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    Who Said the War Would Pay for Itself?...

    By Victor Navasky & Christopher Cerf

    This article appeared in the March 31, 2008 edition of The Nation.com
    The following quotes were compiled by Christopher Cerf and Victor Navasky in their capacity as CEO and president of the Institute of Expertology, which has just issued a report on the experts who were wrong about Iraq--before, during and after the invasion--under the title Mission Accomplished! Or, How We Won the War in Iraq; The Experts Speak (Simon & Schuster). Here, the "experts" speak about the costs of war.
    "Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
    Richard Perle, chair
    The Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
    July 11, 2002



    "The likely economic effects [of a war in Iraq] would be relatively small.... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
    Lawrence Lindsey
    White House economic adviser
    September 16, 2002



    "It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
    Kenneth Pollack
    former director for Persian Gulf affairs
    National Security Council
    September 2002



    "The costs of any intervention would be very small."
    Glenn Hubbard
    White House economic adviser
    October 4, 2002



    "Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction."
    Ari Fleischer
    White House press secretary
    February 18, 2003



    "When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Secretary of Defense
    March 27, 2003



    "There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be US taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Deputy Secretary of Defense
    testifying before the defense subcommittee
    of the House Appropriations Committee
    March 27, 2003



    "The United States is very committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
    Mitchell Daniels, director
    White House Office of Management and Budget
    April 21, 2003



    "The allies [have contributed] $14 billion in direct aid."
    Dick Cheney
    vice presidential debate with
    Democratic candidate John Edwards
    October 5, 2004

    Actually, only $13 billion was pledged, and on the date Cheney spoke only $1 billion had arrived. As of October 28, 2007, the National Priorities Project estimated that the share of Iraq War costs that had been borne by American taxpayers exceeded $463 billion. --C.C.&V.N.
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    Either this is all LIES or they better have had a plan B.
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    The US is buying oil from Iraq at a discounted price,but I do not know who is benefiting frome this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasad PGen4 View Post
    Either this is all LIES or they better have had a plan B.
    Agreed... i am hoping there is a plan B...

    But on another note. Most of the talk of dollars being spent are in the context of rebuilding iraq. I think this is where they spoke of not using American dollars.

    So as usual the article is taking two seprate things and try to make it one in the same...

    At the end, the article tries links the total amount spent (456 billion) which was the cost of military and support operation to fight the war in iraq and what was said by government officials..... And the article flasly tries to tie the money spent to the quotes which clearly are in the context of Rebuilding.... not fighting the war...

    Another hit peace IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittsoli View Post
    Agreed... i am hoping there is a plan B...

    But on another note. Most of the talk of dollars being spent are in the context of rebuilding iraq. I think this is where they spoke of not using American dollars.

    So as usual the article is taking two seprate things and try to make it one in the same...

    At the end, the article tries links the total amount spent (456 billion) which was the cost of military and support operation to fight the war in iraq and what was said by government officials..... And the article flasly tries to tie the money spent to the quotes which clearly are in the context of Rebuilding.... not fighting the war...

    Another hit peace IMO
    IMHO I dont think the U.S saw the war going on this long when looking back at the Gulf war probably as a blue print.
    So they figured Oil would easily compensate to repay monies spent to remove Sadam.
    Im not sure if they ever considered dinar as the bailout. [JMHO]
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    Very shortsighted. Just look at Europe, it was totally destroyed and then rebuilt over many years after WW2. Was that a waste? Yes , all wars are a waste. But since wars do happen, destruction occurs, then the expensive rebuilding process. As long as the contributors to that process are reimbursed, with interest or other considerations, so what? - JMDO - JAG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasad PGen4 View Post
    IMHO I dont think the U.S saw the war going on this long when looking back at the Gulf war probably as a blue print.
    So they figured Oil would easily compensate to repay monies spent to remove Sadam.
    Im not sure if they ever considered dinar as the bailout. [JMHO]

    The way i am reading it. They did not anticipate the insurgency that following the toppling of saddam. I mean who could of. How would of thought al quida would pour into the country while they where supposed to be pinned down in Afganistan... Just look at the context of the quoted politicos. It's all in the context of rebuiling. The money we spent there was not rebuild but to win the war.... Now when the rebuilding happens iraq will use there own money. All 130 billion dollars worth...

    And as far as the agility of al quida and these terrorist groups. There size and type of organizational type give them the clear advantage in regards to mobility. And yes they took full advantage. But in the end most of them dead. So there advantage turned out to be there death sentence

    You see that is where our advantage comes into play. And yes we broke it off in there AZZ. And to top it off we have a stronger military that is war hardend for the future battles to come. The harder they fight us the better we get.... and this is a fact.... our advantage is to great when it comes to this regard

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    Default Dear Just a silly girl...

    Quote Originally Posted by JUSTAGIRL View Post
    Very shortsighted. Just look at Europe, it was totally destroyed and then rebuilt over many years after WW2. Was that a waste? Yes , all wars are a waste. But since wars do happen, destruction occurs, then the expensive rebuilding process. As long as the contributors to that process are reimbursed, with interest or other considerations, so what? - JMDO - JAG
    All wars are a waste??? Are you serious? Maybe you think it was OK that Hitler was starving and thowing 6 million innocent Jews into gas chambers - ovens - and shallow graves. Read some of our world's history - there dozens of examples.

    You are a simpleton and you are not smart enough to participate in society. Go smoke some more weed and sing kumbaya and believe that everyone in the world "WANTS" to just get along. Clue yourself into this fact. There are evil people in the world who just want to watch other people suffer and die.

    The jihadists want to kill peace loving liberals in American as much as they want to kill proud conservative Americans. You don't have to take my word for it - they have said exactly that!!!

    on you

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    Default Oh and uh by the way - Sadam killed hundreds of thousands (maybe over 1 million) of his own people

    people who disagreed with him. You are lucky to live in a country that doesn't lock your a$$ up in jail and torture and rape you for being stupid.

    Now back to our regular programming...

    Bring on the RV!!!

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    U.S. Govt. accountablility= 20 bill + missing?
    Iraq Govt. as recently shown=20 + bill. surplus.?

    The numbers are there, Where is the rest? lol

    3x's X= war paid for.

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    war will pay from iraqi arms purchases, imports, and oil discounts

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    Come on Plan B.



    Oh, please let there be a good secret Plan B....


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    G. Dubaya Bush said the WAR would pay for itself and payoff the country's deficit. Sorry no links for this no he said several years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamondback View Post
    G. Dubaya Bush said the WAR would pay for itself and payoff the country's deficit. Sorry no links for this no he said several years ago.
    I remember this also. Way too much being said by higher ups on the U.S. side about a positive event coming out of Iraq soon. Who knows what to make of this. I do find it hard to believe that Bush, especially Cheney, will walk away from office without something good happening economy wise from there. Can't rely on the new administration to get things done, let alone give them credit for what will eventually happen. Plus Iran is starting to stick their ugly head into matters. Just a week or so away to see what happens. If nothing, probably in March of 09'.

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    IMO the war was implemented as a plan to keep OIL based on the U.S. Dollar. When all transactions are converted to the Dollar and that money is returned to U.S. Currency then the OIL is basically free to the U.S. The Department of Defense is the largest OIL consumer in the world and the military cannot survive without the Petro-dollar. I am sure there is a little something in this for Bush and Cheney since they might have a few connections to OIL and its transactions.


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    I am begining to think we might be giveing our government too much credit. What if there was no plan, except the war on terrorism, and come what may financially. I hope I am wrong. I was in Kuwait and Iraq from early 2003 until 2005. I remember seeing a good bit of waste, fraud and abuse.

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