Frightening News That Every American Should Read

[DayDream Believer]

Just received this and felt it was something that needed to be shared. This is possibly the BEST insight I have read on the subject of the war on terrorism. The author has empeciable credentials and makes excellent and valid points. Please read and share your thoughts, its a little long so I have to put it in 2 posts, but well worth your time.

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Subject: FRIGHTENING NEWS THAT EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD READ BY MAJOR GENERAL (DR.)
VERNON CHONG


MAJOR GENERAL (DR.) VERNON CHONG


Retired Nov. 1, 1994.

Major General (Dr.) Vernon Chong is the command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany. He advises the commander in chief on all medical matters and health issues that may affect the readiness of military forces in the command. He is responsible for establishing policies for the employment of theater medical resources during crisis, contingency and humanitarian relief operations. Also, he coordinates and integrates medical support activities and develops theater
medical plans.

The general entered the Air Force in October 1963 following the completion of a residency in general surgery. He was certified by the American Board of Surgery in April 1964. He has commanded three Air Force medical centers, served as command surgeon of two major air commands, and was commander of the Joint Military Medical
Command, San Antonio. The general is a chief flight surgeon, and was a
surgeon/flight surgeon member of the DOD launch site recovery team for 15 space launches during the Apollo, Skylab and Apollo-Soyuz programs.

EDUCATION
1955 Bachelor of arts degree in basic medical sciences, Stanford University
1958 Doctor of medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine
1963 Board qualification in general surgery, General Hospital of Fresno County

ASSIGNMENTS
1 October 1963 - June 1965, staff general surgeon and chief of general surgery
service, USAF Hospital Scott, Scott Air Force Base, Ill.

2. June 1965 - June 1968, staff general surgeon, later director of intern and
resident education, USAF Hospital Tachikawa, Tachikawa Air Base, Japan

3. June 1968 - June 1970, staff general surgeon and instructor in general surgery
residency, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.

4. June 1970 - June 1974, staff general surgeon, chairman department of surgery, and
director of hospital services, USAF Academy Hospital, U.S. Air Force Academy,
Colorado Springs, Colo.

5. June 1974 - August 1976, staff general surgeon, director of hospital services,
and deputy commander, USAF Regional Hospital March, March Air Force Base, Calif.

6. September 1976 - October 1978, staff general surgeon, director of hospital
services, and deputy commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force
Base, Calif.

7. October 1978 - November 1981, commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis
Air Force Base, Calif.

8. November 1981 - March 1985, commander, Malcolm Grow USAF Medical Center, Andrews Air Force Base, Md.

9. March 1985 - February 1987, command surgeon, Headquarters Military Airlift
Command, Scott Air Force Base, Calif.

10. February 1987 - May 1990, commander, Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center, Lackland
Air Force Base, Texas

11. May 1990 - August 1991, command surgeon, Headquarters Air Training Command, and
commander, Joint Military Medical Command, Randolph Air Force Base, Texas

12. August 1991 - present, command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command,
Stuttgart, Germany

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Rating: Chief flight surgeon
Flight hours: More than 1,600
Aircraft flown: C-141, KC-135, C-130, T-29, C-5, T-39, C-21, C-12, C-9A, T-33, T-38,
H-53, H-3, UH-1

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS
Distinguished Service Medal
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Meritorious Service Medal
Air Force Commendation Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Vietnam Service Medal
Order of Merit-Brazil
Gold Cross of Honor-Germany

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS
Order of the Sword - bestowed by enlisted personnel of Air Training Command
Clinical professor of surgery, University of Texas Health Science Center-San Antonio

Ira C. Eaker fellow - Air Force Association, Aerospace Education Foundation
Board of Governors, American College of Surgeons
Board of Regents, National Library of Medicine
Board of Regents, adviser, Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
Board of Trustees, Air Force Village Foundation
Board of Directors, Alamo Chapter, American Red Cross, San Antonio

EFFECTIVE DATES OF PROMOTION
Captain Oct 14, 1963
Major Dec 15, 1966
Lieutenant Colonel Aug 8, 1968
Colonel Jun 15, 1973
Brigadier General Oct 1, 1982
Major General Apr 15, 1987

THE WAR

Please take the time to read the attached essay by Dr. Chong. It is without a
doubt the most articulate and convincing writing I have read regarding the War in
Iraq. If you have any doubts please open your mind to his essay and give a fair
evaluation.

I had no idea who Dr. Chong is or the source of these thoughts... so when I
received them, I almost deleted them - as well-written as they are. But then I did a
"Google search" on the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force Surgeon of all
things and past Commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio. So he is
real, is connected to Veterans affairs in California, and these are his thoughts.
They are worth reading and thinking about!(the same Google search will direct you to
some of his other thought-provoking writings.)

Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.

This WAR is for REAL! Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

Tuesday, July 12, 2005
To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country
is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United State
is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
attacks worldwide)

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush.

3. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

4. Who were the attackers?

In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

5. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

6. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests).
(see http://www.nazis.testimony .co.uk/7-a.htm <
http://www.nazis.testimony.couk/7-a.htm> )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.

cont....

[DayDream Believer]

The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronoun cements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

7. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims , how could anyone else?

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.

P.S.
Still too long...have to post Part 3

Cheers!
DayDream

[DayDream Believer]

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.

Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!

If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web sight and look him up. Air Force Link - Biographies Alphabetical alpha http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C

Cheers!
DayDream

[ksdunlap]

very good read and i agree with him 100%

[quickhaul]

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.

Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!

If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web sight and look him up. Air Force Link - Biographies Alphabetical alpha http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C

Cheers!
DayDream

This is exactly what Americans need to hear and understand. This " Can't We All Just Get Along Crap " is crazy when you have these fanatics that all they want is you dead and they will never feel any different ! We are in a situation, "Kill or Be Killed ". We better pray our leaders get some backbone and take a stand, the future of the American way of life is at stake here. I've got more years behind me than I do ahead of me but I've got kids and grandkids that I would like for them to have what I have had as an American !!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless the USA !

[Lonestar]

My point exactly is we ar eprosecuting our military for humiliating prisoners of war and they are over there beheading people. The rules of engagement need to be changed. pull all the media out of the protection of our troops and ship them to a safe place and let the military roll and do their job. I agree with my fellow Texans who took the time to read this. Thanks for the post and Ltt's roll.

[BugmanIraq]

A 5th column now has roots in America. Might be a good idea to learn a foreign language right about now. Several choices: Spanish, Arabic or Chinese.
Arab oil, American computer technology, South African diamonds and Chinese military cozying up with Latin America. Hope someone is paying attention.

[Howler]

This should be posted everywhere you can! A copy should be slipped under the office door of EVERY congressman. The general public needs a good wake up call! He mentions France, hopefully the fall of that country will finally wake people up. (not that I want to see France fall ) These maniacs cannot live in peace anywhere. All of the "hot spots" globally are Muslim populations pushing their beliefs. Where is the stand going to be made???????

[Ialdoboath]

I am the author of several books on religions, all of which are critical of them. I do not like religions in general, and do not like militant Islam in particular. However, I think you are making a huge mistake in saying that we are at war with "Muslim Extremists". We are not.
We are at war with Pan-Arabs. This is a phenomena that has been around for a century since the break up of the Ottoman Empire. The Wahabbis and Buht movements (which you I imagine consider the heart of the "militant Muslim extremism") is in fact a political movement, not a religious one. The Ba'th Party (famous in Iraq) were actually In Egypt during Nassar's reign blowing stuff up in an attempt to re-unify all the lands that used to be the Ottoman Empire. If you want to know your enemy, know this: Behind all the religious rhetoric the goal of these extremists is to reunify the middle east under one banner called Pan-Arabism. Islam is merely the religious face they are using to achieve this.

[baz]

SO WHATS NEW!!! this has been happening in the UK for the last 10 maybe 15 years, a very SLOW BUILD UP......to a very BIG TAKE OVER, and now look at the point we have got to, thousands wanting to kill us, government not taking any notice of the many thousands coming in to the UK daily, and the worse bit is the many known killers and terroists who have had to leave their homelands that are welcomed with open arms here, is it to much to ask "why did he get chucked out"??.

We here have a bigger problem then the world thinks, thanks to Teflon Tony who keeps telling the rest of you out their "okay guys we have it under control, we know where they all are", yeah so do I, blowing up our buses, trains and working out how to kill us by other means.

If you think its NOT "them and us", it has come to light that SIKH men can carry a religious knife on their person, blade is about 3 inches long, they can carry this in Airports while they are working on and in the aircraft, ITS FOR SELF DEFENCE, and my government has agreed this can go on, I cant carry a penknife on the roads in the UK, they have been almost banned, we have a crime wave of knife killings here. but change your religion and its okay to carry a knife, and its murder to carry a lipstick on a plane now, they dont have to wear a crash helmet when riding a motor bike, but I do,...do you see where I am going here?.

Every thing sucks about the way the UK has helped all the killers carry on doing their evil deeds here, and it will NEVER EVER stop because of the yellow livered rubbish we have controlling this country and still letting them in,due to the fact they will be put to death back home...I wonder why?.

Their is many other things that have changed this once great country of mine, but this new threat is by far the greatest thing that has ever happened to us here, and the most worst horrible thing is, that NO ONE SEE'S OR LISTENS or worse still CARES.

AND YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD A PROBLEM!.

[onenomad]

SO WHATS NEW!!! this has been happening in the UK for the last 10 maybe 15 years, a very SLOW BUILD UP......to a very BIG TAKE OVER, and now look at the point we have got to, thousands wanting to kill us, government not taking any notice of the many thousands coming in to the UK daily, and the worse bit is the many known killers and terroists who have had to leave their homelands that are welcomed with open arms here, is it to much to ask "why did he get chucked out"??.

We here have a bigger problem then the world thinks, thanks to Teflon Tony who keeps telling the rest of you out their "okay guys we have it under control, we know where they all are", yeah so do I, blowing up our buses, trains and working out how to kill us by other means.

If you think its NOT "them and us", it has come to light that SIKH men can carry a religious knife on their person, blade is about 3 inches long, they can carry this in Airports while they are working on and in the aircraft, ITS FOR SELF DEFENCE, and my government has agreed this can go on, I cant carry a penknife on the roads in the UK, they have been almost banned, we have a crime wave of knife killings here. but change your religion and its okay to carry a knife, and its murder to carry a lipstick on a plane now, they dont have to wear a crash helmet when riding a motor bike, but I do,...do you see where I am going here?.

Every thing sucks about the way the UK has helped all the killers carry on doing their evil deeds here, and it will NEVER EVER stop because of the yellow livered rubbish we have controlling this country and still letting them in,due to the fact they will be put to death back home...I wonder why?.

Their is many other things that have changed this once great country of mine, but this new threat is by far the greatest thing that has ever happened to us here, and the most worst horrible thing is, that NO ONE SEE'S OR LISTENS or worse still CARES.

AND YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD A PROBLEM!.

I agree Baz Thankfully im Canadian living over here (Married to a wonderful Brit woman)we have not long had a beautiful little girl and the way things are going in the UK we are now seriously talking about moving to Canada, Its a shame because the UK (im in the west country) is such a beautiful place but your right Mr Blaire is ruining it, I often wonder why when he supports America so strongly in Iraq and over the middle east in general that he doesnt get more of a grip of things going on in his own country he has the same correct views of Mr Bush yet at home he is crap, crazy world

[baz]

Hi Onenomad, at the moment you live in the best part of the UK my family come from the west country, but I am afraid it will come, has to, everywhere else has, if you have been here for a few years you know how Blair has messed up big time, broken promise after broken promise, I dont think anyone knows the real reasons he supports Bush and the middle east...it has to be the oil again...or perhaps in the sick little mind he has, he thinks that playing at war games is good...try telling that to familys who have lost loved ones.

Their are mixed reasons why we went after Saddam all of which mean nothing now because of the state it is in, but the biggest thing about this is we could not afford to go to over their and fight any war....we have neither the money or the means....and if we did have this kind of spare cash it should have been spent here in the UK, but then blair wouldnt look half as good to Bush if he had said no. Parading down the isle of the White House side by side with Bush didnt he look good. yuck!

Some things that he has let happen like all the eastern block people coming in, anybody with half a brain could see why he wants this, it undermines the wages of our workers, things get done a lot cheaper, "you take the job or the Pole will", its a kind of control freak thing for him, but he cant work out the long term effects it will have.

We let in known terrorists..because we cant have them go back and let their own country kill them, and this you have to make sense of.

You may remember a few years back we had a plane hijacked by Afganistans, landed at Stansted our hijack centre, well everyone of them has had the right to stay in the UK....one of them works for FED-EX at another airport here, again lets try to make sense of this,

It has been said on here they want to "kill us" no more-no less, except that allso they want to run the world with their 7th century laws....and the way its going they WILL for sure.

[Cressey30]

Hi Baz & Onenomad, How right you are! I originate from the West Country & would've liked to retire back down there in the next few years. Unfortunately I have decided that once my dinars eventually RV, I'm off to pastures new & it won't be in the UK. I hope that the RV will not be too long in sorting itself out, as I want to be gone before Brown takes over from Blair & completely ***** up what used to be a brilliant country to live in. It looks like I shall be host to quite a few friends & relatives once I have moved as well because nearly everyone I know has the same sentiment about our politicians.
Let's hope for a decent moderate RV, around 0.35USD+/-, even if its not a high one.

[peakoil]

Hi Onenomad, at the moment you live in the best part of the UK my family come from the west country, but I am afraid it will come, has to, everywhere else has, if you have been here for a few years you know how Blair has messed up big time, broken promise after broken promise, I dont think anyone knows the real reasons he supports Bush and the middle east...it has to be the oil again...or perhaps in the sick little mind he has, he thinks that playing at war games is good...try telling that to familys who have lost loved ones.

Their are mixed reasons why we went after Saddam all of which mean nothing now because of the state it is in, but the biggest thing about this is we could not afford to go to over their and fight any war....we have neither the money or the means....and if we did have this kind of spare cash it should have been spent here in the UK, but then blair wouldnt look half as good to Bush if he had said no. Parading down the isle of the White House side by side with Bush didnt he look good. yuck!

Some things that he has let happen like all the eastern block people coming in, anybody with half a brain could see why he wants this, it undermines the wages of our workers, things get done a lot cheaper, "you take the job or the Pole will", its a kind of control freak thing for him, but he cant work out the long term effects it will have.

We let in known terrorists..because we cant have them go back and let their own country kill them, and this you have to make sense of.

You may remember a few years back we had a plane hijacked by Afganistans, landed at Stansted our hijack centre, well everyone of them has had the right to stay in the UK....one of them works for FED-EX at another airport here, again lets try to make sense of this,

It has been said on here they want to "kill us" no more-no less, except that allso they want to run the world with their 7th century laws....and the way its going they WILL for sure.

Bush and Blair have made sense. The terrorists want to kill the people of the free world. It makes total sense to me and there has been plenty of proof of it. I thank GOD for those brave soles that give their lives defending this TRUTH (no conspiracies here) and do not/will not dishonor them by projecting a minute of otherwise.
There cause is good and just.
Thank God for our leaders.
peakoil

[Fat Albert]

A good thread. Civil rights will loose us this war, combined with the media and public opinion. Oh yes and one other thing. I’m in Iraq at the moment. Overwhelmingly overstretched and the new redundancies come out next month for the armed forces. Thanks Mr Blair! Ive got to get some sleep now and wonder what the future holds for my children.

[DayDream Believer]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...iraq_cheney_dc

Tue Aug 29, 12:52 AM ET

Cheney's remarks certainly reflect exactly what Dr. Chong is saying. It's a shame that the media will spin this all into just 'Republican rhetoric because they are down in the polls'. I don't know about everyone else, but this email from Dr. Chong has really troubled me. In my own small city, I have seen the Muslim community moving in, recruiting a lot of our black community to join their ranks, mosques popping up everywhere. Whats one person like myself to do? Do I sit back and wait for someone else to solve the problem? Do we continue to allow the media to manipulate the hearts and minds of America? As of this post....722 have viewed it and only 13 responses, So am I making much ado about nothing? Any other views or suggestions out there guys? Or, do I just let this post die...sorta like out of sight, out of mind? Let the chips fall where they may? Hmmmm?

SADLY,
DayDream

[baz]

Bush and Blair have made sense. The terrorists want to kill the people of the free world. It makes total sense to me and there has been plenty of proof of it. I thank GOD for those brave soles that give their lives defending this TRUTH (no conspiracies here) and do not/will not dishonor them by projecting a minute of otherwise.
There cause is good and just.
Thank God for our leaders.
peakoil

The terrorists do want to kill the people of the free world as you so rightly say, and I make NO comment on the workings of Bush because he is your President, but sorry Blair is a totall and fully paid up member of the idiots club, he is the worse danger this country has ever seen, worse then any terrorist and I dont say this lightly.

I would never dishonor any member of the armed forces ours or yours, my whole family is millitary, but dont you think these people are wondering why they are their, fighting a force that wears no uniform,for a cause they dont really understand, only to be charged for a criminall offence if they mistakenly shoot out in defence, just to please some mindless idiot like blair.

I will say thank you to every member of the armed forces yours and ours for the way when the time comes you put your life on the line, I will cry when any one of them gets killed or injured.

I will NOT say thank you blair for the mess you have helped to put the world in and the lies you keep telling us here in the UK.

I can say these words because my fathers made my country free...not some person in a suit, safe in an office, miles from reality.

[BBbucks]

I was looking for some history on Iran and stumbled upon this info about the "Oil Nationalization and 1953 Coup" (read paragraph with this title) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi. It shows how the US and Britain have been working together in regards to the Middle East as far back as the 1950's.
An interesting read.

ps- I agree 100% that war has been waged against the US as far back as the 1979 hostage crisis. But now I am wondering if that was Iran's response to what happened in 1953?

I totally believe that this has nothing to with religion, and that they are just using religion to recruit more terrorists to kill "in the name of allah".

[red42]

...unrelated to the topic

[BBbucks]

...unrelated to the topic

Not sure if you are talking to me or not…
but for as long as people are speculating that the Iraqi insurgents are really backed by other countries such as Iran. Then yes, my post would be on topic.