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    After the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq was divided in two: the south ruled by Saddam Hussein, the north governed by the local Kurds. Saddam needed money to finance government spending, and in the time-honoured tradition of dictators, created it himself. The Government could not import more of the bank notes then in use, because of U.N. sanctions, so Saddam ordered the local printing of a new currency. In May 1993, the Central Bank of Iraq announced that citizens had three weeks to exchange their old 25-dinar notes for the new "Saddam dinars", which bore his portrait.

    During the next few years, so many Saddam dinars were printed in southern Iraq that they became virtually worthless. The face value of cash in circulation rose from 22 billion dinars in 1991 to 584 billion in four years, and inflation averaged about 250 per cent a year.

    Those who lived in northern Iraq could not exchange their notes, and the old 25-dinar notes continued to circulate. These notes became known as the "Swiss dinars" because they were printed using plates manufactured in Switzerland. The fact that the Swiss dinars continued to be used at all speaks of the power of social conventions. The Kurds in the north despised the Baghdad Government, and would have much preferred to have their own currency.

    The Swiss dinar was in fixed supply, while the Saddam dinar was flying off the printing presses, so it is not surprising that the Swiss dinar quickly became more valuable. By spring 2003, it took 300 Saddam dinars to buy one Swiss dinar.

    The more interesting economic effect was the behaviour of the Swiss dinar against the dollar. In the fall of 2002, as it became more and more likely that the U.S. would invade, the Swiss dinar became more and more valuable.

    This appreciation was driven by expectations. If the Kurds had expected that they would once again fall under Saddam's sway, the Swiss dinar would have quickly become worthless. As this became less likely, and the belief that future governments would accept the Swiss dinar became more widespread, the local currency became more valuable. Of course, every exchange rate movement can be interpreted in two ways: in the north, the Kurdish regional Government initially interpreted the rise in the Swiss dinar against the dollar as a fall in the value of the dollar.

    The Government soon realised, however, that since the dollar was stable against other currencies, the correct explanation was that recounted above: the increasing belief that the Swiss dinars would, in fact, be honoured by future governments.

    The Government was right. On July 7, 2003, the U.S. occupation administrator, L. Paul Bremer, announced the creation of a new Iraqi dinar that would be exchanged for the two existing currencies at a rate that implied that one Swiss dinar would be worth 150 Saddam dinars.

    Interestingly, the currency markets valued the Swiss dinars somewhat higher than the official 150 exchange rate, primarily because many counterfeit 10,000-dinar Saddam notes were in circulation.

    This story illustrates that paper currency can take on a life of its own, even in the absence of government backing. At the same time, it is clear that government backing makes a significant contribution to the value of paper currency: The more likely it became that the Swiss dinars would be valued by a subsequent government, the more valuable they became.

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    Arrow Thanks Jerry!!

    Nice post!! I never dreamed I would know as much as I do about one piece of history and currency!! And it is all because of great minds found on this board.

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    I'll second that, Gwen!

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    Thumbs up Great synopsis

    Well put!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    This story illustrates that paper currency can take on a life of its own, even in the absence of government backing. At the same time, it is clear that government backing makes a significant contribution to the value of paper currency: The more likely it became that the Swiss dinars would be valued by a subsequent government, the more valuable they became.

    We're doing the right thing.

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    Jerry...thanks for the background on the swiss dinar...kinda makes me want to move my Warka account to Kurdistan.
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    Wow,great read. I'm impressed,very interesting. I thought only came out on Halloween.
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    Jerry, BTW....Welcome back from your vacation! Hope you return and continue with your posting. When I was on here before, I read everything you put out and really enjoyed it!
    There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves........... Will Rogers

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    Very informative, appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie View Post
    Jerry, BTW....Welcome back from your vacation! Hope you return and continue with your posting. When I was on here before, I read everything you put out and really enjoyed it!
    I don't think its Jerry, someone just pulled up an old post to make a point, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly6841 View Post
    I don't think its Jerry, someone just pulled up an old post to make a point, I think.
    Yes, Cowpoke brought the thread back as it has very interesting information. Thanks Cowpoke for bringing this back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAD View Post
    Yes, Cowpoke brought the thread back as it has very interesting information. Thanks Cowpoke for bringing this back...
    saw the thread and the first few posts and smiled then realized that it was an old post .....oh how i miss the good old days and the posters that went with it

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    As a newbie, I must say that the research and DD done on this forum leaves all other forums completely lacking!!! Great stuff Jerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H2OLover View Post
    saw the thread and the first few posts and smiled then realized that it was an old post .....oh how i miss the good old days and the posters that went with it

    ditto.......me too!

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    Default Jerry Update.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Okie View Post
    Jerry, BTW....Welcome back from your vacation! Hope you return and continue with your posting. When I was on here before, I read everything you put out and really enjoyed it!
    Just thought I would let everyone know.....Jerry is no longer in Kuwait. He has taken a new job with another company and is now in Iraq. Needless to say....his new job and job duties no longer allow him the luxury of doing the tremendous amount of research and posting he used to do.

    For all our new members.....I would highly recommend you click onto Jerry's profile and find all his posts. You will find a wealth of information that is full of history and relative information about Iraq and their currency. He also was great at putting the early day.....smoke blowers.....in their place.

    You are so right.....H20........oh the good ole days!!!:o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Gwennie View Post
    Just thought I would let everyone know.....Jerry is no longer in Kuwait. He has taken a new job with another company and is now in Iraq. Needless to say....his new job and job duties no longer allow him the luxury of doing the tremendous amount of research and posting he used to do.

    For all our new members.....I would highly recommend you click onto Jerry's profile and find all his posts. You will find a wealth of information that is full of history and relative information about Iraq and their currency. He also was great at putting the early day.....smoke blowers.....in their place.

    You are so right.....H20........oh the good ole days!!!:o

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    Thanks for the update A/G...;)

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    What a bummer! I clicked on this post because I thought Jerry was back! LOL

    Oh well, good read....again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Gwennie View Post
    Just thought I would let everyone know.....Jerry is no longer in Kuwait. He has taken a new job with another company and is now in Iraq. Needless to say....his new job and job duties no longer allow him the luxury of doing the tremendous amount of research and posting he used to do.

    For all our new members.....I would highly recommend you click onto Jerry's profile and find all his posts. You will find a wealth of information that is full of history and relative information about Iraq and their currency. He also was great at putting the early day.....smoke blowers.....in their place.

    You are so right.....H20........oh the good ole days!!!:o

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    I appreciate the update...

    In a senate hearing, Nelson Rockefeller was questioned. "Mr. Rockefeller, how much money did you make last year? Oh, 650 million or thereabouts. How much tax did you pay on that? Oh, I don't pay any taxes. How is that possible Mr. Rockefeller? His answer? I don't own any of it." Access without Ownership & Equity without Liability, legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Gwennie View Post
    Just thought I would let everyone know.....Jerry is no longer in Kuwait. He has taken a new job with another company and is now in Iraq. Needless to say....his new job and job duties no longer allow him the luxury of doing the tremendous amount of research and posting he used to do.

    For all our new members.....I would highly recommend you click onto Jerry's profile and find all his posts. You will find a wealth of information that is full of history and relative information about Iraq and their currency. He also was great at putting the early day.....smoke blowers.....in their place.

    You are so right.....H20........oh the good ole days!!!:o

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    Hey you ...... i am so glad your still here !!
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    be sure and tell Jerry to stay safe and we miss his ugly mug on here ..thanks for the update

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpoke View Post
    Now with the HCL, ICI, FIL, ECT... And all the backing of the foreign Governments with Debt forgiveness, we are all most there people.
    so did Jerry ever predict any possibilities for the reval? does anyone remember?

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