A congressman told Addie Polk's story on the House floor before lawmakers voted to approve a $700 billion financial rescue package. Mortgage finance company Fannie Mae dropped the foreclosure, forgave her mortgage and said she could remain in the home.
— In Ocala, Fla., Roland Gore shot his wife and dog in March and then set fire to the couple's home, which had been in foreclosure, before killing himself. His case was one of several in which people killed spouses or pets, destroyed property or attacked police before taking their own lives.
"The financial stress builds up to the point the person feels they can't go on, and the person believes their family is better off dead than left without a financial support," said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Washington D.C.-based Violence Policy Center.
Dr. Edward Charlesworth, a clinical psychologist in Houston, said the current crisis is breeding a sense of chronic anxiety among people who feel helpless and panic-stricken, as well as angry that their government has let them down.
"They feel like in this great society that we live in we should have more protection for the individuals rather than just the corporation," he said.
It's not yet clear there is a statistical link between suicides and the financial downturn since there is generally a two-year lag in national suicide figures. But historically, suicides increase in times of economic hardship. And the current financial crisis is already being called the worst since the Great Depression.
Rising mortgage defaults and falling home values are at the heart of it. More than 4 million Americans were at least one month behind on their mortgages at the end of June, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association.
A record 500,000 had entered the foreclosure process. And that trend is expected to continue through next year, despite the current programs from the government and the lending industry to refinance delinquent homeowners into more affordable loans.
Counselors at Catholic Charities USA report seeing a "significant increase" in the need for housing counseling.
One counselor said half of her clients were on some form of antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication. The agency has seen a decrease in overall funding, but it has expanded foreclosure counseling and received nearly $2 million for such services in late 2007.
Adding to financially tense households is an air of secrecy. Experts said it's common for one spouse to blame the other for their financial mess or to hide it entirely, as Balderrama did.
After falling 3 1/2 years behind in payments, the Taunton, Mass., housewife had been intercepting letters from the mortgage company and shredding them before her husband saw them. She tried to refinance but was declined.
In July, on the day the house was to be auctioned, she faxed the note to the mortgage company. Then the 52-year-old walked outside, shot her three beloved cats and then herself with her husband's rifle.
Notes left on the table revealed months of planning. She'd picked out her funeral home, laid out the insurance policy and left a note saying, "pay off the house with the insurance money."
"She put in her suicide note that it got overwhelming for her," said her husband, John Balderrama. "Apparently she didn't have anyone to talk to. She didn't come to me. I don't know why. There's gotta be some help out there for people that are hurting, (something better) than to see somebody lose a life over a stupid house."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6056524.html

[geowhiz]

Financial stress sparks a rise in depression, violence

Shelters are full, hot lines are busy, and deaths add up

By KELLI KENNEDY Associated Press

Oct. 14, 2008, 8:20AM


An out-of-work money manager in California loses a fortune and wipes out his family in a murder-suicide. A 90-year-old Ohio widow shoots herself in the chest as authorities arrive to evict her from the modest house she called home for 38 years.
In Massachusetts, a housewife who had hidden her family's mounting financial crisis from her husband sends a note to the mortgage company warning: "By the time you foreclose on my house, I'll be dead."
Then Carlene Balderrama shot herself to death, leaving an insurance policy and a suicide note on a table.
Across the country, authorities are becoming concerned that the nation's financial woes could turn increasingly violent, and they are urging people to get help. In some places, mental-health hot lines are jammed, counseling services are in high demand and domestic-violence shelters are full.
"I've had a number of people say that this is the thing most reminiscent of 9/11 that's happened here since then," said the Rev. Canon Ann Malonee, vicar at Trinity Church in the heart of New York's financial district. "It's that sense of having the rug pulled out from under them."
With nowhere else to turn, many people are calling suicide-prevention hot lines. The Samaritans of New York have seen calls rise more than 16 percent in the past year, many of them money-related. The Switchboard of Miami has recorded more than 500 foreclosure-related calls this year.
"A lot of people are telling us they are losing everything. They're losing their homes, they're going into foreclosure, they've lost their jobs," said Virginia Cervasio, executive director of a suicide resource enter in southwest Florida's Lee County.
But tragedies keep mounting:
— In Los Angeles last week, a former money manager fatally shot his wife, three sons and his mother-in-law before killing himself.
Karthik Rajaram, 45, left a suicide note saying he was in financial trouble and contemplated killing just himself. But he said he decided to kill his entire family because that was more honorable, police said.
Rajaram once worked for a major accounting firm and for Sony Pictures, and he had been part-owner of a financial holding company. But he had been out of work for several months, police said.
After the murder-suicide, police and mental-health officials in Los Angeles took the unusual step of urging people to seek help for themselves or loved ones if they feel overwhelmed by grim financial news. They said they were specifically afraid of the "copycat phenomenon."
"This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair," Deputy Police Chief Michel Moore said. "It is critical to step up and recognize we are in some pretty troubled times."
— In Tennessee, a woman fatally shot herself last week as sheriff's deputies went to evict her from her foreclosed home.
Pamela Ross, 57, and her husband were fighting foreclosure on their home when sheriff's deputies in Sevierville came to serve an eviction notice. They were across the street when they heard a gunshot and found Ross dead from a wound to the chest. The case was even more tragic because the couple had recently been granted an extra 10 days to appeal.
— In Akron, Ohio, the 90-year-old widow who shot herself on Oct. 1 is recovering. A congressman told Addie Polk's story on the House floor before lawmakers voted to approve a $700 billion financial rescue package. Mortgage finance company Fannie Mae dropped the foreclosure, forgave her mortgage and said she could remain in the home.
— In Ocala, Fla., Roland Gore shot his wife and dog in March and then set fire to the couple's home, which had been in foreclosure, before killing himself. His case was one of several in which people killed spouses or pets, destroyed property or attacked police before taking their own lives.
"The financial stress builds up to the point the person feels they can't go on, and the person believes their family is better off dead than left without a financial support," said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Washington D.C.-based Violence Policy Center.
Dr. Edward Charlesworth, a clinical psychologist in Houston, said the current crisis is breeding a sense of chronic anxiety among people who feel helpless and panic-stricken, as well as angry that their government has let them down.
"They feel like in this great society that we live in we should have more protection for the individuals rather than just the corporation," he said.
It's not yet clear there is a statistical link between suicides and the financial downturn since there is generally a two-year lag in national suicide figures. But historically, suicides increase in times of economic hardship. And the current financial crisis is already being called the worst since the Great Depression.
Rising mortgage defaults and falling home values are at the heart of it. More than 4 million Americans were at least one month behind on their mortgages at the end of June, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association.
A record 500,000 had entered the foreclosure process. And that trend is expected to continue through next year, despite the current programs from the government and the lending industry to refinance delinquent homeowners into more affordable loans.
Counselors at Catholic Charities USA report seeing a "significant increase" in the need for housing counseling.
One counselor said half of her clients were on some form of antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication. The agency has seen a decrease in overall funding, but it has expanded foreclosure counseling and received nearly $2 million for such services in late 2007.
Adding to financially tense households is an air of secrecy. Experts said it's common for one spouse to blame the other for their financial mess or to hide it entirely, as Balderrama did.
After falling 3 1/2 years behind in payments, the Taunton, Mass., housewife had been intercepting letters from the mortgage company and shredding them before her husband saw them. She tried to refinance but was declined.
In July, on the day the house was to be auctioned, she faxed the note to the mortgage company. Then the 52-year-old walked outside, shot her three beloved cats and then herself with her husband's rifle.
Notes left on the table revealed months of planning. She'd picked out her funeral home, laid out the insurance policy and left a note saying, "pay off the house with the insurance money."
"She put in her suicide note that it got overwhelming for her," said her husband, John Balderrama. "Apparently she didn't have anyone to talk to. She didn't come to me. I don't know why. There's gotta be some help out there for people that are hurting, (something better) than to see somebody lose a life over a stupid house."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6056524.html


As Jim said so poignantly .... "get my kicks before the whole s--thouse goes up in flames".

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Let them come over and try to take them. (And this is only about half of it).



6025


My "baby" is the third one down.. :inlove:


And for you FBI or ATF "browsers" on this forum, the one on the bottom is always locked and loaded, with three more full mags an armsreach away.


Can I come over to your house to play?:evilgrin:

[geowhiz]

Can I come over to your house to play?:evilgrin:


Anytime my friend. Anytime.... We'll shoot a couple hundred rounds off, then Ill take you to downtown Boulder and we can sing along with the Hari Krishnas and visit the local headshop!

(Ever seen a 2,000 dollar hand-blown glass bong encrusted with jewels? Amazing...)

[GypsyRose]

Anytime my friend. Anytime.... We'll shoot a couple hundred rounds off, then Ill take you to downtown Boulder and we can sing along with the Hari Krishnas and visit the local headshop!

(Ever seen a 2,000 dollar hand-blown glass bong encrusted with jewels? Amazing...)

Nice arsenal my engima friend LOL you surprise me around every corner. A bong with jewels - bet it makes that ditch weed go down a lot smoother...:sun:

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Anytime my friend. Anytime.... We'll shoot a couple hundred rounds off, then Ill take you to downtown Boulder and we can sing along with the Hari Krishnas and visit the local headshop!

(Ever seen a 2,000 dollar hand-blown glass bong encrusted with jewels? Amazing...)

Are we taking the guns with us?????:yelrotflmao::yelrotflmao:

[geowhiz]

Nice arsenal my engima friend LOL you surprise me around every corner. A bong with jewels - bet it makes that ditch weed go down a lot smoother...:sun:


Wouldnt know. I havent smoked anything brown since college. Strictly Hawaiian flown in jet-frest from a Denver Broncos contact I know every Pro-Bowl.

(Unfortunately I only partake about 3-4 times a year thanks to my company's stupid random piss test contract. Which by the way is completely unconstitutional IMO).

[Daddy Needs Mils]

Wouldnt know. I havent smoked anything brown since college. Strictly Hawaiian flown in jet-frest from a Denver Broncos contact I know every Pro-Bowl.

(Unfortunately I only partake about 3-4 times a year thanks to my company's stupid random piss test contract. Which by the way is completely unconstitutional IMO).


I believe the whole "Wealth Redistribution" is too, isn't it?

Speaking of the Broncos, how did they do last week?:muscle:
(Better cover your screen before you throw anything at me):giggle:

[lordrazor1]

This is a nice idea, but until lawyers and judges can be put under wraps over stepping their authority it will never happen. The Constitution is no different than any contract and written as is. The problem lies with the lawyers and judges interpiting it the way they see fit. It's funny that the Constitution was a contract written by numerous people and signed for the people and it can be inturpeted as one sees fit, but wills, contracts, power of attorneys and other legal documents seem to be banned from interpitation once signed by any parties. Think about it and ask yourself what gives lawyers and judges the right to interpit a contract signed by our fore fathers for peoples rights. Getting rid of the two party ideology is a great idea, but you'll still have lawyers and judges interpiting the Constitution the way they want.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

This is a nice idea, but until lawyers and judges can be put under wraps over stepping their authority it will never happen. The Constitution is no different than any contract and written as is. The problem lies with the lawyers and judges interpiting it the way they see fit. It's funny that the Constitution was a contract written by numerous people and signed for the people and it can be inturpeted as one sees fit, but wills, contracts, power of attorneys and other legal documents seem to be banned from interpitation once signed by any parties. Think about it and ask yourself what gives lawyers and judges the right to interpit a contract signed by our fore fathers for peoples rights. Getting rid of the two party ideology is a great idea, but you'll still have lawyers and judges interpiting the Constitution the way they want.

NOT if you start electing Constitutional Party (or even Independent Party) candidates.

Cynisism and complacency of the population is what they continue to bank on for their power to do exactly as you stated.

The more we sit and throw our hands up in the air, the stronger they will continue to get.

Read this!
http://www.investorsiraq.com/showpost.php?p=746914&postcount=1

[GypsyRose]

Wouldnt know. I havent smoked anything brown since college. Strictly Hawaiian flown in jet-frest from a Denver Broncos contact I know every Pro-Bowl.

(Unfortunately I only partake about 3-4 times a year thanks to my company's stupid random piss test contract. Which by the way is completely unconstitutional IMO).

Agree - :wink:

[lordrazor1]

I'm by no means throwing my hands up. Just making a point that the two party system isn't the only problem. Just trying to shed some more light on the problem that needs to be fixed.

[geowhiz]

I'm by no means throwing my hands up. Just making a point that the two party system isn't the only problem. Just trying to shed some more light on the problem that needs to be fixed.


The current problem is that the economy is tanking and there is a major money grab going on. The government wants more of your money, and the ailing financial "institutions" want more of the government's money.

[Daddy Needs Mils]

The current problem is that the economy is tanking and there is a major money grab going on. The government wants more of your money, and the ailing financial "institutions" want more of the government's money.

"It's that giant shucking shound"

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[geowhiz]

I believe the whole "Wealth Redistribution" is too, isn't it?

Speaking of the Broncos, how did they do last week?:muscle:
(Better cover your screen before you throw anything at me):giggle:



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[blue99]

5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers

I see the value of the Constitutional Party, but I do disagree with some of its precepts. The above statement has some concern. I have watched people talk on this forum, and have listened to multiple debates, and have seen the inept Constitutional understanding over and over again in regards to very simple issues such as Presidential Election Law, and it makes me wonder...If these people cannot understand something that leaves nothing for interpretation, how do they expect some of us to believe that they understand the "actual intent of the Founding Fathers?"
WHY DOES THIS CONCERN YOU...YOU CAN NOT INTERPRET THE MEANING DIFFERENTLY FROM THE MEANING IT HAD WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN BECAUSE THEN EVERY IDIOT THAT WORKS FOR GOVERNMENT THAT COMES ALONG SCREWS IT UP FOR THEIR ECONOMIC PROFIT..JUST LIKE SCUMBAG LAWYERS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES...WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS SO DANG COMPLICATED JUST TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY...ALMOST EVERY CONGRESSMAN IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE IS A CROOKED LAWYER...THEY ALL APPROACH LAWS UNDER THE LEGAL SYSTEM....THIS SYSTEM DIDNT EVEN EXIST BEFORE 1950'S....LAW SYSTEM IS GOOD, LEGAL SYSTEM CHANGES EVERY TIME A JUDGE REINTREPRETS A STSTUTE...UNDER THIS IDIOTIC LEGAL SYSTEM, JUSTICE IS A ROULETTE WHEEL...DO YOU REALLY LIKE THIS? I DONT...TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER God....republic means that the laws have a permanent intrepretation...never change...you can count on it...never falling apart....no need for reform because corruption can be dealt with....stick change up your but, we dont need something new....what we need is to follow thew system correctly that we have...before 1950...not this crappy legal system...that keeps changing to supply a cash cow to corrupt polititions....