Halliburton wages

[Silver Spoon]

I was just informed by my Husband that the Stars and Stripes ran a story about a lawsuit involving Halliburton, KBR and SEII. So I went to the site of Lopez-Hodes and this is what I found......read and follow up here.

http://www.lopezhodes.com/wstv/halliburton.php

[BugmanIraq]

Ambulance chasers!

[firedawg2000]

That law firm will have to get in line with all the others. There are several going after Halliburton/KBR.

[stargazer1968]

And we wonder why all of U.S. corporations shut down shop in the U.S. and take their business elsewhere where people are just happy to have a job.

[zbamboo]

I work for KBR. I spent a year in Iraq and am now in GTMO. I met several people who were so happy to get hired but as soon as they arrived, they complained about not getting paid overtime. They signed an employment agreement which clearly stated the terms of remuneration. They didn't have to accept the job. Now they want to change the terms. The lawyers didn't do this.

[Goalie Interference]

Originally Posted by firedawg2000

That law firm will have to get in line with all the others. There are several going after Halliburton/KBR.

And if you watch their progress, you will witness virtually every one of them fail miserably. They're nothing more than a bunch of squirrels scrambling for nuts.

[JeezIDunno]

Please delete this... I got an error message the first time I tried to submit, and didn't realize my post went through twice. Thanks :o)

[JeezIDunno]

Originally Posted by stargazer1968

And we wonder why all of U.S. corporations shut down shop in the U.S. and take their business elsewhere where people are just happy to have a job.

I AM happy to have a job. However I've been told that according to Halliburton's contract with the Army, we are supposed to get paid uplift on EVERY hour we work, not just the first 40 hours a week. I don't know if this is true or not, and no, I don't have any way to prove it. I do know however that if it turns out to be true, I'll be damned if I don't attempt to get the money I am legally and rightfully entitled to.

Like I said, I am very happy that I am over here making the money that I am making. Of course I wouldn't make this kind of money in the States... but IF what I've been told is true, then why should Halliburton be allowed to screw around with its employees the way it is? Why is everyone so quick to make the "ambulance chasers" and "we're just never satisfied" type of comments?

Believe me, I've had many opportunities in my time to try and sue someone or some company and probably could've won... but these were petty little things that I didn't care enough to follow up on. Halliburton however, is a HUGE corporation who is KNOWN to screw around with finances. Regardless of what my contract says, if this rumor is true I am entitled to every penny. And IF it is true, then my contract is bogus anyway because it is incorrect... whether I signed it or not.

I'll say one more time: I AM VERY HAPPY AND GRATEFUL to have this job, but I WILL be unhappy if I find out I am being taken advantage of. And I WILL do what I can to try and fix it.

Tina

[icarusII]

Here is an excerpt from the Congressional Testimony from the SIGIR.
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html
Attestation Engagement Report concerning the Award of
Non-competitive Contract DACA63-03-D-0005 to Kellogg, Brown
and Root Services, Inc.
SIGIR 05-019, September 30, 2005
The Director of the Defense Reconstruction Support Office-Iraq (DRSO) asked
SIGIR to provide an attestation on a non-competitively awarded contract that
Kellogg, Brown and Root obtained before the 2003 Iraq war. SIGIR performed
the attestation based on agreed-upon procedures of both DRSO and the UN
International Advisory and Monitoring Board. The purpose of the attestation
was to determine whether the non-competitive award of the contract was
appropriately justified and whether the goods and services delivered and billed
for were those required under the contract.

Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction
October 30, 2005
Report to Congress

SIGIR concluded that the use of the non-competitive contract was appropriately justified and that the goods and services delivered and billed for were those required under the contract. SIGIR’s review of the contract files revealed that:
1. The non-competitive award of contract number DACA63-03-D-0005 to Brown and Root Services, a division of Kellogg, Brown and Root was properly justified.
2. The contract was a cost-plus award-fee (CPAF) indefinite-delivery,
indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract. The final determination of fair and
reasonable price was not made until the Defense Contract Audit Agency
(DCAA) conducted the final incurred cost audit.
3. The only individual authorized by U. S. Code, Title 41, Section 253, to
approve non-competitive contracting actions in excess of $50 million
is the Assistant Secretary of the Army (Acquisition, Logistics and
Technology). The Assistant Secretary of the Army (Acquisition, Logistics
and Technology) signed the Justification and Approval for the contract.
4. The goods and services received and paid for with DFI funds under the
contract were the goods and services required by in the contract.
5. The total amount of DFI fund disbursements under the contract did not
exceed the total amount obligated for the contract.
Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations.

[Javabear]

I know there is a lot of controversey about the uplift we get. Is there anyway to actually read through the contract and see what it says? I know when I worked for a Navy contractor, the contract was on the internet if you knew where to look.

Rumor had it a few months ago that the KBR truck drivers sued over the uplift and won, but KBR was appealing the ruling. I haven't heard any more than that in a few months.

[myranchretirement]

Originally Posted by JeezIDunno

I AM happy to have a job. However I've been told that according to Halliburton's contract with the Army, we are supposed to get paid uplift on EVERY hour we work, not just the first 40 hours a week. I don't know if this is true or not, and no, I don't have any way to prove it. I do know however that if it turns out to be true, I'll be damned if I don't attempt to get the money I am legally and rightfully entitled to.

Like I said, I am very happy that I am over here making the money that I am making. Of course I wouldn't make this kind of money in the States... but IF what I've been told is true, then why should Halliburton be allowed to screw around with its employees the way it is? Why is everyone so quick to make the "ambulance chasers" and "we're just never satisfied" type of comments?

Believe me, I've had many opportunities in my time to try and sue someone or some company and probably could've won... but these were petty little things that I didn't care enough to follow up on. Halliburton however, is a HUGE corporation who is KNOWN to screw around with finances. Regardless of what my contract says, if this rumor is true I am entitled to every penny. And IF it is true, then my contract is bogus anyway because it is incorrect... whether I signed it or not.

I'll say one more time: I AM VERY HAPPY AND GRATEFUL to have this job, but I WILL be unhappy if I find out I am being taken advantage of. And I WILL do what I can to try and fix it.

Tina

Uh Yeah. I work for KBR as well. Apparently no one read the part in the contract where it states that the uplift is based on 40 hours. They also can terminate you at anytime without cause and it states it in there. Before you leave Houston You sign that contract agreeing to its terms. If you didn't read it then thats on you and don't tell me you did because you would have known what you were getting yourself into as far as the uplift if you had and by your signature, you agreed to it.

[myranchretirement]

Originally Posted by Javabear

I know there is a lot of controversey about the uplift we get. Is there anyway to actually read through the contract and see what it says? I know when I worked for a Navy contractor, the contract was on the internet if you knew where to look.

Rumor had it a few months ago that the KBR truck drivers sued over the uplift and won, but KBR was appealing the ruling. I haven't heard any more than that in a few months.

That rumor was total bunk. Just that a rumor.

[firedawg2000]

Originally Posted by myranchretirement

Uh Yeah. I work for KBR as well. Apparently no one read the part in the contract where it states that the uplift is based on 40 hours. They also can terminate you at anytime without cause and it states it in there. Before you leave Houston You sign that contract agreeing to its terms. If you didn't read it then thats on you and don't tell me you did because you would have known what you were getting yourself into as far as the uplift if you had and by your signature, you agreed to it.

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

[JeezIDunno]

Originally Posted by firedawg2000

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for saving me the time :D

[icarusII]

Originally Posted by firedawg2000

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

FireDawg2000.......the overseas contract KBR is working within is a "contingency ops" military contract. These have exclusions from the FLSA.
As you are aware, there are MANY "watchdog" auditing agencies reviewing compliance to the specs of this contract. Special congressional reports are filed quarterly by the Special Inspector General on Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR). After a comprehensive review of the KBR contract....."Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations"
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html

Icarus

[firedawg2000]

Originally Posted by icarusII

FireDawg2000.......the overseas contract KBR is working within is a "contingency ops" military contract. These have exclusions from the FLSA.
As you are aware, there are MANY "watchdog" auditing agencies reviewing compliance to the specs of this contract. Special congressional reports are filed quarterly by the Special Inspector General on Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR). After a comprehensive review of the KBR contract....."Because SIGIR did not identify any adverse findings, this report did not contain any recommendations"
http://www.sigir.mil/reports_congress.html

Icarus

I cant seem to pull up that website. It keeps timing out. I'm wondering who SIGIR is affiliated with and who assigned them to do the audit. I know these contracts are constantly audited, but I'm pretty sure it's geared more towards how they're spending on materials, equipment, DFACS, subcontracts,etc. If you can send me an excerpt out of their audits that specifies wages if you could.

You don't need to worry about all this considering the big dollars you make. This concerns us little guys. You just go out the back of your villa to the swimming pool and soak your feet while the rest of us sweat this out.

[icarusII]

Originally Posted by firedawg2000

I cant seem to pull up that website. It keeps timing out. I'm wondering who SIGIR is affiliated with and who assigned them to do the audit. I know these contracts are constantly audited, but I'm pretty sure it's geared more towards how they're spending on materials, equipment, DFACS, subcontracts,etc. If you can send me an excerpt out of their audits that specifies wages if you could.

You don't need to worry about all this considering the big dollars you make. This concerns us little guys. You just go out the back of your villa to the swimming pool and soak your feet while the rest of us sweat this out.

:lmao:
SIGIR is a special task force set up by the government to oversee all US money spent in Iraq. DCMA/DCAA are the field groups for this task force. They specifically looked at the KBR contract with a FINE toothed comb. The wage/salary structure was particularly scrutinized due to its percentage of the overall contract dollars. No significant findings were found.....other than the specific request for my pay raise was considered too much!

Swimming pools and movie stars.......it's all good in Kuwait. Happy Eid!

Later,
Icarus

[paynes1]

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/home.html


Please dont stone me because I know some of you work there.

[icarusII]

Originally Posted by paynes1

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/home.html


Please dont stone me because I know some of you work there.

LOL.........no stones at all. Interesting site......just a little tainted reporting that's all.

Icarus

[Javabear]

Originally Posted by firedawg2000

But the contract might be illegal. That's the arguement. Yes, KBR doesn't pay time and a half after 40 hours and uplift is on the first 40 only. That is in the contract and I did sign it. That doesn't mean that KBR is right for paying people according to those terms. They might have unlawfully drawn up those terms.

If I draw up a contract for you to kill my boss and you sign it does that mean you're exempt from the law in regards to murder and I can't be held accountable as well? The arguement is does these overseas contracts fall under American labor laws being that KBR is an American company and these projects are funded by AMERICAN TAX PAYER DOLLARS? Let's not forget that. We don't owe KBR any kind of loyalty just because they hired us. This isn't their money that they're paying us with, it's OUR money. Our tax dollars. We all have the right to question the company about our wages.

Just because 2 people agree to something, doesn't make it legal. It actually makes it a conspiracy.